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Ticketmaster Preparing Refund Plan For Thousands of Postponed Shows (vulture.com) 57

Ticketmaster is finalizing a plan to begin offering refunds to concertgoers who purchased tickets to an event canceled or indefinitely postponed by the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. Vulture reports: Starting May 1, per Billboard, ticket-holders will be alerted to their concert or show's new date, then given 30 days to request a refund. If they don't seek a refund, their ticket will be valid for the event on its new date. If their event has been straight-up canceled, well, then their refund will be returned to them either way.

If that's not enough options for you, however, Live Nation has two other suggestions for those fans whose shows have been canceled: receive credit for a future ticket through their "Rock When You Are Ready" program, up to 150% of your initial ticket's value, or donate the value of your refunded ticket to health-care employees battling COVID-19 through the company's Hero Nation program. As for when we'll all actually be packed into a stadium again, singing along to Taylor Swift's "Lover," truly, only time will tell.
The plan comes after the company came under fire by concertgoers for quietly changing its refund policy to cover only canceled events -- not the many functions that promoters have indefinitely "postponed" or rescheduled to a date/time that some ticketholders cannot make.
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Ticketmaster Preparing Refund Plan For Thousands of Postponed Shows

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  • by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @06:07AM (#59971734) Homepage Journal

    I mean, they can't make up rules about it. they have to refund canceled or postponed shows at least in most of the world.

    It's not up to them to make preparations or programs or whatever for it.

    That they have leveraged the money they weren't sure to have and basically borrowed from their own coffers is not the consumers problem - they have to refund not make some of their own "preparations" or "agreements" about it. they can't just decide the rules for this.

    this max leveraging is why basically why many seemingly healthy money printing businesses are on brink of bankruptcy even when things are going well. it's stupid. this is why in some western countries like 30% up of companies are scaring bankruptcy due to covid, whereas in asia a lot of the companies, sure, they're shut down for the moment but the owners wont kill the companies because they know they will make money again next year with them - so they have an actual buffer and can just shut down for a while.

    • "I mean, they can't make up rules about it. they have to refund canceled or postponed shows at least in most of the world."

      Yes, but they spent the money and now they're in deep shit.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by mrbester ( 200927 )

        And my nose bleeds in sympathy, because that still isn't the customers' problem and no attempts to move the goalposts ("oh, it's classed as postponed, we're ignoring the 'indefinitely' part because that's the same as a cancellation, so no refund for you") have merit.

        Also without merit is the coercing venues to declare "postponed" as cancelling attracts additional admin fees the venues can't afford.

        So they tell the venues not to cancel or they'll get charged through the nose for doing so, and tell customers

        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

          No, as long as you're talking about a modern Western society that is functioning normally, it's not customers' problem.

          But if company has no money and goes into bankruptcy because it can't pay all those refunds, all while entirety of economy is under massive strain which is what caused this bankruptcy alongside many others, it becomes customers' problem very quickly. Something that most of the privileged and naive first worlders don't seem to comprehend, because they seem to treat "everything working as it

          • by 3247 ( 161794 )

            No, as long as you're talking about a modern Western society that is functioning normally, it's not customers' problem.

            Everywhere in the world, it can become the customers' problem as quickly as they can spell i-n-s-o-l-v-e-n-c-y.

        • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

          And my nose bleeds in sympathy, because that still isn't the customers' problem and no attempts to move the goalposts ("oh, it's classed as postponed, we're ignoring the 'indefinitely' part because that's the same as a cancellation, so no refund for you") have merit.

          Also without merit is the coercing venues to declare "postponed" as cancelling attracts additional admin fees the venues can't afford.

          So they tell the venues not to cancel or they'll get charged through the nose for doing so, and tell customers

      • Too fucking bad. They made so much god damn money on their service charges and bullshit fees over the years that they probably shouldn't be spending revenue gained from events that haven't happened yet.

      • But they have not spent ALL their money and are not filing for bankruptcy, so they have to live up to the agreement and supply the refunds. If they truly spent all their money, then why cry for them as they drive away in their new cars? It is not our job as consumers to make sure we provide welfare benefits to corporations ("I'm so sorry you wont' be able to make payroll, I'll just set here at home jobless knowing that I helped you out by not asking for a refund because you clearly need the money more tha

    • I mean, they can't make up rules about it. they have to refund canceled or postponed shows at least in most of the world.

