In the US, Wells Being Drilled Ever Deeper as Groundwater Vanishes (arstechnica.com) 161
An anonymous reader shares a report: Groundwater is an "invisible resource," writes environmental engineer Debra Perrone. It "flows slowly under our feet through cracks in rocks and spaces in sediments," she says, contrasting it with the more visible and obvious dams and rivers on the surface. This invisible resource is a quiet hero, supplying around a quarter of the US' daily freshwater needs. Its distributed nature makes groundwater a challenging resource to manage. Unlike on the surface, where we can manage through public infrastructure like dams and reservoirs, groundwater is mostly tapped through millions of wells drilled by individuals, businesses, and farms. But current levels of groundwater use are not sustainable: resources are being steadily depleted as groundwater use outpaces natural replenishment. This depletion means that shallower wells may run dry. Across the US, people are drilling deeper and deeper wells, report Perrone and her colleague Scott Jasechko in a paper in Nature Sustainability this week. That suggests that the easy-to-access water is already vanishing. But it's also not sustainable to keep going deeper.
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Into the ocean, duh. Desalination is hard.
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Desalination is hard.
Only for humans
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Into the ocean, duh. Desalination is hard.
Not really.. It's quite easy... It just takes the right equipment and power to run the pumps.
Of course, the equipment costs money... And the power costs money... And sometimes finding the money IS hard...
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Dump it into the ocean in a spot where ocean currents will distribute it over a vast area, and don't worry about it?
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what do you do with the waste from desalinated water? The whole process is much harder than it seems.
Dump it in the ocean you pulled it from in the first place perhaps? That's actually one of the easy things, just drop a pipe off shore and pump it out there. If you want to be nice about it, mix in sea water and dilute the stuff... Actually, this is EXACTLY what they do..
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Wastewater is being treated to drinking water standards and injected back into the aquifers. Its called aquifer storage and recovery.
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Poor article, nothing new. (Score:5, Insightful)
This has been known for decades, and anyone that lives in a region with high agricultural use of aquifers is well familiar with the problem. Much of the middle of the country is pumping like mad to sustain farms, and they're well aware that it'll come to an end some day. The desert southwest has decided to deplete water in some cities at completely unsustainable rates.
Phoenix for instance, has been named "worlds least sustainable city"
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/mar/20/phoenix-least-sustainable-city-survive-water
The problem is a lot of people think of water like they think of oil. Like it's all one big global market. Water is all local. Me saving a gallon of water in water rich Minnesota has exactly zero impact on someone in Phoenix.
Re: Poor article, nothing new. (Score:1)
TFA completely misses the point in going for its overzealous environmental slant. Building codes have forced deeper wells in most of the East. In most places, minimum well depth is 30'... even in places that were served by springhouses or artesian wells for the previous 200 years.
Cali should also come as no surprise.. put a few million people in a desert... duh.
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Most of the problem with depletion of aquifers happens in the west and central states. The plain states used to be called the great american desert. California is largely a desert. These places have never had a sustainable human presence post-colonization and only continue via taking water from future generations or other states.
Not acknowledging the regional nature of this problem by the arstechnica writer is a disservice to the audience. This is not a "US problem" and those causing the issue should not be
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Re: Poor article, nothing new. (Score:2)
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it's quite a bit more of a problem in Texas and Kansas
I noticed you left out Oklahoma. Got something against utter shitholes?? ;)
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I noticed you left out Oklahoma.
Oklahoma? I think you mean Occupied North Texas [xkcd.com].
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If you're attempting to forecast recharge of an aquifer, changing rain patterns are going to be a major factor. If you're looking at overall less precipitation in an area, that means it takes longer for the aquifer to be replenished.
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Most of California is a Mediterranean|semi-arid climate (~75%), with only around 20% of it's landmass is considered a desert: areas to the south-east, bordering Nevada, Arizona and Mexico.
Source: Geography of California [wikipedia.org].
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Me saving a gallon of water in water rich Minnesota has exactly zero impact on someone in Phoenix.
So the future's big fucking pipelines?
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LOL.. Apparently so.. Long ones too..
Re:Poor article, nothing new. (Score:5, Interesting)
So the future's big fucking pipelines?
The future is nuclear powered desalination plants. Lots of them too. All up and down every coastline, worldwide.
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The future is where fracking water and the toxins it dissolved meet the ground water table and pollute the US heartland to death. They can not drill that deep any more, the frackers beat them there and polluted the hell out of it and now that pollution is working its way to the surface.
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"Nearly three-quarters of irrigated acres are in the 17 western-most contiguous States (referred to as the Western States hereafter)."
USDA [usda.gov]
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Also from MN, and I expect that within my lifetime, other states are going to be eyeing our resources hungrily.
