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Pakistan Bans Single-Use Plastic Bags (npr.org) 111

In July, the coalition government of Prime Minister Imran Khan, who has been in power for the past year, announced a ban on disposable plastic bags in Islamabad and surrounding areas, including Saidpur. "When the ban takes effect on Aug. 14, residents may be fined about $70 for being caught using a bag -- nearly a month's wages for a laborer," reports NPR. "Manufacturers will face larger fines for making plastic bags, as will shops for distributing them." Pakistani provinces have imposed bans on single-use plastic bags in the past, but they have faltered. The current government hopes this time will be different. From the report: According to Hammad Shamimi, a senior official at the Ministry of Climate Change, "Polythene bags have been banned. There is a provision that for hospital waste, for municipal waste, big bags will be exempted ... subject to the condition that they will submit a recycling plan to this ministry." Aug. 14 is Pakistan's independence day, and the ban will celebrate the beginning of Pakistan's independence from plastic, says Zartaj Gul Wazir, the minister of state for climate change.

Looming in the minds of environmentalists and officials is nearly a decade of failed attempts to ban single-use plastic bags. The provincial government of Sindh -- home to Karachi, the country's largest city, with some 13 million people -- first tried to ban bags in 2006. It largely failed. Then in 2009, the federal government tried to ban plastic bags that did not contain biodegradable materials. It failed. The Sindh government tried again in 2014 to ban the bags -- effectively copying the federal government's law, says Waris Ali Gabol, the deputy director of the Sindh Environmental Protection Agency. It also failed. The climate minister, Wazir, says that this new ban will be more likely to succeed because it has the full backing of the prime minister, Khan, who has thrown himself behind environmental projects in the past. Khan's political party, for example, was part of a provincial government that planted over 700 million trees for the three years ending in 2017, earning praise from the Pakistani branch of the World Wide Fund for Nature.

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Pakistan Bans Single-Use Plastic Bags

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  • Just saying.

    • On November 8, 2016, California voters approved Proposition 67, the statewide Single-Use Carryout Bag Ban

      • We could carry that stupid theme on forever. unless your year is before 2004 you didn't do it first in fact you are not even in the top 10.
      • On November 8, 2016, California voters approved Proposition 67, the statewide Single-Use Carryout Bag Ban

        Hawaii banned single-use plastic bags statewide in 2015.

        My home town, San Jose, California, banned them in 2012.

        • It made a difference on Maui. I visited there before and after the ban. Before, there were fence-like accretions of plastic bags on sugar cane field edges near roadways. After: clean. I will guess that there was deliberated effort to clear the stranded bags. I believe that HC&S subsequently stopped growing cane and refining sugar.

          Closer to Pakistan, on a visit to Bangalore in 2006, bags were everywhere on the ground. Within a short walk from the tech-plex along Hosur Road, there was a bedraggled

      • by tsqr ( 808554 )

        On November 8, 2016, California voters approved Proposition 67, the statewide Single-Use Carryout Bag Ban

        Gee, they didn't ban them very hard -- the local grocery stores still ask "Paper or plastic?"

        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by blindseer ( 891256 )

          Gee, they didn't ban them very hard -- the local grocery stores still ask "Paper or plastic?"

          Are you certain that they aren't asking for the means of payment?

          • by tsqr ( 808554 )

            Gee, they didn't ban them very hard -- the local grocery stores still ask "Paper or plastic?"

            Are you certain that they aren't asking for the means of payment?

            Not sure exactly what you're asking. If you're asking whether the stores charge for the bags, the answer is yes, of course they do; they're 10 cents each. So 6 bags ads a grand total of 60 cents to my weekly $140 grocery bill. This is what we call "buried in the noise." And that isn't a ban; it's a fee. The money goes to the store, so it doesn't get used to fight the dreaded climate change. In light of the fact that California's recent $1.00/pack tax increase on cigarettes didn't seem to put much of a dent

            • Not sure exactly what you're asking.

              It's a joke. A person can pay in paper, that being cash as in paper money, or plastic, that being by electronic transfer with a plastic debit or credit card.

              If plastic bags are banned and the cashier is asking "paper or plastic?" then they must be asking how the buyer is going to pay what's owed.

