Richard Stallman Defies Push By 27 GNU Project Developers To End His Leadership (zdnet.com) 387
"27 GNU project maintainers and developers have signed on to a joint statement asking for Richard Stallman to be removed from his leadership role at GNU," writes Slashdot reader twocows.
The statement argues that "Stallman's behavior over the years has undermined a core value of the GNU project: The empowerment of all computer users. GNU is not fulfilling its mission when the behavior of its leader alienates a large part of those we want to reach out to."
The Register reports: The GNU maintainer memo follows a statement issued by the Free Software Foundation on Sunday. The FSF said that because Stallman founded the GNU Project and the FSF, and until recently had led both, the relationship between the two organizations remains in flux. "Since RMS resigned as president of the FSF, but not as head of GNU, the FSF is now working with GNU leadership on a shared understanding of the relationship for the future," the FSF said.
Matt Lee, a free and open-source software developer and one of the 18 [now 27] signatories of the joint statement, said that the two organizations have been intertwined for so long -- the FSF provides GNU with financial, technical, and promotional assistance -- that their relationship is confusing. "For example, the GNU GPL is published by the FSF, not GNU," Lee said. "Key infrastructure that GNU relies on is owned by the FSF, and used by GNU and non-GNU projects alike."
ZDNet reports: Stallman's only comment on this situation so far has been: "As head of the GNU Project, I will be working with the FSF on how to structure the GNU Project's relationship with the FSF in the future."
LWN.net notes that the next day Stallman issued an additional statement: As Chief GNUisance, I'd like to reassure the community that there won't be any radical changes in the GNU Project's goals, principles and policies.
I would like to make incremental changes in how some decisions are made, because I won't be here forever and we need to ready others to make GNU Project decisions when I can no longer do so. But these won't lead to unbounded or radical changes.
But the Register notes that Stallman's personal web site has also changed the first headline across the top of its page. It used to promote the Free Software Foundation's giving guide, saying "If you participate in the commercial ritual of end-of-the-year presents, please avoid the digital products that would mistreat the people you give them to."
It nows says: I continue to be the Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project.
I do not intend to stop any time soon.
The statement argues that "Stallman's behavior over the years has undermined a core value of the GNU project: The empowerment of all computer users. GNU is not fulfilling its mission when the behavior of its leader alienates a large part of those we want to reach out to."
The Register reports: The GNU maintainer memo follows a statement issued by the Free Software Foundation on Sunday. The FSF said that because Stallman founded the GNU Project and the FSF, and until recently had led both, the relationship between the two organizations remains in flux. "Since RMS resigned as president of the FSF, but not as head of GNU, the FSF is now working with GNU leadership on a shared understanding of the relationship for the future," the FSF said.
Matt Lee, a free and open-source software developer and one of the 18 [now 27] signatories of the joint statement, said that the two organizations have been intertwined for so long -- the FSF provides GNU with financial, technical, and promotional assistance -- that their relationship is confusing. "For example, the GNU GPL is published by the FSF, not GNU," Lee said. "Key infrastructure that GNU relies on is owned by the FSF, and used by GNU and non-GNU projects alike."
ZDNet reports: Stallman's only comment on this situation so far has been: "As head of the GNU Project, I will be working with the FSF on how to structure the GNU Project's relationship with the FSF in the future."
LWN.net notes that the next day Stallman issued an additional statement: As Chief GNUisance, I'd like to reassure the community that there won't be any radical changes in the GNU Project's goals, principles and policies.
I would like to make incremental changes in how some decisions are made, because I won't be here forever and we need to ready others to make GNU Project decisions when I can no longer do so. But these won't lead to unbounded or radical changes.
But the Register notes that Stallman's personal web site has also changed the first headline across the top of its page. It used to promote the Free Software Foundation's giving guide, saying "If you participate in the commercial ritual of end-of-the-year presents, please avoid the digital products that would mistreat the people you give them to."
It nows says: I continue to be the Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project.
I do not intend to stop any time soon.
Witch hunt (Score:5, Insightful)
Thanks due to the crazy, power-hungry and useless SJWs...
