The Coder and the Dictator (nytimes.com) 120
An anonymous reader writes: If you are a cryptocurrency enthusiast living in a brutal dictatorship, and you use cryptocurrency as a way to evade the restrictions and bad economic policies of that dictatorship, and one day the brutal dictator comes to you and asks you to design a cryptocurrency for him, do you think that designing that cryptocurrency for him will usher in a new era of freedom and wise economic policies? Or, you know, not? The answer is "not," of course, but I appreciated the naive idealism of Gabriel Jimenez, the designer of Venezuela's Petro cryptocurrency, in this story by Nathaniel Popper and Ana Vanessa Herrero. From the report: Mr. Jimenez was just 27, ran a tiny start-up, and had spent years protesting the dictator. Mr. Maduro had not just mismanaged his country into financial crisis -- he had detained, tortured and murdered those who challenged his power. But whatever Mr. Jimenez felt about the regime, he felt just as strongly about the potential of cryptocurrency. When the Maduro administration approached him about creating a digital coin, Mr. Jimenez saw an opportunity to change his country from within. If a national cryptocurrency was done right, Mr. Jimenez believed, he could give the government what it wanted -- a way to fight hyperinflation -- while also stealthily introducing technology that would give Venezuelans a measure of freedom from a government that dictated every detail of daily life. His friends and family warned him that working with the regime could only end badly. It ended badly.
Wow. Just wow. (Score:3)
Not that Maduro is a nice person or anything, but could this be any more lurid? I haven't seen this kind of phrasing since old Soviet Pravda closed shop.
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their country sits on one of the world's largest reserves of sweet sweet oil
Venezuelan oil is high-sulfur "sour" oil.
It is expensive to refine and thus fetches a much lower price than sweet oil.
Sweet crude oil [wikipedia.org]
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Besides, most of the acid fall out will land in Canada, and they woult dare to do anything about it. And making the North Atlantic more acid will drive some of the CO2 out of it, making everywhere warmer. Win Win Win! for the Orange Overlord [garfield.com]!
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Yeah, no kidding. Gotta love how they claim that the economy is in its current state specifically because of Maduro, not because of almost two decades of attacks on its currency by the US gov't,, Wall Street, and the banking conglomerates.
Re: Wow. Just wow. (Score:2)
Lessons learned (Score:1)
Don't be a "useful idiot". [youtube.com]
Techie arrogance (Score:5, Interesting)
It's ludicrous to think that somehow you, even being oh so smart, are going to be able to outmaneuver someone who's spent his entire life destroying his enemies.
I suppose that XKCD five-dollar wrench [xkcd.com] comic is somewhat applicable, even though it's not directly analogous.
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someone who's spent his entire life destroying his enemies.
Maduro spent most of his life working as a bus driver.
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Maduro spent most of his life working as a bus driver.
Only if you believe his "working life" ended well before the year 2000 - that's when he was elected to Venezuela's National Assembly (and was soon pulled into Chavez's inner circle). And given he was a trade union leader before that, I'd say most of his working life has demonstrably been as a politician.
What is this? (Score:1)
He literally made the van Braun "nazi" decision (Score:2)
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Except that in this case the group that he joined is intent on improving the lot of the poor, rather than starting an unwinnable war and massacring millions. Just a little tiny difference there.
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Except that in this case the group that he joined is intent on improving the lot of the poor, rather than starting an unwinnable war and massacring millions. Just a little tiny difference there.
LOL - "improving the lot of the poor". I'm sure the party posters say that but deeds and results tell a different story.
And von Braun told himself he was helping mankind by letting it move into outer space.
It seems your "little difference" is a literal one, not a sarcastic one.
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Well they did build that Nazi moon base after all.
Don't forget the antarctic base.
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Prior to the election of Chavez over 90% of the income in the country went to less then 5% of the population, it was one of the most unequal economies in the world. Then they made the mistake of holding almost-honest elections, thinking that since they elites controlled all the press in the country that they could control the outcome. Oops.
Even as bad as the US's financial attacks have made their living conditions the average Venezuelan is still better off today than they were in 1998. Of course the US p
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... the average Venezuelan is still better off today than they were in 1998 ...
