Facebook Wants To Be the Hot New Dating App (fastcompany.com) 87
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Fast Company: In spring 2018, Facebook announced that it was launching its own version of Tinder -- but designed for people who are interested in meaningful relationships. Now, after rolling out in 19 countries including Colombia, Thailand, and Canada, Facebook's dating service is available in the United States. Instead of the rapid-fire swiping found in many dating apps like Tinder and Bumble, Facebook Dating users have to tap into each profile before they can "pass" on someone or express interest by sending them a message (there is no mutual interest necessary for someone to start a conversation, which could cause problems for women who already face harassment and unsolicited messages on dating apps). The company's algorithm selects matches for you based on location -- which you verify using location services on your phone -- along with your stated preference and interests that you've indicated on Facebook. The service is entirely opt-in, for people ages 18 and over, and you won't ever be matched with your friends.
A key element of helping people get to know potential matches is Instagram. For the U.S. launch, Facebook Dating will enable you to include photos from your Instagram feed inside your dating profile, and by the end of the year, users will be able to directly add Instagram stories to Dating as well, allowing potential future matches and people you're already conversing with to be able to get a sense of the slightly less filtered version of your life. "We think it's incredibly important to go where people are and allow them to bring all of these different networks and types of content to help them get the things they're trying to do done," says Fidji Simo, a vice president at Facebook and head of the Facebook app. Even though Dating is integrated directly into Facebook's app, the company has worked to create an entirely separate experience, including a separate profile and separate message thread.
"Facebook also says that none of your activity on Dating will be used for advertising, based on people's feedback about privacy (something Facebook has historically failed to provide)," reports Fast Company. "Facebook does put that data to use though: Information the company collects on you will be used to inform future matches that it shows you."
A key element of helping people get to know potential matches is Instagram. For the U.S. launch, Facebook Dating will enable you to include photos from your Instagram feed inside your dating profile, and by the end of the year, users will be able to directly add Instagram stories to Dating as well, allowing potential future matches and people you're already conversing with to be able to get a sense of the slightly less filtered version of your life. "We think it's incredibly important to go where people are and allow them to bring all of these different networks and types of content to help them get the things they're trying to do done," says Fidji Simo, a vice president at Facebook and head of the Facebook app. Even though Dating is integrated directly into Facebook's app, the company has worked to create an entirely separate experience, including a separate profile and separate message thread.
"Facebook also says that none of your activity on Dating will be used for advertising, based on people's feedback about privacy (something Facebook has historically failed to provide)," reports Fast Company. "Facebook does put that data to use though: Information the company collects on you will be used to inform future matches that it shows you."
Meaningful relationships? (Score:2)
"but designed for people who are interested in meaningful relationships"
Whats that?
Re:Meaningful relationships? (Score:5, Funny)
That a thing whereby one person gives all of their personal information to a large corporation, and said corporation uses said info however they damn well please. Lots of people do it.
perfect match! Rubles and Zuck! (Score:2)
xoxoxo ILU
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ILUT
Re:Meaningful relationships? (Score:5, Insightful)
The relationships you have, without needing social media.
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I think that in many cases social media can act as a bootstrap for meaningful relationships (which means that after the first few months/days, facebook is no longer required for these relationships).
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But where would we post our selifies about our happy relationship then?
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Zing! We have a winner.
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More like where are they going to find people interested in a meaningful relationship because it isn't their current self absorbed user base.
However, if you are looking for a booty call in the shallow end of the dating pool go for it.
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Please don't (Score:2)
Imagine if Trump and Hitler had a baby together, this is what the end result of this going to be.
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Zuckbook wants their users to breed more to pass on the "gullible gene" to future generations.
Re:Please don't (Score:5, Funny)
Zuckbook wants their users to breed more to pass on the "gullible gene" to future generations.
I prefer the "Farmers Only" dating site.
That's a great way to get plowed.
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Who doesn't like to share their seed and go against the grain occasionally?
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Who doesn't like to share their seed and go against the grain occasionally?
I remember some of the girls in 4-H were really cute. They could also beat up many of us guys, so we had to be careful.
