Trump's Disinfectant Talk Trips Up Sites' Vows Against Misinformation (nytimes.com) 332
Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook's chief executive, said in March that promoting bleach as a cure for the coronavirus was "misinformation that has imminent risk of danger" and that such messages would immediately be removed from the social network. President Trump has now put Mr. Zuckerberg's comments to the test. From a report: At a White House briefing last week, Mr. Trump suggested that disinfectants and ultraviolet light were possible treatments for the virus. His remarks immediately found their way onto Facebook, Instagram and other social media sites, and people rushed to defend the president's statements as well as mock them. But Facebook, Twitter and YouTube have declined to remove Mr. Trump's statements posted online in video clips and transcriptions of the briefing, saying he did not specifically direct people to pursue the unproven treatments. That has led to a mushrooming of other posts, videos and comments about false virus cures with UV lights and disinfectants that the companies have largely left up.
A New York Times analysis found 780 Facebook groups, 290 Facebook pages, nine Instagram accounts and thousands of tweets pushing UV light therapies that were posted after Mr. Trump's comments and that remained on the sites as of Thursday. More than 5,000 other posts, videos and comments promoting disinfectants as a virus cure were also on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and YouTube this week. Only a few of the posts have been taken down. The social media companies have always trod delicately when it comes to President Trump. Yet their inaction on posts echoing his remarks on UV lights and disinfectants stands out because the companies have said for weeks that they would not permit false information about the coronavirus to proliferate.
A New York Times analysis found 780 Facebook groups, 290 Facebook pages, nine Instagram accounts and thousands of tweets pushing UV light therapies that were posted after Mr. Trump's comments and that remained on the sites as of Thursday. More than 5,000 other posts, videos and comments promoting disinfectants as a virus cure were also on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and YouTube this week. Only a few of the posts have been taken down. The social media companies have always trod delicately when it comes to President Trump. Yet their inaction on posts echoing his remarks on UV lights and disinfectants stands out because the companies have said for weeks that they would not permit false information about the coronavirus to proliferate.
Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:4, Informative)
Hey UV light is in fact a real medical treatment that can be done on blood.
So why are you lumping that in with disinfectant, which is not used in treatment of humans?
Not sure I want people deleting anything who just jump to assumptions about what is real and what is not.
Re:Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:5, Informative)
Please give the President some slack (Score:5, Insightful)
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
Bertrand Russell
Re:Please give the President some slack (Score:4, Insightful)
Well played.
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Ya, he wins the internet for today.
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Like a pointy haired boss? The one that had a bunch of waiters show up to the meeting because he though we were short of servers?
You can read his words yourself (Score:2)
And yes, he literally said "Like injection inside or almost a cleaning". And he said this to people who deeply trust his words in the wake of a man dying after trying fish tank cleaner [cnn.com] as a treatment for COVID.
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in the wake of a man dying after trying fish tank cleaner
You mean the guy who was murdered by his wife, murdered with fish tank cleaner, that guy?
The guy who was also devoutly anti-trump? That guy?
You are the stupid one that is too trusting. You are the one that believes everything the media tells you. You are the trusting rube, and you are projecting your own massive failing onto others.
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Technically speaking it hasn't been proven that the wife poisoned him. The police are just investigating the wife for possibly poisoning him.
Just channeling my inner pedant.
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To a Trump fan, anything can be twisted such that their hero can never make a mistake. Only the second man in history to never make a mistake.
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The MEDIA.
The LAWYERS
The LIBERAL ELITE
The IVY LEAGUE
The NIMBY CROWDS
The INTERNATIONALISTS
The PROFESSORS OF WOMAN STUDIES
The POLITICAL MACHINES
The SJWs
Re:You can read his words yourself (Score:4, Interesting)
Why are all of these "mortal enemies"? The media is mostly neutral, and they're the ones who brought Trump to power in the first place. (neutral in the sense that they slavishly report what people say and keep the analysis to a minimum)
Trump went to an Ivy League school. Trump is an Elite of the highest order (do not believe him when he says he prefers hanging around poor people). Trump is pretty liberal in many issues (not opposed to gay marriage for example).
