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California High School In Silicon Valley Is Locking Up Students' Cellphones (nbcnews.com) 319

San Mateo High School administrators have instituted a new policy to lock up students' cellphones. "Each school day, nearly 1,700 students place their devices in a Yondr pouch that closes with a proprietary lock," reports NBC News. "School administrators unlock them at the end of the day." The goal is to help students focus on the teacher and other students. From the report: While administrators and teachers say they have already noticed a positive effect on students, the policy has elicited mixed reactions from researchers who argue its long-term effectiveness. Devices remain in the student's possession, but they aren't able to access them, the school said. The program was funded with a $20,000 grant. The pouches have been assigned to students at no cost, but losing one will cost the high-schoolers a $25 replacement fee.

Some technology experts feel the new policy is a step in the right direction and will curb distraction in the classroom. "Taking cellphones out of the classroom is a no-brainer," said Calvin Newport, a professor of computer science at Georgetown University. Students tend to perform worse when they have access to network connectivity in the classroom, he said. "The ability to be free of distraction and concentrate on things is increasingly valuable, so it's a good general function of our schools to be a place where our students get trained to keeping their concentration on one thing at a time," he added.

While many researchers have focused on the benefits of cutting out devices from the classroom, others worry about taking away something young people depend on. Larry Rosen, a research psychologist at California State University, said young people constantly check their phones to alleviate anxiety. They are anxious about staying on top of things, and that anxiety will build up if they are forced to ditch the devices cold turkey, he added. Taking away phones doesn't work for everyone, he argues. Instead, he believes "technology breaks" are a much happier medium.

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California High School In Silicon Valley Is Locking Up Students' Cellphones

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  • by sarren1901 ( 5415506 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @07:58PM (#59111058)

    If they are that dependent on their phones then it will serve them some good to not have the stupid things. If they are restricted from using their phones, it will show them that it really will be okay to not have a phone, even if just for a brief time.

    It really is a no-brainer to take cell phones out of the classroom. Should of been that way from day one. It never made sense to let things go like this for so long.

    • by weilawei ( 897823 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:11PM (#59111100)

      Do not disturb is helpful too. And a bit less aggressive than forcibly locking them.

      Of course, that's no help if you don't want to pay attention in the first place. There's any number of ways around this.

      Needs to look locked, but they can't do a rollcall on everyone who's got a locked phone? Just "lose" one case and cut a slit in it.

      They check to make sure you locked it, assuming everyone has a phone, and they can get a listing: use $5 android prepaid phone.

      My point is, there's a deeper issue where the students will to maintain continued focus for indicated periods of time and the expectations of administrators don't align.

      • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:32PM (#59111136)

        It's similar to the problem of "class has started, please stop talking", and "please don't send notes to your friends", and so forth. However what seems different is that the students feel much more put out to not have the phone. Ask the student to not talk and they'll shut up (maybe glower), but ask them to turn off the phone and they're suddenly saying that it's not fair. There definitely is an addictive quality to the phones that you don't see with other distractions.

        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          At my daughter's high school, if your phone rings in class, you have to come to the front of the class and dance La Macarena [youtube.com].

          The threat of public humiliation is a surprisingly effective deterrent.

          • All it takes is one student to say "I won't" and his/her parent to back up that decision.
            • by Blymie ( 231220 ) on Thursday August 22, 2019 @04:32AM (#59111714)

              At which point, it turns from a milder form of punishment, to one more severe. EG, expulsion from class and being sent to the principal's office. Repeated offenses = suspension. Now parent's can't complain that their kids are 'humiliated', but of course it's much worse for the kid.

              Good job parent!

              • by Cederic ( 9623 )

                "humiliate yourself or be punished" sounds like blatant illegal bullying to me.

                That's not a complaint, that's a fucking court case.

            • In which case the student can enjoy the wonders of detention and in school suspension.

    • It really is a no-brainer to take cell phones out of the classroom.

      True, but technically they haven't: the phones are in an expensive $20k prison in the classroom. They could have easily saved that money by just banning kids from bringing the phones to school.

      • If I have to explain to you why that creates big problems in today's payphone and landline starved society you likely wouldn't understand the explanation.
        • Schools have landlines in abundance, especially in the office. There is zero need for a cellphone in a classroom.

