Elon Musk Restarts Tesla Factory In Defiance of County Orders (techcrunch.com) 315
Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Monday that the company's factory in Fremont, California is open and has restarted production despite a stay-at-home order issued by Alameda County. TechCrunch reports: Musk said in tweet Monday afternoon that he will "be on the line," a reference to the assembly line at the factory where Tesla makes the Model X, Model S, Model 3 and Model Y. He added "if anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me." Musk's reopening follows days of public venting on Twitter as well as a lawsuit all aimed at pressuring Alameda County officials to allow the company to reopen its factory. Tesla filed a lawsuit Saturday against Alameda County seeking injunctive relief, an effort to invalidate orders that have prevented the automaker from reopening.
Tesla had planned to bring back about 30% of its factory workers Friday as part of its reopening plan, after California Gov. Gavin Newsom issued new guidance that would allow manufacturers to resume operations. However, the governor's guidance included a warning that local governments could keep more restrictive rules in place. Alameda County, along with several other Bay Area counties and cities, last week extended the stay-at-home orders through the end of May. The orders were revised and did ease some of the restrictions. However, it did not lift the order for manufacturing.
UPDATE (5/16/2020): "We have met with Tesla representatives and have confirmed that Tesla is not engaged in full operations, contrary to media reports" this week, read an announcement Wednesday from Alameda County's office of emergency services in its health care services agency.
"Tesla has confirmed that its operations require a substantial lead time to become fully operational, and their current operations are only slightly above Minimum Business Operations."
Tesla had planned to bring back about 30% of its factory workers Friday as part of its reopening plan, after California Gov. Gavin Newsom issued new guidance that would allow manufacturers to resume operations. However, the governor's guidance included a warning that local governments could keep more restrictive rules in place. Alameda County, along with several other Bay Area counties and cities, last week extended the stay-at-home orders through the end of May. The orders were revised and did ease some of the restrictions. However, it did not lift the order for manufacturing.
UPDATE (5/16/2020): "We have met with Tesla representatives and have confirmed that Tesla is not engaged in full operations, contrary to media reports" this week, read an announcement Wednesday from Alameda County's office of emergency services in its health care services agency.
"Tesla has confirmed that its operations require a substantial lead time to become fully operational, and their current operations are only slightly above Minimum Business Operations."
injury attorney will make an quick case out of thi (Score:2)
injury attorney will make an quick case out of this for any worker that get's sick on the job!
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Which is very likely why this is all happening. Since the government is basically in absentia, we're going to work out liability on a case by case, state by state basis like colonial hicks, rather than do something intelligent.
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Considering the workers need to follow a long and detailed HSE policy specific to this return to work to ensure their own safety, injury lawyers will likely very have a field day doing nothing more than lining their pockets from frivolous lawsuits that leave workers broke.
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What case, the stats show they will all be fine.
Explanation (Score:2, Flamebait)
Either haters were right and Tesla cannot survive a quarter because of a tight financial situation, or Elon Musk has definitely gone nuts.
Or both.
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Next time Musk will fire up the flamethrower and fill the moat.
Fill the moat .. with bears! (Which once actually happened, humorously enough.)
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The only way to protest an government order without a law is get taken to court over it. Getting arrested or a citation and going to court is the civil thing to do. Next time Musk will fire up the flamethrower and fill the moat.
Such is the case to the owner of "Salon A la Mode" in Dallas. She got arrested, fined and tossed in Jail for defying "stay at home" orders and keeping her business open to cut hair. Which, by the way, she did about as safely as I could imagine, requiring gloves, masks, social distancing and the minimum number of people in the salon as possible (you waited in your car until they where ready to take you).
She's likely going to haul the city of Dallas into court and win a huge civil rights settlement for he
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The state militia, or a bunch of yahoos with guns and too much beer? Hurray for being able to define what laws personally will and will not affect you. But they're only acting this way as it's their recourse because they have a governor elected by the people who they wish the people had not voted for and no chance of a recall election, so there's the chance to make things look bad for everyone involved.
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Either haters were right and Tesla cannot survive a quarter because of a tight financial situation, or Elon Musk has definitely gone nuts.
Or both.
There's a difference between not surviving a quarter and that quarter setting you back many years. The world's largest companies are in fucking crisis mode thanks to the past quarter. I guess they also can't survive a quarter since they are shedding workers and doing everything possible to get operation going again right?