My guess is that some dirty politician from Chicago will be the first to break the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Drill baby, drill (Score:4, Funny)
Also, I wish we could shut the hippy dippy types up and get more focus on the practical effects of our environment. I get it. Hippies are annoying. Also they're 1/8 Hipster [youtube.com]. But I swear, we've got people fighting against clean air and water for Pete's sake...
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Also, I wish we could shut the hippy dippy types up and get more focus on the practical effects of our environment..
OK, how about this for the most practical, least hippy statement of the problem:
7 billion people are not sustainable. Full stop.
7 billion people is well beyond the sustainable carrying capacity of this planet. All we keep doing is rearranging deck chairs.
About the only counter I've ever heard to this is "the number of people are not the problem. People in the developing counties -- where most of the population is -- use much less resources, and when they rise out of poverty their population growth slows d
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7 billion people are not sustainable. Full stop.
They are if you condition them to small living spaces and feed 'em bugs.
Just saying... :)
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And drink their own pee like Bear Grillis
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It used to the be the case that as populations gained education and access to medicine, they would have fewer children
Unfortunately, the Catholics, Mormons and Protestants are all proselytizing the hell out of the third world and convincing them to continue to have huge families
It is ALMOST as if they really do want the world to end
How do we get rid of this sickness?
What makes you think that let's say Muslims are proponents of birth control? Or some of the more radical jewish sects?
Nearly all religions are crazy on this subject.
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Also, I wish we could shut the hippy dippy types up and get more focus on the practical effects of our environment. I get it. Hippies are annoying.
And here I was thinking you were one. ;)
Re:Meanwhile (Score:5, Insightful)
You do realize that, in some corners of the Internet, putting three parenthesis around a word is code for "Jews", right? Was that a mistake or were you insinuating that "evil Jews are stealing our water and selling it back to us at a huge profit"?
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...putting three parenthesis around a word is code for "Jews"...
W...T....F? That's a thing?
Re:Meanwhile (Score:5, Informative)
Holy crap... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses [wikipedia.org]
It's a thing!
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Not only is everything racism, they are continually making new things so there can be more racism.
Re: Meanwhile (Score:1)
I just thought he was a LISP coder.
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+1 Informative
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There's no way people who aren't active neo-nazis can keep track of every code-du-jour the neonazis are using. They're still a fringe element so the false positives will far outnumber actual neonazi jargon.
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Just in case anyone was wondering, the triple parentheses used in the parent post are an antisemitic symbol.
More here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Yup, one of the 4chan racist trolls has wandered over again.
Time to get rid of AC posting. In ye olden days there was some advantage to it, but now it's just license for every white supremacist snowflake to come out and post vile horrible stuff.
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There are no human rights under capitalism, only the invisible hand and the free market.
Mu.
While it's true that capitalism doesn't include any notion of human rights, except the notion that all contractual agreements should be voluntary (because to do otherwise reduces efficiency), that doesn't in any way mean that any social system that relies on capitalism to efficiently allocate goods and resources can't also define and enforce human rights.
That said, this is a case where market economics could actually do an excellent job of solving the problem. The problem is that water is a scarce a
anyone else read "Wells being drilled" (Score:1)
and think of Dawn Wells [dailymail.co.uk] and do a double take? Oh that Gilligan!
CROFL
Water is a difficult resource to manage (Score:1)
It's easy to build a combined solar desalinization plant and diffuse the impact of desalinization. Pipelining water across the country is also a simple matter.
Where does all that water go when you use it?
Does it evaporate? Does it go into the ground and raise a local water table, causing instability (mudslides etc)? Will it change local humidity, affect the local climate, cause weather? Will it increase nosema and destroy the bee population?
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Pipelining water across the country is also a simple matter.
I don't think you understand the energy requirements.
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It's easy to build a combined solar desalinization plant and diffuse the impact of desalinization. Pipelining water across the country is also a simple matter.
Where does all that water go when you use it?
Does it evaporate? Does it go into the ground and raise a local water table, causing instability (mudslides etc)? Will it change local humidity, affect the local climate, cause weather? Will it increase nosema and destroy the bee population?
Pipelines? You don't seem to understand the volume of water we are discussing here and the cost involved in building and operating pipelines large enough to move that kind of water uphill (in most cases). We are talking about a lot of pipes, right of way, pumping stations and may many miles of it. It's a LONG way from the ocean to where a lot of our food is grown.
Then, assuming you have pipelines in place, taking the salt out of enough sea water won't be cheap either.
Where does it go? Let me see, the ar
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Pipelines? You don't seem to understand the volume of water we are discussing here and the cost involved in building and operating pipelines large enough to move that kind of water uphill (in most cases). We are talking about a lot of pipes, right of way, pumping stations and may many miles of it. It's a LONG way from the ocean to where a lot of our food is grown.
