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YouTube's CEO Explains Why It Leaves Up 'Controversial or Even Offensive' Videos (theverge.com) 134

YouTube must leave up some videos that are "controversial or even offensive" in order to remain an open platform, YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki said this week. From a report: In her quarterly letter to creators, Wojcicki addressed YouTube's perpetual struggle with troubling content and how to moderate it, saying that it's worthwhile for the platform to allow videos the company disagrees with. "A commitment to openness is not easy," Wojcicki wrote. She says that "hearing a broad range of perspectives ultimately makes us a stronger and more informed society." YouTube has long struggled with how to police and limit the spread of troubling videos, from containing conspiracy theories to stopping radicalization to limiting harassment and bullying. Most recently, YouTube was widely criticized for its handling of a situation in which a conservative YouTube commenter repeatedly made homophobic comments about a Vox host. YouTube ultimately decided that the homophobic language was acceptable because it was framed as commentary, and it took considerable backlash from the LGBTQ community both on the platform and within the company in response.
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YouTube's CEO Explains Why It Leaves Up 'Controversial or Even Offensive' Videos

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  • They don't actually leave up any controversial content. PragerU for example? Some where rubbish but there was some good economic content.
    • This was my first thought.

      Where exactly is this alleged content?

      • Re: Yeah right (Score:5, Informative)

        by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:19PM (#59134460) Homepage Journal

        Where exactly is this alleged content?

        Well this is one example alluded to by the article:

        YouTube was widely criticized for its handling of a situation in which a conservative YouTube commenter repeatedly made homophobic comments about a Vox host.

        I believe this was in reference to some Louder with Crowder episodes where he disputed the Vox host Manza's posts and did poke some fun at him.

        I"m not a huge Crowder fan, but I did watch some of to see what all the fuss was about.

        And it appears Steve Crowder is not so much a news agent, but tries to be a YT comic, and commenting on current topics.

        He did poke some interesting holes in Manza's claims and did refer to Manza (@gaywonk) with mostly the exact same terms Manza refers to himself as with regard to being a hispanic gay guy.

        Crowder largely used the exact same words Manza uses to refer to himself on the episodes I viewed.

        Other than that, Crowder said his views and Vox content was stupid and tried to explain why.

        Now, regardless of who's views on the subject you agree with, I didn't see anything Crowder did that warranted being banned or having his content removed.

        YouTube seems to often also consider behavior of content creators outside of YT too for discipline, and with some of the stuff Manza touted on social media and other posts...well, if he didn't get penalized by YT then I don't see how they could penalize Crowder too.

        On twitter Manza twitted to "Milkshake them all. Humiliate them at every turn. Make them dread public organizing. "

        From what I see of him, he's just as obnoxious as Crowder and at least so far, Crowder hasn't promoted direct violence against anyone that doesn't agree with his belief system.

        So, neither party are clear, but hey....I believe that in the US that is supposed to pride itself on free speech, the pretty much negates the "freedom from being offended".

        So, I don't see what the big deal is and neither party should be censored.

        Unless a party is promoting active violence against another party, let'em loose and have fun watching the circus.

    • Re:Yeah right (Score:5, Insightful)

      by lgw ( 121541 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:07PM (#59134396) Journal

      They seem to be apologizing that they aren't burning books fast enough.

      Can you imagine the US Mail apologizing for the content of letters it delivers, or the phone company apologizing that your ex called you? Actual open platforms have nothing to apologize for.

      But once YouTube started de-platforming the undesirables and deplorables, it can now only apologize that it isn't platforming all of them as fast as it can.

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      • Can you imagine the US Mail apologizing for the content of letters it delivers, or the phone company apologizing that your ex called you?

        Absolutely not the same thing. A human can look at a video, see that it's trash, and choose to nuke it. Very simple.
    • So, the fact that Youtube has become more censorious isn't enough for you?

    • If you read the CEO letter rather than the verge article, what is actually claimed will become a lot clearer https://youtube-creators.googl... [googleblog.com]

    • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

      And they're perfectly happy to demonetise everything under the sun, it's weird, it's like they don't want to make money, they're running around like headless chickens with guns randomly shooting down good videos.

