Global Coronavirus Cases Exceed 15 Million (reuters.com) 174
Global coronavirus infections surged past 15 million on Wednesday, according to a Reuters tally, with the pandemic gathering pace even as countries remain divided in their response to the crisis. From a report: In the United States, which has the highest number of cases in the world with 3.91 million infections, President Donald Trump warned: "It will probably, unfortunately, get worse before it gets better." The top five countries with the most cases is rounded out by Brazil, India, Russia and South Africa. But, the Reuters tally shows the disease is accelerating the fastest in the Americas, which account for more than half the world's infections and half its deaths. Globally, the rate of new infections shows no sign of slowing, according to the Reuters tally, based on official reports.
After the first COVID-19 case was reported in Wuhan, China, in early January, it took about 15 weeks to reach 2 million cases. By contrast, it took just eight days to climb above 15 million from the 13 million reached on July 13. Health experts stress that official data almost certainly underreports both infections and deaths, particularly in countries with limited testing capacity. The official number of coronavirus cases at 15,009,213 is at least triple the number of severe influenza illnesses recorded annually, according to World Health Organization data, while the death toll of more than 616,000 in seven months is close to the upper range of yearly influenza deaths.
After the first COVID-19 case was reported in Wuhan, China, in early January, it took about 15 weeks to reach 2 million cases. By contrast, it took just eight days to climb above 15 million from the 13 million reached on July 13. Health experts stress that official data almost certainly underreports both infections and deaths, particularly in countries with limited testing capacity. The official number of coronavirus cases at 15,009,213 is at least triple the number of severe influenza illnesses recorded annually, according to World Health Organization data, while the death toll of more than 616,000 in seven months is close to the upper range of yearly influenza deaths.
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That's not a very useful statistic either. Neither the total number nor the percentage gives any insight whatsoever to how it's spreading in rural vs urban vs truly remote areas.
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That's not a very useful statistic either. Neither the total number nor the percentage gives any insight whatsoever to how it's spreading in rural vs urban vs truly remote areas.
I'm in a suburban/rural county of 48,000 people. There have been 500 positive cases. 8 deaths - all people over 80. I still don't personally know anyone who has/had it.
And my state counts any death if the person had any covid-19 symptoms, regardless of their test results.
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If the person would have been alive today if they didn't have covid-19, it caused there death. Yes other things contributed, but if covid-19 didn't exist the person would likely still be alive -- that should count as a covid-19 death. Simple statistics can fish that out we have the average deaths per day and we know that number has increased.
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Answered below.
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I don't agree with that methodology per se, but the excess deaths we've been seeing show fairly clearly that we're probably undercounting COVID-19 deaths, not the opposite.
Additionally, it's possible return a negative result, but have it localized somewhere else in your body. So a patient with 'COVID toes' might return a negative swab, but if you do a biopsy on the tissue in their toes, their toes are infected.
Actually tracking what is and isn't a COVID death turns out to be non-trivial.
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As opposed to Florida which is intentionally undercounting the numbers, or Georgia where the maps are deliberately manipulated [maproomblog.com] to make it appear cases aren't as bad as they really are.
Then you have the CDC which says the real number of people who are or have been infected could be six to twenty-four times higher than reported [upi.com].
But yeah, keep trotting out the lie that anyone who dies from a cough is counted as a covid-19 death. It's not like the 150,000+ Americans who have died in the past few months were making up their symptoms.
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Virginia is adding "probable" covid deaths [richmond.com] to the numbers. These are people who died and weren't tested or tested negative. So, yes, the state is outright lying about the numbers. If you're familiar with the current politics of the state government, you'll know why.
My Mother died of respiratory failure a couple years ago. It was "probably" Wuflu. Certainly wasn't 60 years of smoking cigarettes.
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Ok, look up how many people died on a particular day about a month ago (deaths take about a month to get into the official CDC stats) and compare it to the same date last year. That will reveal if thereâ(TM)s an increase in deaths, which has to be covid related.
