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YouTube Is Making It Much Easier For Creators To Deal With Copyright Claims (theverge.com) 89

YouTube is updating the way it handles manual copyright claims with changes that should make them much less of a headache for video creators. The Verge reports: Owners of copyrighted content -- like a record label or a movie studio -- will now have to say exactly where in a video their copyrighted material appears, which they didn't have to do in the past when manually reporting infringement. That'll allow creators to easily verify whether or not a claim is legitimate and to then edit out the content if they don't want to deal with the repercussions, like losing revenue or having the video taken down. With this change, the whole system will be a lot clearer and should operate much smoother. Video creators will be able to see the chunk that's been claimed, and YouTube will allow them to mute the audio during that portion, replace the audio with a free-to-use song from YouTube's library, or cut out that chunk of the video. If they choose any of those options, the copyright claim will automatically be released. (All of those options were previously available, but creators had to figure out on their own what they needed to cut out.)
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YouTube Is Making It Much Easier For Creators To Deal With Copyright Claims

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  • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2019 @10:30PM (#58899456)

    but not for auto Claims!

    • but not for auto Claims!

      Is that where instead of demonetizing your video, they just redirect the proceeds to the claimant with you having no recourse at all other than removing the video to stop the fraudsters from getting the money you deserved?

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Is that where instead of demonetizing your video, they just redirect the proceeds to the claimant

        No, it's where they demonitize you and Google keeps the money.

        That's why they demonitize videos instead of taking them down.

        Demonitize = More Shekels for Google.

        • by Rockoon ( 1252108 ) on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @01:04AM (#58899952)

          No, it's where they demonitize you and Google keeps the money.

          From How I Deal With Fake YouTube Copyright Claims by Believe Music [medium.com] in June of last year:

          Every now and again, I get an email from YouTube that some random company has claimed that they own the copyright to the music used in my cooking videos.

          Now, I have over 350 videos on my YouTube channel. Every piece of music I use to accompany these videos is legally obtained — they’re either copyright-free with source and credit given, or they’re music for which a licence has been paid by the numerous video editors I’ve used over the years.

          In said email, YouTube is gracious enough to tell me that I’m “not in trouble”, just that any ad revenue from my video will be diverted to this company from now on. Lovely.

          Are we to believe this shit has stopped?

          • by Anonymous Coward

            Simple way to stop it - add 1 private video stating what demonetization does.
            When 1 video is demonetized, take down every video except that one and make it public.
            If every channel did this, YouTube would see its available content vanish when the creators don't get paid.

            • Simple way to stop it - add 1 private video stating what demonetization does. When 1 video is demonetized, take down every video except that one and make it public. If every channel did this, YouTube would see its available content vanish when the creators don't get paid.

              Losing that money sucks but there are YouTubers who value their videos more than the money. Especially in the political arena. People who would rather their videos be seen even if they are getting "robbed" by YouTube for doing so.

        • Is that where instead of demonetizing your video, they just redirect the proceeds to the claimant

          No, it's where they demonitize you and Google keeps the money.

          That's why they demonitize videos instead of taking them down.

          Demonitize = More Shekels for Google.

          Nope. When videos are demonetized (as opposed to redirected to a claimant), Google stops showing ads on them at all, meaning no money for anyone (though Google still bears the cost of delivering the videos to watchers, of course). I don't believe there is any case where Google shows ads on the content but does not share the revenue.

    • by scdeimos ( 632778 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2019 @10:44PM (#58899514)

      but not for auto Claims!

      Well...

      The more egregious copyright violations on YouTube often come through automatic copyright detection. That feature already provided specific timestamps so that creators know what portion of a video is being claimed.

      • by e3m4n ( 947977 )

        Its crap. Ive been hit by this bullshit more than once. The last time I created a channel for my daughters archery team. It was for their end of the year banquet. All the parents submitted their pictures to me. I was about to put together a slide show using Hitfilm when I realized windows Photos app could do it. Not only could it do it, but it had an option to sync to some preselected music. It timed the slides to the beat, automated panning and zooming, as well as motion tracking. I uploaded it and a day l

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Is claiming the entire video as copyrighted property allowed?