      • Re:CA did it first. (Score:4, Informative)

        by jimbolauski ( 882977 ) on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @08:12AM (#59085478) Journal
        California still allows single use bags, what they banned was large stores giving away those bags for free.
      • by Nkwe ( 604125 )

        On November 8, 2016, California voters approved Proposition 67, the statewide Single-Use Carryout Bag Ban

        Yes, but did CA (or the others claiming "firsts") also impose a direct penalty of a month's worth of wages for possession of a bag?

        residents may be fined about $70 for being caught using a bag -- nearly a month's wages for a laborer

        Didn't think so.

        • Yes, but did CA (or the others claiming "firsts") also impose a direct penalty of a month's worth of wages for possession of a bag?

          Don't give them ideas.

          A month's wages fine for HAVING a bag is nonsense. "Single use" is a handy term to throw about, but most people have figured out that they can reuse that "single use" bag many times.

          Putting a draconian fine on having a bag will mean that a lot of people will throw them out, thus increasing the number of bags littering the environment.

    • by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite ( 721679 ) on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @03:50AM (#59085162)

      That would have been last year?

      South Africa banned plastic bags in 2003 and since numerous African countries has followed.

    • If by first you mean after many many other countries did it and many other states in other countries then sure they were first. Alternatively they were very late to the game.
    • by jrumney ( 197329 )

      So that means Pakistan is only the 70th country to ban single use plastic bags nationwide. Thanks for that clarification, would hate for them to have claimed 69th place without merit.

  • I am always at a loss with plastic bags being the main evil. They never were single use, I just throw my rubbish out in a different bag. It just makes car drivers feel better.

    Personally I think a better approach is to ban excess packaging, moving to "concentrate food", water bottles banned and cars having a pollution charge parking at supermarkets. And electrical goods fixable electronics.

    Bags at best is a stepping stone, and a weak one.

    • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @05:20AM (#59085272) Journal
      Plastic bags are an easy target, banning them doesn't cause a huge inconvenience to consumers or businesses, but it does affect many people in a small way, thus everybody ends up talking about it. It's mostly an awareness measure.
      • by polar red ( 215081 ) on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @05:36AM (#59085290)

        I don't agree. plastic bags kill a lot of marine life. See for example: https://www.theguardian.com/en... [theguardian.com]

        • Maybe... though I don't get the impression that a lot of these bags end up in the environment in a lot of the countries that spearheaded this ban. There's still plenty of crap you'll find drifting and floating in our nature and waterways around here, but I don't think I've ever seen a bag. The smaller kind that you'd wrap a sandwich in, sure, but not the bigger (banned) ones: most of these are reused as garbage bags and end up in the incinerator, or they end up with separately processed plastic waste.
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by Anonymous Coward

            To a degree you're right, I think the reason you don't see many plastic bags in the ocean though is due to being relatively thin plastic they degrade into microplastics quite quickly, a plastic bag won't last long against razor sharp coral and will quickly tear apart. Those that do float around get eaten by whales, turtles and the like that mistake them for jellyfish.

            I think plastic bag bans are great, but as a diver I agree their impact on the marine environment isn't the biggest offender. Far and away the

        • I don't agree. plastic bags kill a lot of marine life.

          This is true. But what is the source of those plastic bags? If the answer is Pakistan then this ban is good. If not, then it's not helping. I'm all for getting plastic out of the ocean, but doing something that doesn't help isn't going to solve the problem.

        • by PPH ( 736903 )

          plastic bags kill a lot of marine life.

          This.

          And that's why it's particularly good news in places like Pakistan. Not so much in the USA, where we have a well developed system of garbage handling and waste dumps. Plastic bags get buried in landfills. Even the ones that are tossed out of car windows have a difficult time making it into the marine environment (unless you are on the California coast). City maintenance picks them up and into the garbage they go.

          Pakistan, on the other hand happens to be one of those third world shitholes where nobody

          • True. An American or European can't use their experiences with plastic bags in comparison to less developed parts of the world. Plastic bags get used in all sorts of ways you'd never see here, e.g. a food stall covering their plates so it doesn't have to be washed, or just serving food in them, in places like Thailand you can get beer served in a plastic bag with a plastic straw.

      • Plastic bags came about because environmentalists were horrified at the number of trees being chopped down to create the single use paper bags at supermarkets. They worked to get those paper bags banned. Supermarkets saw the writing on the wall, and searched for a replacement, and came up with plastic bags.