      Their new demonetisation reason is 'repetitiveness' and now perfectly good channels like this:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoGqq0fJsDBCU3PgVX3IGsA (science and history) are being hammered. Because telling people about history in more than 1 video is repetitive!!! FML.

  • "A commitment to openness is not easy..."

    Are they an open platform, or not? I seem to recall (and feel free to correct me) that a few weeks ago it was said they were not, which gave them justification for taking down stuff they disagreed with.

    Which is it?

    • Every platform has limits. You can't dump toxic shit anywhere you please.

      • And that limit is $$$.

        Eyeballs == $$$

        When the content stops making money and starts costing money, that's usually the trigger.

        • And that limit is $$$.

          Eyeballs == $$$

          When the content stops making money and starts costing money, that's usually the trigger.

          So YouTube isn't about altruism or free speech. Should I be surprised?

        • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

          When the content stops making money and starts costing money, that's usually the trigger.

          Maybe they should have gone after the asshats(vice/vox/nyt/etc) running the shakedown on wrongthink videos then.

      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        If the limits are other than what's legally required, it's not an open platform.

        Will you be thrown off YouTube for content you could legally host on your own server? Yes? Then let's please set aside any remaining pretense that YouTube is an open platform.

        • If the limits are other than what's legally required, it's not an open platform.

          As long as the TOS applies equally to creators its still quite open. I don't blame them for not wanting hatemongers fracturing marginal groups.

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            • As has happened many times in the past, the "useful idiots" are some of the first to be disposed of once their usefulness has passed. Those leftists should consider themselves lucky. In times past they would be at the bottom of a mass grave by now. Put there by the very people they enabled.

              Yuri Bezmenov - KGB Defector on "Useful Idiots" - 1984 Interview
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
          • by lgw ( 121541 )

            As long as the TOS applies equally to creators its still quite open.

            WTF? That's not at all what those words mean. The most draconian censorship can "apply equally to creators". It's fair, but it's the opposite of open.

        • Nobody is legally restricted from hosting holographic projections complete with tactile feedback, but nobody does. If you respond "fine, you also can't do impossible things" -- you can also have an open platform radio service that doesn't host videos.

          There's always limits beyond what's legally required. That's not a useful definition.

          Furthermore, a platform is not open if, in theory, "OpenTube" exists and allows all content, but a completely unaffiliated group assassinates everybody who, I dunno, takes a

          • by lgw ( 121541 )

            FFS, are you being deliberately dense? An open platform does not censor based on content.

            It takes a more nuanced perspective

            People have been saying for decades that the reasons to take away my rights, or my property, were "nuanced". Fuck each and every one of them.

      • by Cylix ( 55374 )

        They seem to be standing behind a lot of the safe harbor acts that protect platforms.

        YouTube is trying to avoid or at least pretend not to be a publisher. They would suddenly find their safety net which they built their business on disappear into the ether.

        So they have taken the route of mostly demonetizing, hiding submissions, removing notifications and more or less requiring the user directly seek content which they deem wrong think.

        I'm not surprised they are trying to tell everyone they are being open an

    • by Kreplock ( 1088483 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @02:50PM (#59134298)
      They're an open platform when it suits them, and a content publisher when that context suits them.
      • by DogDude ( 805747 )
        They're an open platform when it suits them, and a content publisher when that context suits them.

        Yup. You get to do make decisions like that when you own stuff.
    • by shpoffo ( 114124 )

      This is spot on. They just pulled down tons of content and channels—then 1) have the audacity to spin it like this, and 2) journo and sites have the audacity to repub the headline, uncontextualized, like it is a true statement.

  • Same reason why TVs and movie theaters are filled with utter garbage.
    • Same reason why TVs and movie theaters are filled with utter garbage.

      It took me a while to see your [JoeyRox's] causal connection there. Or rather it's more of a correlation thing (which is not causation). Yes, it is the monetization of the eyeballs, but the relationship to the content providers is quite different, which completely distorts the profits. If there is a unifying theme, it seems to be the bad taste of the viewers?

