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Bernie Sanders Thinks We May Want to Tax Silicon Valley to Save Journalism (vice.com) 189

Bernie Sanders may not love how the media covers him, but he wants to save it anyway. His plan involves blocking future media mergers and a possible tax on Silicon Valley to support newsrooms. From a report: The proposal, rolled out in the Columbia Journalism Review on Monday, comes as Sanders and the Washington press corps are at each other's throats. Campaign aides have lambasted reporters for what they see as selective coverage of polling data and unfair treatment of policy proposals like Medicare for All. Political journalists also cried foul after the senator suggested earlier this month that Jeff Bezos' ownership of The Washington Post influenced its coverage of his campaign. On Monday, the Democratic hopeful echoed long-standing left-wing complaints of a rapidly consolidating industry, separating "real journalism" from "the gossip, punditry, and clickbait that dominates today's news." He warned of the hollowing-out of local outlets and laid blame for the perverse pressures now reshaping media at the feet of Wall Street, Silicon Valley, and President Donald Trump. "One reason we do not have enough real journalism in America right now is because many outlets are being gutted by the same forces of greed that are pillaging our economy," Sanders wrote.
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Bernie Sanders Thinks We May Want to Tax Silicon Valley to Save Journalism

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  • Tips hat (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Shaitan ( 22585 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:29AM (#59129540)

    Calling out the bullshit again Mr. Sanders. Keep going.

    • Re: Tips hat (Score:5, Insightful)

      by sycodon ( 149926 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:39AM (#59129584)

      There is no Saving Journalism

      • There is a pathway to saving it. It means crating a secure form of funding, where true information either being politically convenient or not can be covered and reported and accessible.

        Being that Journalism is being funded by the Government, or by a Company, and its success is based on how many people view the content, it means there is effort around making the News interesting. Depending on the influence a problem is either ignored and not reported, or exaggerated to make people in a near panic. Then you

        • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

          "Then you have "News" sources are actually entertainment via its terms of use Company furnishes the Company Sites and the Company Services for your personal enjoyment and entertainment." [foxnews.com] as an excuse to give misinformation, as it is more entertaining."

          Whether in terms of use or not this is all the major media stations going back to at least the last democratic primary. I hadn't actually looked at the major media news in quite some time before that so I can't say when it changed. In the past a

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          > a secure form of funding.

          Journalists that promote conspiracy theories, fake news, and lies without facts or verification can do so with out repercussion. Before, I would avoid them and hope others would too in the hopes that their decline in funding would encourage change. As it seems to have started to work. But you want to isolate them to be a special class of citizens that avoid responsibility.

          How long was the Russian Conspiracy propped up by mainstream media outlets?
          How many journalists promoted th

          • How long was the Russian Conspiracy propped up by mainstream media outlets?

            Donald Trump was found to have obstructed justice throughout the entire investigation. Also, if you actually read the report you'd find that the only reason Trump's campaign didn't collude is that they literally couldn't figure out how.

            How many journalists promoted the racist kid smirk for the Covington kids?

            Lots, and they should have. There was a lot wrong there and that Indian guy that defused the situation is a hero. A
        • I was watching an old talk show where the guest was allowed to talk for like 2 minutes straight, straight from the hip with no interruptions or bullshit.
          Compare with today where they cut off the guest every 5 seconds to throw in a cheap joke or change the subject back to "mainstream acceptable" opinions. When you realize what's happened by this contrast, it's really hard to watch the current stuff.

      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        More importantly, what is there to save? Opinion pieces and outright fiction dressed up as presentation of fact? No thanks.

        We used to need centralized news outlets, so that people could tell the world at large what happened to them. The "journalists" would distort it, often beyond recognition, but it was better than nothing. We no longer need that distorted glass to see the world.

        And it's nothing new that new outlets are usually dominated furthering by a political agenda (whether controlled by the gover

      • Sure there is, you just have to fire the entire current crop and fucking start over. They're all idiots.

      • Sure there is (Score:4, Informative)

        by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @12:58PM (#59130118)
        go on YouTube. Status Coup's an amazing start, they did a ton of great work on the Flint, MI water crisis. Secular Talk does a good job of digesting the crap that comes out of CNN/MSNBC as does Tim Black. Dave Packman's not too bad either (he tries too hard to be impartial though).

        And let's not forget the BBC still does good reporting.

        There's plenty of good working out there, but you have to look for it. You don't even have to look all that hard.
    • Re: Tips hat (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:46AM (#59129600)

      Yes, let's have the government fund journalism. That totally won't create a conflict of interest.

