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Is The Internet Making Us Better Writers? (newyorker.com) 165

The New Yorker reviews linguist Gretchen McCulloch new book Because Internet: Understanding the New Rules of Language For McCulloch, the primary feat of the digital writer has been to enlist typography to convey tone of voice. We've used technology to "restore our bodies to writing": to infuse language with extra-textual meaning, in the same way that we might wave our hands during a conversation. One general principle is that communication leans toward the efficient, so any extra markings (sarcastic tildes, for instance, or a period where a line break will do) telegraph that there's more to the message than its literal import. That's how the period, in text messaging, earned its passive-aggressive reputation, and why so many visual flourishes default to implying irony. Similarly, the expressive lengthening of words like "yayyyy" or "nooo" confers a friendly intimacy, and technical marks (like the forward slash that ends a command in a line of code) find new life as social in-jokes ("/rant"). Typography, McCulloch writes, does not simply conjure the author's mood. It instructs the reader about the purpose of the statement by gesturing toward the spirit in which the statement was conceived.

McCulloch's project is, at heart, a corrective: she wants to puncture the belief that the Internet de-civilizes discourse. She brandishes research that shows that we become more polite as we get better at typing. (As with online irony, online civility emerges from linguistic superfluity, the perception that an extra effort has been made, whether through hedges, honorifics, or more over-all words....) Through gifs, emojis, and the playful repurposing of standard punctuation, McCulloch insists, Internet natives are bringing an unprecedented delicacy and nuance to bear on their prose. To back up this (strong) claim, the book proposes that the Internet's informal English actually draws from a variety of registers, using tools old and new to create finely calibrated washes of meaning. Considering a real text from a teen-ager's phone -- "aaaaaaaaagh the show tonight shall rock some serious jam" -- McCulloch highlights the archaic "shall" next to the casual "aaaaaaaaagh." Such intermixing, she argues, makes Internet-ese "a distinct genre with its own goals. . . . to accomplish those goals successfully requires subtly tuned awareness of the full spectrum of the language..."

"We no longer accept," she writes, "that nuanced writing is the exclusive domain of professionals...." Her book's almost political thesis -- the more voices, the better -- rebukes both the elitism of traditional grammar snobs and the cliquishness of, say, Tumblr. It's a vision of language as one way to make room for one another.

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  • No (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27, 2019 @08:48PM (#58999238)

    Nope. Def not. Amirite?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      No. You are correct. Before I tell everyone to get off my lawn I'll say that the quality of writing I see on the internet, from the silliest, most vulgar political screed, to some minimal word "article" from a professional "journalist" is horseshit. I don't expect people to write like Milton or Keats or whomever wrote speeches for Kennedy, but the level of English prose I see here in America is so bad I don't even think it's capable of conveying a thought of any real complexity. And that's the problem. And

      • or whomever wrote speeches for Kennedy

        The speeches are the (direct) object - they have something done to them. The writer is the subject, he does something to the speeches.

        Therefore s/whomever/whoever/.

    • by Calydor ( 739835 )

      no u lol

    • Yes. /thread

    • Parent is excellent. Succinct and to the point. And entertaining.

      Nota bene: The majority of persons writing in English on the Internet have English as a second language. As English continues to evolve from one of many competing tongues to the dominant global tongue, it accepts into itself many foreign words, phrases, and non-traditional modes of expression. The ones that stick contribute new value; the others never gain much traction.

      So too with the contractions and abbreviations that have come in from t

    • by shanen ( 462549 )

      tldr

  • by Anonymous Coward

    No. Hell no.

  • Too bad nuanced writing also requires nuanced reading, and that idea does not fly well with internet nerds because meritocracymeansbeinganarseholewhocantreadorwrite.
    • Writing never requires reading.

      I knew somebody who got her English degree, and then set out to become a writer. But she kept writing short stories, and then burning them.

      In the end she became a music composer instead of a writer. I never read her stories, but I still learned something from them.

  • by blahplusplus ( 757119 ) on Saturday July 27, 2019 @09:09PM (#58999292)

    ... like anything else human intelligence and communication is subject to entropy. AKA you want high quality thought and thinking then you need to hang around with people and communities who have put in the effort.

    The reason why most communication on the internet is basically ignorant is because it takes huge amounts of time and resources the average and even educated person does not have to understand a wide variety of topics.

    Most human beings argue from feelings not facts, this is especially apparent in videogaming. Where for the last 20 years the videogame industry has been literally stealing games out from under the computer illiterate public beginning with mmo's in the 90's... try to talk to kids, teens and 20 somethings about how bad they are getting screwed and watch the hate and downvotes pour in.