      What bothers me about this story is the rationalization of criminal behavior with high-sounding principles like "openness" and "free speech". The real

  • by ToasterTester ( 95180 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @02:37PM (#59134234)

    YouTube is killing itself with it insane hassling people posting music education videos. Some of the most popular sites doing song analysis and teaching using pieces of songs are getting demonetized or taken down. It started a few weeks ago and now people talking about music creation are disappearing. I'm retired so music is my main focus now and was on Youtube a lot but in last month I don't spend much time there at all.

    To show how ridiculous its become one of the big content creators was doing a live stream and his assistant in the background had headphones on. At one point the bleed from the assistant's headphone could be heard in the background for a few seconds. That video got demonetized for a few seconds of headphone bleed. That's insane.

    You learn most things by studying previous work be it music, art, writing, and even programming, but YouTube has decided no music education video if they include sample bit of songs.

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    • Rick Beato has some great stuff that I don't know where else I'd learn that content from without a huge personal investment into music production.
    • by kallisti ( 20737 ) <rmidthun@yahoo.com> on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:41PM (#59134552) Homepage

      The pianist Rousseau got a copyright strike recently for playing a piece of Schubert transposed by Liszt. The company which supposedly owned this copyright claims that YouTube just triggered it automatically. The pianist tried to resubmit and a different copyright claim was made. This time by a company that was willing to allow the video to play, but still claiming all the royalties. To a piece written over 150 years ago.

      SheetMusicBoss had their entire channel demonetized for "repetitious content" even though it contains mostly original recordings. Youtube was at least willing to admit a mistake and restore them, but they had a decent following at the start. Someone just starting out would be screwed. All of the educational music channels I follow including 12tone, SignalsMusicStudio, AdamNeely, RickBeato have had to work around the limitations by not featuring certain artists, using covers, and simply not saying certain names.

    • but I don't see how they're shooting themselves in the foot. YouTube isn't there to teach, it's there to sell ads. They get far more ad revenue from the record studio's channels than even the top music education ones. They hyper aggressive copyright enforcement was part of their agreement with those record studios.

      From a financial standpoint I really do think it worked out well for them, just not for anyone trying to learn an instrument.
  • "Homophobic Slur" (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SmaryJerry ( 2759091 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @02:48PM (#59134288)
    How they define things like "homophobic slur" is precisely why their own moderation shows bias. In this case he called a person who self-identifies as queer, queer. Is that really a slur? A lot of people consider the Q in LBGTQ to mean queer.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by cayenne8 ( 626475 )

      How they define things like "homophobic slur" is precisely why their own moderation shows bias. In this case he called a person who self-identifies as queer, queer. Is that really a slur? A lot of people consider the Q in LBGTQ to mean queer.

      And to top it off, he didn't come off as being afraid of homosexuals. No "phobia" displayed at all.

    • which makes it really hard for algorithms. When somebody self Ids as Queer, go for it. You're not doing any harm.

      When the word is used to belittle then yeah, it's a slur. Worse when it's used to dehumanize in the lead up to taking away civil rights and/or violence.

      This is why black folk can use the n* word and white folk can't. The n* word being the most extreme example because it's been used to dehumanize so many for so long that it's almost impossible for a white person to decouple it from that us
      • by guruevi ( 827432 )

        And who in their right mind is going to be an arbiter as to when something is a slur and something isn't? What Vox did is basically define that "Everything we don't agree with" = "saying Queer is Slur".

        White people CAN use the n* word, people do it daily, there are no legal restrictions on it. Black people in some circumstances shouldn't use the n* word either, if you're going into a board room and you happen to be black, I'm pretty sure saying "this n--ger is wrong" would still be considered rude, even if

      • by Cederic ( 9623 )

        This is why black folk can use the n* word and white folk can't.

        That's a lie. Any cunt using that term in front of me gets shut the fuck down, whatever their skin colour.

      • That sounds like an argument for racism, that people with one skin color can use a word, but people of another skin color can't.
    • How they define things like "homophobic slur" is precisely why their own moderation shows bias. In this case he called a person who self-identifies as queer, queer. Is that really a slur? A lot of people consider the Q in LBGTQ to mean queer.

      The term "homophobic slur" isn't a quote from their hate speech policy (link https://support.google.com/you... [google.com]) and if you read it you'll find that the usage of slurs isn't allowed depending on context.