Re:Please give the President some slack (Score:5, Insightful)
I won't call Trump clever, but it is definitely the case that people who think he said drink bleach, inject Lysol or whatever other bullshit you hear from cunt morons these days, qualify as a "stupid man"
His exact words:
And the disinfectant that "knocked it out in one minute" was isopropyl alcohol. So, yes, Trump literally suggested that we should try injecting isopropyl alcohol.
Re: Please give the President some slack (Score:3)
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He did neither. That's the point - you refuse to simply understand basic English, because of politics
He said a very stupid thing for any President, even one who wasn't a minority-elected one with massive personality disorders, to say. You are trying to pretend, for politics, that the words of the President of the United States of America don't carry any weight with his supporters, the supporters that he encourages to ignore science and "experts" on a regular basis.
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qualify as a "stupid man"
Your sentence can't even find agreement with itself, perhaps you judge hastily?
Except Trump didn't actually know that (Score:4, Interesting)
Sorry, but you've got some serious TDS going on. He said something dumb and irresponsible. You'd be better off just owing up to that. At this point the obsession with defending him is just a Streisand effect on the whole thing.
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Trump brought up the UV treatment because there was already a test underway [washingtontimes.com] with Cedars-Sinai Hospital whereby a UV source is inserted into the lungs. It isn't that far-fetched of an idea if lung tissue isn't completely opaque to whatever lambda they are trying.
Ohhh was that it? Trump was aware of the treatment - for the lungs - but thought that the treatment would be performed through the skin instead of using a catheter to introduce it into the lungs from the trachea? That makes total sense
- No One
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He brought it up because someone mentioned that UV killed the virus, NOT because UV killed the virus in actual people. It is highly doubtful that Trump knew anything about treatments underway as he is notorious for ignoring details in briefings (ie, he felt the daily security briefings were too long with too much data). He only mentioned the UV and disenfectant because someone had mentioned just a few minutes earlier. In short, he was RAMBLING, he was not exhibiting signs of genius. That's the only reas
Re:Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:5, Interesting)
The problem is that Trump obviously didn't understand what he was told, repeated it with heavy distortion and the whole shit is gobbled up by the media, and that his followers will add more distortion in a misguided attempt to cure themselves. That is the core problem here.
It's the same shit as with many other "miracle" cures. Take bleach. It's great for killing germs. And you can use it to disinfect water and surfaces. You should of course not drink it. But if you omit that last bit, people will only get "it kills germs" and maybe consider it a sensible drug for curing a disease. And while it will probably kill the disease, it will also do the same to the person carrying aforementioned disease.
So yes, these things are tried and there are clinical tests underway that may actually use these things. But don't tell it to a dunce like Trump who'll listen with half an ear, mix it with half baked bullshit that's already festering in his brain and spout it at a press conference for everyone to hear.
I honestly wish I could have seen the face of the person who told Trump about this test. The facepalm must have been epic.
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At best his comments were completely incoherent. At worst, he was suggesting exactly what many interpret his words to have said. So the best case scenario is he's an incoherent moron, the worst case scenario is he's a malicious moron.
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While his comments were kinda stream-of-consciousness rambling, they were directly related to what the doctors were just saying 5 min before he was responding. He never said inject bleach, he was referencing how disinfectants are injected into the air stream of intubated patients, usually in the form of ozone in the trials they have been doing. The ozone directly kills pathogens and actually metabolizes into a small concentration of H2O2 in the bloodstream. Nowhere except in the media did anyone talk abo
Re:Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:4, Insightful)
English is my first language. Whenever I listen to Trump speak, I wonder what his is.
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For Wikipedia, it's called "Basic English". A significant subset of the English language which is useful for non-native speakers or those still learning the language. Basic English includes all the best words.
Re:Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:5, Funny)
For Wikipedia, it's called "Basic English". A significant subset of the English language which is useful for non-native speakers or those still learning the language. Basic English includes all the best words.
But it doesn't have the bestest words. If you're gonna English, do it bigly.
Re:Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:5, Funny)
I just CAN'T WAIT for Trump to debate Biden. It's gonna be LIT
I am unsure of the slang, but I suspect that "LIT" does not mean "literary".