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âoeThe death numbers jumped around the state because VDH started adding âprobableâ(TM) deaths to the counts,â said Dr. Danny Avula, director of the Henrico and Richmond health districts. âoeThese are the deaths where COVID-19 is referenced on the death certificate, but there wasnâ(TM)t an identified confirmatory test.â
Don't make it sound as if they are just randomly adding numbers. For some reason or another, the medical professionals thought Covid
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Even if you tested negative. They are intentionally inflating the numbers.
Where does it say they count a covid-19 death even if they tested negative? You could try to make your case by comparing year-over-year deaths. Look CDC even has a visualization for this.. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/... [cdc.gov]
Give it 10 years (Score:2)
But by then the election cycle will be over right, so it's all good. Just like Wall Street all that matters is now. Right now.
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And my state counts any death if the person had any covid-19 symptoms, regardless of their test results.
COVID-19 only causes death in 3 specific ways. Your state isn't as dumb as you make it sound.
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That's not a very useful statistic either. Neither the total number nor the percentage gives any insight whatsoever to how it's spreading in rural vs urban vs truly remote areas.
Assuming you are in the US, I think this map [nytimes.com] is what you want. (make sure you delete cookies for NYTimes.com)
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It is pretty useful to show how things are just getting started worldwide. We are at the end of the beginning not the beginning of the end. And if we don't get lucky with a good vaccine or therapeutics in the next 6 months or so, things will get much worse before they get better.
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Except correctly structured randomized prevalence studies of Sweden and Spain show overall infection was under 5% (two of the areas with the highest cases and deaths per million). Which obviously means many areas are still way under 5% (like china with 90,000 cases- at most 450,000 cases out of 1.6 billion people).
So sure...
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I hope this fact doesn't surprise you, a single metric doesn't paint the whole picture. If you want more details you'll have to spend 5 minutes looking for them.
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I don't think we have any way of quantifying what's happening in rural or remote areas except in very rich countries. Nor do I think we have any idea of what it's doing in the vast urban shantytowns of the developing world. What chance do you think there is that public health authorities can quantify what's going in a place like this [wikimedia.org]? Or this [goo.gl]?
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This is not a "statistic" (a "statistic" is something that is computed from the values in a sample), and it isn't very useful by itself, as it isn't telling us anything more than the absolute number.
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At that point you will see that all that disregard looks more like mass graves and an unraveling of our social structure.
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We spend tens of billions of dollars on border security and police when TOTAL homicides per year are "only" 16,000 .. that's like .004% of the US population.
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Wouldn't a better metric be "active cases"?
Total cases will always go up, but active cases would give you an idea of how bad it "currently" is and whether the pandemic is growing or shrinking and how quickly.
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"So one in every 100 people has it so far."
If you test poorly.
https://ourworldindata.org/gra... [ourworldindata.org]
Missing Americapox (Score:2)
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US / Brazil / India leading the way (Score:3)
It's important to point out right now this growth is primarily coming from just three countries (US, Brazil, India) who accounted for about 63% of new worldwide cases yesterday (quickest metric for me to find). They also make up 55% of all confirmed deaths. The ability of each country to combat this pandemic has a big impact on the amount of people are going to die. These three countries had an average of 1.66 deaths per million people yesterday, while the rest of the world had 0.43 deaths per million. When looking at deaths / cases per million the US and Brazil are in a league of their own, with 4.6 deaths per million. No country can be expected to do a perfect job, but it is quite clear which countries are killing tens of thousands of their citizens through lack of strong leadership.
Most of the deaths could have been avoided (Score:2)
Preliminary Data Suggests Low-Dose Radiation May Be Successful Treatment For Severe Covid-19 [forbes.com] (preliminary data for Covid-19, but decades of evidence for the effectiveness in treating pneumonia)
Millions of lives could have been saved, if not for the misinformed [forbes.com] crusade against radiation.