      • You're right, that is kind of what they said in this Slashdot article right, that they want to let certain things exist they disagree with. What they said though in this case was was "while we found language that was clearly hurtful, the videos as posted don’t violate our policies." Then later they demonetized him said ""We came to this decision because a pattern of egregious actions has harmed the broader community and is against our YouTube Partner Program policies."" So they considered the languag
        • You keep repeating that they got into trouble for using the word queer while I provided you with a link that their policy regarding slurs depend on context. You can easily find a number of youtube videos using the word queer https://www.youtube.com/result... [youtube.com] Why should I believe your claim that it was the word and not context that got them into trouble?

          • Firstly because the articles written that required a response from YouTube were specifically about him calling someone queer. After YouTube did nothing but tweeted comments were "hurtful" then a compilation video showing the quantity of times he said queer which was like 10 times and that is the point YouTube also tweeted that they demonetized him. It was a clear cause (the many articles written about it) and effect was YouTube's response to articles.
        • by guruevi ( 827432 )

          No, they thought of his language as falling within the guidelines but the backlash caused them to lose profits so they decided to demonetize because of the public backlash. If anything, the video had MORE clicks and MORE ad views because of the controversy but they decided that cowtowing to a particular narrative is more important.

          • No, they thought of his language as falling within the guidelines but the backlash caused them to lose profits so they decided to demonetize because of the public backlash. If anything, the video had MORE clicks and MORE ad views because of the controversy but they decided that cowtowing to a particular narrative is more important.

            When you make assertions like this about what others are thinking, how did you find out and can it be verified?

            You say that they lost profit even though the video had more ad views, but then claim that "they decided that cowtowing to a particular narrative is more important."
            Why should I believe it's not about the lost profit?

            • When you make assertions like this about what others are thinking, how did you find out and can it be verified?

              That's exactly the problem with YT's vague rules and enforcement, far too many of their terms and conditions and the way in which they are enforced involves YT making subjective assumptions about what a person was thinking and what they *really* meant & how they felt when they said something. Add in vague, ill-defined, subjective, and broad terms & definitions and it's ripe for abuse as we've seen time and time again.

              Then there's uneven enforcement, such as Antifa getting a pass on some social media

    • by Calydor ( 739835 )

      Wait, you say that last part as if the Q doesn't stand for Queer. This is meant as an entirely honest question from someone who doesn't actually know - if not Queer, what DOES it stand for?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Can somebody explain the current rhetorical, rather than definitional, objection to "conspiracy theories"?

    If more than one person decides on an objective, particularly if it is a negative objective, it is a conspiracy. There are unquestionably thousands of fully real, fully objectionable, conspiracies happening in the world, right now.

    What is the -implied- meaning of "conspiracy theory" here that indicates something supposedly to be rejected from consideration immediately, the specific claims or arguments

    • The implied meaning of "conspiracy theory" is that it's a bunch of nonsense dreamed up by a lunatic who has no interest in what's true and is willing to massage evidence to fit his desire for a conspiracy to exist.

      This differs from legitimate investigations of actual conspiracies, in which people impartially collect evidence in order to figure out what's going on.

      • a bunch of nonsense dreamed up by a lunatic who has no interest in what's true and is willing to massage evidence to fit his desire

        Sounds just like every media news source...

        This is why there is a moral stand to be taken against censorship. All information will inevitably come from the informer's perspective. It must be incumbent upon the informed to decide the merits of the information presented.

        Middlemen sanitizing available information with censorship amounts to little more than good old-fashioned book

    • Can somebody explain the current rhetorical, rather than definitional, objection to "conspiracy theories"?

      If more than one person decides on an objective, particularly if it is a negative objective, it is a conspiracy. There are unquestionably thousands of fully real, fully objectionable, conspiracies happening in the world, right now.

      What is the -implied- meaning of "conspiracy theory" here that indicates something supposedly to be rejected from consideration immediately, the specific claims or arguments irrelevant? Is it intended to just advocate immediate acceptance of the status quo, whatever the topic?

      This is a very good question and I would like to encourage you to stop posting anon.

