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Six Arrested For Selling Chinese Gear To Military As 'Made In America' (arstechnica.com) 95

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: In August 2018, an Air Force service member noticed something strange about a body camera being used by security personnel at an Air Force base: Chinese characters on the screen. A subsequent investigation found numerous indications that the camera -- and two dozen others in the same shipment -- had been made in China. Investigators found three telling logos in the camera's firmware: an Air Force Logo, the logo of the Chinese company that made the camera, and the logo of China's ministry of public security. Forensic analysis indicated that all three images had been loaded on the camera at the same time by someone in a Chinese time zone. This suggested that not only was the camera made in China, but the Chinese knew that the body camera would be shipped to an Air Force facility.

How did a Chinese-made digital camera wind up at a US Air Force base? In a criminal complaint unsealed Thursday, federal prosecutors blamed Aventura, a New York-based company that has been fraudulently re-selling Chinese-made gear for more than a decade. On Thursday, six of the company's founders and senior officials were arrested and charged with fraud and other crimes. [...] [S]ince 2006, the feds say, Aventura has been buying Chinese-made cameras, metal detectors, and other products, slapping "Made in America" logos on them, and re-selling them in the United States -- to customers including U.S. government agencies who are legally prohibited from buying such items.

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Six Arrested For Selling Chinese Gear To Military As 'Made In America'

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  • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Friday November 08, 2019 @09:00PM (#59396334)

    change them with Espionage or treason

    • That was my first reaction. This should be a Capital treason case if anything should.
      • This should be a Capital treason case if anything should.

        Treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution. It is so hard to get a treason conviction that fewer than 20 people have EVER been so convicted.

        And no, this doesn't meet the requirements....

    • What they did is no different than what Ames or Walker did, compromise national security for a buck.

      Life without parole or do what China does ... carve them up for body parts [sciencealert.com].

    • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

      Like all the people who use treason when talking about Trump, read the legal definition first.

      • by geekoid ( 135745 )

        Except Trump is taking action against American interest at the behest of a enemy nation. They more data collected, the more apparent that is.

        So, yes, that's treason. Literally treason. Just like Reagan commit treason and Oliver North committed treason.

        Re-branding goods is not treason

        • Re-branding goods so a foreign enemy can spy on your military bases unbeknownst isn't aiding and abiding the enemy? Sounds like a betrayal of trust to me. That's treason.

          • I'm pretty sure this was about ripping off Uncle Sam and not some vast spy network.

            • Good point. Our government really is a business and you don't rip off Uncle Sam. That's why this whole show got started. So some rich folks could stop paying taxes to England.

        • I wasn't aware congress had declared war on any nation.

    • by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportland&yahoo,com> on Saturday November 09, 2019 @01:25PM (#59397530) Homepage Journal

      This isn't treason. They where aiding the enemy.
      President selling arms to the enemy? treason. Oliver North selling arms to the enemy, treason.

      Buying shit from china and re branding country of origin? not treason.

      • They were aiding China by allowing China to spy on US military installations. They did this for personal profit and likely knowing the potential consequences.

        I will admit that it may or may not fall under the legal definition of treason -- I'm not a laywer but I know enough to know that treason is probably well-defined over now hundreds of years of case law -- but it at least reasonably falls under the dictionary definition of treason. They provided aid to a foreign power's efforts to spy on the United
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    • Bahahaha. Or you were serious? So you want the military to build chip foundries that cost several billion dollars apiece to produce serval thousands of chips. And then fabricate every single component of the IC to the tune of a several million dollars per plant. That’s just the chip; that doesn’t include everything. Or is your plan completely not feasible?
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        • by Rakhar ( 2731433 )

          The USAF worked hard to trim down non combat career fields post 9/11 specifically so they could have more combat ready personnel while not going over limits on active soldiers. They outsource technical things for this reason.

          Source: My AFSC was rolled into a broader general one. I helped train contracted replacement who now get paid a lot more to do the same job.

        • Without profit b involved, and an existing salaried labor force n the form of enlisted men and officers , with skill ranges covering everything involved, The military can operate with less overhead if they don't have to do any business with external agencies. They have a huge labor force on retainer.