    Our species is an idiocracy for the most part and those who rise above it are fully aware of the fact that they too are idiots who barely know anything. The more you know, the more aware you are of your own stupidity and lack thereof.

    • "The reason why most communication on the internet is basically ignorant is because it takes huge amounts of time and resources the average and even educated person does not have to understand a wide variety of topics."

      This is not true, however far too many people think this is the case and one of those oddities where as long as you think it is true, it will at least remain true for you individually, but not true "technically".

      "Most human beings argue from feelings not facts,"

      Now, THIS RIGHT HERE is the mea

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        "Most human beings argue from feelings not facts,"

        Now, THIS RIGHT HERE is the meat and potatoes of this argument. People just cannot get around their feelings being more important than facts.

        Indeed. Most people do not even understand what a fact is and think they can discuss them away. As if them "winning" arguments suddenly changes reality. And since "feelings" are basically low-level non-rational base platform reflexes tuned for small-group nomadic lifestyles (and badly tuned even for that), most people cannot make good decisions. And it shows, both on individual levels, as well as on any aggregate level right up to the largest aggregates.

      • You will get hated faster than anything when you show people they have been stupid.

        You will also get hated pretty fast if you tell people their leisure activities are stupid and the things that you personally enjoy are objectively better.

        That is what our emotions does to us. Right now PC culture is teaching us to let our own emotions reign unchecked and to lash out anytime we feel insulted.

        As opposed to non-PC culture which taught it was fine for us to have unchecked emotions about people not like us and l

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Pretty much sums it up. The benefit knowing more gives you (some actual understanding what you have a reasonable chance to succeed at and what not and where you need more knowledge or experience) is negated by self-confident morons getting the opportunities instead. That they then mess it up is no impediment to their success.

  • ....the answer is no. Here is an except from her last Twitter post: "okay so it's really weird but since people have started to post snippets from because internet my brain is now going "yeah that was a good book, it's been a while, you should reread it"

    BRAIN YOU LITERALLY WROTE THAT BOOK STAHP"

    Idiocracy is real. And also: just because someone gives themselves a title (like linguist) doesn't make them one.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      It is like these people want to explain their bad writing away by claiming it is good writing. Nothing new, this has gone one since the invention of written language.

      • It's worse when they try to look like they know what they're talking about and it's obvious they don't

        technical marks (like the forward slash that ends a command in a line of code)

        A command in a line of code in what programming language? None I've ever seen. She seems to think that HTML is a language you write commands in, and the end tag terminates the "command". Congratulations, not knowing the difference between markup and code proves the Internet gives a bigger platform to bullshit writers writing bullshit.

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          The only thing I can come up with is indeed that end-tag. And HTML is not even line-oriented. This person must be a Dunning-Kruger far-left case.

  • Most articles are written in a style of an endless rabbit holes with embedded bibliographies throughout.
  • Obligatory xkcd [xkcd.com]. More reading and writing can't be a bad thing, right?

  • Back in the 1980s and 1990s, Usenet was where most of the action was. It was when I started trying to communicate by text with strangers on all sorts of topics, and the feedback I got, as when people misunderstood me, trained me to be a better writer. There were plenty of jerks even then of course, but they weren't hard to ignore. I concentrated on exchanging views and arguments with the good, thoughtful, writers that were out there.

    Usenet has changed of course. I don't get on it anymore. But people ar

  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday July 27, 2019 @10:13PM (#58999488)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by DavidinAla ( 639952 ) on Saturday July 27, 2019 @10:39PM (#58999552)
    I've been a professional writer and editor in the past, so communicating clearly is important to me. My experience is that this woman's thesis is pure nonsense. I have no interest in trying to speak to the research she claims backs her up. I just know that I see people misunderstanding each other more and more frequently — and much of that tendency toward misunderstanding comes from the growing inability to write clearly. It's actually worse than that, because most people on social media communicate simplistic and shallow ideas with the equivalent of digital grunts —and then they have no idea why people misunderstand them. People who find their poorly written thoughts misunderstood prefer to blame those who can't read their minds and figure out what they were actually thinking. Online discourse is getting worse and worse, not better.
    • It could be that the increase in communication makes it true that people are misunderstanding each other more frequently, and also understanding each other more frequently.