      One aspect of "conspiracy theories" is that they are inherently derived from narcissism as they claim to be enlightened by special knowledge that others cannot see. A narcissist will not listen to arguments so there is not much of a point in engaging directly.

  • by dryriver ( 1010635 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @02:54PM (#59134318)
    Whether you find him comical or agree with him, radio host Alex Jones was literally kicked off Youtube - and other places. Other Youtubers in the Christian-Conservative-Conspiracist fold have been de-monetized by Youtube - no more ads playing during their videos and no more ad revenue for them - and are reporting getting constant "strikes" against their channels. So Youtube does censor and de-platform people already.
    • by radja ( 58949 )

      youtube has censored for years. Nudity isn't allowed.

    • for incitement to violence. He repeatedly used language of the "Won't someone rid me of these meddlesome priests" type. YouTube and everyone else didn't ban him because they disagree (they're a corporation, if it brings in ad dollars they could care less) they were getting scared one of his fans would go off on a shooting spree in response to a video he posted on their platform.

      Given the number of views his videos got (and the number of ad impressions) I'm sure they miss him and would be happy to have h
    • Quite a few people have been demonetized, but youtube leaves their videos up _and_runs_ads_YT_keeps_the_money_from. Several youtubers have mentioned it and documented this.
    • radio host Alex Jones was literally kicked off Youtube

      Figuratively. You mean, "figuratively kicked off YouTube".

      How he would've gotten on top of the server racks to be kicked off is beyond me. I thought they had great security. ;)

      • I would imagine in that case any competent security officer would drag him down instead of trying to kick him off.

        To get kicked off, he'd probably have to be sitting on a sysadmin.

  • We could always use him as a bad example!

  • by elainerd ( 94528 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:00PM (#59134348) Homepage

    the details of more than 112 'genders'...so I now have absolutely no ability to process or recognize 'humor' or 'comedy' & I become very strident & full of rage when anyone says anything even remotely provocative or confrontational. We can't have diversity of thought, not anymore, it's settled science. The Borg has us. If you don't think like me I'll put on a black mask and hit your wrong-thinking head with a brick. Tolerance & love, always tolerance & love.

    • by rogoshen1 ( 2922505 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:14PM (#59134428)

      tis not enough to merely tolerate someone's delusions, now they demand you play along.

      peak clown world indeed.

    • the details of more than 112 'genders'

      Nobody was ever forced to read John Varley. It is a personal choice, and should be respected.

  • by cpbright ( 4681855 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:03PM (#59134378)
    While banning thousands of voices, she comes out and says that she does not ban thousands of voices. Pure propaganda.
    • Technically, she's correct. All those voices banned themselves for not being advertiser friendly, using too much profanity and focusing on extremist topics.
      • using too much profanity and focusing on extremist topics.

        So, when did promoting, celebrating or demonstrating usage of the Second Amendment of the US Constitution (you know, the document that spells out the governance of the USA) become an extremist topic?

        It must have, with the loss of and demonetization of gun channels there.

        • There's a difference between responsible gun ownership and the need to turn people into hamburger in 30 seconds or less.
          • There's a difference between responsible gun ownership and the need to turn people into hamburger in 30 seconds or less.

            I wholeheartedly agree, NO responsible gun owner should ever even so much as point a gun (loaded or unloaded) at another human being, unless they are in fear of their lives and it is for the purpose of self defense (or defense of their family/friends, etc).

          • Responsible gun videos were not left alone. Apparently, people who are offended by anything to do with guns, complained about gun videos being offensive. Anyone intentionally watching videos that are obviously outside their comfort zone should be flagged as a troll and ignored. Otherwise, they'll flag everything that doesn't confirm to their personal/political beliefs.
            • That goes back to my original point. Guns are no longer advertiser friendly. That applies to all videos, good or bad.
              • Guns are no longer advertiser friendly.

                Actually there are a large number of gun friendly companies that love to advertise on YT for these videos...hell, I used to see a lot of them (not just firearms manufacturers, but places that sold knives, cleaning and repair supplies, holsters, etc).

                I'm guessing YT must have kicked those sponsors to the curb too?

                And thing is...they issue take down notices to de-monetized channels and don't tell them really what the problem is.