Lawsuits ahoy (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Lawsuits ahoy (Score:5, Insightful)
Encouraging workers to break the law and the inevitability that workers will die is not smart. He is going to have his ass sued by shareholders, insurers and employees.
There's a lot to unpick in that statement, but let me take a crack:
a) Workers aren't breaking the law by returning to work. If anything employers are.
b) It isn't inevitable that anyone will die. It's not even inevitable that anyone will contract coronavirus. You'd know that if you read the 36 page playbook [tesla.com]that Telsa prepared to ensure worker safety as they return.
c) Shareholders won't sue him for attempting to increase their bottom line. That makes no sense
d) Insurers won't sue him they won't care. If anything the legal battle will be for people who made claims which were denied, and see (b) as to why this isn't a given.
e) Employees won't sue him, they are being given a chance to voluntarily make money.
The only thing that makes sense in your entire statement is the spelling and grammar.
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Nah, his post made perfect sense the first time. You almost even got it:
Yup, that's the point. Now the state and the employees who get sick can sue him over it, costing both Musk and the shareholders money just to sate his ego.
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Yes it is inevitable some will die.
Saying something does not make it so. Give the time difference between my post and your reply you're either the world's fastest reader or you didn't bother to even click on the link I gave you as the reason for my statement.
So go educate yourself a bit before madly posting opinion based on absolutely nothing tangible.
Shareholders will also sue him for any loss these deaths cause in the value of their stock.
Why would the stock go down? There's no basis in history for stock going down when a few workers die. It happens all the time. Stocks remain unmoved by such industrial incidents.
Insurers and families of employees WILL sue him if his actions caused deaths.
No insurers won
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Re:Lawsuits ahoy (Score:4, Insightful)
It is worse than that.
Any liability limits that the employees contract or law specifies will be out the window. An employee can collect any amount of damages they can prove with no limits. If 50 people in your extended family get sick and three die, you could hits "billions" for single claims. The "failure to follow the law" throws out all limits.
Tesla's liability insurers will not pay these claims. Insurance for a company does not cover the company if the company is engaged in illegal acts. Even if the court overturns the rules, the opening now is still something the insurers will consider illegal. Tesla will have to pay for this out of cash.
Telsa's shareholders will sue Musk himself for these losses. If they win, Musk could literally "lose his company".
So Mr. Musk should really listen to his lawyers.
Re:Lawsuits ahoy, she had no authority (Score:2)
The law? Some unelected, mindless county bureaucrat making law? Maybe in the EU. That's not how it works in the USA.
Pandemic or not, we are a nation of laws. If it's not in the Constitution or state law then it's not legal. This bureaucrat had no authority to make this law.
It's not about humanity then (Score:4, Interesting)
Can't you see what he can see? (Score:2)
Yakkity yak derp yak (Score:4, Insightful)
About 100 comments and not one actually has anything to do with the conditions at the factory.
I have looked at their publicly published re-open and operations plan for safety and it is impressive. From the looks of it you should conclude that it would be safer to work at the Tesla plant than it would be to go to the grocery store. The China factory also.
But no -- the I-hate-Musk-because-he-makes-me-feel-inadequate crowd has to pop off with their stupid fact-free opinions. And they are here in force.
Go and read what Tesla has done. There are pictures if you can't/won't read maybe you'll get the gist that way.
PS the Fremont Whole Foods store (there is one) does a pretty damn good job with trying to keep people safe. The Costco also. I didn't mean to demean them.
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They haven't actually made a complete plan yet, it's an outline for a plan. And people hate Musk because he's a lying huckster, at least the ones that pay attention. Most people just hear that he's a genius and take it at face value, until he starts talking about anything in which you have expertise. Unless you're not particularly knowledgeable about anything, then I guess you could continue to think he's great.
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Many workers don't want to break the law and endanger one another to help pad your bank account Elon.
I know it is currently fashionable to jump on Elon these days, especially in order to get FP, but remember that Tesla is still not profitable [forbes.com], and Musk doesn't draw a salary from the company (beyond the required minimum wage.)
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He gave himself an $800 million bonus in stock options two weeks ago. But hey, he takes no salary!
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I don't think he's paid off the right people to play that game, either.