"The sustainability of the Bolivarian Missions has been questioned due to the Bolivarian state's overspending on public works and because the Chávez government did not save funds for future economic hardships like other OPEC nations; with economic issues and poverty rising as a result of their policies in the 2010s.[25][246][247] In 2003 the government of Hugo Chávez implemented currency controls after capital flight led to a devaluation of the currency. This led to the development of a parallel
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Yes, it's upsetting that they can't buy stuff because of artificial shortage created by the country's elite (which is why they occupied the toilet paper factory), but prior to 1998 they also couldn't buy toilet paper, except that the cause then was they didn't have the money to even purchase sufficient food. Of course they wouldn't have needed it then, since the poorer neighborhoods of Caracas didn't have water, sewer, electricity, schools, markets, etc. like they do now.
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You really don't know anything about Venezuela, do you? The elites still own the majority of the country and almost all its businesses and the vast majority of its press, they're just upset because they're only pulling in (last I checked) 60% of the country's income now instead of 95%. Without Chavez and Maduro (who are not communists, they're socialists, and no matter what your personal religion says the two are not the same) the people of Venezuela would be in the same state as the Hondurans. Want to s
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Want to see caravans of Venezuelans walking to the US border? Just let DC put Guiado in charge.
That's funny because Venezuelans have been leaving the country by the millions [wikipedia.org] thanks to Chavez and Maduro. I'm sure you will find a way to spin that around and blame the elites too :)
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Keep in mind that the rich still own the media companies and have no hesitation to lie to viewers. The Venezuelan guy that works in the stamping mill in Lima that my nephew owns was an engineer (mechanical, I think) in Caracas. The media tell them that Venezuelan professionals are in great demand in other countries of South America and will easily get visas and jobs anywhere they go. He was washing car windows on a street corner when my nephew hired him, now this guy with an engineering degree and severa
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This is not true, the Chavistas control the majority of the media through threats, fines, etc.
They closed RCTV, the most popular TV station at the time. They stole their equipment and launched a channel that praises the so called "revolution" in its place. They bought the main news channel, Globovision, in order to control the editorial line. The other important channels, Venevision and Televen were forced to change their line under threats of expropriation, turning them into a carcass of what they were
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You do remember why they closed that bunch of television and radio stations, don't you? Most of them had let their licenses lapse and refused to pay the pittance for renewal fees because in Venezuela the owners of the country had never had to do that. The rest were licensed under the names of dead people or names of people who didn't actually exist. They were given three frelling years to get their licenses in order.
Denied them access to foreign currency? That's what the US has been doing to the entire
Truly ?? (Score:3)
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You do realize that it's the US who's currently stealing Venezuelan money? They've sequestered several hundred million dollars from Venezuelan petroleum sales that were in US banks and have given control of it to Guaido the Gusano, the guy who declared himself president after he couldn't even get elected leader of his own political party.
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The US recognizes Guaido as the legitimate president, and as such gives control of the assets of Venezuela to his government.
Gaudio was declared interim president by the National Assembly, the constitution has an article saying that if the president is declared (by the National Assembly) as having abandoned his post, the president of the Assembly becomes president of the country temporarily, until new elections can be organized. But the army is controlled by Maduro, and bullets are more convincing than the
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When a guy has been laundering money for the Colombian cartels for decades and finances an attempted coup most countries would put them in prison for a very, very long time. Lopez has been handled with kid gloves.
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Defending Lopez? If you're not on his payroll, yeah, it's a complete waste of time.
wow (Score:2)
the political partisanship is strong with this one...
Not that he has a clean vest, but neither has his opposition, and the amount of one-sided choice of words and phrases in the article is astonishing. It reminds me of Cold War propaganda or the tone of russian news. So clearly overboard that you wonder why anyone believes that.
Again, not that he's a holy man. But by putting it on so thick, you actually make people wonder if maybe he's not so bad because you're really overdoing it and that usually means it'
Amazing (Score:4, Insightful)
It's amazing how a certain segment professes to believe without any question whatsoever the press releases from socialist dictatorships, and gushes "I have seen the future and it works!" Until the pile of bodies becomes undeniable, then their past support gets dropped down the memory hole, and "(Stalin/Lenin/Castro/Mao/Chaves/Maduro) was never a *real* socialist, oh, no, never, that has nothing to do with *real* socialism. This time for sure!" (enter next mass-murdering thug who mouths nicey-nice sounding platitudes.)