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No. Preliminary data suggests many many things later proven to be false. "Malaria medicine cures covid19!"
A very small trial group does not prove a treatment anyway. Get a clue. Yet you're already blathering "millions of lives could have been saved!"
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hahaha, no, malaria medicine does not cure covid19 nor does it fail to prevent it, according to peer reviewed science.
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Pandemic over at 6,272,000,000 (6.272 Billion) (Score:2)
So basically, it's the first inning and the first batter hasn't even swung at the first pitch yet.
Treatments are bringing down the death rate. Social distancing is slowing things down.
Sweden- which was shooting for herd immunity by June 1st, has 78,504 reported cases. So maybe 400,000 total cases. 5,667 reported deaths... that's 7,700 cases per million and 561 deaths per million (passing Italy at 580 deaths per million soon).
They'll need another 8 million cases to reach herd immunity-- 800,000 cases per
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So people refusing to wesr masks and believing that the virus is a hoax is definitely not the reason?
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the protestors just said that the governement saying wear a mask and seperate was a lie and could be ignored. and since then they have.
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Right, Trump and several prominent republicans refusing wearing a mask had nothing to do with it either, everything is the protestors' fault. They have probably brought the coronavirus from China in the first place.
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We literally could have gotten this under control by now as over 2 dozen other countries show
There is one thing I can't understand about the people suffering from TDS: what exactly could the POTUS do or should have done to fundamentally improve the outcome?
He is just the lightning rod for his detractors and shiny beacon for his followers, but his effective power to change the outcome is limited to EOs, and, no matter how he's using them, gets pasted for it.
If you remember the Civic studies from when you attended school, *all* critical decisions impacting the COVID-19 pandemic outcome reside with th
How is COVID-19 affecting influenza though? (Score:2)
What do the #s for influenza look like in 2020?
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What do the #s for influenza look like in 2020?
Globally, influenza activity was reported at lower levels than expected for this time of the year. In the temperate zone of the northern hemisphere, influenza activity returned to inter-seasonal levels while in the temperate zones of the southern hemisphere, the influenza season has not commenced.
https://www.who.int/influenza/... [who.int]
Hopefully places taking precautions to limit the spread of SARS-2 will have the follow on effect of reducing influenza numbers as well.
Re: How is COVID-19 affecting influenza though? (Score:2)
Also a lot of the reporting is likely mixed together.
Hence why its inaccurate to compare COVID to influenza in isolation. You need to look at the entire picture because increased COVID is leading to decreased flu.
Analysis of numbers ... (Score:4, Informative)
The BBC did an analysis of the USA vs. other countries, and why did they mess up their re-opening [bbc.com].
The summary is that a country/province can re-open the economy when certain benchmarks are met:
a) What is the number of new positive cases per 100,000? Must be below 4/100,000
b) What is the number of tests per 100,000 residents? It must be 150/100,000
c) What percentage of total tests is coming back positive? Must be below 5%
There are other factors, including:
d) A two week drop in cases,
e) Having enough ICU beds to cope with the new cases after reopening
Why are the above guidelines important? Because it means the difference between what is happening now in Europe (all reopening), vs. what is happening in many USA states.
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Quite a few of us are gonna die!
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I'm going to die, eventually. I'll probably even make it through Biden's first term. I'm less confident that he'll make it.
We're all waiting for Biden to announce who we'll actually be voting in as President. We have about 3 months until the election and we still don't know who is running against Trump. Maybe he'll make it a big surprise and we'll get the reveal a week before the election, after the ballots are already printed. That would be an exciting way to run a country.
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They don't want to give people time to think about it, just get out there and vote Biden, because Orange Man BAD!
I hope you're wrong. The level of voter apathy in response to such a move would destroy the Democratic Party. And it would mean the Bernie bros were right all along.
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Europe has largely stopped testing
[citation needed]
Because the data sources I checked just now show no such thing at all.
