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Cement Produces More Pollution Than All the Trucks in the World (bloomberg.com) 250

An anonymous reader shares a report: The most astonishing thing about cement is how much air pollution it produces. Manufacturing the stone-like building material is responsible for 7% of global carbon dioxide emissions, more than what comes from all the trucks in the world. And with that in mind, it's surprising that leading cement makers from LafargeHolcim in Switzerland to Votorantim Cimentos in Brazil are finding customers slow to embrace a greener alternative. Their story highlights the difficulties of taking greenhouse gases out of buildings, roads and bridges. After wresting deep cuts from the energy industry, policymakers looking to extend the fight against global warming are increasingly focusing on construction materials and practices as a place to make further reductions. The companies are working on solutions, but buyers are reluctant to pay more.

While architects and developers concentrate on the energy used by their buildings, it's actually the materials supporting the structure that embody the biggest share of its lifetime carbon footprint. Cement's contribution to emissions is especially immense because of the chemical process required to make it. About two-thirds of the polluting gases that come from cement production stem from burning limestone. Kilns are heated to more than 1,400 degrees Celsius (2,600 Fahrenheit), about four times hotter than a home oven set to the self-clean cycle. Inside the kiln, carbon trapped in the limestone combines with oxygen and is released as CO2, the most abundant greenhouse gas.

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Cement Produces More Pollution Than All the Trucks in the World

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  • Hmm... (Score:5, Funny)

    by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @01:50PM (#58822610)

    Cement Produces More Pollution Than All the Trucks in the World

    Does this include all the Cement Trucks?

  • Wrong link? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by anarcobra ( 1551067 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @01:51PM (#58822616)
    What do tariffs have to do with CO2 from cement?
    Also, any numbers to back up this claim that a buildings cement releases more CO2 than the entire lifetime of heating, cooling, and lighting it?
    • I would guess they must be talking about very efficient buildings relying on very clean fuel sources because the numbers definitely don't work for my area.

      In 2017 my state generated about 2,631.3 kilowatts per metric ton of CO2 released. Using numbers from the same organization for 2009 the average US home was using about 5,433.6 kilowatts for heating and cooling throughout the year. So the average US home would be responsible for 2.28 tons of CO2 if using electricity from my state for heating and cooling e

      • Is it possible to make cement using cleaner forms of energy?
        Because if were going to assume the best case for powering the house, we should assume the best case for producing the cement.
        That said, it's still surprising to me how much CO2 is released.
        • by tomhath ( 637240 )

          Is it possible to make cement using cleaner forms of energy?

          Is it possible to understand the summary? It's not the energy used to heat the limestone, it's the limestone itself. I suppose they could capture the carbon at the source instead of just burning it off.

          About two-thirds of the polluting gases that come from cement production stem from burning limestone...carbon trapped in the limestone combines with oxygen and is released as CO2

  • Good Job, Editors! (Score:5, Informative)

    by Smidge204 ( 605297 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @01:54PM (#58822640) Journal

    This is probably the link you were looking for;

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news... [bloomberg.com]

    I'm glad to see that Slashdot has maintained their high standard of editorial control and oversight all these years.
    =Smidge=

    • Slashderp - because some things never change.
    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      From that article:

      One example is pozzolan cement, produced in some of our units in Brazil, and which uses pozzolan as a raw material.

      There are also significant deposits of pozzolan in California. Start digging!

      • Use the fly ash from coal power plants before digging.

        • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

          Use the fly ash from coal power plants before digging.

          Fly ash from coal power plants emit radon...heavily, and also usually contain various heavy metals. It can be used in the concrete layer 1 for freeways(i.e. sand, gravel, concrete level 1, black-top, gravel layer 2, and then top-level concrete). Unless it's used in outdoor conditions and in areas where it won't be low lying, it can't be used for buildings or internal areas that have low air flow.

  • by JoeDuncan ( 874519 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @01:56PM (#58822658)

    ... a type of concrete that doesn't rely on cement? There are plenty of them out there.

    • ... a type of concrete that doesn't rely on cement? There are plenty of them out there.

      Really? I'm not aware of any which are as strong, cheap, and durable as good ol' concrete.

      Can you cite any references? I'm aware there are lots of people beavering away at the problem but wasn't aware there were any solutions which were even close to being practical and economical.