Re:Witch hunt (Score:4, Insightful)
Funny, how YOU are more of what you hate. (Score:2)
You say you hate bigoted sexist hateful $whatever people.
And HENCE, you not only behave exactly like the worst kind of strawman enemy stereotype that you can imagine... you actually TOP that!
Look into the abyss. And see your own grimace reflecting.
Take down yourselves, if you want to retain any consistency.
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Hard to do, when you're too ashamed to speak out loud and with your own name.
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P.S. This is an idiotic line of discussion.
Re: privelidge hunt (Score:5, Insightful)
As RMS demonstrates Millennials have made public non-anon speech dangerous. If you disagree with the millennial groupthink they will cancel you with great vengeance and infinite satisfaction. They don't feel pity or sympathy or compassion for anyone who is not oneofus and they will not hesitate for a second to cancel anyone who they see as an enemy. If you refuse to be assimilated into their group consciousness they will attack and at least try to destroy you. Only de-anonymized people with something to lose though are vulnerable to their borg-like power though. So it is intelligence and not shame that causes people to be anon when fighting the millennial borg-groupthink-entity.
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No bullying like calling somebody a bully.
That is the ultimate stupidest possible comment to make. Congratulations, you win a damaged brain and a life of anguish.
*trollface.gif*
The only accurate thing you said.
Re:SJWs always lie, and SJWs always double down (Score:4, Informative)
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Your link goes to an excerpt from a book by Vox Day, a white supremacist. Wikipedia details his activities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Check out the shit he posts on his blog: https://voxday.blogspot.com/20... [blogspot.com]
"we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children"
I'd steer clear of that guy if I were you.
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You're flatly wrong, the link is a condensed set of recommendations and advice, not an except from the book,. As I recall, it was published before the first book.
To quote Vox Day, you're committing the genetic fallacy, assuming that because Red Man Bad, nothing he says is worth listening to. He's of Native American and Mexican descent and identifies as the former, definitely doesn't support white *supremacism*, as you'd know if you skimmed his postings on East Asians, the area about which he got his colle
Re:SJWs always lie, and SJWs always double down (Score:5, Informative)
It says right on the first page that can you distribute it as long as you cite the source, which is his book.
"Why do you object to this"
Because it's literally the 14 words: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Do you know what an excerpt is? Check your dictionary. It's saying that it's lifted verbatim from the book.
"I repeat, why do you object to them?"
Because they were coined by and are used by white supremacists who want to commit genocide. Against me.
There's nothing wrong with being any race or having any skin tone (except blue, in that case seek medical attention) but the 14 words are saying it's not okay to be not white, because that threatens the pure Aryan race.
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Re:Witch hunt (Score:5, Insightful)
Most SJWs are just sheeple who think they are doing the right thing. The SJWs, leading the parade are something else entirely, generally speaking hugely under performing narcissists who can only get ahead via this corruption of social activism.
They will lie, change their story and even when you prove their lie is a lie they will continue to lie to your face. They will routinely gang up with the lies, many repeating the same lies over and over again. They lack competence to do anything else.
Stallman is right to stand up for himself and challenge them and their nonsense. https://gnu.support/richard-st... [gnu.support]
I have to go with, does a good job fine, says silly shite without clarification, well talk to him about it and that is pretty much as far as it goes. Opinions are free no one has the right to take them away and those 27 people can fuck right off.
Politics (Score:5, Insightful)
Man, when I was young I was so anxious to "get to the future", i had so much high hopes... then when we're finally here...we got Lennart Pottering or whatever his fucking name is.
Re:Politics (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't get this at all. Maybe i'm getting old, don't know, but these 27 need to do more programming and less politics.
Seems to me RMS needs to be doing more programming and less politics. How's HURD these days? I'm willing to bet those 27 contribute a hell of a lot more than RMS does.
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What program is RMS most famous for? Seems like he was always on the political side of GNU, but now most of the debates are over.
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What program is RMS most famous for? Seems like he was always on the political side of GNU, but now most of the debates are over.