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Honestly the more I see from women on facebook, the less I want to screw them. This could be a great way to reduce population.
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Re:Please don't (Score:5, Interesting)
trashing exes
sharing out of context private communications
trashing men as a whole
vaugebook complaints about being politely asked for a date (trashing the rude doesn't count ofc)
posting threats to a current partner on social media as a form of coercion
contacting organizations and social contacts of the ex to try and get them shunned/ostracized/banned as a form of revenge
impassioned rants trashing strangers over minor inconveniences that people would rarely comment about
Everyone goes through rough times, and changes with life experience so it's the frequent flyers I avoid for social interaction of any type. I have so much less drama in my life that way, as you don't have to date drama for it to affect you.
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I was hoping that in a generation or two propensity for social media busy bodies would get screened out of gene pool. Now you are suggesting to selectively breed it.
If it's like Tinder or many others, it will just be a way for a small percentage of men to hook up with women that trade sex for an evening out and a meal. Reproduction would be considered a failure.
You have to dig down before swiping? (Score:5, Interesting)
Err, I don't get this. If the person they show you is ugly, fat or whatever makes someone immediately visually unappealing to you, why must you 'tap' into and look at the profile before moving on.
It's just better to scan for those you find visually appealing first and THEN tap into them if they meet that criteria.
Sure, it sounds bad to only look at looks, but for most folks that's what you notice first.
I don't think there has ever been a guy look across a bar and spot the woman of his dreams thinking "How damn...what a conversationalist!!!"
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Idk, many of the relationships that I know of that started started from "at first I didn't find him attractive but then he did/said something". This also includes both real life and people using the existing facebook/IRC/whatever to start a conversation with someone new.
Re:You have to dig down before swiping? (Score:4, Insightful)
I think in general, women are a LOT more forgiving about looks than men are when looking at mates.
Look at the Billy Joel syndrome....he's butt ugly but had Christie Brinkley for awhile.
Sure, he had other qualities, talent, wealth....but it kinda illustrates what I mean.
I think women tend to see deeper qualities in men initially than men do in women initially.
Re: You have to dig down before swiping? (Score:3)
And males who didn't have a lay for a few months are not as forgiving as women?
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Well, there's a lot of difference just trying to get laid one night vs looking for a relationship.
Alcohol is a great enabler, especially if your friends aren't watching to see who you are ending up with that night.
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I think women tend to see deeper qualities in men initially than men do in women initially.
Tinder and the data disagrees with you. https://medium.com/@worstonlin... [medium.com]
Their figure one says it all. if women saw deeper qualities than men, the graph would be opposite. If the sexes saw it equally, it would be a straight line.
And some strange stuff. Ovulating women tend to prefer bad boys: https://www.sciencedaily.com/r... [sciencedaily.com] https://www.livescience.com/20... [livescience.com].
There's a reason that some countries don't allow fathers to do DNA paternity tests unless ordered by a judge. A not insignificant number of m
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Tinder and the data disagrees with you. https://medium.com/@worstonlin... [medium.com]
Tinder isn’t really a “I want a relationship” app, it’s an “I’m looking to get laid” app. So yeah, of course it makes sense that its users, whether male or female, would mainly care about physical attractiveness.
And yes, people who want a relationship also want to get laid... but that’s not the only thing they’re after. Especially if they’re women.
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Tinder isn’t really a “I want a relationship” app, it’s an “I’m looking to get laid” app. So yeah, of course it makes sense that its users, whether male or female, would mainly care about physical attractiveness.
And yes, people who want a relationship also want to get laid... but that’s not the only thing they’re after. Especially if they’re women.
TruAnd yes, many women look for dinner, maybe a movie as well as sex.
I certainly wouldn't have anything to do with one - I never looked for a virgin, but after some of the Sex in the City numbers these ladies have compiled, bacterial vaginosis is likely in the picture. https://www.mayoclinic.org/dis... [mayoclinic.org] I'm also suspecting they'll need a bushing installed.
Different strategies (Score:2)
First and fore most, take the whole following discussion with a giant boulder of salt.