      • There are. These links should get you started:

        https://www.worldcement.com/europe-cis/30012015/zero-cement-structural-concrete-article/

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geopolymer_cement

        • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

          There are. But as it stands none of it complies with existing building codes, and none of it adheres to standard slope and dope tests for consistency. There's also no uniform standards for any form of it at all, in turn there's been no load and limit stress testing done on any of it. So in reality, it's another 20 years out before the committees decide on how to grade it against existing formulations.

          • Looking at the worldcement article, it shows "cemfree" (as in cement-free) as a direct replacement for portland cement. From the stats in the article, it performs better than portland cement. It looks like they have done load and sheer testing. Surely if it performs as well as stated, it could be incorporated into building codes quickly (with will). On the other hand the article specifies its use with blast furnace slag, so it might not scale. Also cost is probably more, of course, but this isn't insurmount

        • Very interesting. I have to wonder though, if those materials are as good as they sound, why are they not taking off?

          I can think of a few reasons. Cost, caution over a new material, availability, building codes. Or maybe they aren't quite as good as they sound. I know I've tried many products on home projects which sounded good but didn't really live up to the glossy brochure.

    • that would last in roads, bridges and for buildings, and could be made at scale?

      Reminder Roman concrete has less than 1/10 the compressive strength of modern stuff, and if put in freeze/thaw cycle climate desintegrates after 18 - 29 cycles. Not good for most of the world, though if you have nearby volcano for the ash sure would have less environmental impact to use as building material and might be okay idea

      • Well, the 2000 year old roman concrete constructions al over Europe disagree with your stupid self invented numbers ...

  • retards (Score:4, Interesting)

    by iggymanz ( 596061 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:00PM (#58822698)

    the things built with concrete last good part of a century or more. I'm sitting in my office looking at buildings built in 1920s still in use. Any inferior alternative is going to cause even more CO2 pollution as it won't last as long.

    And then that retarded article talks about a replacement for...bricks, which is nothing like structural concrete. fucking hell, when will the green stupidity stop

    • Densified wood will most likely be far superior at much lower energy usage for main structure. For things like pylon pour into wet environments, not so much.
      • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

        Composite wood materials cover a lot of this, the only problem as they're now discovering after being pushed through. Is that they seem not to hold the load as well as they were claimed to be. Especially since most of it is sawdust and plastic made into form under compression. A lot of new houses in the city I grew up in were built using them(basically every house built since 2012 around 1500 single unit homes), they ALL have to be retrofitted with a secondary steel I-beam to carry the load, needless to

        • These aren't composite woods; they're pure wood. The wood is compressed and processed to bring cellulose strands molecularly close together. This causes hydrogen infiltration to cross-link between monomers in the polymer chain, which creates something akin to 2D kevlar.

        • by ravrazor ( 69324 )
          I'm honestly surprised that there's this story about global warming and a story about SF banning e-cigarettes on the front page of slashdot. How is this news for nerds?

          Anyway, more interesting news is Google/Sidewalk Labs new proposal for what they're planning to do to the Toronto Waterfront. There's something that might have been very interesting to get slashdot readers' views about.

          Since we're talking about changing the status quo of urban development: Google is proposing that buildings in one more
          • Anyway, more interesting news is Google/Sidewalk Labs new proposal for what they're planning to do to the Toronto Waterfront. There's something that might have been very interesting to get slashdot readers' views about.

            Slashdot did feature that story yesterday, here's a link [slashdot.org]

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      The alternatives to conventional cement aren't inferior. Some of them have superior properties. They're more expensive though. Other alternatives are regular old cement, just with the production process tweaked to produce less CO2 or capture what is produced.

      • uh huh, please provide links to the equivalent or superior concrete made from them

    • Actually, we use thin slices of concrete for building panels, with fake brick accretions, to make walls. It's very light.

      And it replaces bricks.

      You must not have been involved in large scale construction this century.

  • Wood burns, Concrete doesn't.

    • Wood burns, Concrete doesn't.

      You also generally can't build wood buildings more than around five floors tall. I don't think we know how tall you can build a steel and concrete building.

      • That's true of untreated wood, but the latest super dense woods are stronger and lighter than steel, and less compressible than concrete. That suggests they'll be useful for building the next skyscrapers, as well as cars and anything else that could use a strong, lightweight material. It's also made almost the exact same way you make paper, so there are a lot of people who should know a whole lot about what needs to be done to produce it cheaply and efficiently.