    Because I can see them doing that every time...

    • Re:The whole thing (Score:5, Insightful)

      by rudy_wayne ( 414635 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2019 @10:45PM (#58899520)

      What about situations where your video legitimately falls under fair use? My experience so far has been that Google doesn't give two shits about fair use. If someone makes a bogus copyright claim you are automatically guilty with no recourse.

      • by Kaenneth ( 82978 )

        Google has no obligation to publish submitted videos, so they err of the side that gives them no liability.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        You are correct, Google does not care because legally it can't. The dispute is a legal one between you and the copyright holder, and YouTube is obliged by law to take the copyright holder's word for it until you sue them and win.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          Except that's not what always happens. Google may often leave the video up but switch the ad revenue to the party making the copyright claim. Now they're profiting off your work (basically engaging in copyright infringement themselves), but the video is still under your profile so you can't submit a claim against them. You're just stuck with the greedy assholes getting paid for your work. You can't file a counter claim because this is being done under YouTube's ToS and not through the DMCA.

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      • by xlsior ( 524145 )
        Blame the dmca - if Google doesn't immediately take action and remove content whenever anyone at all files a claim, they would lose their indemnification and become personally liable for each and every violation. Unfortunately there are next to no consequences for filing false claims, whether they were made by accident or maliciously.
    • Re:The whole thing (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Brave Guy ( 457657 ) on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @05:41AM (#58900388)

      Well, there is another side to this. I've been involved with creating original video content, and I've seen the situation where someone sets up a YT channel that is entirely based on ripping whole videos from us (and others in the same field) and monetizing them. From our side, every time this happened, we had to go through a tedious manual process to file a DMCA takedown. And then hours later, the same guy would be back with the exact same video ripped again and getting ad revenue on his channel. YT has obligations under the DMCA and similar laws elsewhere to take action against repeat offenders, but as far as we can tell, it did nothing extra in this sort of situation at all. And I'm sure it was taking much more time for us, the people doing the actual creative work and legitimate rightsholders, to deal with each case than it was for the other guy to re-upload the same rip he'd already taken.

      So yes, claiming the entire video as copyright infringement should definitely be allowed, because sometimes it is.

      • Well, there is another side to this. I've been involved with creating original video content, and I've seen the situation where someone sets up a YT channel that is entirely based on ripping whole videos from us (and others in the same field) and monetizing them. From our side, every time this happened, we had to go through a tedious manual process to file a DMCA takedown.

        One of the strangest things here is that while people ripping off your original content, which is a valid use of takedowns, that the folks who demand that say, their music never ever be heard by anyone who is not listening to an official channel.

        Which means they are not taking advantage of free outlets. People who put out videos containing short clips of a song often spur others to say "Hey, I love that song, so they then go to Vevo or the like to listen to it. Money.

        It's a little like how in the earl

        • This is the pyramid scheme argument for copyright infringement: the uploader or the people watching their channel might not pay you for your work, but don't worry, they'll get you lots of attention from other people!

          Well, in a surprise to no-one in my industry, it turns out that the other people attracted by infringing channels are generally also willing to rip you off themselves, so unfortunately the whole argument about generating extra revenue through wider exposure falls flat.

  • Music the sounds beautiful.... and copyright it for 1 person.... bank it.$... you will see it in 4 years.
  • So now police can have RIAA music blasting in the background while beating up their detainees, and crooked politicians can do the same while discussing their activities incase they are being secretly recorded. The RIAA will do the dirty work for them ensuring these videos get pulled so the public dosen't see what's going on.

    We will be hearing a lot more RIAA music being blasted continuously in places where they don't want bad and crooked activities to be filmed.

  • This change would appear to do exactly nothing for bogus claims against fair use of copyrighted material. Even if a creator is in the right, they risk losing their channel to even fight the claims. Unfortunately, youtube stands squarely on the side of copyright holders, and for their convenience, treats creators as guilty until proven innocent, with no effective deterrent for bogus claims. By default, videos are taken down, and the channel may remain in limbo indefinitely, with no recourse for the creator.

