US Blacklists More Chinese Tech Companies Over National Security Concerns (nytimes.com) 82
The Trump administration added five Chinese entities to a United States blacklist on Friday, further restricting China's access to American technology and stoking already high tensions as President Trump and President Xi Jinping of China prepare to meet in Japan next week. From a report: The Commerce Department announced that it would add four Chinese companies and one Chinese institute to an "entity list," saying they posed risks to American national security or foreign policy interests [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source]. The move essentially bars the entities, which include one of China's leading supercomputer makers, Sugon, and a number of its subsidiaries set up to design microchips, from buying American technology and components without a waiver from the United States government.
The move could all but cripple these Chinese businesses, which rely on American chips and other technology to manufacture advanced electronics. Those added to the entity list also include Higon, Chengdu Haiguang Integrated Circuit, Chengdu Haiguang Microelectronics Technology, and Wuxi Jiangnan Institute of Computing Technology, which lead China's development of high performance computing, some of which is used in military applications like simulating nuclear explosions, the Commerce Department said. Each of the aforementioned companies does businesses under a variety of other names.
The move could all but cripple these Chinese businesses, which rely on American chips and other technology to manufacture advanced electronics. Those added to the entity list also include Higon, Chengdu Haiguang Integrated Circuit, Chengdu Haiguang Microelectronics Technology, and Wuxi Jiangnan Institute of Computing Technology, which lead China's development of high performance computing, some of which is used in military applications like simulating nuclear explosions, the Commerce Department said. Each of the aforementioned companies does businesses under a variety of other names.
Yep. (Score:1, Troll)
The biggest "national concern": lack of ability to compete.
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It's insane because it's NOT A NEW THING. (Score:3, Insightful)
This has been going on since the cold war ended. Xi ramped it up a bit, but the real people responsible are the politicians who let this happen and LET all this tech be outsourced IN THE FIRST PLACE!
The responsibility for this doesn't lie with China, who is acting on what is smart for their own country. The responsibility lies with the traitors in US business and US government who enacted these obvious deleterious to national security and domestic economy policies which allows China to become the predominan
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We don't have a good relationship.
Chicken or egg? You certainly don't have a good relationship now.
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Re:Yep. And now AMD cant get Paid... (Score:1)
Chengdu Haiguang Microelectronics Technology [Majority (51%) owned by AMD, 49% owned by THATIC]. Chengdu Haiguang Microelectronics Technology has a License to produce AMD Zen2 CPU chips and pays AMD for each chip they make. This blacklist just means that they will continue to produce the chips but they cannot pay AMD it's royalties because AMD is banned from doing "Business" with them.
China can determine the next Presidential Election by repeating the words of the European Union President.
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kind of a joke (Score:2)
It was 1 thing to say that we can not use parts from Huawei based on their spying on coms (that is a real concern and was smart). BUT, to deny the sale of CHIPS to these other companies is silly. They can get them anyway they want.
If the concern is for stolen trade secrets, well, companies should have the right to not hire Chinese or others that they think pose a security risk.
It us
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It always helps when politicians do things to make their voters happy even when it does not actually work towards their interests or can be escaped due to loopholes.
Voters do not care what actually happens so long as they can maintain a certain posture.
Like democrats that feel sorry for all of these refugees, but not sorry enough to go and put a stop to the atrocities they are running from. They need those atrocities to keep happening to drive everyone able to flee here so they can use it for political fue
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Or did you want to link to something that implicated any Democrats in the current situation in Venezuela somehow
Refugees and asylum seekers in the US are mostly coming from El Salvador, not Venezuela.
The biggest "fix" for El Salvador would be drug legalization, which is supported more by Democrats than Republicans.
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We don't care if China is murdering people... we just care if we are going to get cheap toys from China and if Uncle Sam is going to get a little something something for their trouble.
China is its own country and its own responsibility. Generally, we don't give two shits what China does in its own country because it's a sovereign nation. The only time when it becomes a concern is if the United Nations feels China is doing something so bad that it warrants a coalition to stop it from doing so. China is a stupid fucking totalitarian police state. The only way to fix that is to basically go in and overthrow their government but that will lead to World War 3.
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No only can they quietly avoid the ban directly to China they can use a huge network of friendly Chinese contacts around the globe to avoid it through other countries, while they prepare to completely eliminate the need for all American components.
When China dominates the semiconductor industry what will America export?
Bye bye American empire. You won't be missed.
Short term pain for long term gain (Score:1)
Blocking Chinese access to any particular technology just gives them an incentive to pour massive resources into developing their own versions. They’ve learned that US companies are not reliable suppliers. Same as many former allies have learned that being an ally of the US is a double edged sword.
Cuts in sales to China by US companies means less money for US companies to invest in developing advanced products. Don’t be surprised if by 2030 China will be the sole supplier of the worlds best, m
Re: Short term pain for long term gain (Score:1)
At least give them the short term pain. China will catch up eventually, but stalling them for another 5-10 years is not a bad idea.
Re: Short term pain for long term gain (Score:1)
dont worry about the chinese, they already have better and cheaper MCUs and networrking equipment, their arm processors are heavily subsidized by the government.
You're not slowing them down, you're giving them incentives.
It's kinda sad to see the great America keep shooting themselves in their feet....
The Chinese should thank the US (Score:3, Insightful)
The Chinese hi-tech companies should thank the US for clearing out American products from the biggest market [datenna.com], so they can eventually enter the lucrative cycles of being able to sell primitive products and re-invest the proceeds to create more advanced products, without having to compete with the most advanced American products upfront, and in a few short year they will produce more advanced ones.
Oh, don't the US know that Chinese supercomputers already cleared out of American chips [wikipedia.org] and achieve top performance long time ago?
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Oh, don't the US know that Chinese supercomputers already cleared out of American chips [wikipedia.org] and achieve top performance long time ago?
If world economic and military domination depended on LINPACK, the US would be toast. Unfortunately for China, being on top of the Top 500 list is mainly for bragging rights and respect among those that don't actually run real applications.
Revoke Most Favored Nation (Score:2, Interesting)
Bill Clinton illegally bestowed Most Favored Nation trading status on China without the consent of Congress (which never sued over it because it kinda wanted it that way too), which is what allowed US Military technology to be transferred to China in the first place.
Just revoke that status.
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MFN removes many of the barriers that stand in the way of the export of arms to a trading partner. For example, one of the requirements for getting MFN is that a nation "must not present a threat to the national security of the United States."
Clearly China presents such a threat and thus does not qualify for MFN. A nation with MFN need not go through many of the national security checks associated with the export of arms technology.
You are uninformed. Try getting a job in the US Dept of State first.
LEARN TO READ REPUBLICAN LIAR. MFN = ECONOMIC (Score:1)
In international economic relations and international politics, "most favoured nation" (MFN) is a status or level of treatment accorded by one state to another in international trade. The term means the country which is the recipient of this treatment must nominally receive equal trade advantages as the "most favoured nation" by the country granting such treatment. (Trade advantages include low tariffs or high import quotas.) In effect, a country that has been accorded MFN status may not be treated less adv
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I meant this within the context of our military.
These are valid choices (Score:2)
Look, I know you think tech should be free, but ...
Damn communists! :P (Score:2)