          • Nobody said or suggested such a thing. Those same children come from somewhere and leave to somewhere, and that somewhere may not be straight from or straight to their home. They may use the phone to keep in touch with parents and maybe even arrange transportation. DOH!
            • by demonlapin ( 527802 ) on Thursday August 22, 2019 @05:47AM (#59111800) Homepage Journal
              So leave the phone in the car or your locker. No need for it in class.
            • Those same children come from somewhere and leave to somewhere, and that somewhere may not be straight from or straight to their home. They may use the phone to keep in touch with parents and maybe even arrange transportation.

              So what? I grew up long before cell phones were widely available and somehow we all managed to arrange rides, keep in touch with parents, and communicate with people. Worked fine for literally centuries. How did we accomplish such a miracle? We discussed plans ahead of time, we showed up where and when we said we would, and we used land lines on the (rare) occasions when we needed to call someone. Event details were distributed via meetings and paper which worked just fine. If my parents were picking

        • ...which is a type of problem that can 100% be solved with old-school dumb phones:

          - Have the same feature set as landlines and payphones (call, SMS).

          - Have none of the distractions (instead of whatever "optimized to maximize addiction and FOMO" Social network app du jour, you get boring old Snake).

      • Parents would never allow it. It is an instinct of parents to defend their children from all danger - and if there is not sufficient danger, they will imagine it. Parents live in a world where every man is a potential child molester and every driver is drunk. The road to school is a dangerous one, and phones offer parents some level of reassurance.

        • Parents would never allow it. It is an instinct of parents to defend their children from all danger - and if there is not sufficient danger, they will imagine it.

          You think parents protecting their children is some sort of new phenomenon that schools in the 1980s and earlier never had to deal with?

          The road to school is a dangerous one, and phones offer parents some level of reassurance.

          Provably wrong. Phones are generally entirely unnecessary for this purpose unless the parents aren't doing their job.
          A) Parents have the option of either transporting their child door-to-door thereby negating any need for a phone.
          B) Parents have the option of watching their child right to the moment they board a very reliable school owned bus, again negating any need for a

          • Parents have the option of either transporting their child door-to-door thereby negating any need for a phone.

            In many cases, exercising this option involves taking a substantial pay cut at work.

            Parents have the option of watching their child right to the moment they board a very reliable school owned bus

            This doesn't help if the school refuses to provide bus service for children who live within a certain distance of school. In my home town, a child living 2.05 miles from a high school is eligible for bus service, whereas a child living 1.95 miles from school is not.

          • by suutar ( 1860506 )

            Parents being protective is not new. But busybodies making it socially unacceptable to _not_ be an overprotective helicopter parent is a relatively recent development.

        • by Tom ( 822 )

          I went to school before there were smartphones.

          Surprisingly, most of managed to arrive in school alive, and according to rumours, many children actually manage to return home without being eaten by wild animals after school. And, imagine that, parents had no way to check if their kid is still alive during the school day - and everyone was ok with that!

          I know it sounds crazy and irresponsible, but we sometimes didn't see or talk to our parents for the entire day! We would go to sports or friends after school

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Today's parents are as addicted to phones as kids. The love being able to message kids constantly, and being in constant contact. In effect, we're raising children that won't be able to function, as adults, in isolation.

        Regardless of all that, the point is -- parents want to be able to reach their kids after school. They want their kids to be able to call then when needed. They think that, being able to message their children, somehow creates safety. In reality of course, it just removes parental anxiet

    • When I was at school there were no cell phones in the classroom period!
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      You missed the bit about going cold turkey. The psychologist isn't saying that removing phones is necessarily a bad idea, but that having them removed suddenly with no period of adjustment is.

      Remember that children's psychology is not as robust as adults'. An adult hopefully has the mental tools to deal with this kind of experience, kids may not.

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    • So true. I felt I was becoming dependent on it -- taking pictures when I should be observing, checking messages when I should be present etc. Being a more seasoned adult I imposed my own "cold-turkey" method. It took a while, like any bad-habit, but I am starting to rely less on it. At work I make sure to leave the browser closed (except for true work stuff).

      Now I know what my kids are doing. Interact more directly. I even go for walks/bike rides WITHOUT the phone (try it sometime - it's hard).

  • just wait till there is an emergency with some student being away from others, who can't call....

    get the popcorn...or the body bag...