                And they've banned gun videos that show

  • a better solution (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ScooterBill ( 599835 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:22PM (#59134474)

    1. Make sure that "open platforms" are truly open to anyone regardless of the actual content.
    2. Censor anything that's actually illegal.
    3. Put tags on every video and make it so the viewer has to opt-in for each type (right wing political, adult themes, graphic violence, Hello Kitty, etc).

    The last is the most important. If you're seeing videos that you despise, then you must have opted-in.
    I sure as hell don't want a corporation or an AI deciding what I can and cannot watch.

    • Accurate tags will also help advertisers to choose what kind of videos they wish their ads to appear next to. No more need to demonetize content either.
    • So that includes ultrasound pictures of babies still in the womb right? That's child porn, probably illegal in north dakota.
      And it includes pro-LGBT content? probably Illegal in russia.
      And it includes reading of Salmon Rushdie's Satanic Verses? probably Illegal in Iran
      Reports on the rape of children in concentration camps? Illegal in australia.
      Reports of documents classified secret released by wikileaks? Illegal in the US
      Reports about the negative impacts of the colonization of africa by chin
    • >"3. Put tags on every video and make it so the viewer has to opt-in for each type[...] If you're seeing videos that you despise, then you must have opted-in."

      Interesting... but...

      Then the questions become "who tags the videos?", "what criteria is used for these tags?", "how do we know the tags mean what we think they mean?", and "what happens when they are tagged 'incorrectly' for the exact reason to steer people away and punish content creators they don't like, etc?"

      And how does any of this address or

      • The tags could be put on by the creator or perhaps the YouTube AI could put them on. If there's a problem with an obviously wrong tag, you petition for a change.
        The tags would be an issue like you said. Although I think it could be done effectively with a couple dozen tags.

        My point is that there will always be arguments about what is acceptable or not, but putting that control into the hands of the user, not a faceless corporation is better.

        "I believe something like the "Adult themes" categorization is wh

  • Crowder (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dunnomattic ( 2590531 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:25PM (#59134484)
    This is in reference to the recent flap over Steven Crowder's critique of Carlos Maza. Crowder has his lawyer ("half-Asian lawyer Bill Richmond") on indefinite retainer and actively challenging all community strikes, demonetizations, and restricted designations.

    He was one of the very few targeted creators with enough resources to challenge YouTube, apparently to such great effect that YouTube has to defend its inability to censor him.
  • by mi ( 197448 ) <slashdot-2017q4@virtual-estates.net> on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:00PM (#59134818) Homepage Journal

    It is not against the law to say "N!gger" or "Kike" — but if no one ever does, it might become illegal. And there goes the First Amendment.

    We're more than half-way there already, I'm afraid. Various people are wondering [psychologytoday.com], whether "hate speech" even is (or should be) protected by the Amendment, while others — elected officials [cbslocal.com] among them — are outright mixing "hate speech" and "hate crimes" together as one and the same thing.

    Even our beloved /. rejects posts with the N-word in them — hence the obfuscation above — though the K-word seems Ok for now...

  • by eaglesrule ( 4607947 ) <eaglesrule@nospam.pm.me> on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:52PM (#59134980)

    The blog post doesn’t include any changes to YouTube’s policies. Instead, Wojcicki outlined a new way that YouTube is framing its existing set of goals to keep the platform a positive, healthy space. She calls them the four “R”s: removing prohibited content quickly, raising up authoritative voices, reducing the spread of problematic content, and rewarding trusted creators. Together, those are supposed to help YouTube earn trust from creators and advertisers who have grown concerned by its actions (and, at times, inaction).

    "Elizabeth Warren is saying that we should break up Google. And like, I love her but she’s very misguided, like that will not make it better will make it worse because now all these smaller companies who don’t have the same resources that we do will be charged with preventing the next Trump situation, it’s like a small company cannot do that."

    "We all got screwed over in 2016. Again it wasn’t just us, it was, the people got screwed over, the news media got screwed over, like, everybody got screwed over so we’re rapidly been like what happened there and how do we prevent it from happening again?" -- Jen Gennai, head of Responsible Innovation at Google Global Affairs

  • Borderline nazis and anti-social science deniers and trolls are okay. Women's bodies? Not so much.

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