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Most tests come back negative, and this is normal. More testing is better in that case. It doesn't inflate the number of confirmed cases, but improves the error bars for your current data. With more accurate data you can make predictions about trends and spread. It's the only way to know as early as possible that the outbreak is over.
In some states, they are having essentially a 100% positivity rate [msn.com]. This means the tests or methodology are faulty. More testing would inflate numbers, but that's not important, what's important is that something is wrong and needs to be corrected.
Don't be too obsessed about numbers, especially when you don't fully understand what they mean.
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In some states, they are having essentially a 100% positivity rate [msn.com]. This means the tests or methodology are faulty.
The impression I get is that the labs in question simply weren't reporting their negative results. I guess I would put that under "methodology", but not in the traditional sense of the word. :-)
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It's a bad practice that makes the statistics useless. It boggles my mind why labs did that.
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Two words: Inadequate training.
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Yet another two words: Private Labs.
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Gasp! I thought capitalism solved all problems. Why didn't market pressure improve the quality of private labs while also lowering administration costs?
Waving a magic wand of some chosen ideology does nothing. The hard work of auditing performance and correcting course is still necessary.
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When you test, you find cases. Europe has largely stopped testing. US is aggressively testing. Orange man bad though I guess.
The orange man is not nearly as dangerous as the ignorant people listening to and agreeing with his talking points. Europe has not largely stopped testing, and you can easily tell from positivity rates that more testing is not the reason infection rates are higher in the US.
The US is testing more than most countries, even on a per capita basis. For instance the US is has performed about 138 tests per 1000 people, while the UK has tested 119, 82 in Germany, 87 in Spain, and so on. But when you look at positivity rates, it is clear why the US needs to test more. We simply have far more infections. The US has about 12 tests per confirmed case, while the UK / Germany / Spain have 168 / 204 / 39 tests per confirmed case. You can look at Tests per confirmed case here [ourworldindata.org] if you think I am cherry picking countries. Only Sweden has similarly bad numbers as the US.
If the only reason the US had more confirmed cases yesterday than Germany was because we were testing more, our tests per confirmed case would need to be closer to 30,000 tests per confirmed case, which would be 2 billion tests if you are counting. We don't even have enough people in our country for increased testing to be the reason our confirmed cases are higher than Europe.
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and you can easily tell from positivity rates that more testing is not the reason infection rates are higher in the US.
This is a critical statistic that seems to be rarely discussed. Take the Netherlands for example. The past week has seen a doubling in cases compared to the week before and an increase in testing too. But one thing the government was quick to point out is that the positivity rate increased from 0.6% to 1% in the same period which straight away points out that simply more testing isn't what is raising the stats.
I'm surprised this stat isn't more widely used.
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Literally last month the CDC said there were probably 20 million cases in the US alone. Probably 40 million now. It just shows how silly this whole thing is. When you test, you find cases. Europe has largely stopped testing. US is aggressively testing. Orange man bad though I guess.
The evolution of the case count in the EU vs US:
https://ourworldindata.org/cor... [ourworldindata.org]
The reason the EU is not testing as much as the US is that many EU countries have got the pandemic under control and are simply monitoring and cracking down on regional outbreaks. The US has been yelling MAGA!! for six months and, apart from a few areas where intelligence has prevailed, not done a damn thing. As for Orange Man he's not so much bad as manifestly incompetent.
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Literally last month the CDC said there were probably 20 million cases in the US alone. Probably 40 million now. It just shows how silly this whole thing is. When you test, you find cases. Europe has largely stopped testing. US is aggressively testing. Orange man bad though I guess.
There's little point in testing in Europe in the volume that they did at the start of the pandemic. Why? Because for the most part, Europeans actually quarantined themselves, wore masks, and didn't act like idiots, so the virus largely died out for lack of access to viable hosts, and now there's approximately nobody left spreading it over there.
Let me know when all Americans are willing to make a similar sacrifice so that we can slow down our testing here, too.