Workers are not at legal risk (Score:3, Insightful)
Many workers don't want to break the law and endanger one another to help pad your bank account Elon.
I don't believe the workers would be in violation here, only Tesla. In any event, I don't see *any* judge or law enforcement official arresting someone for going to work and the worker would have good case for saying that it's Tesla's problem, not theirs.
The snark about Elon is misplaced - The US and State officials have given the OK to restart, it's only the local county officials that have extended the shutdown.
He 'kinda has a point: we are now prepared, more recent data gives a better description of how
Re:Workers are not at legal risk (Score:5, Insightful)
Name them. Link to their projections. Because if the same 2008-10 suicide bullshit that I keep seeing, it's not even close. 10,000 excess deaths by suicide over three years. That exceeds... nothing.
Re:Workers are not at legal risk (Score:5, Insightful)
You're not naming anyone or providing projections. The bar's at 80,000 and rising. Show that the numbers I'm "ignoring" exceed that as claimed.
Re:Workers are not at legal risk (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Workers are not at legal risk (Score:5, Informative)
> Well, we now know Sweden's per-capita death toll is lower than much of Europe
WTF? Sweden's per-capita death toll is WAY higher than most of Europe! You're stating the exact opposite to reality, Sweden is a prime example of what NOT to do.
You've been listening to Trump so much your brain has rotted as much as his.
Here's the countries surrounding Sweden right now:
https://ourworldindata.org/gra... [ourworldindata.org]
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Here it is added to that graph I posted above:
https://ourworldindata.org/gra... [ourworldindata.org]
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Cherry picking [ourworldindata.org] goes both ways.
Here [ourworldindata.org] is the chart with most of western Europe included.
It still doesn't look great for Sweden, but at least it is a more fair view. But until the other countries start opening up, it is very hard to make a fair comparison.
Re:Workers are not at legal risk (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure it wasn't the Telegraph [telegraph.co.uk]?
Over the next year. Britain's COVID deaths are already at 32000.
But it's hardly foolish to dispute the claim that deaths will exceed COVID deaths. Also, that that 20,000 includes those afraid of "contracting virus in hospital." Who would will still be afraid of that if there were no social distancing requirement.
There are more than Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, and the UK [statista.com] in Europe. Germany and Denmark, for example. Norway and Finland are also doing substantially better.
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Fixed.
Re:What's he going to do to workers that don't com (Score:4, Insightful)
Many workers don't want to break the law and endanger one another to help pad your bank account Elon.
This "Profit or death" false dichotomy thing has GOT to stop.
It's not profits over life here. Covid-19 is out there, it's not going away anytime soon (if ever). We are going to have to learn how to live with his thing and return to a productive economy or face starvation world wide.
Remember, the purpose of shutting down our economy was to avoid overrunning our medical capacity. We've done that, we bunted the curve and kept this thing from exploding beyond our abilities to treat the sick. Now is the time to start, safely and cautiously, returning to work. Yea, we will be washing our hands, wearing masks and sanitizing surfaces more often; Yes you will be answering the questions and getting your temperature taken all the time; Yes, we will need to be cautious about those who are in the high risk categories.. But we MUST get the economy back on track or people will die due to starvations, lower standards of living and all the bad things that follow an economic depression. (Such as suicide rates, starvation and more).
Re:What's he going to do to workers that don't com (Score:5, Insightful)
^ this exactly. The shutdown was accepted to flatten the curve so to keep the health care system functional; not to make everyone permanently safe. It's quite likely there will never be an effective vaccine for Covid-19. If so we're all going to be exposed to it eventually.
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That's a pretty terrible nightmare scenario, because unlike what those in favour of downplaying everything want you to believe, medical scientists are actively researching long-term effects of coronavirus infections and are finding some not so funny results. There's cases of people with permanently reduced lung capacity, for example.
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That's a pretty terrible nightmare scenario, because unlike what those in favour of downplaying everything want you to believe, medical scientists are actively researching long-term effects of coronavirus infections and are finding some not so funny results. There's cases of people with permanently reduced lung capacity, for example.
COVID-19 often leaves long-term / permanent damage to lungs, heart, kidneys and brain, including increasing risk of PTSD, anxiety and depression. It's nasty shit, even if a large majority of people who get it never experience anything at all.