Re:Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:5, Informative)
Here are his exact words. When he was saying these words, he was relaying the conversation he (supposedly) had with the medical experts to the reporters (emphasis mine).
Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it.
And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting
And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that? Like injection inside or almost a cleaning because, you see, it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number in the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that.
So yes, TDS for repeating his exact words and their meaning.
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Yes that's what I assumed "it" referred to and it's still bad, with the meaning of that sentence being that disenfectant in the lungs will help with the virus in the lungs. I doesn't sound like he was musing about disinfectant in the stomach doing a number on the viruses in the lungs.
Re: Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100 (Score:2, Informative)
Most of the world's news organizations have understood exactly what he said. Folks like you are a very small minority. If you think WE are all morons, well I guess you are beyond our help anyway.
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If English is your first language, his comments were completely understandable.
If you consider anything Trump has said to be understandable English then you went to a really crap school. People who actually work in the field of understanding English disagree on what Trump says on a daily basis. *Trump himself* disagrees with what he said.
The only way to misconstrue what he said in "many" claimed is to be completely debilitated with TDS.
It's amazing, so far with 100% accuracy the only people who've accused others of having TDS have been completely deranged themselves. Thanks for not ruining the statistics.
Holy shit man, I've heard a lot of stupid defenses of Trump, but that people "u
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But we don't want idiots to hurt themselves! Remember, only complete morons would ever eat a Tide pod, and yet...
Re: Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100 (Score:5, Insightful)
Here is what most people who understand English would read that as:
"And then I see the disinfectant where it [the disinfectant] knocks it [the virus] out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that [knock virus out with disinfectant]? Like injection inside [he is talking about the disinfectant] or almost a cleaning because, you see, it [the virus again] gets in the lungs and it [virus] does a tremendous number in the lungs, so it'd [injecting disinfectant] be interesting to check that."
Keep in mind, most of the news outlets around the world have understood this to mean injecting disinfectant... Even Trump himself as he said he was being sarcastic about it. Not that we all misunderstood him.
Yes you would have to be an idiot to believe that would work. But with the standards that Trump is at, its not very hard to believe he would say that. We can just add it to the already long list.
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first of all he wasn't sarcastic, he was dead serious when he was asking that poor woman that question. Secondly, if either UV light or some type of desinfectant kills the virus then it also kills your living cells and tissue. It is not difficult to kill the virus. It is difficult also not to kill you in process. UV light applied to your lungs would burn them and they would stop oxygenating your blood, same with desinfectants. The cell walls are lipid based, the virus shell is lipid based (the virus gr
Re:Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, but Trump said something... that means it's bad. Hydroxychloroquine - bad. Oh wait. Remdisivir - bad. Oh wait.
And I am sure you read the headline showing that the largest study of hydroxychloroquine (when used for treatment of COVID-19) was stopped because the primary outcome was death? People haven't been saying it's a bad idea because Trump said it. They said it was a bad idea for Trump to say it because there is no evidence that it is helpful. Now we have evidence that it can actually be quite harmful and you're still spouting this a week after that study was terminated?
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I'm sure you didn't actually read anything about the study because otherwise you'd know that they gave it to the sickest of the sick and at doses higher than recommended in the literature for normal use.
It's as if they were trying to make it fail.
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Sure, Jan. The whole medical community is out to wreck a viable COVID-19 treatment only to hurt Trump's reelection chances.
You're a fucking imbecile.
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What country do you live in where any of that is even slightly true? I live in the U.S. and the medical community here never did or said any of those things.
Re:Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:4, Interesting)
F A K E N E W S
1: That was chloroquine, not hydroxychloroquine.
2: They were specifically testing the possible benefit of a higher-dosage treatment protocol. There was no significant benefit to outcome that outweighed the increased risk due to the high dosage, so they dropped the high dose group back to the normal dose.
3: They were testing chloroquine in isolation, not with azithromycin.
The best treatment protocol we have for people who get this shit to the stage that they get pneumonia is hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and vitamin D. If ventilation is required, non-invasive ventilation should be used. Invasive ventilation should be used only as a last result, and should be run in the opposite of traditional use.