        The problem here is attempting to force our environmental footprint to become zero, and rejecting anything which isn't zero (banning paper bags). You're never going to accomplish that. Even reusabl
  • News for nerds; stuff that matters.

  • I think some people don't get this post. It's not "news" because people are implying Pakistan did it first. It is "news" because we're all surprised that a " shithole country" did it.

    • I think some people don't get this post. It's not "news" because people are implying Pakistan did it first. It is "news" because we're all surprised that a " shithole country" did it.

      That is your interpretation. To me, this news is interesting because some people are trying to do something positive. People who do nothing but complain can get rather tedious.

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        • I just came here to read why this would be a bad idea for the USofA. Luckily I was not disapointed.

          I'm sure if you stretch it enough, the ICC would cover a federal ban on purely local commercial activity.

          When the local "single use" reusable bag ban went into effect here, it was pushed by a large local grocery story (as part of a consortium to mitigate blowback on them), and they got a mandatory charge for paper bags enacted at the same time. (Banning plastic doesn't require a charge for paper, it was just a convenient use of the current "crisis" to save money for the grocery store.)

          What's funny is that

  • Rejoice!!! It's now raining plastic: https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
  • "Ministry of climate change", yet plastic bags have absolutely nothing to do with climate change.

    • by rossdee ( 243626 )

      "yet plastic bags have absolutely nothing to do with climate change."

      I bet that in the process of turning oil into plastic, some CO2 is emitted into the atmosphere. Not as much as burning diesel or petrol, but it all adds up.

  • Great (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Chrisq ( 894406 ) on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @05:41AM (#59085300)

    Now if they could only ban terrorism [wikipedia.org] too. And maybe the Killing [bbc.co.uk] and forced conversions [thehindu.com] too.

    But hey, banning plastic bags is a good start, maybe it will stop them suffocating young women with plastic bags [metro.co.uk]for wearing short sleeves.

    • by linuxguy ( 98493 )

      Has US govt. misguidedly sponsored terrorism in the past? Check.
      Do people in the US sometimes target minorities for killings? Check.
      Do people in the US kill their family members for utterly stupid reasons? Check.

      Then what are you yapping about?

    • by eepok ( 545733 )

      I know you're being facetious, but better is better.

    • So crime exists, what's your point? That no other things can be taken care of until your specific scenario is resolved? Maybe America should sort out their gun violence issue before providing you internet access.

  • I look at the pictures with all the plastic litter and I think that this is not a problem with single use plastic bags but a problem of not having a proper waste management system.

    Did anyone actually look at the litter? How much of that is actually single use plastic bags? It looks to me like all kinds of plastic containers, mostly for beverages and home cleaning products. What is next after this fails to solve the problem of litter? Are they going to ban plastic containers for milk, juice, dish washing

    • I partially agree with you. Fixing poverty would have so many benefits along with shoring up the economy against recessions. However, if you go to Brighton Beach by Coney Island on a beautiful summer day, what you'll see is people lounging about among plastic waste, bags and bottles, that they all bought and brought to the beach. These are items capitalists produced to make a buck with zero regard for what happens afterwards. Perhaps we can fix poverty by making the firms buy back their bags that land in th
    • It isn't just poverty that needs to be fixed, it is the corrupt governments of these third & second world countries that foster a general sense of disregard for the earth amongst the populace who are trodden by the authoritarian dictators who keep them poor to maintain dominance. The same corrupt governments are horrible at infrastructure and thus are the polluters who dump garbage into the rivers and oceans.
  • The West can feel proud it pressured the Pakistan government into something so vitally important to us, rather than freedoms or other crap.

    Your future is saved, Pakistanis!

  • Fining someone for using a bag seems punitive and counter-productive. If I have a plastic bag, is it better for me to use it again or throw it away right now and replace it with a more durable alternative?
     

  • What do you put your trash in?

  • Customer-owned reusable bags come with disadvantages that are not being considered. They're fabric, and absorb spilled juices in the supermarket bagging area which subsequently become moldy, and the mold and diseases from the home are transferred back to the bagging area on the next visit to the store. To avoid that problem, the customer must wash the bag, at significant cost (compared to a single-use plastic bag) of customer labor, water heating, and detergent chemicals. Another disadvantage of customer-ow

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