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It's equally amazing how a certain segment is happy with government services they approve of and take them as something due by right - but if they don't approve of the service, then suddenly government services are "socialist". This same segment is equally clueless about the number of free and democratic countries around the world that somehow provide those "socialist" services without turning into dictatorships.
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Very few, other than the more extreme anarcholibertarians, assert that all government services are "socialist." That canard is regularly trotted out by those trying to nationalize everything whenever anyone objects to being nationalized.
The topic of this story was Venezuela. Venezuela. The country that has been destroyed by the socialist dictatorship of Chavez and Maduro, and which was praised (until the results became undeniable even by him) by a certain senator who proudly declares himself to be a "d
New York Times (Score:2)
I'm soooo looking forward to giving away some personal information to read this unbiased and informative article.
The Architect and The King (Score:3)
It has been a common theme in history that when a King commissioned an architect to build them something the King would execute the architect on completion of the commission.
This way the King was assured that not only would it be the architect's finest work and the crowning moment of the architect's career, it would be the last work they ever did.
This is always a risk to be considered when approaching men of power.
Sorry, dictator is socialist (Score:5, Insightful)
Venezuela is not socialist. It is a dictatorship that says it's socialist.
The dictator say the government controls the means of production and distribution, that is dictionary definition socialist.
The dictator is marxist, and according to Marx socialism is just a step on the way to communism.
So sorry, Venezuela is absolutely socialist according to multiple definitions. Being a dictatorship does not change that. Socialism permits authoritarianism.
Re:Sorry, dictator is socialist (Score:5, Insightful)
You really don't know anything at all about Venezuela, do you? The country's economy is overwhelmingly capitalist, only the petroleum industry was nationalized, and that only because all profits were being illegally exported by the corrupt ruling class.
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You really don't know anything at all about Venezuela, do you? The country's economy is overwhelmingly capitalist, only the petroleum industry was nationalized, and that only because all profits were being illegally exported by the corrupt ruling class.
No, it is not capitalist. Government controls production and distribution. That is socialism. That production is done in many small businesses does not change this. You are confusing things with communism where the government owns the production, not simply controls it as in socialism.
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Venezuela [...] The country's economy is overwhelmingly capitalist
In 2008, I went (out of curiosity) to a meeting of the Australia-Venezuela Solidarity Network in Sydney. They called one another "comrade", and praised the "revolutionary" government for bringing "socialism" to the country. Those words are all direct quotes. One topic raised in the meeting was a new policy in which new recruits to the army were required to sing songs extolling the virtues of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela (*not* the country as a whole). Attendees of the meeting were in favour o
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ten years ago, Venezuela was an exemplar of perfect socialist society
Oh, horsepuckey. Absolutely no one was saying that a decade ago. What they **were** saying is that it was a frack of a lot better than the government tha had proceeded them, which was absolutely true for the 90% of the Venezuelan population that isn't rich.
So two decades of continual attacks by DC and Wall Street on the currency and economy of the country and the sequestration of millions of dollars of petroleum revenue by the US gov't has no part in Venezuela's economic situation? That would be amazingl
You need to stop buying dictionaries (Score:5, Informative)
Socialism is _worker_ owned means of production. We can debate if that idea is ever truly able to be achieved, but it doesn't do your side any favors to completely categorize the other one.
Dictators aren't Marxist, Capitalist or any other -ist. There's no ideology, there's just power. Everything else is lip service and rhetoric.
Everything permits authoritarianism. Here in America we're well into our primary for the Democratic party. Once again there are serious irregularities nobody is talkign about. 7 hour waits at the polls and exit polling that's 8-11% off (2% is usually enough to call in the UN). Capitalism permits authoritarianism too, because once again it's not about ideology, it's about power. You're old enough to know that, too.
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from the Heritage Foundation. They're faulty. Socialism is _worker_ owned means of production. We can debate if that idea is ever truly able to be achieved, but it doesn't do your side any favors to completely categorize the other one.