Mostly emacs IMHO. I dunno, he did a lot 20-30 years ago. He's been coasting on his MIT career for a long time.
Re:Politics (Score:4, Insightful)
He actually serves a useful function as the evangelist for the open source software movement and GPL. That's really been his career for the past thirty(?) years.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any input to the compiler group (which is the only significant development project that may still be associated with GNU). And frankly, I'd prefer it stay that way.
Re:Politics (Score:5, Insightful)
HEADDESK
A perfect display of why RMS is still important and his work remains undone. if you identify him as an "open source" rather than "free software" evangelist.
Re:Politics (Score:4, Interesting)
If you mean ITS PDP-10 EMACS, he had a hand in inventing it, and then ran with it and made it great. If you mean Gnu Emacs, it's an unauthorized fork of James Gosling's Emacs, he's lucky the licencees of the latter knew from hard experience that a lawsuit would harm everyone. That's his most questionable act of governance in GNU/FSF, it could have killed it in its cradle.
Re:Politics (Score:5, Informative)
If you mean Gnu Emacs, it's an unauthorized fork of James Gosling's Emacs
There was one file that was forked, and when James Gosling complained, it was replaced in a more efficient way.
Re:Politics (Score:5, Insightful)
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That extremely clever redisplay code from an era when 1200 baud modems were the fast ones, and that speed was also a common default for direct links, computer to terminal. Connection speeds were significantly faster when that code was replaced.
Buffer handling code is what implements the buffer gap system used in ITS and Gnu Emacs, which on its face seems to be a silly and computationally expensive approach, but turns out to be a lot better than breaking out each line and linking them together.
Re:Politics (Score:5, Informative)
He wrote the majority of the GNU C Compiler, back when it was just a C compiler.
That's rather significant.
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I'd be shocked if there was still a section of code he could claim as contributor.
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Re:Politics (Score:5, Insightful)
That's insignificant. Had there not been the GNU C Compiler, there would not have been the GNU Compiler Collection; the other compilers (for C++ and Objective C) came about because GCC was Free software which other companies had built alternative front-ends for, and therefore had to release under GPL terms or not distribute at all.
For better or worse, rms is entirely responsible for GCC.
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I don't think the importance of GCC can be underestimated. Without it we would probably still be stuck having to pay for high quality compilers. Instead the benchmark by which all others are judged is Free.
It opened up so many platforms that would otherwise have remained closed simply because writing software for them was so expensive.
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MIT is not White House. They don't have cadre of interns willing to work for no money (and I guess willing to be sexually harassed, too, for the privilege of putting that on their resume).
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Interns work at companies, or in the government, while also being students, and get class credit for their work.
Unsurprisingly, when doing the same sort of work at a University you're called a "student." Usually that would be a "grad student."
That's what interns are doing the other 12 hours of the day.
In this case, I think it included both students and professors, but most of them don't have wikipedia pages. Their names were: Jack Davidson, Christopher Fraser, Paul Rubin, and Leonard Tower.
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but these 27 need to do more programming and less politics.
Its the GNU organization, famous for their almost operating system, GNU HURD. (Is the GNU compiler project still under the direct aegis of the GNU organization?) It would seem contradictory to their nature not to be submitting petitions.
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Re:Politics (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm old too. I have never once seen a programming thread, open source thread or general tech thread on any newsgroup, forum or chat group that didn't devolve into a political rant about someone else's choices within 3 posts. Heck, you couldn't even make it 3 sentences without bringing SystemD in to piss on it. Or does it not occur to you that sort of thing is political?
Objectively regarding RMS and this current situation, I would say that these maintainers have been wanting to get rid of his scruffy neckbeard for years and this situation is just the public face for it. That he can't get a majority to back him kind of says a lot about RMS as a manager of people vs politics. Make no mistake, his position at FSF/GNU has been all about politics and pushing his own vision of socialized software development for decades. Who knows how many projects he's killed because they didnt' meet his beliefs. Maybe if he'd done more cooperation instead of chastising over the years, he could have sped up OS adoption in corporations. Who can say.