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Because for the most part, Europeans actually quarantined themselves, wore masks, and didn't act like idiots ... Let me know when all Americans are willing to make a similar sacrifice
What the fuck more can we do?
Take a drive down to Orange County with a bag full of masks and glue. Glue them to the faces of everyone not wearing a mask. Better yet, hire an elite team of commandos to break into the White House and glue one to Donald Trump's face.
We've been in total lockdown since March! Everything is closed. Schools closed and are not opening again until at least 2021. My office has. been closed for 5 months and isn't opening again until at least 2021. I've been giving my kids hair cuts myself. I haven't seen any of my friends, been to a restaurant, or been anywhere other than grocery stores for 5 months. Seriously, what more can we do?
Yeah, but you live in a place where people are actually taking it seriously. In the town where I grew up, maybe half of all people are wearing masks. One town over, it was more like 2%. I did not go inside any stores there for obvious reasons. As long as a significant percentage of people are completely ignoring guidance on masks and physical distancing, this disease is not likely to diminish.
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Hey, you know Trump's goons working for DHS? Running around gluing masks on the maskless would be a perfect job for their extraordinary skills...."Stop fighting while I glue this sucker on!!". Hell, they can even glue them on the government monuments they are protecting. I'll be wanting to see nice pink masks on the confederate generals.
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We haven't been anywhere near total lockdown at any time in the US, with the possible exceptions of a few isoalted areas, and even those had exceptions that made the lockdowns less than total.
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Literally last month the CDC said there were probably 20 million cases in the US alone. Probably 40 million now. It just shows how silly this whole thing is.
It's difficult to take anyone seriously who does not understand the difference between cases and infections.
When you test, you find cases. Europe has largely stopped testing. US is aggressively testing.
Europe has a much LOWER testing positivity rate than the United States. They are doing a way better job of testing relative to need.
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Wrong.
Just looking at this map [ourworldindata.org], European countries are daily testing between 0.2 to 2.0 people per thousand, while the US is at 2.35 daily.
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"Europe has largely stopped testing. US is aggressively testing."
BS, even tiny Luxembourg tests 7 times more people a day. The US is only slightly better than Russia.
https://ourworldindata.org/gra... [ourworldindata.org]
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The mortality rate says nothing about the rate of people who are cured and yet have permanent organ and lung and in some cases brain damage
It's been talked about to death - what has not been talked about is that effect is quite rare.
What has also not been talked about, is what aspects of a persons existing health profile could lead to that result if they do get infected.
Basically only the things meant to scare you have been talked about, not anything that would be useful to anyone trying to stay safe or calculate risk profile.
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what has not been talked about is that effect is quite rare.
Actually what's quite rare is confirmed cases of damage. There is absolutely a chance that neurological issues and lasting heart, lung, and nasal damage is going usdiagnosed much like the actual number of confirmed COVID cases in a population with very little testing.
We're not putting people in MRIs, we're not ultrasounding their hearts and lungs, and we're not chasing former patients with phone calls asking them if their sense of smell has returned yet.
So you are partially right, the known cases are rare.
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It's been talked about to death - what has not been talked about is that effect is quite rare.
But how rare?
As Tim Minchin said: In a world with a population of billions, "one in a million" things happen all the time.
A mortality rate of zero-point-something also sounds like nothing. Until you realize that means a few people in a thousand die - and a few thousand in a million, and a couple million in the world.
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Actually, we have been talking about that. I've mentioned it on at least two or three occasions in the last week alone. However, even with easy access to testing, the mortality rate is still O(10) times that of influenza, and it is still O(100) times as contagious. It is a long way from being a "really bad cold", and no amount of testing is likely to change that.
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Of course it is talked about. Here in BC, they recently did an anti-body survey, seems about 8x the number of people have had it compared to the number that tested positive, which brings it up to 1% of the population, 1/10 of Sweden and leaving 99% to get infected by those asymptomatic cases. Means that the death rate could easily go up by an order of magnitude or more, and then there's all those who spend a month or whatever in hospital and are never quite the same.