    How about just requiring phones to be in zipped faraday bag during class? In bulk you can get those for $3 each.

    • by DogDude ( 805747 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:03PM (#59111076)
      just wait till there is an emergency with some student being away from others, who can't call....

      Believe it or not, kids didn't die in mass numbers at school before phones... twenty years ago.
      • by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:40PM (#59111156)

        >"Believe it or not, kids didn't die in mass numbers at school before phones... twenty years ago."

        Really. How the hell did I, and millions like me, survive going through all of school without a cell phone? There is *no way* that we would have been allowed such a distraction in classrooms back then, regardless of what type of distraction it was.

        And this excuse about it "alleviating anxiety", give me a break- it is what CAUSES anxiety in the first place. I, for one, completely support the idea of locking them.

      • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

        Believe it or not, kids didn't die in mass numbers at school before phones... twenty years ago.

        AFAIK, the first school shooting with double-digit casualties was Columbine, in April of 1999, i.e. twenty years ago. The world was a different place before that. So any numerical comparisons would be problematic.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Because America somehow seems to forget how we ever POSSIBLY survived without having a cell phone in our pocket at school before cell / smartphones were even a thing.

      There's a time and a place for them and the classroom isn't one of them.
      ( Neither is a movie theater or restaurant but that's an argument for another day )

      • I agreed and said the classroom wasn't the proper place for them.

        I'm old, and more than half my life cell phones weren't common. Some relatives and friends of mine died because there was no way to call for help. There will be times and places when students need them.

        • >"Some relatives and friends of mine died because there was no way to call for help. There will be times and places when students need them."

          Before and after school, sure. Just not in school. The schools have land lines, and I am sure the teachers and other faculty all have phones on their person. And there is a PA system. Even way back in ancient times when I went to school, they had a TWO WAY PA system that could intercom with any classroom from the main office.

          I doubt there would be enough delay t

        • Some relatives and friends of mine died because there was no way to call for help. There will be times and places when students need them.

          If we get that far . . . our civilization is doomed anyway.

          Having cell phones won't help.

    • Not a problem, society did well for quite a long time without mobile phones. If there's an emergency, the school should be getting the call and not the student. They are not forbidding the front office from having phones. And in any case, if there is an emergency and the student is being called then the good students won't answer the phone anyway (or probably put it on silent). After all you don't see teachers stop talking during a lecture and say "oops, gotta see who this is on the phone, it might be an

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      In the past a phone existed on a wall.
      A money-operated public telephone could be used.

      Re "faraday bag during class?" Does every smartphone get its own?

      How resilient is the average, expensive and low end consumer smartphone to been placed in a bag with a set of other smartphones?
      One smaller faraday bag per smartphone? One larger bag per class with every smartphone collected and placed in the bag?
      The one big faraday bag is carefully placed on a desk?
      How many times a day? Per week? By the end
    • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 )

      Yondr pouches are not exactly indestructible.
      There is a high chance that students already have a pair of scissors that can cut through it.

      These pouches are a deterrent, not a security product.

    • by Livius ( 318358 )

      For $20,000 maybe they can get the school a landline.

    • There is a simple solution to that. Instead of locking them away, use a tamper proof seal that is easily broken in an emergency.

    • by havana9 ( 101033 )
      In a classroom students aren't by definition away from others.
      There is a simple solution anyway. Put in the classroom a drawer unit or a condo multiple letterbox. Students put their cellphone in at the start of the lesson and retrieve it at the end.
      They could be allowed also tu put stationery and snack in. Actually at my hrade school we had a drawer unit, pre cellphone days exactly to put stationery in.
    • just wait till there is an emergency with some student being away from others, who can't call....

      No need. Those kids will survive. The ones chatting away on their phones will be the ones that perish first during an active shooter incident.

  • Anxiety... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PsychoSlashDot ( 207849 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:02PM (#59111068)
    "Larry Rosen, a research psychologist at California State University, said young people constantly check their phones to alleviate anxiety."

    I'd strongly suggest that (most) people whose anxiety is relieved by checking their phones constantly have anxiety which is artificially generated by that phone in the first place.
    • You haven't seen anxiety until one of those phones rings, chimes or vibrates a few times from an incoming text or call and they're unable to see or answer it.
      ( assuming they're not turned off before being placed in the bag )

      They'll lose their minds.