Traditional use is high pressure and low (normal) O2 concentration, for people who can't breathe on their own (can't move the diaphragm or can but can't expand the lungs). Patients with COVID19-induced pneumonia and hypoxia need the opposite. They're generally breathing on their own but are not getting enough O2. They need higher O2 concentrations coming in at low pressure. High pressure just tortures them, and without increased O2 concentrations they'll still be suffocating.
THIS IS WHY HOSPITALS ASKED FOR CPAP AND BIPAP MACHINES. They are non-invasive ventilators, and can be converted to invasive vents with 1 attachment and 1 hose, if necessary.
Re:Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:4, Informative)
Hydroxochloroquine was bad
Wrong. Show me the study.
Hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin (and possibly vitamin D) is proving to be very effective.
Are you perhaps referring to the study referenced on Slashdot recently where they stopped treating people with high doses due to increased mortality rates?
1: That was chloroquine, not hydroxychloroquine.
2: They were specifically testing the possible benefit of a higher-dosage treatment protocol. There was no significant benefit to outcome that outweighed the increased risk due to the high dosage, so they dropped the high dose group back to the normal dose.
3: They were testing chloroquine in isolation, not with azithromycin.
Hydroxychloroquine is very well known and very safe, with almost no cytotoxicity at normal dosages. It's also showing to be pretty effective, especially in combination with azithromycin and vitamin D.
Try some facts. Your kind of bullshit will literally get people killed.
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Hydroxochloroquine was bad
Wrong. Show me the study.
Hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin (and possibly vitamin D) is proving to be very effective.
Ok, then show us the study.
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You are the perfect example of, "the Stupid man" in OrangeTide's post
Re:Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:5, Informative)
You are the perfect example of, "the Stupid man" in OrangeTide's post
Given your other post that Trump didn't say [slashdot.org] what he very clearly did say [slashdot.org], coming from you I will take that as an excellent complement. The rapid downmodding shows how desperate your ilk are to turn this around.
Trump literally said that the doctors should try injecting disinfectant. The only thing he didn't do is say "people should try injecting disinfectant at home". However that's not what you are claiming he didn't say. Looking at the YouTube video linked from that post it's incontestable [slashdot.org].
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So now you go from Trump said people should try it to Doctors should try it.
So the next step is for you to admit he was asking about possible therapeutic uses.
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So now you go from Trump said people should try it to Doctors should try it.
So the next step is for you to admit he was asking about possible therapeutic uses.
He was asking about possible therapeutic uses of injecting disinfectant into people. I am glad you have come around. And he wasn't saying Doctors should try disinfectant, he was saying doctors should try injecting disinfectant into people
N.B. this is a standard and well known thing. Drinking Lysol (the disinfectant explicitly mentioned in the press briefing) used to be a standard method of suicide. Injection is worse.
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The problem is that Trump is just throwing random shit at the wall and hoping something sticks so he can claim credit.
Yes. Take chloroquine*, f'rinstance. If he happens to be right, he "wins", and will squeeze all the propaganda possible out of it. If he happens to be wrong, well, he can say "it was research, it didn't work out, not my fault".
* Disclaimer: I do not mean to actually ingest chloroquine. Always seek a doctor's advice. *Your* doctor, preferably, not one who plays one on TV.
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Due to Trump's endorsement many more trials happened much more quickly which will have lead to a fair number of extra casualties.
I know, right? Yeah, those sciency types have a long history of doing what Trump says. Not only that, ever since Trump told everyone to inject bleach, researchers have begun extensive trials injecting various common household cleaners into COVID patients! We should have the results soon, because Trump told those scientists to HURRY!
Your president, through his six week delay in acting, is now responsible for killing more Americans than the Viet Cong [independent.co.uk].
All COVID deaths are because of Trump! Preach it, bro! A truer statement was never made. You sir, are a genius.
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But there are the correct levels needed. Not too much and not too little.
If taking the advice some people may just sleep with a black light on and figure they are going to wake up clean.