Regardless, these people want him gone and if you think it's because of this one event then you're quite mistaken. He's managed to lose their support and turn them against him and that sort of thing takes years of effort.
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Trans people are some of the nuttiest Very Online people. It's fundamentally a mental illness, and it usually comes with others. I think they should be left alone to live their lives, transition (if they can pay for it, or it's indicated for mental health which sometimes it is), not be abused, etc... I'll even use their preferred pronouns in a polite setting. I don't think men should be in women's sports, but that's about my only real issue.
But I would not want to be around them much, they are crazier than
Re:Politics (Score:5, Insightful)
I actually know several trans-people myself, IRL, and not the kind who very much care about this social media crap, and I find them quite sane.
Perhaps it has something to do with "being loud on internet", not so much on what exactly someone is being loudest about. It's always the loudest that are the craziest, and you can find them pretty much in any groups.
Re:Politics (Score:5, Interesting)
Pretty much by definition it's the ones who are observably crazy that we notice, including all the damage they cause.
When Walter Carlos of electronic music fame revealed in 1979 that she had been Windy Carlos for many years, nobody cared, as she later said, "The public turned out to be amazingly tolerant or, if you wish, indifferent ... There had never been any need of this charade to have taken place. It had proven a monstrous waste of years of my life."
America has a very long "live and let live" tradition in opposition to for example the Yankees, the problem's we're having now are from those who follow the model of the former, best described as "a segment of the American population that derives their sense of purpose from beating the sin, real or imagined, out of their fellow man." (Dr. Clyde Wilson)
Sorry, American here (Score:4, Insightful)
In some pockets of California & New York and a few liberal cities we live and let live. In parts elsewhere just looking a bit queer can get you killed. And those parts aren't tiny enclaves, they're entire cites and in some cases states.
I guess what I'm saying is this: When a trans person gets a bit noisy about the subject I can't really blame them. Not given what I've seen them go through in my lifetime.
Re:Politics (Score:4, Interesting)
Trans people are some of the nuttiest Very Online people.
That's a very vicious, bigoted thing to say, on par with calling black people mentally inferior or criminals, or Romanii as thieves.
It's fundamentally a mental illness, and it usually comes with others.
Another vicious, ignorant, and unqualified statement to make, on par with treating Alan Turing as a mentally ill degenerate.
That one nutty Code of Conduct trans person is a prime example, Emeka whatsherface. In general, let them into your lives, your company, or your open source project at your own peril.
This sadly does have a grain of correlation (which is still not causality). But its bigoted to suggest all trans people are cancerous parasites and SJWs. You can simply point out that all SJWs are cancerous parasites without associating them with a minority class.
Re:Politics (Score:4)
I still internally worry about their state of mind... I don't think trans is a healthy solution to their problem until we can get to a point scientifically where you can actually change someone's biology rather than just their appearance and hormones. CRISPR and future developments around it or related to it might help us get to that point. But I largely keep those concerns to myself unless solicited. For the ones who have already undergone some kind of physical modification, it won't help them any, and for the ones who haven't, I'm sure they've heard it before and are aware.
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Interesting argument but the whole point of GNU is the shared nature of it. As an organisation it exists to help people cooperate towards a goal and invited those people to become invested in it for the benefit of all.
Unlike Blizzard's tournament that is pure marketing for the game, when you boil it down.
Which was my point. Surely the people involved, the people who contributed to GNU, have more right to make their opinions known than customers of Blizzard.
Note I think they should both be allowed to make th
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What's interesting is you're clearly informed on the matter and yet somehow utterly fail to see that these are both the same issue: Not capitulating to authoritarian marxists and their ideological fascism.
Then again a core part of your ideology is practicing Doublethink and Blackwhite as Orwell would call it.
Re: Politics (Score:3)
The Blizzard story is a case of the masses fighting against totalitarianism.
The story here, of the fatwa against St Richard, is a case of a small clique fighting _for_ totalitarianism.
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Dear Sandy Ass,
Project maintainers don't need to fork anything. They're the ones in charge. If they left GNU, it would be RMS who would need to find somebody to do a fork, and the already-maintained project would still be the mainline.