      Seriously, how retarded can you get? That effectively means that politicians get to decide what is fair journalism and what isn't. In other words, whatever they agree with. That means President Sanders, or President Trump, or Congress, gets to de-fund the Washington Post because they feel it is unfair to their campaign. Otherwise The Daily Stormer gets access to these funds just as much as the Washington Post does.

      • Re: Tips hat (Score:5, Insightful)

        by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @11:22AM (#59129748)

        Seriously, how retarded can you get?

        It is actually a smart move.

        No, not government funded journalism. That is completely idiotic. I mean it is smart for Bernie to talk about socialist journalism, and raise it as an issue. That is ingenious.

        The latest polls show the Democratic primary is dwindling to 10, with the rest of the field fading below 2%, under the cutoff for the next debate.

        So it is now the top 3 (Biden, Sanders, and Warren) and the 7 dwarfs. Biden has the moderate vote locked up. Sanders is slightly ahead of Warren, but he is slipping while she is gaining. As the dwarfs fade away, their votes are going to Liz, not Bernie.

        So he needs to get more visibility. He needs the press to talk about him. And there is nothing that journalists like to do more than report about journalism itself. They love that sort of navel-gazing self-reflection. It makes them feel important and validated, and hey, they are going to get free government money too. So Bernie is in the headlines, while his opponents struggle for a gasp of oxygen.

        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Shaitan ( 22585 )

          "Biden has the moderate vote locked up." "Sanders is slightly ahead of Warren, but he is slipping while she is gaining." "As the dwarfs fade away, their votes are going to Liz, not Bernie."

          The problem with this assessment is that as far as I can tell you just made it up entirely. Biden has slipped dramatically with the gains going to Sanders and Warren and those gains have come from the moderates. The dwarves dropping or near to dropping have already endorsed/said they would endorse Sanders.

          Ultimately, I th

      • How do you think the entire judicial branch is funded?
        According to your logic nothing funded by the government can be trusted. It's all suspect and we should leave everything to corporations.

        Idiot.

      • Many ways to decide how to hand out the $. Could be based on $ of people donating for example. The government used to pay for free newspaper delivery long ago and subsidized the press with a lot of $.

        So, we are not to do anything because we government screw up later in the future?? That is extremely foolish; lets not have a highway system because of some bridges that fell down due to neglect!

        We are collapsing today in part because the press has failed to defend the democracy; a faux press leads to major p

    • Re:Tips hat (Score:5, Insightful)

      by MrLogic17 ( 233498 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:49AM (#59129614) Journal

      Eh? Everyone knows the media is a mess.

      The real news is that Bernie is proposing yet another tax and yet another government agency to pick & choose winners in the marketplace.

      • I agree with your assessment, but it isn't so much news as just Bernie being Bernie. He might be a good guy to run a small island nation with a self selected group of people. Unfortunately I don't think Bernie's ideals hold up with such a large and diverse population as we have in the US. Imagine giving the government MORE power and then a bunch of people you don't like get into positions of control.
      • by atrex ( 4811433 )
        Reporting the news is not supposed to be about making money. Problem is, since the regulations were peeled back in the 80s (or maybe it was the 70s) that's exactly what it has become. So "news" networks focus on broadcasting scandals and controversies to their viewers instead of informing and educating them.

        Can government funded news agencies work? Well, there's examples around the world, like the BBC. Some are biased. Others are downright propaganda. I'd say that the trick is mixture of regulation
        • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

          "Can government funded news agencies work?"

          If the government had absolutely zero control of the money and it were run entirely as a non-profit effort then sure. But the government would never fund anything without retaining some kind of strings so no.

      • Bernie Sanders thinks we may want to tax...
        That is how his brain works it seems, it just fills in the blanks for who to tax.
    • Another day... (Score:2, Informative)

      by mschaffer ( 97223 )

      Another day...another tax...another subsidy...another bailout. He obviously knows how to "Bern" taxpayer money.

    • He's only saying this because he wants journalism to save him.
    • by Shotgun ( 30919 )

      Seriously? When our President does that, the TDS inflicted start screaming.

      And taxing SV to fund newsrooms? Who gets to decide which newsroom gets funded? The problem with socialism is that it is nothing more than handing economic power over to the people who weren't fiscally intelligent enough to earn it themselves.