    • by Falos ( 2905315 )

      >>Instead, he believes "technology breaks" are a much happier medium.

      How about a few hours a day? Maybe use some kind of locking bag to ensure the break? Except for that break they can still facetweet away and indulge the "anxiety", reassuring our friend Larry.

      • >>Instead, he believes "technology breaks" are a much happier medium.

        Unfortunately, he is one of the (many) people who think that "technology" is "anything invented later than my childhood".

        Or is he planning on calling for "no electricity in schools"? Electricity isn't magic, it's technology....

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          He's probably just not that pedantic an used the word in the common sense, not the more specific dictionary definition.

    • "Larry Rosen, a research psychologist at California State University"

      Larry Rosen seems to be one of those guys who has made his career being a talking science guy on TV, saying interesting things that aren't too wrong.

  • I'm intrigued as to the "proprietary lock".

  • by DogDude ( 805747 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:06PM (#59111090)
    ... we weren't allowed to play with toys while in class... electronic or otherwise. I'm really surprised that people thought that it was ever OK to have cell phones in schools.
    • I don't think the school staff ever thought it was OK, but over time more and more students were distracted by them, more and more refused to put them away when asked, and it reached the point where the administration decided that enough was enough and wanted to lock the phones up during school hours.

    • ... we had to leave our homemade pipe bombs at home while in class... assembled or not.
  • "Taking cellphones out of the classroom is a no-brainer," said Calvin Newport,


    Allowing cellphones in the classroom is a different kind of no-brainer.
  • I was an undergrad when cell phones made their 2-year ascent from extravagant luxury item to virtually a permanently attached appendage. Every professor I remember having a cell phone policy at all basically took the position of: "Don't disturb others. Otherwise, IDGAF.". Having one ring basically meant the offender being booted from the classroom for the day. But that's about it. No bans. No special bags. No shenanigans in general.

    Is "controlling your own classroom" not a thing when teaching anymore

    • Every professor I remember having a cell phone policy at all basically took the position of: "Don't disturb others. Otherwise, IDGAF."

      Being a professor of graduate students is very different than being a teacher in a high school. High School students don't pay to be there.

  • The only reason I have given phones to my teenagers is so that they can call me after school if they are staying back for a practice and for safety while they walk to and from school. The phones are not needed during class and are a distraction especially with the epidemic of robocalls going on.
    My kids already switch the phone off and put it in their backpack once they reach school and text me they reached safely and they switch it back on after school is over.
    This may help kids who dont have the willpower

    • by Kaenneth ( 82978 )

      "This may help kids who dont have the willpower to do it on their own."

      Maybe they need to learn that willpower.

      But kids are dumb.

  • Students will schedule alarms to ring on their phones all day. Whoops, can't get to it, it's locked up tight!

    And unless that pouch blocks bluetooth and cell signals (or even if they do, with smartwatches that connect directly to cell towers), you can bet smartwatches will become more popular among students.

  • "They are anxious about staying on top of things, and that anxiety will build up if they are forced to ditch the devices cold turkey"

    Maybe the kid needs rehab more than his/her device.

    • Asking the right questions to many experts such as "what are some downsides to taking cocaine away from an addict? should we remove it suddenly?" you are going to find answers that sound in opposition to removing the item of addiction.

      So we have somebody saying let them get their fix because they suffer from their addiction? LET KIDS HAVE SMOKING BREAKS? If you know a smoker, they get quite strong feelings physicaly and emotionaly when they are waiting for their next fix.

  • I always enjoy a comp sci or physics lecture more when I am watching cute kitty videos on my phone at the same time.

  • by VeryFluffyBunny ( 5037285 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @10:12PM (#59111286)
    It's a sorry state of affairs when we have to defend ourselves against criticisms for removing majorly disruptive distractions in classrooms. Big tech has spent decades & $billions brainwashing us into putting all our time & energy into little screens on our phones.
    • Believable. A simple tech is sold to schools with proprietary parts and they go all in. Business is goid if you want to pick the low hanging fruit. Solve someone's problem, get paid. That's the economy, guvnah.

  • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @10:41PM (#59111332) Homepage Journal

    Too many grown adults lack the willpower to put their dopamine phone away. What chance does an emotionally undeveloped child's brain have against a flashing gizmo that is the center of their social connection to their peers?