So... not to be "that guy", but... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's time for this nonsensical witch hunt to end. The recent ZDnet article once again repeated the nonsense that Stallman defended a "sexual abuser", which is a shamefully mealy-mouthed way of either calling Marvin Minsky a sexual abuser (which, judging by the number of people who knew him and think it's nonsense, is probably nonsense), or he's saying Stallman defended Epstein, which is something that anyone who did their research and went and read the emails for themselves knows absolutely did not happen.
Apparently it's just too much trouble to ask "reporters" to do simple fact-checking when there's outrage clicks to be had.
...and I'm not try to dismiss anyone's contributions, but there's literally thousands of people who've contributed to GNU. That only 27 of them have been swooned by the witch hunt actually says good things about GNU developers in general, but it's still not a significant number of people making a reasoned and logical argument based on facts.
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Re:So... not to be "that guy", but... (Score:5, Insightful)
It wouldn't hurt
Yes it would.
All that would do is give the crowd who leads these sort of things further encouragement to continue their behavior. It would do nothing to Minsky or Epstein, obviously, do nothing to discourage future perpetrators, nor help in any way the victims of any of their activities. Giving the outrage crowd will hasten their dissolution.
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Giving [into] the outrage crowd will hasten [the dissolution of GNU].
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Bullshit, kowtowing to snowflakes with chips on their shoulder looking for something to be offended at, and lying about finding it don't deserve an apology.
No apology. Double down on the truth of what was really said. Shame the liars. That's the only way.
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Re:So... not to be "that guy", but... (Score:5, Insightful)
His statements have not reasonably caused any hard feelings. The people who have claimed that he said things that he didn't actually say should be apologizing to Stallman AND everyone who has hard feelings as a result.
Those people should even apologize to you for leading you to believe that Stallman said things that he didn't actually say.
Don't believe the hype, Stallman's statements have been made public. Go read them.
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I think you should spend less time on unimaginative ad-hominems and more time reading what Stallman actually wrote.
Then if you have a shred of honesty, you'll apologize.
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Even if I believe RMS doesn't intend any of those ignoble things, his insensitivity has become a great liability,
That has been the case for RMS from the moment he became the founder and evangelist for the open source software movement. To not be cognizant of that is a true sign of clueless ignorance. I have zero confidence that any person associated with this SJW petition could possibly champion the cause as resolutely and single-mindedly as RMS. No one is perfect, SJWs are causing more harm than good to OSS, they should crawl back under their rock.
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No he didn't say that. I'll reference "Betteridge's law of headlines" here. You had to end that with a question mark, which implies that it's probably a false statement. The reasoning there is that if he ever said such a thing it's certain someone would have posted the quote of him saying it by now and you'd have already seen the quote.
Re:So... not to be "that guy", but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly. What he really did was publicly doubt that someone he has known for years committed a crime and restate the constitutional principle that he is innocent until proven guilty. He explicitly was not defending Epstein.
As for the first point, people who were there have said Minsky declined the offer. As to the second, I would hope all Americans believe in the principles of the Constitution.
Even for those who for some reason believe Minsky was a willing participant, whenever someone who once had a good social reputation turns out to have committed a heinous crime, friends and neighbors expressing dismay and disbelief is so common it's stereotypical. Why is it now suddenly worthy of crucifixion?
Re:So... not to be "that guy", but... (Score:4)
No, that's exactly what the DIDN'T do. So spreading misinformation.
Stallman posted a hypothetical based on the assumption that Minsky did have sex with the girl, stating only that he had no reason to doubt that they did.
His argument was then that, based on that assumption, it would not have been sexual assault given Minsky's reasonable assumption that she consented.
Why does no one seem to have read the actual email, only inaccurate second hand accounts? Why does quoting the email get you modded down?
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Re:So... not to be "that guy", but... (Score:5, Interesting)
The letter actually mentions none of that. Are there any credible sources for this?