        As far as I'm aware it's not in mass productio

  • by NoNonAlphaCharsHere ( 2201864 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:05PM (#58822748)

    ...more than 1,400 degrees Celsius (2,600 Fahrenheit), about four times hotter than a home oven set to the self-clean cycle.

    Say! There's a useful (and intuitive) analogy!

    • Re:Science! (Score:4, Interesting)

      by avandesande ( 143899 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:43PM (#58823082) Journal
      It's also wrong if you are talking about a real measure of temperature such as Kelvin
      • Eh, it's wrong either way. It cites both Centigrade and Fahrenheit. It can't be 4x both at once, with any sorta-reasonable amount of mind-warping.

        Also, "four times hotter" is pretty tough to reconcile with any nonabsolute temperature scale. Maybe something funny with biological perception, but that's getting way nutty.

  • The report shows that cement produces slightly more CO2 than trucks, but does the "trucks" category include the El Camino? Or the Subaru Brat? Adding those into the mix could tip the scales...

    • At one time, SUV's were considered trucks. Are they included in the truck category?

      It's All About Platform For many car experts, the difference between the two is simple: A crossover is based on a car's platform, while an SUV uses the chassis of a truck. The result is that crossovers use "unibody" architecture, meaning the body and frame are one piece, while SUVs use a "body on frame" design. In that case, the body is built separately from the frame and placed together later.

      https://www.autotrader.com [autotrader.com]
  • Not 4x hotter (Score:4, Insightful)

    by xfade551 ( 2627499 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:14PM (#58822828)
    1400C = 1673 K (rounding to nearest whole number) 1673 K / 4 = 418 K = 145C = 293F. I'm not exacting sure what the self-cleaning temperature is on my oven, but it's at least 500F = 260C = 533 K, which is a lot closer to a factor of 3.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    The production of portland cement emits carbon dioxide, yes.
    The setting process reabsorbs about half of the carbon dioxide emitted. The (correct) bloomberg article does not mention that CO2 is absorbed when the product is eventually used.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2016-11-22/concrete-is-a-carbon-sink/8043174?section=science
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_cement#Setting_and_hardening

  • by smoot123 ( 1027084 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:24PM (#58822922)

    OK, it doesn't exactly apply to climate change but work with me.

    You look at the chart in TFA. It shows that cars produce 7.9% of CO2 emissions. So we go all hog wild subsidizing electric cars so we can bring that down to...3%? Maybe?

    Amdahl essentially said you have to optimize where the time is spent. If you want to address CO2 emissions, you really need to address the big ticket items first. Like that 73% "Other" category.

    • Almost all of "other" is electricity production, which is of course what all the solar panels and wind turbines are about.

      See:
      https://www.quora.com/What-are... [quora.com]

    • Actually, in most of America, a combination of wind and solar with around 0.1% batteries or stored water up an incline running turbines can replace 100% of fossil fuel usage. You can use it to run cars (electrics are now cheaper in half of America and Canada), trucks (yes, 410 mile range offroad trucks with winches, get the optional battery for long trips), trains, tractor trailers, you name it.

      In the West, 40-50% of our pollution is from transportation, so it's a big deal here.

    • For every part of climate change the big ticket is the "other category" the problem with that category is it isn't a big ticket, it's a seasons pass to every event and every sport available*.

      *Posted from my smartphone which contributes to that 73% other.

  • I don't understand why we don't capture it or filter it on it's way out of the stack. There are many technologies that can be used to do this, and yet we continue to just blow it up in to the atmosphere to let trees deal with it

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

  • by azcoyote ( 1101073 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:54PM (#58823144)
    Well, there goes my plan to stop climate change by pumping cow flatulence into concrete silos.
  • Look, we know there are greener methods of making concrete, in fact, worldwide we used to make concrete using mostly local rocks and shells and it worked fine. And then we went on a cement binge, using potash and other high carbon emissions methods.

    We're just returning to methods we literally used for millenia, methods that built structures that, for the most part, are still standing.

    If we combine the stored carbon taken from both the atmosphere and the oceans in combined sea grass and seaweed beds combine

    • Look, we know there are greener methods of making concrete, in fact, worldwide we used to make concrete using mostly local rocks and shells and it worked fine. And then we went on a cement binge, using potash and other high carbon emissions methods.

      We're just returning to methods we literally used for millenia, methods that built structures that, for the most part, are still standing.