Re:What's he going to do to workers that don't com (Score:4, Insightful)
Many workers don't want to break the law and endanger one another to help pad your bank account Elon.
This "Profit or death" false dichotomy thing has GOT to stop.
It's not profits over life here. Covid-19 is out there, it's not going away anytime soon (if ever). We are going to have to learn how to live with his thing and return to a productive economy or face starvation world wide.
Remember, the purpose of shutting down our economy was to avoid overrunning our medical capacity. We've done that, we bunted the curve and kept this thing from exploding beyond our abilities to treat the sick.
It was also to give us time to build up medical capacity, learn to treat the illness, and potentially even vaccinate to achieve herd immunity. For all of those the flatter the curve the better.
Of course, we can't do a full shut down to wait for all of those, but it does mean there's additional benefit for every bit of curve flattening.
Now is the time to start, safely and cautiously, returning to work. Yea, we will be washing our hands, wearing masks and sanitizing surfaces more often; Yes you will be answering the questions and getting your temperature taken all the time; Yes, we will need to be cautious about those who are in the high risk categories.. But we MUST get the economy back on track or people will die due to starvations, lower standards of living and all the bad things that follow an economic depression. (Such as suicide rates, starvation and more).
If you restart too quickly you risk a big explosion in new cases, and need to shutdown again.
It's all about finding the right balance. And honestly, Musk is way too erratic to be someone I trust to make these kinds of decisions. He's been making weird-ass claims about COVID-19 for months, he's not the kind of person who should be allowed to arbitrarily ignore public health orders.
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The “We have to open or else” false dichotomy has to stop: how about offering a plan instead of just wanting to ‘open’. A plan is debatable, adjustable, quantifiable, so short of ZOMG open, what the heck are you actually advocating?
Example plan:
https://www.wmc.org/backtobusi... [wmc.org]
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BS, any plan provides a construct to talk about what risks might be considered acceptable and at what point governments, business and locals can talk like adults.
E.g. if we get above X capacity in hospitals, we ARE going to ask for another lock down. That’s a goal, you don’t have to like it but it can act as incentive to be smart about who you interact and how you choose to interact.
It’s not rocket science, it does mean though that people have to articulate and negotiate so we can form so
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We've done that, we bunted the curve and kept this thing from exploding beyond our abilities to treat the sick
Have you?
https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
The curve is still rising. More people are infected today than yesterday, and there's no sign of that getting significantly less. The number of new infections is dropping, but ever so slowly. Relaxing the restrictions can very easily send it up again. Other countries which are relaxing restrictions now are far, far more out of the waters, for example Austria [worldometers.info] (where I live right now). Compare the "active cases" curves of these two countries, and you understand why re
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But, even in NYC, where this thing was the worst, we've not overrun our hospital capacity.
I know it's hard to get it 100% correct here, but the estimates of how many would get sick and die have all been way too high so far. We overestimated the death toll, the infection rate, the hospitalization rate, and how many ventilators we needed.
Now we stand on the edge of the huge grey area, we've instituted social distancing, mask wearing and hand washing, which will DRASTICALLY cut down the rate at which this
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But we MUST get the economy back on track
But how will we stretch this economic downturn out until the November election? Never let a good crisis go to waste.
Even if the virus magically disappeared today, this downturn would last for a least another year or two, probably a lot more than that. It's completely impossible that the economy recovers by November.
Re:What's he going to do to workers that don't com (Score:4, Insightful)
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Good job trying to send us to a depression you virtue signaling piece of shit.
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Re:What's he going to do to workers that don't com (Score:5, Interesting)
He was obviously saying that when a company asks for 'volunteers', then opting not to volunteer will frequently lead to firing, not a statement about the economy in general. It wasn't a partisan or even government thing.
We are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. We saw in New York, Italy, and Spain what it looks like to not take it seriously in time. We know that pausing a lot of economic activity is also a big problem.
The biggest problem is that a loud contingent of people who think even being asked to wear a simple mask in public for a while is some horrific insult to their personal liberty. This cultural rejection is a key component of why we can't adequately suppress the spread of the illness. Hopefully people wouldn't have to stay home, but still maintain some distance and use masks, but even that seems too much to ask.
Of course, on the other extreme we have people who were on lockdown anyway and still went to hoard PPE, toilet paper, and other things, messing up supply chains for those that actually need those supplies.