Re:So... not to be "that guy", but... (Score:4, Informative)
The sex slave accuser, Virginia Giuffre, is not credible with many of her claims, which she ma makes in her biography. Some of the claims from her biography are "fictionalized" according to her own attorneys. In her court testimony about serving as a sexual slave, she said that the could not remember where, or when, she had sex with him. Minsky's wife claims that Virginia had no such contact with Minsky. And she made claims about _dozens_ of powerful men she had sex with while serviing as a sex slave, all of whom specifically deny any sexual contact.
Re:So... not to be "that guy", but... (Score:5, Informative)
Neither do I think that Minsky actually slept with her. I knew him and I think it would be out of character for him.
Re your claims in #2, yes I have personally witnessed RMS hitting on nearly every woman age 16-40 that he meets - including my girlfriend (now wife), when he knew she was my girlfriend.
It's rude, but I don't think it rises to the level of sexual harassment. Making an offer, once, isn't enough in my book.
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Payment is not coercion, despite what people might say about wage slavery. So unl
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Frankly, I don't consider 16 year olds to be biologically immature, and to characterize their natural programming as immoral or to be treated as statutory rape is problematic.
SJWs Value Tech Only as a Tool to Spread Bigotry (Score:4, Insightful)
Stack Overflow is also getting fucked over by an SJW CoC as we speak!
http://archive.is/4vV8z [archive.is]
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kotak... [reddit.com]
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http://contributor-covenant.or... [contributor-covenant.org]
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It's not SJWs that are problems, it's people who are bullying and abusive, people who ignore clear evidence (or don't even try to find it), and people who try to reach their goals with violence.
These sorts of things don't have a political party, and they are wrong even when I agree with the person doing them.
Re: SJWs Value Tech Only as a Tool to Spread Bigot (Score:5, Informative)
It's not SJWs that are problems, it's people who are bullying and abusive, people who ignore clear evidence (or don't even try to find it), and people who try to reach their goals with violence.
Um, that's how SJW is pretty much defined. People aren't bothered by other people who want to solve issue, they are bothered by all the deplatforming and thought crime policing that is going on, based generally on nothing more than lies and accusations. SJW is a slur term to describe that behavior, it's not meant to describe solving actual injustices in the world.
Just look at this issue in particular. It happened decades ago. Nobody really knows what exactly happened (one source says Minsky simply said "No"). And who gets thrown under the bus? Not the guy that organize the whole thing. Not the guy who visited that island. Not the police and politics that allowed Epstein to get away with all this. Just some completely unrelated guy that committed the crime of thinking for himself. That's the issue, that's almost always the issue.
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It's not SJWs that are problems, it's people who are bullying and abusive...
Normally I'd agree with this, but there is something to be said for numbers. I'll forgive mistakes, but that depends on how many a person makes.
Having been involved in the furry community for a few decades, I've come across a lot of weird folks, but my personal pet peeve is "non-binary" people. I have no problem with that kind of thing, but, for heaven's sake, just about every person I've come across that is open about it is a massive douche bag. Kinda hard not to give in to the stereotypes when they ten
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Do you suppose Hitler thought he was making the world a better place?
I knew you would be here with your Hitler comment. Godwin's law exists because if Hitler is the only example you can think of for everything, you need to buy a history book, not spend your time arguing online.
Hitler used violence. That already discounted him in my previous post.
Concern about Copyleft (Score:2)
That's a horseshit argument, by the way (Score:5, Insightful)
The GNU project (and in a greater sense, the GNU General Public License) do not empower the masses through participation in GNU projects under the GNU umbrella, or any project in general or particular. This is borne out in the GPL's perpetual permission to fork any GPL'd project under the same terms; it means "if you like the software but not the way it's run, you can take a copy of our toys and strike out on your own".
Rather, GNU (and the GNU GPL) empower the masses through availability of GPL'd works, and in particular through the copyleft feature which (when laws related to copyright and licensing are followed) keeps these works available in perpetuity. This is by far the greater good when compared to combatting a hypothetical objection along the lines of I don't like rms, so I won't participate in a GNU project".
These guix people have had an axe to grind with rms since before he dismissed their proposed CoC as punitive a while back. It's no surprise they'd join the stone-throwing.