There are others who may take apart their Water UV cleaner, or something more powerful and give them cancer.
America is about "Get er Done" and a lot of people would happily build some crazy dangerous contraction just so they feel like they are being productive.
There are also people think Crystals have healing powers as well
Re:Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:5, Insightful)
The issue is Trump isn't a doctor nor a scientist, and Whitehouse briefings aren't the time to be armchair musing about the latest pseudoscience or highly experimental testing being done. He doesn't have some secret sources, he's just reading random shit some bumblefuck on Fox and Friends or Twitter retweet he saw earlier that day said. It's irresponsible and inappropriate on multiple levels. Especially given he has a personal cult that hangs on his every word and is constantly "interpreting the word".
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Also, President Trump never once said to drink bleach, that was the journolists who made up that lie just like every other lie they make up
I shouldn't be su
Re:Maybe you shouldn't judge until you can be 100% (Score:5, Insightful)
And it is unlikely that Trump knew about this company, and from the transcripts and recordings it was clear that he was not referring to an existing company or procedure that he may have heard of in the past. To suggest that he was deliberately trolling the press (as some have claimed) is also ludicrous.
The simple fact is, Trump made a mistake. That is not a disloyal or unpatriotic statement, it is not a sacreligious statement, it is not even an insulting statement. People need to stop busting their blood vessels everytime someone suggests that Trump made a mistake.
Trump was speaking in code (Score:3, Funny)
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Disinfectant = alcohol
UV = sunlight.
Basically, he is saying to go outside and drink.
You are the neighbor I'm looking for. Let's take down a fence panel and put out some chairs. Six feet or more apart, of course, and you stay on your side of the property line. I'll bring a pitcher of rye sours. You gotta bring your own glass.
Stupid liberals take shit to literal and don't understand doublespeak.
I'm gonna talk shit about "stupid conservatives" and their doublespeak about how "LIBERATE" and "FREEDOM" really means "Get the fuck back to work for my company, and no one cares if you die.", but I think we're gonna get along great. ;)
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FASCISM is being asked to wear a mask and avoid social contact. FREEDOM is forcing your employees to go back to work when many of their coworkers have died in a virus ridden meat processing plant.
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No, no, I got the snark. We're gonna get along just fine. No worries.
Last time I had moonshine was 1985, and my head. mouth. throat, and stomach still hurt from it.
In a world full of stupid, at least we can be stupid drunk. Cheers!
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I think the heart of the problem is that there's so much entertainment and misinformation available at the push of a button that people have lost motivation to learn anything and no longer feel like part of a community or society. As long as they can keep getting whatever entertainment they like when they like it, they don't give a shit about anyone or anything else. It's the internet, video games, porn, so-called "reality TV", (anti) social media, professional sports, etc. all contributing to it.
There's no
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Hey, cyberspittle's bringing moonshine and I'm drinking rye sours. Figure I'll go to the local halal butcher to pick up some wings for the grill. That Tyson's chicken has always been trash. I don't think we can fit that much more as the backyard's rather small, but your significant others are welcome too. I'll put some chalk circles down.
Least I can do as I can't give either of you modpoints seeing as they never give me any. Bastards.
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Yup, show me how you voted and I can guess if you wear boxers or briefs or go commando. I like to criticize both sides, but I also tend to criticize more whatever group is more in power at the time.
Mean what you say and Say what you mean (Score:5, Interesting)
When talking to the general public about 1/2 of the population is going to have below average intelligence.
There will be a set of people who will blindly follow the leader without thinking.
So as president it is your jobs to have the facts straight, and especially in time of strife, you need to Mean what you Say and Say What you mean. Jokes, Sarcasm, Abstract train of thought is not productive.
This a Crisis Management 101. There are people grasping at straws for direction, you need to offer the best advice for them, not what they want to hear, or even try to make them feel better at the moment.
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"as president it is your jobs to have the facts straight"
While I don't really care much for the guy overall I think you are being a bit harsh here. At the time he was asking a question to people who knew more on the subject than he did. Are you saying that he should just automatically know the correct answers or could it be that asking questions the the best way to eventually get those facts straight?