There are mistakes in leadership that are frustrating, but honestly I'm not positive we would have had any better outcomes with seemingly more sensible decisions given the factors above.
Volunteers are volunteers (Score:2, Troll)
You do not need to be so cynical all the time.
Most of these workers live hand to mouth, and have been off work for weeks. I would expect that there would be a huge surplus of volunteers.
Incidentally, Australia killed Covid-19 without ever closing down the factories.
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Incidentally, Australia killed Covid-19 without ever closing down the factories.
Correct, however that's because we now predominately have a service economy instead of a manufacturing economy.
The reason that Australia didn't go to Level 4 restrictions and shut down manufacturing is because we shut down massive swathes of our service economy (restaurants, bars, tourism, education, etc) and put close to a million people out of work. It remains to be seen whether we will avoid a second wave that results in a harder lockdown as restrictions start to be eased.
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Sort of like asking for volunteers to work on the weekend. You just know it's probably a good idea to raise your hand if you want some longer term prospects.
German Stats (Score:2)
Seem pretty flat to me
https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
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Don't forget all the Republican governors who had similar shelter in place orders, at least the Republican governors who still believe in science and who didn't think it was a politically motivated hoax.
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Cuomo started off smart? Was that when he was forcing nursing homes with no covid-positive patients to take in patients who were positive?
He's a moron, just a well-spoken moron. He and De Blasio are mainly to blame for something like half the CV cases in the US.
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Trump relaxed protections against future recessions, got into a trade war with China, and drove down interest rates, crippling the fed's ability to keep the economy stable. After all that, do you really think a recession was not imminent?
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Re: What's he going to do to workers that don't co (Score:4, Insightful)
The actual science, even in the early stages, pointed to complete lockdown for older populations(60 and over), but none necessary for younger populations. What we got was ENTIRELY panic driven and had little to nothing to do with SCIENCE. This is blatantly shown with how Cuomo treated nursing homes as places to put Vovid positive patients as well as allowing covid positive workers to continue working at nursing homes.
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Or maybe the sky really is falling and the owners who will literally lose hundreds of millions of dollars if they get this wrong are just stupid.
Time will tell.
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So you did not volunteer. Hope your job is still there later.
No need to hope. Elon Musk and Tesla may be aggressive in wanting production, but they aren't stupid. They aren't going to sit down and spend the next 9 months being dragged through a class action lawsuit by employees laid off after being lied to about a voluntary work basis during a legally questionable flouting of state rules.
But yes I get it, all corporations and companies bad, don't misstep because everyone's primary concern is to ensure they can fire anyone at any time for any reason.
How much time did
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Re: What's he going to do to workers that don't co (Score:4, Insightful)
However, JoeBob who showed up was more productive in Q2 than you who didn't so he gets the raise and promotion. You? Well, we're watching and concerned about your long term productivity and potential at this company.
Smartly run companies don't just flat out fire people in such a blatantly stupid way.
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But, does anyone know in general, by what law do these local governments, or even the Gov. of the state have the power to tell private citizen owned companies if they can or cannot do business?
For the matter, what laws have been passed in these states that can force an individual to stay home?
I know there are special circumstances like martial law the can curtail some rights but I"ve not heard that martial law has been enacted anywhere in the US?
Does anyone know
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I saw a video addressing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
In short, it seems the constitution allows for it and there have been lockdowns in the past that withstood legal challenges.
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Almost everywhere declared a state of emergency. A state of emergency confers special powers. A hurricane is going to strike a city and you want to kick a buch of idiots out so they don't die? State of emergency.
Martial law is kind of like a state of emergency except the military (that's what martial means) administers it instead of the government. Martial law happens when things are *really* going to hell.
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This is only voluntary if they would continue to get paid leave and they would not be fired for mot coming back. Otherwise there is some coercion to make a decision that involves some risk for some compensation. This is not a bad thing, but no more voluntary than me telling subordinates that I have sell 100 cases of Girl Scout cookies, and it would be nice if that ha
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This "Rona will kill us all" posturing is nothing more than tribal signalling, or, worse, genuine fear of a very small risk thanks to actually believing the media.
What it's like to believe everything in the media. [youtube.com]
I dunno, this one might be too close to call.
Re:Stand up to FUD (Score:5, Insightful)
This also hurts impacts their health issues as they lose access to their health insurance.