Not quite. Its "collective or governmental ownership and administration" according to the dictionary. https://www.merriam-webster.co... [merriam-webster.com]
Dictators aren't Marxist, Capitalist or any other -ist. There's no ideology, there's just power. Everything else is lip service and rhetoric.
They absolutely are. Dictators can be quite ideological and that can include marxism, socialism, etc. Again the dictionary states "various economic and political theories"
Nice quote mining (Score:2)
And Dictators are not ideological. All ideology goes out the window when their power is threatened. People who are ideological don't do that. They stick to their guns. A dictator doesn't last if he does that.
Its the literal definition of the word (Score:2)
And Dictators are not ideological. All ideology goes out the window when their power is threatened.
After you read the dictionary give history books a try. Dictators can absolutely be political ideologues. The ideology their main motivation. Hence the revolution to manifest the desired economic system. Hence any alternative opinion being counter-revolutionary.
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does dmb stand for dumb, or is it the only way you could figure out how to spell your childhood nickname?
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does dmb stand for dumb, or is it the only way you could figure out how to spell your childhood nickname?
LOL - What a genius you are, its: d r n b
Knowledge is the enemy of socialism (Score:2)
You need to stop buying dictionaries
Yes, knowledge is the enemy of socialism. Just take our beloved leader's word on how things are, what things mean, how they should be.
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If knowledge is the enemy of socialism then why are the most socialist countries in the West such as Denmark, Finland, Sweden, and Norway consistently the ones with the best education systems globally putting purely capitalist economies like the US and UK to shame?
Well to start with an educated person would know that "socialism" and "democratic socialism" are not synonymous.
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What do you consider the best source(s) for this info? (I completely believe it, just want some good sources I can share with others)
Knowledge enemy of socialism just listen to leader (Score:2)
You need to stop buying dictionaries
Yes, pesky books and stuff, knowledge is the enemy of socialism. Just take our beloved leader's word on how things are, what things mean, how they should be. That's all a good socialist needs to do, to just believe strongly enough.
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Dictators aren't Marxist, Capitalist or any other -ist
This isn't true, they're monarchists and most of them justify themselves in the same ways that monarchists have always justified themselves. What's the difference between a dictator and a monarch? Only the age of the regime.
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The dictator says that the government controls the means of production, and yet in reality it has control only over a few sectors.
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confused due to "Democratic Socialism".
Actually, much confusion comes from the terms "democratic socialism" and "social democracy".
These two terms sound similar but are actually two completely different things.
Democratic socialism is a form of socialism
Social democracy is a form of capitalism.
This confusion leads many people to believe that Scandanavian countries are "socialist" because they have universal healthcare, when in fact they practice free-market capitalism and only spend a little more per-capita on government-funded healthcare than Am
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Actually,
~ShanghaiBill
It's a wash.
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That's the definition of communism, not socialism
Just as Hitler made the same claim, and the Chinese say they are a People's Republic, the claim is false
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It's so reassuring to have the fount of all knowledge here at Slashdot to correct the dictionaries.
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And the dictionary is wrong. That's the definition of communism, not socialism Just as Hitler made the same claim, and the Chinese say they are a People's Republic, the claim is false
Nope. In socialism the gov't controls the means of production and distribution, but ownership by individuals is allowed. In communism the gov't owns the means of production. Next time look up both words in the dictionary and your will understand.
And if you crack open a history book you will find that the nazis adopted many socialist ideas and goals, exclusively for the benefit of aryans of course.
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Well here is one definition, socialism a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. How is a dictator the community as a whole? So sorry, you are wrong.
Nope, you left out the "or governmental" part. And dictators fall under "any of various economic and political theories", plus you know, their effectively being the government. You merely offer an incomplete definition.
"any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods"
https://www.merriam-webster.co... [merriam-webster.com]
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This is what sozialism is. Venezuela is honest about who they are. They don't say they love capitalists and sekretly kill them.
Or, are you going to tell me nazi-ists were not REAL nazi-ists because that is not what real nazi-ism is ?
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Or, are you going to tell me nazi-ists were not REAL nazi-ists because that is not what real nazi-ism is ?