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Average of the US? Or average of a town in Minnesota?
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Average of the US? Or average of a town in Minnesota?
whoosh
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Average with respect to being a line from the intro to "A Prairie Home Companion".
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Which part 1/2 the population has below average IQ? That isn't judgmental just a fact, as you calculate the average by summing up the all the peoples IQ, and divide by that number of people. With large number say 300 million people nearly 1/2 will have a number below the average IQ.
Or the fact there are people who blindly follow their leaders? We have people grown up with the lesson that they have no power in the world and should just do what the Boss says. Also there are some religions where the leader
watch the clip yourself (Score:2, Informative)
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Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it.
And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting
And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that? Like injection inside or almost a cleaning because, you see, it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number in the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that
Emphasis added by me. The context of everything was stuff that was going to be tested. Yeah he has no idea what he's talking about, but he most certainly isn't telling the general public to try it themselves.
https://www.politifact.com/art... [politifact.com]
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Say the three words before your bold text. Come one say them with me.
Something like that.
The word "that" being disinfectant. Something like disinfectant. Like disinfectant. Not disinfectant.
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To illustrate my point (and let me state that I don't believe it applies to this particular case at all, but I'm just saying that because you seem to be the type of idiot that would try to spin it that way) imagine someone is making a joke. When you read a transcript you lose any sense of body language, tone of voice
Re:watch the clip yourself (Score:5, Insightful)
People are spinning Trumps words into something he did not say. Trump never said people should try it, or that it works. He said it was interesting and they were going to investigate. Never believe the media spin , always watch the FULL clips for yourself.
Everybody watched the clip and agree that that is what he is theoretically saying. However, everyone who is complaining about it realizes that when a leader says something like that in that specific setting that people are going to think that he is actually throwing out useful treatment and not just wondering things that most 5th graders already know is generally unsafe.
Trump has 24/7 access to some of the best infectious disease experts in the world. Why does he need to spitball these things during a press conference? Do you see any other world leader, CEO, etc., doing this sort of thing? Not typically. These events are designed for very controlled release of information to the world. It's okay to say that you don't know things. It's okay to say that you're looking into experimental treatments. But to make specific research recommendations that make him sound uneducated and ill-informed? That is not a sign of good leadership.
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Re:watch the clip yourself (Score:5, Insightful)
Leave it up... (Score:2, Insightful)
Leave the comments up... Honestly, anyone who thinks Trump suggested drinking bleach or injecting Lysol should be encouraged to do so, the world desperately needs that level of natural selection these days.
Are you that stupid? (Score:2)
If you believe that Trump suggested that you should inject bleach or disinfectant you clearly didn't listen to what he actually said but instead got your information from some other source. And if you then decided to follow the advice you think you received, you are in fact, that stupid.
And no, I don't think I need to bother posting links to the video that is so easily found by a simple search.
Good god damn, you idiots. 90% of the shit that man says is a mumbled bowl of nonsense but at least have enough res
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If you believe that Trump suggested that you should inject bleach or disinfectant you clearly didn't listen to what he actually said but instead got your information from some other source. And if you then decided to follow the advice you think you received, you are in fact, that stupid.
How about you double check your memory and stop trying to gaslight people [wikipedia.org] (#2, #3, & #7):
And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs.
Source of quote [factcheck.org] (there's also a video)
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He's no stable genius, but I honestly don't think Trump is an idiot. He is a loudmouth wondering out loud about something he is very ignorant about.
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Ultraviolet blood irradiation (Score:2)
I've wondered about UV light myself for years. Turns out it was being used and with success in the 1940's. Then antibiotics showed up.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122858/
Interesting.
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Perhaps, but normal people don't get to air such musings on live television.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Trump wondering if that could possibly work, there's something very seriously wrong with the time and place that he chose to speculate out loud about it.
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It's irrelevant how the media spins it, what's at issue is what actually happened.
Trump was obviously not suggesting that people literally take his advice.. he even openly admitted that he's not a doctor and that he doesn't know these things for sure, but the fact that he would openly muse about *ANY* unproven medical procedure when who knows how many non-medical experts were watching and listening t
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But what do you think the chances are that Trump would ever once admit to being out of line when he said something?