Maybe changing how health insurance is provided might be better in long term than keeping the status quo? After all this is not the first, nor will it be the last crisis to hit the population. Employer provided health care is basically a relic from WWII that doesn't really stand up to the challenges of 21st century work forces.
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If the removal of employee-provided health insurance was the only thing the improved after this COVID panic, it would make everything worth it. As you say, it's an outdated relic designed to get around government wage controls during a World War. Long past time for it to go away, and return to having an open insurance market again.
Stand up to misinformation (Score:2)
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Your point would be better without the hyperbole. Half a percent infected means there's room for about a 200x increase in infections. Not ten more thousand-fold increases. 200 * 80 thousand dead is a horrific enough number.
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Good for him, need to stand up to FUD.
He's not standing up to FUD in the slightest. Tesla is taking this quite serious and has developed a long and extensive playbook on how to manage the health crisis while resuming operation. They recognise there is no FUD, that the health crisis is actually real and that things need to be managed.
The only FUD being spread is that of politicians slagging each other over the economy while ignoring actual science
The curve has been flattened. The goal posts keep moving.
The goalposts never moved. Never has a curve been published that stops at the peak of flatness. The
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We get it already, the people you like should be immune to any laws and those you dislike should be punished dearly.
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Re: Stand up to FUD (Score:2)
Because if you flatten the curve and then remove all the measures that flattened the curve, you get a spike. The goal isn't just to flatten the curve but to keep it flat.
This isn't worth breaking the law over (Score:3, Interesting)
This whole episode has exposed some glaring Constitutional questions on where exactly each governing authority's powers begin and end. Can the President mandate quarantine? Can the President mandate quarantines be
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Actually, the questions were answered when the Constitution was written. No, the President cannot "order" lockdowns. Actually, the President cannot legally order very much outside of his executive branch. Governors cannot "order" anything, nor can county executives, mayors, or anybody else. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
I'm not saying lockdown was a bad idea. We've stayed home except for essential shopping. But it wasn't because someone told me to do it - it's because it
Stand up to willful dumbfuckery (Score:5, Insightful)
The only reason the death toll isn't FAR higher is due to the very restrictions you're whining about. Without them, you'd be like Sweden who have ten times as many cases as their neighbors:
https://fair.org/home/by-as-su... [fair.org]
And the bodies would be piling up so fast the National Guard would be loading up corpses onto trucks because the medical and mortuary systems are completely overwhelmed. It already happened in Italy:
https://www.businessinsider.co... [businessinsider.com]
Stop being a stupid selfish prick.
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What for? For coming up with a long and detailed worker safety plan which was openly published, makes perfect sense and from the looks of things goes a long way to ensuring operation can safely resume?
Or did you just think he said "fuck it we're opening again"? If so maybe you should read more and comment less.
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Uh, that's exactly what he just did. Pulling an Elizabeth Warren with an "I have a plan for that" doesn't change the fact he's a petulant, entitled robber baron who can stand that he has to wait another week.
You first. If every CEO was allowed to say "fuck it, we're opening" then there would be no shutdown.
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"If every CEO was allowed to say "fuck it, we're opening" then there would be no shutdown."
And if they look the other way and Musk faces no consequences there's not going to be another shutdown. Every business will defy them and remain open.
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I see your yelling at clouds [imgur.com] isn't limited to the subject of radioactive water heaters.
Re:Put him in jail (Score:4, Insightful)
This meme was created for economic sociopaths like you:
https://imgur.com/gallery/vgb4... [imgur.com]
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Are you retarded? I ask this seriously.
>The shutdowns are in violation of the 1st amendment
Uhhh, pretty sure he can TALK or print shit to his hearts content.
>The shutdowns are in violation of the 5th amendment
None of the these lockdowns take property, or force anyone to testify against themselves. There is nothing here stating that certain restrictions on property usage can't be applied at certain times. Especially since at said time there is a state of emergency declared.
>The shutdowns are in viol
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He'd only have to wait another week. Musk might want to toss aside an investment in a stupid fit of pique but shareholders wouldn't let him piss away money to sate his ego.
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"Chances are"? For at least a week he's known that his open date was May 18. Like, he got a letter allowing him to open in 7 days. It wasn't a mystery, he's just 1 week impatient.