  • by aepervius ( 535155 ) on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @01:55AM (#58900044)
    It still places an onerous burden on the creator to verify and respond while allowing automated tool for claim, and those tool make no difference between fair use extract for analyze and copyright infringement, and those tool still claim spuriously stuff which they falsely recognize as copyright. There should be an escrow associated with a claim, say 10$, and if the claim is found to be spurious , then that money is given to the defendant, if not that money is given back. Or something similar. At the moment there is no punishment for spurious claim. And that is a shame, since the DMCA AFAIR forsee one. Heck the 9th circvuit agree with me :) https://www.gerbenlaw.com/blog... [gerbenlaw.com]
    • by Anonymous Coward

      That's a good start but I think liability for lost revenue should be in there as well.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      One thing TFA seems to have missed is that there will be repercussions for mistakes, at least with the manual claims. In a tweet YouTube said that if manual claimants failed to accurately detail the infringing material (i.e. timestamps) they would eventually be banned from submitting further claims.

      It's a step in the right direction, but as you say they need to go much further.

      The main problem is the DMCA. They are obliged to act, and can't be the arbiter of copyright disputes. If the claimant rejects and a

      • by flink ( 18449 )

        Google does not have to bias things so heavily in favor of the claimant though. The 3-strikes policy, for example, is entirely their own doing. It makes people afraid to dispute illegitimate claims. Leaving it up to the claimant whether to issue a strike is also grossly misguided. They could also hold revenue for a disputed video in escrow while the dispute is settled instead of letting it all flow to the claimant, or just refuse to serve ads on it entirely so that a disputed video generates no revenue

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          That's true. It should be 10 strikes from 10 different claimants at least, because one claimant can easily hit you with three strikes to threaten your channel.

          WatchMojo was supposed to be doing something about this because their videos kept getting bogus hits, and they have the money to pursue it. They even said that it was their competitor channels making the false claims. Not sure what happened, if anything yet.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I had a video with a soundtrack which was "claimed" by a copyright holder. The soundtrack came from https://musopen.org/ which only has unencumbered music, so the claim was almost certainly bogus.

    When I found this out, the only way to contest the claim involved risking my entire account being shut down with no redress. I changed the sound track instead.

    The really nasty bit was youtube didn't bother notifying me of the claim and the alleged copyright holder started earning funds from my video playing.

    • by next_ghost ( 1868792 ) on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @05:28AM (#58900364)

      I had a video with a soundtrack which was "claimed" by a copyright holder. The soundtrack came from https://musopen.org/ [musopen.org] which only has unencumbered music, so the claim was almost certainly bogus.

      Copyright holders frequently use public domain or freely licensed content in their oh-so-precious proprietary content and then don't bother to properly mark the free/libre parts which automatic upload filters must ignore. Rightholders should get banned from using upload filters for claiming content they don't own, even if it's just a 5-second public domain clip in a feature-length movie. Alas, EU law does not allow that anymore...

      • by tepples ( 727027 )

        Rightholders should get banned from using upload filters for claiming content they don't own, even if it's just a 5-second public domain clip in a feature-length movie.

        YouTube requires a copyright owner in the Content ID program to blank out parts of the reference material to which it does not own exclusive rights. A user of Content ID that gets caught defaming title in the manner that you describe could lose Content ID access.

        • by flink ( 18449 )

          Could, but never will in practice if you are big enough. Can you imagine YouTube pulling BMG, Columbia or Sony out of Content ID because they didn't blank out public domain samples from their reference material?

  • inb4 the copyright MAFIAA starts screaming bloody murder because of this change.
  • The problem with Youtube copyright claims is not the ones that are valid, where say you tape a segment of an interview in a mall and in the background a song can be heard. Then you get those valid options: mute the audio, cut it out, replace by something else. Great.

    The problems are really that sometimes the labels claim that the ORIGINAL of work they bought belongs to them. Remember that time when someone sampled a song and used a portion of the other song? The remix got a label contract and the original

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