  • by stealth_finger ( 1809752 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:32AM (#59129554)
    I don't think 'we' do.
    • by jwhyche ( 6192 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @11:28AM (#59129780) Homepage

      Bernie is a loon, a love able loon. But still as mad as a hatter on crack. It would almost be worth the entertainment value to watch Bernie square off with Trump in the debates. As happy as Eris has been with Trump in the Whitehouse, I believe she would be orgasmic if Bernie was to actually win.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by dinfinity ( 2300094 )

        Bernie is a loon, a love able loon. But still as mad as a hatter on crack

        Bullshit. If you are prepared to open your mind, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

        The way Americans eat up the sensational image of people they are served is disheartening.

        • by jwhyche ( 6192 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @01:27PM (#59130238) Homepage

          I've seen parts of that. Doesn't change anything, Bernie is still mad as a hatter. Of the big three, Biden, Warren, and Bernie I will prefer Bernie over the other two. Biden has so much baggage that not even his running mate from 2008, Obama, will support him. Warren is just a liar for her own personal gain. Of the three Bernie is the only one that really stands a chance against Trump in 2020.

          To bad the Democratic nomination will probably go to one of these three when there are actually better candidates farther down in the stack. Andrew Young and Tulsi Gabbard come to mind. But both suffer from the curse of being relativity unknown when compared to the big three, groopy, liar, and loon.

          c'est ce que c'est

  • by omfglearntoplay ( 1163771 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:33AM (#59129558)

    Well, as a non-news person who has gotten old enough to care at least about the big things, it sure looks to me like journalism has become a problem/under attack. The US was based on freedom of the press... as people are lost in the world of junk news, it sure would be nice to keep the legit news companies even more legit. Not sure how he's proposing to do it, but it'll probably be some wild idea that might just work.

    • Yep yep. The US was based on freedom of the press, so we need to provide special funding to only "approved" organisations so that they'll be more free than the rest. Makes perfect sense to me.

      • Even worse: Guess what happens to the funding when a new president takes office?

        This will only make the problem ten times worse...

    • The legit news companies are the ones you agree with, of course.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by imidan ( 559239 )

      I had a conversation with a group of older relatives and their friends when Bernie was running in the '16 primary. They were all rolling their eyes about the naivete of anyone who believed that Bernie would be able to do all these things he was promoting in his campaign. I told them I was a Bernie supporter in the primary, and it wasn't because I thought he could wave a magic wand and make college and medical care free on the day of his inauguration. It was because he has ideals, and ideas based upon them.

  • by WoodstockJeff ( 568111 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:35AM (#59129564) Homepage

    If it moves, tax it. If it doesn't move, subsidize it. That is the tactic of many politicians.

    It's hard to think that Bernie is naive enough to think that bias will go away just by shoring up "real" news rooms. Journalism has always had its own biases. The reason newspapers and such are in such dire straights is that not enough people support the biases of the press.

    • The USA subsidized the free press up until Lincoln and the civil war. If I remember correctly it was about 3% of the GDP.

      The press always has a bias... and that is not even including frauds like Faux News or RT. The biases during the civil war as well as just honest reporting was too much to handle, manage, or control at the time so many foolish laws were made; some which harm the nation to this day.

      The press has become worse over time; I won't dispute that but the bigger problem is that people WANT to liv

      • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

        > people WANT to live in a bubble of their own

        You demonstrate you want to live in your own bubble. But I am sure that your reality and your news sources are so much more informative to your opinion. Democracy now? Do you also listen to CNN? Sheesh.

        >"news" from Facebook, gossip,

        Word of mouth is bad because people don't like your objective reality bubble.

    • when they're essential to a functioning society. Journalism is the "Fourth Estate". They're effectively a branch of Government. Bad things happen when you don't fund your Government. You don't get anarchy, you get oligarchy.
  • It is his personal blog now. And with a paywall! Not too ironic...

    But a tax? Bernie, you're nuts. Just stick to the basics and give everybody their Medicare card.

  • by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:43AM (#59129594) Homepage Journal

    There isn't any problem that can't be solved by another tax.

  • Tax This for That (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tomhath ( 637240 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:46AM (#59129598)

    What's with all the proposals for a specific tax to fund some specific initiative?

    If you want to raise taxes, raise taxes.

    If you want to spend government revenues on a project, present your case why that project is more important than all the other things that need to be funded.

    Proposals like "I'll fine^H^H^H^H tax Silicon Valley to pay for journalism" are absurd.

    • by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:54AM (#59129648) Homepage Journal

      Bureaucrats like to tell the masses that they will tax "other people" to pay for something. I mean, those Silicon Valley people are rich right? Lets just tax them to pay for X and Y. It won't affect the rest of us, right?

      • Tax media to pay for other media. Tax medicine to pay for medicine.

