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Li Wenliang, the Chinese Doctor Who Tried To Warn Others About Coronavirus, Dies (bbc.com) 111

A Chinese doctor hailed as a hero for trying to warn others about coronavirus in the early days of the outbreak has died from the virus, Chinese state media say. From a report, shared by long-time reader schwit1: Dr Li Wenliang, thought to be 34, tried to send a message to fellow medics about the outbreak at the end of December. Three days later police paid him a visit and told him to stop. He returned to work and caught the virus from a patient. He had been in hospital for at least three weeks. He posted his story from his hospital bed last month on social media site Weibo. "Hello everyone, this is Li Wenliang, an ophthalmologist at Wuhan Central Hospital," the post begins. It was a stunning insight into the botched response by local authorities in Wuhan in the early weeks of the coronavirus outbreak. Dr Li was working at the centre of the outbreak in December when he noticed seven cases of a virus that he thought looked like Sars - the virus that led to a global epidemic in 2003. The cases were thought to come from the Huanan Seafood market in Wuhan and the patients were in quarantine in his hospital.
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Li Wenliang, the Chinese Doctor Who Tried To Warn Others About Coronavirus, Dies

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  • Nothing to see here. I'm sure he was just unlucky, like the 0.1% of the people that die from a typical flu.
    • Death rate for coronaviris is about 2.1%.

      https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]

      You are correct for the flu. So while not near as widespread, coronavirus is considerably more fatal if one gets it.

      • by rikkards ( 98006 )

        But the big question is how many have recovered. Last stat I saw which was back when there were about 190 deaths was around 110 full recoveries.

        Will feel a lot more comfortable when the numbers are reversed

      • by drnb ( 2434720 )

        Death rate for coronaviris is about 2.1%.

        What's the death rate for Chinese citizens, deep in mainland China, publicly calling out the corruption of the Communist Party and their endangerment of the public?

      • by eRacer1 ( 762024 )

        Death rate for coronaviris is about 2.1%.

        https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]

        You are correct for the flu. So while not near as widespread, coronavirus is considerably more fatal if one gets it.

        I had a feeling a /s sarcasm tag was needed at the end of my comment. It was meant for those believing this coronavirus isn't anything to be more worried about than a typical flu.

    • Nothing to see here. I'm sure he was just unlucky, like the 0.1% of the people that die from a typical flu.

      Surely being an early witness to Communist corruption and the endangerment of the Chinese public, and publicly calling out the Communist Party, had nothing to do with his demise. Its just a coincidence.

  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @02:32PM (#59698826)

    If he's the Chinese Doctor Who, can't he just regenerate?

    Hey if you're going to post stuff to a site that is "News For Nerds", you'd best be prepared for nerdy cringe-takes of the worst order!

    • by aitikin ( 909209 )

      If he's the Chinese Doctor Who, can't he just regenerate?

      Hey if you're going to post stuff to a site that is "News For Nerds", you'd best be prepared for nerdy cringe-takes of the worst order!

      In China, Timelords reincarnate.

      <ducks>

    • He did regenerate, but he no longer has an ID that matches his face and was immediatelly taken into custody.

    • If he's the Chinese Doctor Who, can't he just regenerate?

      Burt he's not Doctor Hu, he's Doctor Li.

      Doctor Hu is a different doctor [sixthtone.com]

    • It's Dr Li, not Dr Hu.
    • If he's the Chinese Doctor Who, can't he just regenerate?

      Hey if you're going to post stuff to a site that is "News For Nerds", you'd best be prepared for nerdy cringe-takes of the worst order!

      Have you noticed the humor quotient of Slashdot has done a real crash and burn lately? I thought that was hilarious.

    • If he's the Chinese Doctor Who, can't he just regenerate?

      Troll or no, I parsed the headline as Doctor Who [wikipedia.org] as well. Maybe the editors can... Oh who am I kidding, maybe whoever submitted the article could have stressed that it should have been "Doctor w ho".

      News for nerds indeed, I had to read the headline several times to parse it out correctly.

    • If he's the Chinese Doctor Who, can't he just regenerate?

      Well he will, sort of, his organs will live on in party officials and wealthy westerners, just like the organs of other political criminals.

  • by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @02:36PM (#59698844)

    It's just pepties that can be synthesized for pennies each. And it's not that hard if you know science -- eventually it may even be automated for everyone. I mean there's lots of people designing their own vaccines nowadays, for example:

    https://github.com/feraliscatu... [github.com]

    • This is kind of awesome. But isn't it scary if someone used this for nefarious purposes instead?
      • How can it be used to do something nefarious?

        • Vaccines defend the SPECIES from a disease by creating a herd immunity. Not an individual.
          Designing a vaccine for an individual human AT BEST will create a genetically-similar resilient population around the said individual, who will remain carrier "plague rats", murdering people they encounter by the mere fact of existing.
          Starting off with one side of their family, unless mom and dad were brother and sister.
          Congratulations, you're Hitler.
          That's the SECOND BEST CASE scenario.

          In a much more likely outcome, a

          • Those scenarios are statistically ridiculous and false choices general anti-vaxxers come up with.

            Your scenario 1: Many individuals are naturally partially immune to many viruses and can be carriers already.

            Your scenario 2. If the vaccine is ineffective the individual would have suffered no loss unless they thought they were immune and did things to deliberately increase their risk of infection.