      True. But they need to set up rules on HOW to refund. And giving additional options isn't a problem either.

      • "True. But they need to set up rules on HOW to refund. And giving additional options isn't a problem either."

        Yes, you can choose between vouchers to later shows, one is a Punch and Judy show by his 8 year old nephew, the other one is a full week access to the Oktoberfest in Munich, you just have to pay for the flight.

        PS. Oktoberfest is cancelled, that was sorta the joke.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      It can get complicated depending on the consumer laws in that area. For example airlines here are required to refund if they can't transport you, but many are refusing to do so until 2 days before the flight even though there is no chance that the lockdown will be lifted by then.

      They are also free to offer alternatives like tickets for a different flight.

      Unfortunately many of them are scummy like Ticketmaster and will instead try to trick consumers into thinking that their T&Cs actually mean something a

      • We haven't begun to see the lawsuits over everything from this and other unfulfilled contracts to every last sicknes or death because even essential businesses like food refused to shut down.

        We will need laws to protect for this one-time thing to prevent the transfer of trillions to law firms.

    • charge back!

    • I mean, they can't make up rules about it. they have to refund canceled or postponed shows at least in most of the world.

      This is the company that offers you the option to print your own tickets at your own cost (thereby saving them printing and distribution fees) ... and then has the cheek to charge you for emailing the PDF.

      If anyone can try to make up rules about refunds, I'm pretty sure Ticketmaster will have a good go.

    • Got my email today about the "postponed" Primus concert. New date? Nope, TBD. Refund? No information available.

      Yea, I feel like I'm getting screwed. I could really use that money right now. I shouldn't be denied it due to the Ticket Bastard's business model.

    • Live Nation Entertainment’s latest is offer EXTREEMLY DECEPTIVE!!! The big problem is you cannot get a refund from a resold ticket because the ticket brokers enforce their refund policy legally through a linguistical distinction between “POSTPONED” and “CANCELLED”. POSTPONED does not address where most of their money is made or the largest amount of potential refund money is at, their resell companies. No word on those. A large amount of revenue is in their own ticket resell su
  • by AndyKron ( 937105 ) on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @07:28AM (#59971872)
    After being held over a pot of boiling oil Ticketmaster does the right thing
    • After being held over a pot of boiling oil Ticketmaster does the right thing

      "then given 30 days to request a refund"

      I would disagree that they've done the right thing. I would be okay with "you have until 30 days before the new date for an event to request a refund", but not this. There are many moving parts with some events. Sure, most events are just local "get in my car and drive to the venue" type things, but many others involve booking travel arrangements, somewhere to stay near the venue, and may involve several other people who also need to make arrangements. Requestin

  • I suspect their legal team quietly informed them they don't have a leg to stand on.
  • But only for the people who purchased the 'ticket insurance', right?!

    As if that counts for anything.

  • That there aren't any arbitration clauses hidden somewhere in their website click-by EULA agreements, because they could drag out refunds for years.

  • Everyone is talking about Ticketmaster, because they're the biggest and get the most coverage, but what about the other ticket resellers?

    I have had one concert, of many, for which I bought tickets through TM that's been cancelled. To their credit, I got an email from TM within minutes of learning the show was cancelled confirming that fact, and stating that I would receive a refund within thirty days. The thirty days bit is scummy, but I saw the same thing with Expedia earlier this month cancelling a hotel

    • They're also the biggest assholes in the live event business, so there's a bit of schadenfreude going on.

    • AXS sent me an email today about the "postponed" (no new date) Primus concert I bought tickets for. No refund option, no plans for refunds for moved events, and no dates for when the concert might happen.

      Yea, at this point, they seem worse than Ticket Bastard, probably going to get away with it because they're smaller and not getting the bad press Ticket Bastard is dealing with.

  • convenience (Score:4, Funny)

    by bugs2squash ( 1132591 ) on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @12:08PM (#59972596)
    Dear concert goer wannabe. Your event has been cancelled, we are refunding the ticket price minus a refund convenience fee. you owe us $30.95.
    • First time I bought a ticket was when they tried to charge me a $14 convenience fee to let me print my own tickets. I had them mailed to my house for free, instead.

  • Ticketmaster has a history of slapping on random fees with no explanation or logic. So just assume they will slap on a $200 refund fee. That's per ticket.

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