We human are among the animals with largest brain-to-body ratio, and thus our personal stories and experience will have a much larger impact on our tastes, than instinct and natural selection, compared to other animals. These are not rules, these are just small tendencies that become obvious when you crunch a lot of data, even if the individual preferences actually vary *a lot*.
Tinder and the data disagrees with you.
Apps like Tinder target a specific situation:
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You must have a weird idea what men makes attractive.
Billy Joel is most certainly very well looking. Obviously not as good looking as I am, but you can not have everything.
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I think women tend to see deeper qualities in men initially than men do in women initially.
Yes, deep wallet -- but that's actually a more rational thing to look at than just looks.
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If you provide more than a paragraph to express yourself it ends badly.
I can't remember how many POF profiles I saw "I want this, and you gotta be this and this and this and this and you should send me a long letter don't just say hi.. and.. and.. and"
I took a break from my gf and when I broke up with her... the same women were still on there every day. It was much much harder to get anyone to agree to a date there.
Never hooked up once on POF but tinder. It removes a lot of opportunity for counterproducti
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Sure, it sounds bad to only look at looks, but for most folks that's what you notice first.
I don't think there has ever been a guy look across a bar and spot the woman of his dreams thinking "How damn...what a conversationalist!!!"
It isn't bad at all to pay attention to looks.
An attractive woman with an attractive body shape is attractive because of likely reproductive success. Even if a male doesn't intend reproduction, it is somewhat hard wired into most of us.
She needs to be a nice person, but looking good is a benefit.
And before people call that shallow, they need to examine women's expectations. Tall, buffed, wealthy, handsome, take charge personality. That take charge part is mostly for dating, not marriage, though.
He
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This "off spring" theory is for humans no longer relevant, since ... hm, perhaps 10,000 perhaps even more years.
No man currently living - or woman for that matter - is dictated by his genes so much that he sits in a bar and decides by potential offsprings. That theory was actually never really convincing anyway.
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This "off spring" theory is for humans no longer relevant, since ... hm, perhaps 10,000 perhaps even more years.
No man currently living - or woman for that matter - is dictated by his genes so much that he sits in a bar and decides by potential offsprings. That theory was actually never really convincing anyway.
We don't consciously think about the details of why we are attracted to certain types. And there are a lot of outliers as well. People are turned on by what they are turned on by. But it's a little odd to think that humans among the animals on this planet are completely immune from hardwired choice making.
You're right that in the moment a guy or girl isn't giving conscious thought to such things. They just know they are interested. We don't get to reasons why until we do some analysis.
I do not need that
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But it's a little odd to think that humans among the animals on this planet are completely immune from hardwired choice making.
In most cultures the recent thousand years marriages were arranged. Neither did the bride pick the broom nor vice versa, while the latter happened, the bride usually had no choice.
I do not need that analysis when I see a tall beautiful slender woman. I just know that I find her physically attractive. And yes, women do the same thing.
Yes because you find her attractive and sexy, with
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I do not need that analysis when I see a tall beautiful slender woman. I just know that I find her physically attractive. And yes, women do the same thing.
Yes because you find her attractive and sexy, with your mind!
So we have the guy that says what we get turned on by is a conscious choice, I see.
The guy that says that Humans are all thought, genetics has not one thing to do qith any thing we do. No instincts, all cerebral choices.
Okay, you are in a bit of a minority, have a good day now.
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You decide with relatively young age what is sexy.
And when you see a sexy woman you literally shut i your min "wow, she is sexy".
So yes, it is a "conscious thing", albeit triggered by hormones, you trained for decades ago.
Hint: most males like females that have similarities to her mother (big tits, small tits, big hips, small hips) or what was en vougue on TV or in the cinema when they were 15.
The genes have not much to do with it, or we had not "en vogue" and "off vogue" body types every few years and diff
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So it appears that we have the proponent of gay conversion therapy. That would be you.
If it's a decision, it's easy to make a different one.
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So you are stating that who a person wants to have sex with is a completely conscious choice
Depends what you call conscious. Where you draw the line between "thinking" and "intuition". But bottom line yes. At some point in live you decided you prefer 150cm tall slim asian ladies over 195cm tall black africans with a big butt. Does not really mean you contemplated it consciously. But you "discovered" that pattern in your self.