The German national socialists were just some guys who wanted every worker to have a Volkswagen and some quality beachside vacation time each year (seriously, "Strength through Joy" program). Give their children free education and free extracurricular activities, in particular lots of outdoor group activities promoting a healthy lifestyle, lots of STEM related educational opportunities and activities, etc. Oh, and all sorts maternity care and child support for the ladies. And meth, everyone get methamphetam
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The German national socialists were just some guys who wanted every worker to have a Volkswagen and some quality beachside vacation time each year (seriously, "Strength through Joy" program).
Yes, yes. And some space too for the people. A bit more Lebensraum. Now if wanting a bit more space for the worker is radical then call me a radical ! (cue applause).
Re: If only done right SOZIALISM will work, comrad (Score:1)
Gosh! Who knew?
And we did that whole world war thing with them.
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Every evil empire needs their propaganda to claim that they path of destruction they leave behind is "for the good of the people"
I am certain that you use some similar pap to justify the hours you spend here propagandizing fascism as well
Re: If only done right SOZIALISM will work, comra (Score:1)
Pause... waiting,.. yawn....zzzzzzz.....
Hey did you get the virtue signaling bonus mod up points, yet? I know that's why you posted that baseless as hominem crap.
Like the kids say, cool story, bro!
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Since when are 'dictators' elected by the majority of voters in elections that international observers ruled "free and fair"? Is this some new definition? I only wish the US elections could pass international review, here deviations of 20% between exit polls and ballots recorded are not even news, while in the rest of the world 10% deviation is considered clear evidence of fraud.
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Since when are 'dictators' elected by the majority of voters in elections....
Since the rest of the voters misteriously lost their leaders.
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You know, if you don't know anything about the situation it's generally thought better to stay quiet and be thought a fool rather than open your mouth and demonstrate your ignorance to the world. You might keep that in mind in the future.
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The Dutch have a more succinct one:
Speaking is silver, silence is gold.
Just to enlighten my comrades over here.
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Yeah, we're aware of your definition of "clean". Sorry, elections in the US have **never** been limited to WASPs.
Re: If only done right SOZIALISM will work, comra (Score:1)
Hint: this is a good opportunity for you to double down on the ad hominem and get in some quality virtue signaling for the +mod points from your echo chamber buddies. Go for it, bro!
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Since when are 'dictators' elected by the majority of voters in elections that international observers ruled "free and fair"? Is this some new definition? I only wish the US elections could pass international review, here deviations of 20% between exit polls and ballots recorded are not even news, while in the rest of the world 10% deviation is considered clear evidence of fraud.
It's only fraud if a Republican does it according to most news outlets in the US. If they had actually thought Trump could win they would have taken the effort to fix it in advance like they did with Bernie. Trump winning caught them by surprise and it was too late to fix it. Thus the drive to impeach even before he took office. It will be back to normal soon as Biden is the perfect puppet.
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Caught by surprise? Clinton spent a frelling **BILLION DOLLARS** and lost to a senile orangutan, that doesn't happen by accident. She ran the worst campaign that I've seen in 45 years of watching politics, and it still took the Electoral College to put Rump in power.
Keep in mind who was absolutely most opposed to the impeachment movement: the Democratic Party "leadership". They seem to like being out of power, since they can give their corporate sponsors everything they want and just whine, "Those meanies
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Huh. When did you dream that had happened? If you're talking about Guaido the Gusano he wasn't even in the running during the presidential election, he just declared himself president after talking to Foggy Bottom and getting promises of military support (which of course never materialized, the Joint Chiefs aren't stupid).
Re: If only done right SOZIALISM will work, comrad (Score:3)
Dictatorship and socialism are orthogonal concepts. You can have neither, either, or both. Socialism/capitalism describes who is in charge of the economy: citizens or the government. That government can run the gamut from direct democracy to military dictatorship, with no effect on whether the economy is socialist or capitalist.
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Well said. Hitler may have been head of the National Socialist Party but he could not really have been socialist because he was a dictator. Maduro is head of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela, but since he is a dictator, he, too, is not a true socialist. Don't believe those capitalist dogs that try to pin Nazi Germany and Venezuela on socialism.