It's actually the asymptomatic cases that
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Again.... is anyone on TV saying "So, the virus isn't as deadly as we thought....."?
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If the number of infected suddenly jumps by 800% due to antibody testing finding asymptomatic cases, the the virus is suddenly 1/9th as deadly as we thought it was.....
The idea IFR would be an order of magnitude higher than CFR is not new or news. This ballpark has been widely known and accounted for as much as possible in IFR estimates since at least February.
Again.... is anyone on TV saying "So, the virus isn't as deadly as we thought....."?
While the fact there is significant difference between IFR and CFR may be news to you it doesn't actually represent new knowledge.
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That's true, with more testing then ever here, we're hitting over 30 a day, it's worrying.
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We know it is deadly enough, combined with putting people in the hospital, often in intensive care, and when those hospital beds aren't available, a lot more die, including people without Corona but having a stroke, heart attack etc. At least for us rich nations, we can make some sacrifices and save lives and keep people healthy. Remember recent bad flu strains have low mortality due to vaccines. Consider a 100 years back, 50 million killed by one flu strain.
Re:American hospitals are full, Europes are not... (Score:5, Insightful)
All of Europe put together had less than 300 deaths yesterday. We had 1000.
Europe is getting back to work. Europe got Covid under control. We did not.
We are sitting at home watching our relatives die, while the president whines and lies.
That is why Americans are banned from Europe, but Europeans can travel freely.
America currently has the worst Covid outbreak in the world. But sure, take solace in the fact that this was completely preventable, unlike dense urban areas in Europe where the virus could spread faster until it was brought under control.
But sure, keep worshiping the orange clown who is causes more deaths in a typical week than Osama Bin Laden caused in his entire career as a terrorist.
Saddest thing of all, Trump is ashamed put on and take off a mask in public for fear of people seeing his smeared orange makeup.
Orange Makeup Bad. Mass Death is worse.
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And this is all of Europe, including countries like Russia, Ukraine, UK and whatnot. The EU27 has at most 100 daily deaths - fewer than Florida.
Can't blame it all on Trump (Score:2)
Trump didn't force New York nursing homes to take back covid patients or forbid DeBlasio (who himself had to be dragged kicking and screaming to take the virus seriously) from closing down NYC.
https://www.propublica.org/art... [propublica.org]
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It takes longer for a lake to freeze, per-gallon, than ice cubes in an ice maker. Even at colder temperatures. We're just far more dilute than Europe and it takes longer to reach critical mass.
Re:American hospitals are full, Europes are not... (Score:4, Informative)
Now do ICU beds.
Also, hospitals still have other diseases and injuries to treat besides COVID-19. When you break it down by states that are hotspots, like Texas, Florida, Arizona, that percentage starts to look a whole lot worse.
Let's put it a different way: Since March, COVID-19 has killed more Americans than traffic accidents, gun violence, and overdoses, combined kill over an entire year. More Americans have died from COVID-19 in just these few months than there were US combat deaths in any single year of World War II.
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Re:How about pneumonia, heart disease or "Other" (Score:4, Insightful)
So quit acting like your laissez-faire, no mask-wearing, lack of willingness to do your part to control the pandemic is somehow limiting the economic damage. Because it's not.
Rather, you are helping continue and spread the pandemic and making the economic damage even worse.
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The COVID-19 deaths after a year are going to come pretty close to total tobacco deaths. After four months, we're already about 1/3 of the way there.
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Because it is wrong. You can test like crazy in a population with no cases and you're not going to find anything but a few false positives.
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Re:Congratulations USA! (Score:5, Informative)
US deaths per capita are lower than Belgium ,United Kingdom, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Chile and France. Basically the US is doing better than all the "enlightened" European countries with their super-duper "free" healthcare. But Orange Man Bad I guess.