So it appears that we have the proponent of gay conversion therapy. That would be y
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The ads get shown twice? Once to the person setting up the account, another for the person looking?
Its always about the ads. Dating is just the new filler between the ads.
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Same with location.
Why can I not look for a girl in a location I want to move too? Or have a 6 month job/gig?
Not that I'm interested to have _two_ accounts, one on FB to use "the app" and one on .... what was it? To host my photos, makes no sense .....
First reaction (Score:5, Insightful)
My second reaction is: yet another reason to not be on facebook. People really are OK with giving FB yet more information?
how does it handle affairs? (Score:5, Funny)
what if my wife or friends see my dating profile? how do I hide it?
Re:how does it handle affairs? (Score:5, Funny)
Well, that depends...
Does she like Pina Coladas, and getting caught in the rain?
And the feel of the ocean, and the taste of champagne?
If she likes making love at midnight, in the dunes of the cape?
She's the love that you've looked for, go with her, and escape!
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You’re dating yourself... in the other sense of the word.
Look ma... (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, because who does not want their dating life to be conducted one step away from their parents, siblings and work acquaintances.
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Yes, because who does not want their dating life to be conducted one step away from their parents, siblings and work acquaintances.
More interestingly, when algorithm suggestion end up being your own grandmother, do you swipe left or right? The old lady is quite a looker! I suggest you tap it.
The Online Dating problem. (Score:5, Insightful)
The biggest problem with online dating, is the pressure is usually on the man to initiate the communication. So women get frustrated with a lot of online advances, while men get frustrated with a lot non-responses, meaning they kinda have to spam nearly every woman on the match list in hope of a response. Which creates problems for the woman as they get a lot of advances from poor matches, so they will not respond to all the spam.
I had met my wife with an online dating site and have been married for over 12 years now. However trying to work the online dating scheme was an exercise of futility, with your best chances on getting a response is to respond to a new profile in under 24 hours after a creation, otherwise the woman will be spammed by others and all further communications will be ignored. I also hated doing this as well because I had to do all the advertising and making myself look great, trying to make a custom response for every profile. All just for a response back where we can actually communicate even without a date or hookup.
Re:The Online Dating problem. (Score:5, Insightful)
The biggest problem with online dating, is the pressure is usually on the man to initiate the communication. So women get frustrated with a lot of online advances, while men get frustrated with a lot non-responses, meaning they kinda have to spam nearly every woman on the match list in hope of a response. Which creates problems for the woman as they get a lot of advances from poor matches, so they will not respond to all the spam.
Don't they have dating apps now where the woman has to initiate the conversation? Not only are men not expected to start it, they're not able to. If I found myself single in the era of online-dating, I think those would be the first apps I would try. Women are more picky when it comes to partners, so it makes sense they do the initial selecting.
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Bumble works the way you mentioned, after a mutual match the woman has to send the first message. I think she has a day or two to do so and then the match disappears.
These dating apps are just a numbers game though, way worse than in real life. People tend to assume that they're looking at profiles of real people, but there's a ton of bots/fake accounts. Depending on the app they can be easy to spot. For example, on OKCupid they will have answered the minimum number of questions in order to post a prof
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The biggest problem with online dating, is the pressure is usually on the man to initiate the communication. So women get frustrated with a lot of online advances, while men get frustrated with a lot non-responses, meaning they kinda have to spam nearly every woman on the match list in hope of a response..
We have to face it - there is unrealistic expectations by a lot of women. In today's world, women have become virtually unapproachable. The male is skirting a sexual harassment charge - if she isn't attracted to him. But if she is attracted to him, it's great.
So places like Tinder were an effort to allow the guy to have a non-threatening way to signify interest without getting the legal system or #metoo involved.
But! Now the woman expects to only get online responses from men she approves of. The proble
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Your argument is approaching incel Territory.
Biologically and culturally woman have to be more selective, as childbirth creates more risk to the woman. So they need to try to find the best choice.