  • by AlanObject ( 3603453 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @11:31PM (#59111400)

    Any kid I ever met would be bright enough to bring their old cell phone to be locked up, and the take their current phone in their pocket in silent mode.

    The problem isn't cell phones. The problem is assholes with cell phones and the over-needy with cell phones.

    • So, the problem is those who have cellphones then.

    • Any kid I ever met would be bright enough to bring their old cell phone to be locked up, and the take their current phone in their pocket in silent mode.
      The problem isn't cell phones. The problem is assholes with cell phones and the over-needy with cell phones.

      Congratulations on not being a teacher. If you were you'd realise the job here is not to deal with the nefarious sneak who is intentionally bypassing rules, but rather to stop normal kids being enticed by the distraction in the first place.

      No child left behind was a failure. If one or two kids want to play with phones that desperately then more power to them. But kids don't need distractions in the class and 95% of students sure as heck don't bother trying to sneak phones in.

  • I want to get a PhD in Technology. Where can I go for that? Or can I just say "Hello. I am an expert in Technology." Is the money good in the field of "Technology"? Wouldn't you want to ask someone who is skilled in the art of Education rather than Technology? I am guessing that no one was actually asked anything though in this case.

  • "Larry Rosen, a research psychologist at California State University, said young people constantly check their phones to alleviate anxiety. ... They are anxious about staying on top of things, and that anxiety will build up if they are forced to ditch the devices cold turkey, he added. Taking away phones doesn't work for everyone, he argues. Instead, he believes "technology breaks" are a much happier medium."

    it's only during school time, that is a 'break' and not a 'ditch', they still can use their phones b

  • Device Addition is a thing when it comes to phones and technology, and dopamine is just as addictive as any other drug like nicotine, caffeine, or what have you.

    It is difficult to decide where the line is. When do we start intervening with someone who is addicted to a substance?

    Caffeine is a drug that hundreds of millions of people are addicted to, but that addiction generally doesn't interfere with ones ability to function. So, we don't have laws that regulate caffeine.

    Alcohol is a drug that certainly dimi

  • If they don't learn that lesson in school, they will learn it on the job. Some places of employment do not allow cell phones. Also, smokers had to give up smoking on the job or in public places. Sooner or later these kid's are going to be forced to give up some habit except in the comforts of their own places. Might as well learn that lesson now.
  • by El Fantasmo ( 1057616 ) on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:38AM (#59112560)

    First, cool, rich, white kids had them (Zack Morris). It was a symbolic of wealth/high disposable income and subsequently your greater societal social status. Then as the tech got way cheaper in the early 2000s, many middle class teens and adults could afford them. If you had one, it was cool because your friends could reach you anywhere, anytime and you had the money to afford it. Then came group messaging and eventually the smart phone as we know it with behaviorally engineered apps and services to be addictive.

    So, now we come to a point where the phone is no longer a symbol of wealth/high disposable income; instead it is a common symbol that you are not VERY poor and without a cellular phone, socially isolated/left out. That probably does create a fair amount of anxiety among a peer group where many or most have a smart phone and various social media and messaging accounts.

    However, if no one is allowed to use them in your school then what are you nervous/anxious about missing? None of your friends should be posting much, if anything. This is all about setting expectations in school and telling parents to piss off for all the pseudo-reasons their child needs access to a cell phone in school. Cell phones are a distraction in school. While incorporating them into education can be engaging and beneficial, it's hard to tell if an individual is genuinely paying attention.

    Yes, tech tools exist to mitigate this, but who's paying for it and how effective are they?

  • by twocows ( 1216842 ) on Thursday August 22, 2019 @12:07PM (#59112814)
    I can think of a lot of legitimate reasons to use a phone or tablet in a school setting. E-textbooks, notekeeping with OneDrive/Keep/etc., possibly recording audio/video segments for really important things.

    I'm sure they're distractions at times too, but I don't see why teachers can't handle that on a case-by-case basis. It seems like it'd be pretty obvious if someone's goofing off on their phone; just take the thing away and give it back at the end of class. Maybe have a policy where the thing has to be in airplane mode during class; e-books can be downloaded beforehand and notekeeping/recording can both be done while offline.

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