The pipelines aren't a problem. Across much of the US we already have "pipelines" called rivers and canals that bring sufficient water the other way.
The only problem is getting enough energy to purify and pump the water uphill.
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You don't seem to understand the volume of water we are discussing here
Can you put that figure in barrels of oil? How about in comparison to the amount of water we pipe around these areas as-is? For example, Phoenix is fed by the Verde River, whereas the Gulf of California is 2.5x as far. The Goldfields Water Supply in Australia lifted 1.7 million liters 400 meters, spanning 530km... in 1903. There's a pipeline in California that moved 100 billion gallons of water 137 miles in 1957.
Where does it go? Let me see, the area is usually dry and hot... Um.. evaporation perhaps?
And then where? Does it just disappear? Does it migrate back to the coast from which it
Opprotunity! (Score:5, Insightful)
Reminds me of a story from a few years back during the height of the California drought. The almond crop was in danger since it is the most water intensive and there weren't enough drillers to go around for all farming. But almonds were also the most profitable. So what happened? Freaking hedge funds went around buying up almond farms, throwing their money at monopolizing well drilling and making the problem worse!
Sure, it rained 3 years later, probably nobody died, and if you didn't live on a farm in the central valley you probably only noticed if you closely watch what you pay for a bag of almonds. But when these droughts become widespread, expect profiteering to make the problem much worse than it needs to be.
Re:Opprotunity! (Score:5, Insightful)
California regulators let this happen. This is about a failure of the state to properly regulate water.
Huge farming corporations own most of the water. They get the water cheap, use it to produce certain high value corps, and then export it for top dollar. People in cities get water use restrictions while the big agricultural users get all of the water they need. It burns me that such a precious public resource goes directly to the coffers of private corporations. We fight over future plans like desalination while huge farms flood the desert in the middle of the day. Seriously, WTF?
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California regulators let this happen. This is about a failure of the state to properly regulate water.
Huge farming corporations own most of the water. They get the water cheap, use it to produce certain high value corps, and then export it for top dollar. People in cities get water use restrictions while the big agricultural users get all of the water they need. It burns me that such a precious public resource goes directly to the coffers of private corporations. We fight over future plans like desalination while huge farms flood the desert in the middle of the day. Seriously, WTF?
But regulating a public good like water or clean air is socialism!
Free market all the way to the grave!
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Not seeing anywhere that he attached his statement to a party...
Good work (Score:2)
I see that the Chinese are really going through with this hoax by pumping out the groundwater from under the US.
Desalination is fascinating,game changing (Score:1)
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The cost to purify and distribute water tends to be around $2/m3 around the globe. The cost to desalinate water is $1/m3, and you might be able to skip some of the costs to purify the water by going through desalination, but a 50% cost increase for water is not terribly high. That's assuming you live close to a coast though. Desalination in the middle of a desert such as central California will be more expensive.
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Fortunatly, most of the world's population lives near coastlines. Desalination would give inland users increased use of their own water.
Los Angeles sucks, and currently from as far away as Wyoming. Now imagine 14,000,000 people no longer using that inland water.
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What prevents us from harnessing its unlimited potential?
The financial industry.
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What prevents us from harnessing its unlimited potential?Is it econmic viability and the fact that fresh water sources are still not depleted enough or is the technology simply not mature enough?
The gating factor in desalination is the energy cost of pushing saltwater through ion-filtering membranes. If we could use substances like graphene as membranes, the pressure needed, and cost, could drop substantially.
https://www.nature.com/article... [nature.com]
Well, nature regulates itself (Score:2)
Those that overdraw on natural resources eventually exhaust them and die. Not in any way surprising or unexpected.
I went deep with my well. (Score:2)
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lucky you. we got our water at 250', 25GPM. So we thought "hey! we got all the water we need".. But no, it's at 90x the safe levels of arsenic.
So even with wells, it's not just the amount of water, it's the potability of it. :(
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lucky you. we got our water at 250', 25GPM. So we thought "hey! we got all the water we need".. But no, it's at 90x the safe levels of arsenic.
So even with wells, it's not just the amount of water, it's the potability of it. :(
In my area (rural northern AZ) we have a large sheet of groundwater filtering slowly through deep limestone from a 12,600' volcano which attracts rainclouds and whose cinder soaks up all the water without any runoff. But the well water we tap from this aquifer has 20 ppm of arsenic, which was fine until the feds lowered the limit from 50 ppm to 10. Now we need an expensive machine to filter down to the new standard.
But now that we have less of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] in our water, we have exp
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But now that we have less of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ [wikipedia.org]... [wikipedia.org] in our water, we have experienced significantly lower numbers of BMW drivers.
You must not be in Sedona.
Go on, keep making people (Score:4, Informative)
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Nonsense, the population will peak in the 2080s and then go down. Prosperity lowers birth rate. It's just an engineering problem, there are no shortages of water nor any other resource on planet earth despite scaremongering articles.