        These are political stupidities. Taxes for vital things like medicine, or speech, should not be done at all. If things in those arenas need tax money, tax something else, anything else. But not the vital thing itself.

      • Even if Sanders managed to wipe out the total net worth of the top 15 american billionaires to get $903 Billion, you could only run the united states for 2.85 months (assuming $3.8 trillion budget). The US has a spending problem, taxing more people isn't going to help this.

    • If you don't have a specified reason for raising taxes, it's pretty much impossible to get enough support to pass legislation. You got marked as a t "tax and spend" politician who just wants to kill business and take everyone's money.

  • So: the government takes money from X, devours a lot of it in sheer bureaucracy, and gives what's left to Y. Exactly how those decisions get made? Well, let's look at any government organization that hands money to corporations. Defense, for example, or many NASA - it doesn't matter: you get this lovely revolving door, incest between the government and the corporations. Corporate cronyism, or outright corruption is the result.

    The government has no business picking winners. There might be a case for creating

  • "Save Journalism"? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by DesScorp ( 410532 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:52AM (#59129634) Journal

    If by by "saving journalism" he means subsidizing CBS, NBC, the New York Times, etc, then to hell with THAT. The only way government should "help" journalism is to stay the hell out of its way and not suppress writers and broadcasters. And oh, look, we already do that. There's nothing wrong with journalism. It isn't in any danger. News companies are in danger, but that's not because the government is coming to lock them up. They're in danger because the public is tired of the business model they offer, and they're going elsewhere for their information. Well, that's tough. Adapt or die.

    There are viable arguments for taxing Silicon Valley more. Propping up media outlets Senator Sanders prefers with tax dollars isn't one of them.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by dinfinity ( 2300094 )

      Journalism shouldn't rely on a fucking business model. It is a fundamental service for society and it will not function properly if profits are its driver, which is exactly what we are seeing today.

  • Bernie Sanders in favor of more taxes? I'm shocked!

    m
  • "Real Journalism"! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Train0987 ( 1059246 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:56AM (#59129652)

    Funded by tax-dollars that bureaucrats then get to hand out to their "approved" journalists. Sounds wonderful. Orwell is laughing his ass off.

    • by tomhath ( 637240 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @11:19AM (#59129736)

      Unfortunately it's been going on for over 50 years. Democrats set up Public Television and Public Radio to be their mouthpieces back in the 1960's.

      The structure of it ensures that they will never lose control. Only *existing* board members can hire editors or board replacements; no outside influence allowed.

      The funding is obfuscated so people don't realize how much tax money is going toward funding the Democrats' message. Public dollars go to "local stations", who then kick back that money to pay for programming - along with most of the fund-raiser money; that way the parent organizations can claim they are funded by "contributors like you".

    • Orwell worked for the BBC and was a committed socialist.
  • Reagan quote (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Bodhammer ( 559311 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:59AM (#59129670)
    Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

    -Ronald Reagan
  • Letting the government choose which media company gets financial support sounds like a disaster. Not surprised this is a vice article, don't know what happened to that company it used to have interesting news but it's now owned by Disney and seems extremely political.
  • Bezos, Murdoch and Sinclair should be paying into this tax fund before third parties.

    Maybe create a law that you can only own one newspaper or television or radio station.

    I haven't bought a newspaper in probably 20 years, since the surviving local was bought, and turned into 2 pages of 1 dau to 1 week old news. 15 pages of ads, 2 pages of comics and 2 pages of editorials and rants in response to previous editorials.

  • ... we only have ourselves to blame.

    We could choose to pay for news directly, but generally don't.

  • by istartedi ( 132515 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @11:35AM (#59129808) Journal

    At some point, the Town Crier shouted for the last time in various places all over the world, and a print shop opened down the block.

    Perhaps 30 years ago, there was an editorial somewhere in print predicting that electronics would devastate print, retail, and other businesses.

    Perhaps even Bernie himself read it, folded the paper hastily with his ink-stained fingers and dismissed it as apocalyptic rambling.

    That's life.

  • So first, some of the things the TFA says are definitely true. Local media is all getting sucked up by big media conglomerates. This would include newspapers, television and radio stations. It's gotten to the point that if there's a local station that is actually local, it's a point of pride they'll announce during station id, at least on radios.

    It's also true that many local media outlets are being forced into pushing the viewpoints and editorial pieces from their corporate overlords. John Oliver did a

  • Socialists don't know how to solve problems without taxing them. Why wouldn't you just put in place a structure for content? Force Google AMP to be opt-in. Let Google negotiate with news organizations for their content.