      I see no reason to expect that you would have had a balanced experience, as it will vary by participant. And the internet is a big place. There are people who believe that youtube comments are a horrible cesspool; probably true for them. The videos I watch everybody is falling over themselves trying to figure out how to say something nice

    • by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Sunday July 28, 2019 @05:02AM (#59000246) Journal

      I've been a professional writer and editor in the past, so communicating clearly is important to me. My experience is that this woman's thesis is pure nonsense. I have no interest in trying to speak to the research she claims backs her up. I just know that I see people misunderstanding each other more and more frequently â" and much of that tendency toward misunderstanding comes from the growing inability to write clearly. It's actually worse than that, because most people on social media communicate simplistic and shallow ideas with the equivalent of digital grunts â"and then they have no idea why people misunderstand them.

      huh no your wrong

      • OK, so I swore never to complain about this but seriously slashdot, fix your fucking unicode! I copy/pasted that text from slashdot itself to quote it so that should be clean. How hard is that to get right?

    • The text of your comment backs you up: grammatically correct sentences, clearly written and easily understood.

      On the other hand, there is a difference between formal and informal communication. With the advent of the Internet, there is a lot more informal communication in written form, and it is natural that this information communication takes on a different form. Colleagues gossiping at the water cooler speak differently than they do when giving a presentation to the boss.

      On the gripping hand, I regret th

      • "the ball has been throwed"

        It's interesting. On one hand, I do think that one of the main properties of english and other germanic language is the irregularity of many verbs. On the other hand, from a more distant point of view, these irregularities just add complication without any benefit. Maybe it's better that they'll disappear, maybe in the future will call our current language "messy and irrelevant".

  • by Anonymous Coward

    ... that nuanced writing ...

    In the not-too-distant past, most communiques were verbal; face-to-face or through telephone. The written word was a formal record (which strangely, wasn't taught) of important messages. Now, most communiques are written and informal. It's normal to extend punctuation usage to provide auditory context.

    ... confers a friendly intimacy ...

    It's not all good news: She doesn't mention that only a few dozen emojis (eg. turd, smiling, crying, love-heart, aubergine / eggplant) have a word-based meaning, making those little pictures depend on, a p

  • Look, I grew up on punch-cards and for many years I thought smileys were just an affectation. But I learned they are not -- they can be an important indicator of tone in the modern telegraphic [short] writing style on many media. Arguably more important than punctuation.

    Emoji etal might not be necessary when writing at length and perhaps that is the real complaint here. But people have a right to express themselves in whatever manner they wish, not as the receiver might prefer.

    • by thomst ( 1640045 )

      redelm opined:

      But people have a right to express themselves in whatever manner they wish, not as the receiver might prefer.

      While that's true, people whose concern is to express themselves "in whatever manner they wish," rather than striving to do so clearly and effectively have to abide by the consequences of that choice. One of the most predictable of those consequences is that "the receiver" may, quite understandably, choose to classify their "expression" as empty noise, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

      Or, in other words, "a tale told by an idiot," and utterly unworthy of their attention ...

      • by redelm ( 54142 )

        Certainly the receiver may depracate a msg on style, for some other reason or for no reason at all. That is their choice. As an engineer, mine is to value function over form. I am willing to take some effort to decipher whether there is anything to learn. In this respect, a flamey post is easier to parse than a dressy NYT editurd.

    • by Livius ( 318358 )

      people have a right to express themselves in whatever manner they wish

      I find an enormous number of people fail to understand that the right to express their opinion, perhaps in poorly-worded form, is a very different thing from everything they say automatically constituting a persuasive argument.

      Consider the number of people who express a political opinion and believe everyone with a contrary idea is either wilfully ignorant or outright evil, rather than simply disagreeing. You have the right to your opinion; you don't have the right to mine - you'll have to work for it if y

  • On Slack, I mostly communicate using parrot emojis. I'm not sure I'd describe that as elevating my writing.

    • OK seriously what is it with the parrot emojis on slack? I know (well assume) you're joking but there people who pretty much seem to communicate on slack with nothing but that colourful dancing parrot thing. At work. Why why why?I don't even know what it means!

      • by zifn4b ( 1040588 )
        Party Parrot [giphy.com] is sick. Your lack of understanding is probably correlated with your age. ;)
      • I'm not joking at all.

        "acknowledged; ok" - fast-parrot
        "thank you" - ultra-fast-parrot
        "that sucks; disappointed" - sad-parrot
        "I'm confused" - ceiling-parrot
        "I'm looking into it" - slow-parrot
        "I've working on a solution" - fast-parrot
        "I have released the fix" - ultra-fast-parrot

        etc.

        Pretty clear really.

  • The New Yorker reviews linguist Gretchen McCulloch's new book ...

    FTFY.

  • Especially for a linguist.
    You could have moved the '-' from 'teen-ager' to 'forward slash' where it belongs.

  • If one defines better as much worse, sure.

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    What did he mean by that?

  • OMG! Yes im better writer imho. Wot u think? LOL :-)
  • I can haz cheezburger. k thx bai.
  • Nest question.

I'd rather just believe that it's done by little elves running around.

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