However if there are mechanisms where woman are encouraged to initiate contact, or perhaps get it to a point where ideal either side can initiate contact without it being a taboo.
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Your argument is approaching incel Territory.
Perhaps, but Olsoc also makes some good points.
In American society now, straight men are generally guilty until proven innocent.
And just for clarification, I am a liberal who supports most of the "planks" of the Feminist agenda like equal pay, reproductive rights, etc;
I think men who abuse women emotionally, stalk them online or IRL are fucking weak and disgusting.
But with that being said I also have noticed in the last 5-10 years or so a general disdain and condemnation of straight men. Especial
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Your argument is approaching incel Territory.
Perhaps, but Olsoc also makes some good points.
Thank you.
In American society now, straight men are generally guilty until proven innocent.
When you see the damage that #metoo, and #believeher have done, with the trial by social media and the utter rejection of due process - you are exactly correct. It is easy to find false rape allegations, which shows exactly why due process is needed. A falsely accused male can avoid jail, but his career, marriage and reputation is finished.
And just for clarification, I am a liberal who supports most of the "planks" of the Feminist agenda like equal pay, reproductive rights, etc;
Sure. When all of the factors are taken into account. Pay equity is a better term. though. Where is the line drawn? Should a woman who just starts in a job be p
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Your argument is approaching incel Territory.
And yet, that is innacurate As anything. I am not celibate, so can't be involentarily so.
Biologically and culturally woman have to be more selective, as childbirth creates more risk to the woman. So they need to try to find the best choice.
No kidding. Even though many believe that women are the permanent victims, all mating decisions are made by the woman - at least in Western society. No doubt there are arranged marriages.
But I stand by my statement that women have become unapproachable. Back in the day, I would ask a woman out, and if she said no, I'd move on. If I were single today, there is no way I would approach a woman in person, other than ones
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You can use all of the pejoratives you wish, but I wonder how many men would ever say "The most important thing to me is a woman that has had as many sexual partners as possible." Wrong. I consider such women as tramps. My guess is most men do. That's not being MGTOW or Incel.
If you are interested in that topic, as a research hobby, visit www.okcupid.com, and you will quickly realize that your idea bout that is completely wrong.
The sad(?) truth is: being 50 and having about 20 ore more sex partners only mak
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You can use all of the pejoratives you wish, but I wonder how many men would ever say "The most important thing to me is a woman that has had as many sexual partners as possible." Wrong. I consider such women as tramps. My guess is most men do. That's not being MGTOW or Incel. If you are interested in that topic, as a research hobby, visit www.okcupid.com, and you will quickly realize that your idea bout that is completely wrong.
The sad(?) truth is: being 50 and having about 20 ore more sex partners only makes you more stupid in believing: the next one is the right one, the one I spent the rest of my life with. (In other words: no one cares how many sex partners the other one had before - if you do, you have a strange kind of mental disability - but well, I live in Europe)
Ah, yes, the superior European card gets played. I'll be polite though, because it isn't germane to the topic.
A woman that has had a lot of sexual partners has had a lot of sexual partners for a reason. Most likely because she likes a lot of sexual partners. Perhaps she is naive, there might be some other reasons like engaging in sex for money as well.
But what you do know is that she has no problem with engaging in sex with people without commitment. It really isn't likely that she is going to stop tha
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But what you do know is that she has no problem with engaging in sex with people without commitment. It really isn't likely that she is going to stop that just because you married her.
That is nonsense.
As I pointed out before: she perhaps always was fully committed and assumed the other one was, too.
I guess you categorize exclusivity and fidelity as a mental illness. Must be a European thing.
Yes, demanding from woman what you yourself would never do, is a mental illness.
You think you are "normal" if you have
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But what you do know is that she has no problem with engaging in sex with people without commitment. It really isn't likely that she is going to stop that just because you married her. That is nonsense.
As I pointed out before: she perhaps always was fully committed and assumed the other one was, too.
I guess you categorize exclusivity and fidelity as a mental illness. Must be a European thing. Yes, demanding from woman what you yourself would never do, is a mental illness.
Excuse me? Have you read my comments, or are you one of those stable sane people that have arguments in their head with people and you make up shit?