Socialism does not exclude dictatorship. Hence the definition "any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods"
https://www.merriam-webster.co... [merriam-webster.com]
Various dictators have been completely ideological and primarily motivated by socialist revolution. Dictatorship is join one of various paths to implementing socialism.
Even Hitler had some socialist leanings. Hitler wanted his "workers" to h
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On the other end, German women were told to have sex with many men, to produce new members for their Third Reich. Married, not married, young, old...as long as women were able to produce babies, it was more or less demanded of them to do so. If women already had 6 or more children (with their husband or otherwise) they would get an official pardon and would not have to continue with that practice.
And if you still could not get "lucky" as a German male, there were still the bordello's in the concentration ca
Re: If only done right SOZIALISM will work, comrad (Score:2)
Hitler was even against the DAP adding the "socialist" part of "national socialist" to the party name. It was only done to try and expand their political base and seem attractive to more left leaning Germans.
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It's original name was simply the German Workers Party (DAP). They, Hitler included, literally fought socialists in the streets during the 1920s and 30s.
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Page 381 of Mein Kampf, writing about a follow up to something from February 24, 1920, wrote the paragraph below wherein he clearly calls himself and his party National Socialists. 1920! No one with any honesty can claim he did not identify himself with being a socialist very early on in his career!
"During that period the hall of the Hofbrau Haus in Munich acquired for us, National Socialists, a sort of mystic significance. Every week there was a meet
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Fought the socialists in the 20s and 30s? Really?
Page 381 of Mein Kampf, writing about a follow up to something from February 24, 1920, wrote the paragraph below wherein he clearly calls himself and his party National Socialists. 1920! No one with any honesty can claim he did not identify himself with being a socialist very early on in his career!
From Wikipedia:
To increase its appeal to larger segments of the population, on the same day as Hitler's Hofbräuhaus speech on 24 February 1920, the DAP changed its name to the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei ("National Socialist German Workers' Party", or Nazi Party).[51][52] The word "Socialist" was added by the party's executive committee, over Hitler's objections, in order to help appeal to left-wing workers.
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The DAP did indeed change it's name to National Socialist German Workers' Party (abbreviated NSDAP) at that time. There is a clear reason for it, though.
By the way,a man named Anton Drexler founded the DAP, and Anton was anti-Semitic, nationalist, anti-capitalist, and at the same time anti-Marxist per the source given below.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Hence the DAP was anti-Marxist, yes, but also anti-capitalist. It was the Marxist Socialists the Nazi's (renamed DAP) fought in the
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Venezuela is not socialist. It is a dictatorship that says it's socialist.
You have to admit that there's it's a bit of a coincidence that these dictators keep coming up again and again for socialism (many times) and communism (every time).
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International BusinessOwners Party Unite !
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Just look at all the kapitalist dictatorships out there !
Capitalism is compatible with both democracy and dictatorships.
Socialism is not.
Socialism either becomes non-democratic or it becomes non-socialist.
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Holy carp, did the entire period from 1850 to yesterday evaporate?
If gov says its a currency it is a currency (Score:2)
You can't download the blockchain. It's worth whatever the regime says it's worth. There's a single “ledger” on a government-run website where you can only view your own balance.
IIRC the coin is fixed to the price of a barrel of oil. If the government says its a currency it is a currency.
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IIRC the coin is fixed to the price of a barrel of oil. If the government says its a currency it is a currency.
Except it's not [petro.gob.ve]. Right now it says 1 Petro = US$58.80.
And what is Venezuela offering to sell a barrel of oil for right now? Not the world market price, Venezuela's price.
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Just curious. They take American paper but not coins? So are all prices rounded up? If something is really cheap like a piece of candy or whatever that would normally cost a nickel, do you not use dollars or buy 20 candy or...?
as this is an informal dolarization, there are not enough coins moving around. In some places the prices are in U$D, but in most places, the prices are in Bolivares...
The way this goes is as follows:
Customer: How much is this in dollars?
Seller: $34.55
C: Ok, here are $30. How much reamins in VeS (Bolivar Soberano, the local currency)?
S: Bs.2453.05 (the real number as of march 22, 2020).
C: Ok, here is my debit card.
If you are dumb, you will try to pay with 40 bucks, which will lead to problems to give you cha