The same odds as those who lie and misrepresent everything he says ever stopping.
That's not how things work.... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is true.... but a live television feed is not the place to be musing out loud about unproven medical treatments, especially not for someone who, despite any claims he might try and make about "I'm not a doctor" or whatnot, there are plenty of other people who are not medical experts are still watching, and there are those that *will* tend to take him very seriously simply by virtue of the title of his position.
Worse, when he later remarked that he was being sarcastic, he claimed that he just said it to the reporters "to see what would happen".
This is about on par with somebody yelling "fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire "just to see what would happen".
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This is about on par with somebody yelling "fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire "just to see what would happen".
No, that is what the politicos are doing, the ones claiming that Trump thinks people should gargle bleach. It is exact same strategy that has been in play for the past four years Trump has been on the political stage. Fling shit and see what sticks.
Hasn't worked too well with the Teflon Don, but what else are they going to do for ratings, likes and retweets? Actual policy ideas or constructive criticism?
Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest? (Score:2)
It's not that Trump saying "can't we do something like [inject disinfectant]?" is suggesting that people should, as much as it's unclear rambling about the topic.
It's fine when you're yapping around the water cooler, but not when you're supposed to be communicating a message.
A president should be clear and decisive, not vague and divisive.
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A president should be clear and decisive, not vague and divisive.
As it should be for those whose job is to report on what the president says, and to inform us.
Yet for some reason, they get a pass. It seems illogical to expect one, but not the other.
Does this drivel fool anyone? (Score:2)
Look, I hate Trump. He's a low-IQ stooge and an absolute embarrassment.
But I keep seeing twitter scum (and articles like this) pretending "Trump told people to inject Lysol!!!". He absolutely did not, that is a lie. For all the "fact checking" wariness, it's funny nobody fact checks this claim itself.
He did no such fucking thing, and you aren't fooling anyone by pretending he did. What he did is muse, idiotically I might add, about whether such things might work or be avenues of investigation. So yes, he's
Youtube censoring a pharmaceutical company (Score:2, Interesting)
The best thing to avoid. (Score:2)
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Try not to sink to Trump's level in order to beat him. It won't work. There's an old quote about not wrestling with a pig. You just end up getting dirt
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Trump says some stupid shit and generally just babbles on a lot, but I don't see anywhere where he said anyone should drink or inject bleach..
Let me help you:
And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that? Like injection inside or almost a cleaning because, you see, it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number in the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that.
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The problem is not that he suggested people inject or drink bleach (because he didn't), the problem was that he was musing out loud about that this should somehow be looked into as a treatment *ON LIVE TELEVISION*.
The only *POSSIBLE* defense that Trump can make about his remarks in this matter are that he should not have been reflecting on such notions in front of the many non-medical experts that were watching him on television.
But the likelihood that Trump will ever admit that he was out of line to s
Re:Musing aloud taken to an extreme (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, I took it the same way. The thing is, while there is no such thing as a dumb question, there is such a thing as a dumb time to ask questions.
When you're giving a briefing, everybody presenting is supposed to have done their homework first. Trump is walking into these things unprepared, turning them into impromptu brainstorming sessions.
It's not that brainstorming session are bad, but they're bad at being briefings. And briefings make lousy brainstorming sessions, too: you can't give a simple "no" answer to a president's idea in a public forum; that would be seen as disrespectful.
And that leaves the media with a Catch-22. You can't *not* report what the president says during a briefing about the biggest crisis in a generation, even if it's just an idle brain fart.
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When you're giving a briefing, everybody presenting is supposed to have done their homework first. Trump is walking into these things unprepared, turning them into impromptu brainstorming sessions.
I'm not sure that's the case. Trump has a habit of saying bombastic things which provokes specific reactions in a certain segment of the population. They go off the reservation with their anger, and it's later shown that what Trump said was in the ballpark.
Point is, I'm not sure he says these things unprepared. How often has he pulled this trick? And the media and other fragile types keep falling for it. That takes planning.
Whether or not it was a good idea is a different question altogether, of course