    This idea is just an ongoing industry bail out.

  • Make a group he hates subsidize a group he likes.

    This is what socialism looks like folks. Government stepping in and deciding winners should be for you.

    America is lost, we are just sitting here in the death throws. Many young and ignorant idiots that are disenfranchised by the older idiots the ruined the economy for them are now ready to try Socialism despite history showing that is kills more, oppresses more, lies more, and destroys more than Capitalism.

    There is little wonder that this generation has lit

  • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @12:06PM (#59129914)
    The problem with journalism today is that they don't just report the news. They heavily sensationalize, and decide what to report based on their editorial biases. I almost consider us to be living in the second age of yellow journalism [wikipedia.org]. Examples:
    • Look at how much deaths are under/over-reported in the news [ourworldindata.org]. If the media were truly objective, you'd expect deaths to be reported closely proportional to the number of deaths by each cause. But deaths by drug overdose are underreported by 7x, vehicle accidents by 2.3x (even greater for car accidents when you realize most of those reported deaths are from plane crashes), while homicides are overreported by 31x, and death by terrorism are exaggerated by a mind-boggling 3900x. (Which actually plays right into the terrorists' hands - terrorists know they don't have enough military power to enact real change in the world. The whole point of terrorism is to enact that change by doing something with a social impact grossly disproportionate to the military/collateral impact.)
    • Child abductions by a stranger [pollyklaas.org] are another great example. The stereotypical kidnapping the media hypes represents less than 1% of actual kidnappings. If your child is kidnapped, the culprit is much more likely to be someone you know - a relative or an acquaintance [reason.com]. The treatment of single males around unrelated children is probably the biggest form of discrimination in society today, and the basis of that discrimination is a false stereotype propagated entirely by misreporting in the media.
    • The number of school shootings [crimeresearch.org] has actually been decreasing if you subtract suicides and gang violence. And in fact if you look at the number of students killed per year in school shootings [nytimes.com] (roughly 30 per year), it's actually fewer than the number of deaths per year among 15-19 year olds due to complications from pregnancy [cdc.gov] (41 in 2015, page 3). So if the media were objective, we should be seeing as many stories decrying the tragedy of teen pregnancy as we are stories about school shootings. (Speaking of which, if you look further up that chart you'll see that your child is far, far more likely to be murdered outside of school - 1587 15-19 year olds murdered in 2015 vs 30 per year in school shootings. When you pull your child out of school due to a school shooting elsewhere in the country, you're actually increasing their risk of being murdered.)

    Anyone reading/watching the "real" news today gets a heavily distorted view of the world, and most of us know it. If the media worked harder at being objective and just reported the news, then people would consider them to be superior sources of information, different from bloggers, podcasters, and stories you get from social media. But because they're obviously not objective, people tend to lump them all into the same category and give media stories about as much credence as the silly things they see on social media.

    If we're going to subsidize the media, then IMHO it should come with strings attached to insure objective reporting. Metrics like how many deaths they report by each cause compared to the actual death rate by those causes.

  • Bullshit. If anything it's unfair coverage slanted in your favor. Ask most Democrats about medicare for all and they will say it will just let everyone get access to medicare. Nope. It will end private insurance. Some of them want it to end entirely, some want to allow "supplementals" but the fact is I would lose my very nice employer provided insurance and get the same insurance as the guy down the street panhandling or the 30 year old basement dweller playing video games all day in his parents' basement.

  • There's a big question about where those funds should go and how to avoid the trappings of state-controlled journalism (though NPR and PBS seem to be doing a good job, they are perceived as having biases, much of their funds come directly from fundraising, and we don't know if they'd scale well).

    One way to solve this would be to fund journalism schools at nonprofit universities. This has a lot of extra benefits: PhD students would get good experience and exposure if their schools' papers were the vanguard

  • is it really independent journalism anymore?

    Sounds like Bernie wants to turn all US Media companies into the US equivalent of the BBS or PBS

  • Every problem to Bernie is a matter of taking money from Group A, and then giving it to Group B. Bernie doesnt believe in free markets and wants the gov to run everything. And we all know how great the gov is at running things well...
  • I'll wait for the detailed version of this plan that President Warren and VP Harris will come out with.

  • Why would anybody, but journalists want to save journalism?
    The sooner this second oddest occupation die, the better.

    It is just like taxing car owner to save horse-carriage drivers.

    Or tax physicans to save witches.

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  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @01:18PM (#59130198)
    The BBC is consistently the best reporting on earth. I wouldn't mind getting a bit of that over here across the pond.

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