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This is borne out in the GPL's perpetual permission to fork any GPL'd project under the same terms; it means "if you like the software but not the way it's run, you can take a copy of our toys and strike out on your own".
I think they should fork GNU and maybe use a recursive acronymn like GNGNU for GNGNU's Not Gnu's Not Unix.
Rule for life (Score:2)
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Reading accounts if RMS's behaviour it seems they have some valid complaints.
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I think one reason we have a lot of gender-dominated fields -- ie, "mens jobs" or "womens jobs" isn't exclusively the result of overt gender discrimination, but because by and large segregating men and women results in improved economic productivity.
It's not even a question of morality or behavior, it's like some kind of inherent behavioral problem whereby women don't integrate well into all-male groups, and neither do men in all-female groups. More evenly balanced gender groups (or at least where there's
Well, there is nothing more creepy than ... (Score:2)
that kind of behind the scenes psycho manipulative gaslighting brainwashing mob summoning behavior, that is the main tool of violence of women.
The kind of that mother in the Sixt Sense that cheerly sloowly poisons her child without even blinking.
The kind that casually states that pychological violence "is not violence". (I have personally seen the brain's pain center lighting up from that, ten times more than from physical violence!)
The kind that summons an entire mob of white knights to do the physical vi
How many developers are there? (Score:2)
500? 1000? 5000?
I don't think 27 developers being whiny little bitches really matters.
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I don't think 27 developers being whiny little bitches really matters.
It does if they are recognized lead organizers of their respective projects.
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It doesn't matter to you, though; if that's how you talk about project maintainers, we know you're not one of the developers.
Good for him! (Score:5, Insightful)
27 shaming murderers, that should go to prison. (Score:2)
*Deliberately* misinterpreting something, making false implications, and implying prejudiced intentions, for the sole purpose of murdering somebody's public reputation and life.
What the fuck is this? A fucking witch trial in the dark ages??
Frankly, I would BET you, that every single one of those 27, is himself a closeted sick fuck. It would explain why they assume those intentions and mindsets. Because people usually assums other people work like them themselves too.
Sorry that Stallman is not a p.c. terrori
Fork GNU! (Score:2)
FreeBSD and NetBSD forked from 386BSD when the founders of 386BSD went radio silent (and were being a tad antisocial).
Cygnus (?) forked egcs from gcc when the gcc maintainers wouldn't cooperate. (IIRC the gcc maintainers finally relented and egcs and gcc merged back together. Anyone know the real story?)
I personally don't think there's anything magic about the GNU name or the gnu.org domain. AFAIK those 27 can take their projects anywhere they want and carry on, and leave the old bit
Screaming Monkeys (Score:4, Insightful)
I am so goddamned sick and tired of cancel culture taking a man's words (*always* a man, never a woman) and twisting them into something other than what was intended. We have here a replay of the lynch mob that went after Nobel prize-winning chemist Tim Hunt. Once again we have screaming monkeys hurling shit at a man who has contributed far more to humanity than his critics ever have or ever will.
Re:Screaming Monkeys (Score:5, Insightful)
(*always* a man, never a woman)
While your description of events is mostly accurate, this bit is not true. How about Brie Larson? The internet lost its shit when she made some comments at a speech. Those comments were poorly considered, but still just a few comments. Not a representation of who she is as a person. Kinda like Tim Hunt.
There are other examples. Mob mentality is bad for everyone, it's not just men.
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I don't recall Brie Larson getting canceled.
ZDnet lie (Score:3)
Zdnet has published carefully edited quotes of RMS to make sensationalist headlines. they are as fake as it could be. I do not even understand why slashdot links to that miserable tabloid.
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Careful ... they might take you seriously. (Score:2)
With batshit insane people running around and getting GNU membeships and mod points, they might prejudge that you are for real.
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Seems like it's hunting season on those who misuse women.
How has RMS misused women?
Beware the lynch mob. (Score:3)
Remember the list so you're not taken by surprise should you end up working with them. If they'll lynch Stallman, they'll lynch you, perhaps for something quite different!