          To me that's a lot of words without any meaning. I am trying to design a chip. How many military designers have the necessary experience and skill to design chips? Bear in mind that not many civilians engineers have experience in the private sector with designing chips in the millions of units per year as this skillset is specialized. Yet somehow you want military personnel to be able design them when at best they will make thousands of them. Labor != skill. You can't throw more people at something for eve

      • by geekoid ( 135745 )

        Yes.
        Although it would be better to buy a older fab and hire people with a security clearance to work it.
        Plan is absolutely feasible becasue they would have other customers, it doesn't not need to be the latest fabs. Is you can get them at 1/10 to 1/20th the cost.
        I don't think you understand the risk we are taking with out of country sourcing.
        On the plus side, it would create 10,000 new jobs.

        We could pay for it by cutting 1 aircraft type we are spending billions on but the military does not want or need.

        • .Although it would be better to buy a older fab and hire people with a security clearance to work it.

          Bahahahaha. Do you know what it takes to get a security clearance for hundreds of engineers you'll need for a chip? Plus that's not what he proposed. He didn't propose contracting out the necessary skill. He proposed the military outright make every single component in that engineers must be all from the military.

          Plan is absolutely feasible becasue they would have other customers, it doesn't not need to be the latest fabs. Is you can get them at 1/10 to 1/20th the cost.

          In what world they have customers? I need a to have a chip designed. To use the military fab, I'd have to go through a ton of security clearances just to get a meeting with the engineers. If I buy

    • What you are promoting would:
      a) Limit new ideas (elimination of competition)
      b) Run counter to the concepts of free market policies
      c) Increased costs due to lack of manufacturing scale
      d) Support the existing Military-Industrial complex

      Generally the best solution is a justifiable level of paranoia and check everything (audit vendors and their products). Where the cost of compliance and/or consequences is still far too high then work those items in a closed shop environment. Even with a closed shop environment

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        e) Cripple profits by limiting mass fraud, inflated profit margins, sub-par products, know failed products and re-branding foreign products.

        The inevitable failure of the lowest tender process with it's built in fraud, that has repeatedly failed not just once but repeatedly year in and year out, hundreds even thousands of time.

        Greed must be served first, else why bother playing war in the first place if not to serve greed.

        Do you know man never made it to the moon because gubment done not did it unposiball

      • by caseih ( 160668 )

        a) The military has always done research into newer and more efficient ways of killing the enemy, and keeping the good guys safer. So no such a scheme wouldn't limit new ideas. The private sector is free to continue to do new things, as is the military.
        b) The free market has never applied to military procurement. If it did the US would be flying Airbus tankers, but of course we know we can't do that.
        c) You mean like how the current system leads to $1000 hammers and toilet seats?
        d) That wouldn't change,

        • by geekoid ( 135745 )

          c) It' not really true. Those are the impact of specialty low produced items. Retooling is very expensive.

          You want us to retool and make you 1 bolt? that bolt will cost you $500,000 dollars. You want us to retool to make a million bolts? well that will cost you $501,000

      • by geekoid ( 135745 )

        a) bullshit. No one is saying only the US make chips or dictate innovation.
        b) bullshit. There is still a free market.
        c) Scale would increase with time.
        d) bullshit. Removing profit motivation from management INCREASES the MIC.

        Also, it would bring back form of manufacturing to America,so middle class jobs.

        "closed shop environment you still need to be vigilant "
        True. still more secure then buying critical shit for foreign nations.

    • Pretty sure war is one of the legal reasons not respect patents...
  • I've worked for "secure government stuff". You can get through security initially but they will eventually find out and they take that shit super seriously. Fucking with the government in this area is nothing like a parking ticket. If you're targeted for being a security hazard you are super duper omgwtfbbq fucked beyond belief. If they're lucky, they'll get a public trial and be allowed lawyers and such and the law will be followed and they'll go to fuck you up the ass prison for 20 years after a very
  • Penalty. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Kaenneth ( 82978 ) on Friday November 08, 2019 @09:11PM (#59396362) Journal

    China would execute them if roles were reversed.

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      • Yeah, the US merely puts them in gulags without trial, lawyer or calling their family, for torture until "natural death".

        So much more civilized!

        You're all the same.

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      • by geekoid ( 135745 )

        "They also use the metric systems and guns are not a right to have."

        While those are great positives; it doesn't make up for the organ harvesting and surveillance.

    • China would execute them if roles were reversed.

      And? That doesn't make it okay, not in China nor in the USA.