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Their children we would assume would be more likely to behave in the same way as their parents..
No, why would they?
My wife is close to 50. She is the youngest daughter, 9 years younger than her next sister, of a family with 12 kids. Only 8 survived into adulthood.
Most in her family have one kid. One has two. All kids they have one kid, except one here or there who has two.
When my wife got 12 her mother introduced her into family planing/contraception and explained: "when I was young we had no contraception"
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Yes, those in Africa will have to be lifted out of poverty, then the problem is solved. It's not impossible.
Re: Go on, keep making people (Score:1)
Racist much?
What is your basis for assuming humans living in Africa won't behave the same as humans living on other continents once access to modern lifestyles is widely available to them?
Be specific, and explain why the same doesn't apply to Europeans or Asians...
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If I had mod points, I would mod you Genius.
People act like we have the ability to scale everything infinitely. We don't. We already have three times as many people as the world can provide for comfortably. What we need to do is phase out a large segment of the population with robots. It won't be pretty at first, but if we give some sort of voluntary rewards for sterilization, then the problem will solve itself smoothly.
The problem we have now is that we reward popping out too many children via welfare
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The birthrate anywhere of the planet, has nothing to do with any water problem anywhere in the USA.
Just like India (Score:4, Informative)
This is the same mistake that India has been making... and the government subsidized bigger pumps and digging existing wells deeper. Now they are starting to realize that when the glaciers in the Himalayas are gone and their major rivers start to dry up they are in very serious trouble. Pretty close to the edge now. And sadly, they are not unique. But commercial scale agriculture is so profitable and beloved by governments at many levels... so why pull back now? And then add the ground water contamination from fracking. Lemmings...
progress & modernity & whatnot (Score:1)
"...reservoirs, designed to store water during exceptionally wet years, were considered all but useless... never built... 2016 & 2017 California received record snow & rainfall... windfall of millions of acre-ft of runoff was mostly let out to sea." http://bit.ly/2HnjQTR [bit.ly]
"Grow food not lawns" http://bit.ly/2Cmyk2s [bit.ly]
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"Name one ecosystem that is better off for having agriculture moved into it?"
Central California now gets watered year round, instead of just in the winter. It's much more habitable, and much more beautiful.
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Well duh (Score:2)
Why is this news. Were you expecting people to drill shallower wells?
Watershed destruction (Score:1)
No one is really looking at the long term impacts of development and how the destruction of the watershed is causing this. When you pave so much surface, then build basins to accumulate the run-off and redirect this to other outfalls; you have now negated the places where the ground would absorb those water to feed the groundwater layers...
#FormerSiteCivilDesigner
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How deep is TOo deep? Scary stuff (Score:1)
It's sad to hear the facts of this. Many people have seen the obvious, for example the images of water behind Hoover Dam, lower than ever since the lake first filled, baring the lighter-colored area that was once submerged. We may have seen some other surface indicators of a dearth of water, and of course most people can't manage to be concerned. Farmers, however, are very concerned. Municipalities that draw their water from well are concerned. Many people who depend on these wells should be concerned.
desalination needed on the coasts and now (Score:2)
These need to be done on the coastal areas and with it, add desalination plants that use the waste heat. If we simply use desalinated for 50-100 miles around the coastal areas, it would enable the rest of the nation to make much better use of rivers, great lakes, and of course, less of our groundwater.
That ground water is going to be needed for future droughts
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Also, how will desalination on the coasts discourage inland areas from draining aquifers?
Nearly all of our river waters start in the Rockies or Appalachians. However, the majority of the consumption on these is NOT all along the route, but towards the ends, basically, by the coastal areas. For example, Utah and Colorado, consume a mear fractions of our waters. OTOH, Southern California, and Nevada takes huge amounts of not just what they are legally allowed, but even major amounts of what tec
Aquifer storage (Score:2)
In some areas treated wastewater is heavily filtered to drinking water standards and injected back into the aquifer to replenish it. This could also be conceivably be done with storm water.
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In South Australia we have several large aquifer replenishment projects, using wetlands to filter the water first. As it’s still not potable, it is seperately piped to parks and community areas for watering, relieving the potable water system of considerable usage.
Managed Aquifer Recharge (MAR) has developed rapidly over the past 30 years in the Adelaide Metropolitan Area, with significant investment by the government and the private sector to develop MAR technology and increase its deployment. All MA
read about this 33 years ago: Cadillac Desert (Score:3, Insightful)
It's good to keep reminding people that the groundwater supply is not infinite and that, as aquifers are being depleted, the ground subsidence makes replenishing the supply ever harder.
I read about this i the 1986 book, Cadillac Desert. Still a terrific read.
If we don't so something, future generations will suffer the consequences. How selfish can we be!