Oooo, Oooo, are we playing a game of cherry picking? ... I can cherry pick too!!! US deaths per capita are higher than Germany, Portugal, Spain, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, and Japan. Basically the US is doing worse than all the "enlightened" European and Asian countries with their super-duper "free" healthcare. Orange man is indeed a bad president I guess.
Re:Congratulations USA! (Score:5, Insightful)
You are correct. Also, US deaths per capita are lower than Belgium ,United Kingdom, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Chile and France. It is almost as if FUCKING ORANGE MAN BAD MAKES NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE to how viruses spread. Jesus Christ, you people are so fucking insane. I get the term "TDS" now. You guys are delusional.
Let me throw some non-cherry picked data in your face:
.. because somebody finally chiseled through his thick skull and injected the realisation that the USA is becoming the plague belt of the western world.
https://ourworldindata.org/cor... [ourworldindata.org]
The population of the US is about 320 million, it is at 4 million COVID cases and counting. The population of the EU is around 500 millions, it is at COVID 2,9 million cases and counting. It's almost as if ORANGE MAN'S UTTER AND MANIFEST INCOMPETENCE HAS A MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. Oh, and invoking Jesus won't help you, what will help you end this pandemic in your country is hand sanitiser, mandatory mask wearing and social distancing. Why do you think DJT is showing himself in public wearing masks and warning people that this pandemic may get worse before it gets better alluvasudden [cbsnews.com]?
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US deaths per capita are lower than Belgium ,United Kingdom, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Chile and France. Basically the US is doing better than all the "enlightened" European countries with their super-duper "free" healthcare. But Orange Man Bad I guess.
No worries. You are on track to be passing most of them before autumn. Orange man is on the case!
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France will probably be passed by the end of next week.
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Cumulative [ourworldindata.org] total deaths per capita, maybe.
But [ourworldindata.org] not the daily per capita rate.
We are rapidly catching up to the worst European countries totals.
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Yep. In the past two months Italy had 3000 deaths, while the USA had 45000. By october Italy will definitely be passed and most likely Spain too. But there is always Belgium, I guess.
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Europe and NYC have "flattened their curve" because THE FUCKING VIRUS ALREADY WENT THROUGH THE POPULATION.
Can you offer credible evidence to support your claim?
Estimates I've seen for infection rate of NYC population are in the quarter of whole population range. This is not sufficient to have the effect you are ascribing.
https://www.medrxiv.org/conten... [medrxiv.org]
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Nope, even im the worst hit parts of Europe only 10% or so had the virus. And the fact that you choose to defend a deeply amoral and irresponsible man no matter what is telling.
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You could drive drunk while wearing a seatbelt and significantly improve survival rates in a crash over not wearing a seatbelt.
Trump didn't initiate state-level shutdowns. He directly discouraged and fought them. He did not encourage face masks and social distancing until sometime this week, medical professionals and states did that. You could say that Trump, by limited power in not being a dictator, enabled the saving of over a million lives.
That 2 million person projection is based on doing absolutely
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Trump saved 1.86 million lives. Prove me wrong, pinko.
"Pinko"? Hahahaha! I haven't heard that one in decades! Thanks for the flashback, grandpa! If you'll excuse me, I have to go put on my bobby socks to go to the hop in a little bit...
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That's a pretty bad case of TDS you got there.
Projected Covid deaths: 2 million
Deaths: 144k
Trump saved 1.86 million lives.
This 2 million figure is the eventual "do nothing" / infection acquired herd immunity outcome if the virus is ignored and nothing is done to prevent majority of population from being infected with it.
2 million dead assumes 1% IFR with 60% of total US population infected assuming no significant oversubscription of medical system in the process.
It's a statement of the end result of the virus ending by means of infection acquired immunity in which measures to prevent spread throughout the population fail. Th
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TDS? I don't think we need to bring the ability to believe Trump into this.