  • I bought some Belleville desert boots once that the fabric ripped out of immediately when I put them on. Pity the poor fucker whose boots come apart in combat because Belleville wanted to save two cents on fabric.

    • The latest Ken Burns docu-series on the Vietnam war touches on this a bit, too, though related to the M-16. One soldier told the story of a fire-fight that went south for the Americans, resulting in quite a few dead. When they went back afterwards, they found that a lot of the M-16s of the dead were jammed. The solider telling the story painted it as common knowledge among the troops that this happened.

      I'm not a war hawk by any means, but sending soldiers into combat situations with faulty equipment? No

  • If I have learned anything in the past few years (decades) of government scandal and fuck-ups it's that congress has some REAL work to do in legislation.

    We need bi-partisan committees to look at, and close some serious loopholes in the way our government operates.

    Again this should be a non-partisan objective.

    The definitions of treason are far too narrow.

    The president should not be "above the law" no matter what party affiliation.

    Politicians and leaders intentionally lying and misleading the American people

    • Beyond the scandals, how the military industrial complex operates, is just WTF. And all 'legal' (as long as you don't pull stuff like this).

      ITAR pushes companies to do stupid things to fit through the loopholes. Once you outsource things enough times and push things through enough 'requirements' you end up with slow moving and inefficient everything.

      But fire and brimstone come down if we use non-volotile memory (nvm). We can't even record a bit because it technically counts as 'data logging'. Which "The Cli

    • by geekoid ( 135745 )

      "The president should not be "above the law" no matter what party affiliation."

      Contrary to what some lawyers opinion is, the president isn't.

      From the constitution:

      "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

      How can the president get convicted if he is above the law?

  • by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Friday November 08, 2019 @10:02PM (#59396472) Journal
    It is LONG past time to quit importing from China. If other nations in the west want to do it, fine, then they will have to deal with China's dumping, and economic war on them. BUT, this is killing America.

    In addition, these ppl should be charged with treason, or even better, aiding and abetting the enemy.
    • You mean "what the market will bear" capitalists? (Yep, those are mostly Chinese. ;)

      Or religious nutjobs? (Muslim as well as average American)

      Or perhaps you go by who kills the most Americans? (US military; cars; ...)

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      If you stop importing from China you fuck yourselves. You don't have the manufacturing or supply chains to just make everything locally. I suppose you could spend a decade or two on a massive development programme but it seems like a rather extreme reaction to some deliberately mis-labelled parts, especially when the criminals are Americans.

      There are better ways to handle this than cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    • It is LONG past time to quit importing from China

      Hey everyone, we want you to pay double the cost for everything you currently enjoy, because AMERICA! Wait what? You're price conscious? Damn.

      What you're doing is nothing short of virtue signalling. The market itself has chosen and Made in the USA has been declared to rarely be worth the money. Sure it becomes worth it for national security, and process safety (seriously don't buy valve bodies from China). It may seem worth it when states heavily subsidies industries and the government helps bail them out t

    • In addition, these ppl should be charged with treason, or even better, aiding and abetting the enemy.

      What enemy? When did Congress declare war on China?

    • Indeed. At least that way, we can be sure only American companies will collect all that juicy telemetry data.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Every time we have a story about US tariffs on China, we get lots of comments modded up about how the "supply chain" means that all electronic goods now have to be manufactured in Asia.

    Was the slashdot groupthink wrong?!

    • Ok, the NSA *does* have a fab. But that one apparently only makes chips for foreign "markets". ;)

      Wouldn't it be hilarious, if those Chinese-made cameras actually came from the NSA? :D

  • by lobotomy ( 26260 ) on Saturday November 09, 2019 @01:19AM (#59396728)
    Well there's your problem: claiming that any electronics gear is made in America. A 1978 Zenith TV may have been made in America, but not much after that.
    • by melted ( 227442 )

      All they needed to do is to _not claim_ it was made in the US then (and I suspect lower the price by like 10x). But no, they prefer the federal, pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

  • Such a familiar thing... Once I bought a fake thermal imaging device. Well, not fake but it was just kind of a replica. But it's only my fault. I had to use a trustworthy website like https://www.agmglobalvision.com/thermal-imaging [agmglobalvision.com] to get the device but I wanted to save some money on the purchase and it only led to disappointment.

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