      If we combine the stored carbon taken from both the atmosphere and the oceans in combined sea grass and seaweed beds combined with shellfish, store that carbon in the aggregate concrete that you get mixed with local stones, we can literally start to remove carbon from the atmosphere and oceans.

      And as a byproduct, get some yummy shellfish to eat, replacing high emissions beef.

      We just need to stop subsidizing the high carbon producing concrete we're using right now. At all levels.

      I'll agree to disagree about the shellfish being tastier than beef but you're on the right track as far as there are engineering solutions available. The sooner we start positioning these the better. Part of that positioning has to be not letting some countries off scot-free (looking at China) and saddling Western countries with lots of extra cost. That just accelerates offshoring and further hurts the middle class for no net gain.

      • How does reducing the acidity of our watersheds hurt the local economy?

        Do you want to pay extra for Canadian lobster and clams and oysters shipped?

        Don't you want to save American fisheries and use local materials instead of offshore it?

  • Better listen, or the Green New Deal will give you a pair of cement shoes!

  • by rahvin112 ( 446269 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @03:25PM (#58823406)

    It's not just the high amount of energy, producing cement powder involves basically cooking a mineral mix that offgasses large amounts of CO2 during production in the process of cooking the oxygen out of the mix. It also requires a massive amount of energy because the minerals have to be cooked at about 6000F (IIRC) to produce the klinker that's ground into cement powder. But there is no requirement this energy come from Fossil Fuels like it does currently which is the biggest CO2 contributor to the process, you could do the same with electric heating as the grid moves to renewable. Eliminating the coal or gas that current cement producers use for high heat input would do a great deal to reduce the CO2 contribution.

    But concrete also last a very long time, it's also highly versatile and extremely strong. Alternatives to it often involve a massive compromise of either cost, life or strength. Though research continues and will continue for a long time in reducing energy input and improving life because there is a massive incentive to industry to reduce these inputs to improve cost.

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      Most plants that are still using fossil fuels are doing so because they're also being used to get rid of waste that either has a low recycling value(tires - especially truck tires, synthetic fiber or 2nd or 3rd generation recycled plastics), has no recycling value(blacktop down the 4th re-layering is pretty garbage, etc), or is considered hazardous(biomedical) to recycle. They're kinda the fill-in gap for the lack of W2E facilities.

  • it makes lime dust that gets everywhere, and you have to wash your windows with distilled vinegar often, or CLR or LimeAway if it gets too thick, it ruins automobile paint if left without being washed often, glad i live on the far side of town from it and the wind dont bring it this way
  • There is an alternative to traditional lime kilns. The material can be separated by electrolysis. The waste product is carbon monoxide instead of dioxide, and is an industrial feedstock.

    I'm not aware of any pilot scale plants existing yet, so it's all lab-scale work for now.

  • There's also the energy required to get those kilns up to those temperatures, which will typically also involve burning energy-dense fuels.

    Also worth noting that a wind turbine farm requires about 200 tons of Type I portland cement (that's 2 rail cars worth) to make the 750 cubic yards of concrete used to form the foundation for a single 2MW turbine.

    According to EPA, between 900 and 1100 kg (1984 and 2425 lbs) of CO2 is emitted for every 1000 kg (2205 lbs) of portland cement produced in the U.S. This depend

    • by Manuka ( 4415 )

      (and the wind farm will take up almost 400 times as much acreage as a nuclear or coal generating plant will)

  • Kilns are heated to more than 1,400 degrees Celsius (2,600 Fahrenheit), about four times hotter than a home oven set to the self-clean cycle

    1,400 C + 273.15 = 1,673.15 K
    1,673.15 / 4 = 418.29 K
    418.29 K - 273.15 = 145 C

    I don't believe your self-cleaning oven works very well.

  • Over 60% of cement is produced by China (and about half of all steel). So the conclusion is always 'China is always the big pollutor'. On the other hand if everything has moved over there it's also pretty obvious that they have to be the big pollutor, big energy consumer and so on, so you kind of have to adjust how you measure things.

  • Part of the solution, of course, is to see what we can do to limit production up front.

    But part of it is to see what we can do to limit production downstream too.
    Build tighter buildings that require less energy to heat, cool and light.

    And capture/sequestration.
    They are making forms of concrete that actually involve impregnating it with CO2, or the concrete, during the curing process, absorbs a portion of the cement's carbon footprint.

    As well as the various carbon capture schemes out there.

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