I've already noted that I don't insist on some sort of purity from my mate.
And where did you get the idea that I practiced promiscuity?
But if you don't understand the difference between having a few sexual partners, and being a promiscous person that is happy to fall into bed with anyone, that, added to your apparent mental arguments that aren't based on
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But if you don't understand the difference between having a few sexual partners, and being a promiscous person that is happy to fall into bed with anyone
I understand that quite perfectly.
A person who thinks s/he has found the right partner and separates a year later is promiscous.
A person who thinks s/he has found the right partner and stays with him/her ten years is less promiscous.
A person who thinks s/he has found the right partner and stays for the rest of their lives (for what ever reason) is holy.
Sorr
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My guess is that since most women don't want to approach men first, Tinder and other dating sites should institute a "Do not allow communication" button to press to allow only men they preselect to approach them.
I suspect this will lead to a "Where have all the good men gone" situation though.
I've never used Tinder so I'm probably wrong, but I thought both parties had to right-swipe each other before they could communicate. Is that not how it works? Anyone can contact anyone?
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My guess is that since most women don't want to approach men first, Tinder and other dating sites should institute a "Do not allow communication" button to press to allow only men they preselect to approach them.
I suspect this will lead to a "Where have all the good men gone" situation though.
I've never used Tinder so I'm probably wrong, but I thought both parties had to right-swipe each other before they could communicate. Is that not how it works? Anyone can contact anyone?
It's complicated.
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In today's world, women have become virtually unapproachable. The male is skirting a sexual harassment charge ... in the rest of the world you can approach anyone you like and s/he can reject anyone without involving a court.
In gods own country
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However trying to work the online dating scheme was an exercise of futility, with your best chances on getting a response is to respond to a new profile in under 24 hours after a creation, otherwise the woman will be spammed by others and all further communications will be ignored. I also hated doing this as well because I had to do all the advertising and making myself look great, trying to make a custom response for every profile. All just for a response back where we can actually communicate even without a date or hookup.
Companies like Match that make money on this know this all too well. They count on it.
The pay to play online dating sites are created to constantly get you almost there, but just barely out of reach. Profiles are turned on an off, some are real, some aren't, emails to your linked email account don't show up, etc; It is a world of illusion.
It would be interesting to hear from someone with insider knowledge of how they game the system to keep people paying the subscription.
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hahahaha tee hee hee hohoho muah ha! haha... oh hahahaha tee hee hee hohoho muah ha! haha
Never dated an app (Score:4, Funny)
Do they really expect me to date an app ?
Ok, here we go: It was compiled on 06/Sep/2019 from commit f1d2d2f924e986ac86fdf7b36c94bcdf32beec15.
Next, radio carbon dating.
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The app is under 18 and you publicly dated it, please turn yourself in to the authorities.
Would you want to date someone ... (Score:2)
stupid enough to be signed up to facebook ? People have many attributes: some you rate positive, others negative. Being active on facebook is, for me, a negative - for so many reasons.
Why not? (Score:2)
It's already got a billion fake profiles with pictures of models as the profile picture, so it's already 95% of the way toward being just like every other dating app.
trusting Facebook ? really ? (Score:3, Insightful)
Tapping? (Score:2)
Facebook Dating users have to tap into each profile before they can "pass" on someone or express interest
Tapping a woman has other connotations. Couldn't they call it something less suggestive? Maybe "drill". Ahhh, never mind.
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Tired of fucking the users (Score:2)
Let the users fuck each other... Facebook may watch tho.
Of course, fb (Score:2)
Yes, Facebook for dating: when you want to get laid by someone who doesn't get out much, lives for cat pictures and conspiracy theories, and doesn't give a shit about their own or others privacy.
On a tangent, this is like the fifth subject on today's page that shows me it has precisely 58 comments. Coincidence or what?
Just business and you are the product (Score:1)
Have been using Facebook for this before... (Score:2)
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Facebook usually take care more about their virtual relationships rather than real ones, so trying to date them is usually a waste of time.
And how do you know that when your FB profile is fake and you never ever interacted with any other FB user?