            Your "statistical error" scenario 3: The disease mutation is more likely in unprimed individuals. The vaccine pepti

    • by zidium ( 2550286 )

      Although it is believed personalized peptide vaccines should be safer when produced correctly than traditional vaccines, independently synthesizing and using your own vaccine can be deadly or worse if you make a mistake. This design is intended for experienced companies, scientists, or organizations to implement with adequate resources and testing facilities.

      Well, that's a little more of an extreme disclaimer than your typical MIT License. sheesh!!!

  • He must have died from something else, slashdot has repeatedly reminded me that only old and otherwise sick die of this and that it is no big deal.

    msmash is most likely a right wing racist who hates China. Shame on you!

  • Not dead (Score:4, Informative)

    by radaos ( 540979 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @02:37PM (#59698856) Homepage

    Dr. Wenliang is apparently not dead.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com]

    • by Ogive17 ( 691899 )
      Uh.. now I'm confused.

      Dr Li was declared dead at 21:30 local time (13:30 GMT) on Thursday, and the news was reported by Chinese state media outlets, triggering a huge wave of popular reaction on Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter. Journalists and doctors at the scene, who do not want their names used, told the BBC and other media that government officials then intervened. Official media outlets were told to change their reports to say the doctor was still being treated. Reports said the doctor was giv

      • The way I read it, he did actually die but the government officials are trying to cover it up.

        Right, he died, but he was on life support, so they added another machine that should keep him warm for as long as they want.

        Except it appears that other officials also intervened, and are reporting that he did die. Time will tell if they keep him hooked up to the machine, or not.

    • Looks like my original comment was spot-on... :-)

    • Dr. Wenliang is apparently not dead. https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com]

      The article linked now indicates he is dead.

    • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:03PM (#59699188)
      The story was updated. Apparently the government briefly tried to cover up his death (or at least tried to stave off reports while they tried last-minute desperate measures to keep him alive, knowing his death would exacerbate what was already a PR disaster).

      Dr Li, 34, was initially declared dead at 21:30 local time and the news triggered a huge wave of popular reaction on Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter.

      The People's Daily sent out a tweet saying Dr Li's death had sparked "national grief".

      However, Global Times then said he had been given a treatment known as ECMO (extra-corporeal membrane oxygenation) which keeps a person's heart pumping and keeps their blood oxygenated without it going through their lungs.

      Global Times said he was in a critical condition.

      Journalists and doctors at the scene, who do not want their names used, told the BBC and other media that government officials had intervened.

      Official media outlets had been told to change their reports to say the doctor was still being treated.

      The media outlets then later reported the new time of Dr Li's death: [2:58]

  • How does an ophthalmologist have the ability to make a SARS-like diagnosis?
    • Doctors are rarely trained so narrowly as to not have at least some understanding of other disciplines. Also, ophthalmology, in particular, brings one very close to patients' faces, so that could throw the probability of noticing something interesting in his favor, vs. say, a podiatrist.
    • An optometrist is a guy who fits you for glasses. They are not a medical doctor. An ophthalmologist is a fully licensed medical doctor, specializing in the eyes. Usually people only go to see them if they have an eye disease or problem. But they can fit you for glasses too.
    • Re:Ophthalmologist?? (Score:5, Informative)

      by AK Marc ( 707885 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @05:10PM (#59699364)
      An Ophthalmologist is an MD who is an eye specialist. All Ophthalmologists are trained like all other doctors through at least the first year of internship. They could stop being an Ophthalmologist tomorrow and be a GP/family doctor. They are trained. It sounds like he had some interest in SARS the first time, and then noticed this second round is similar to SARS.

      A Ophthalmologist is an MD. And you are questioning how an MD has the ability to make a SARS-like diagnosis? Because he's an MD.
  • Try to keep up /.

    He's alive but in critical condition.

    • Re:He's alive (Score:4, Informative)

      by zidium ( 2550286 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @03:39PM (#59699086) Homepage

      He actually died at 9:30 PM local time, but the Chinese government ordered that the corpse be put on a ventilation and heart pump machine and then declare he's in "critical condition".

      But his soul has already left the building.

      • But his soul has already left the building.

        Citizen, 25 social credit points have been subtracted for spreading cultist propaganda.

  • State media is apparently walking back the story of his death, published in a local party paper.

    Really, you can't be sure of any recent news coming out of China. Either story could be true at this point.

    • The assassin must have been scheduled at the same time as the news story, but died of coronavirus before he got there.

      • by hey! ( 33014 )

        Ha! Or chickened out.

        Why do you want this guy killed again? He let people know just how *incredibly contagious* the virus he's in the hospital with is?

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @03:18PM (#59699002)

    When "Doctor Li Wenliang" holds a press conference to announce that he's recovered and that the Chinese government response was timely and effective, we shouldn't take notice that he doesn't look like any of the old photos of himself.

  • Dying is the best warning you could possibly give!
  • Thank you for being human enough to try and warn ppl about what China had coming to the world. You have likely saved more lives. Sadly, you probably gave yours in return.
  • These virus outbreaks, especially disasters to the world from China will keep repeating itself; as long the Chinese Communist Party is still there to censor news, accuse, arrest, torture political dissident & whistle blowers with this evil regime continues.

  • But we were told that only the elderly and those with underlying health issues had to worry
  • Crazy but that s how it goes. Millions of people living as foes, ... RIP Dr. LI Wenliang and all the other poor souls who dared to help humanity but met their demise.

The unfacts, did we have them, are too imprecisely few to warrant our certitude.

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