YouTube Bans Thousands of Chinese Accounts To Combat 'Coordinated Influence Operations' (techcrunch.com) 187
An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: YouTube has banned a large number of Chinese accounts it said were engaging in "coordinated influence operations" on political issues, the company announced today; 2,596 accounts from China alone were taken down from April to June, compared with 277 in the first three months of 2020. "These channels mostly uploaded spammy, non-political content, but a small subset posted political content primarily in Chinese similar to the findings in a recent Graphika report (PDF), including content related to the U.S. response to COVID-19," Google posted in its Threat Analysis Group bulletin for Q2.
The Graphika report, entitled "Return of the (Spamouflage) Dragon: Pro Chinese Spam Network Tries Again," [...] details a large set of accounts on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and other social media that began to be activated early this year that appeared to be part of a global propaganda push: "The network made heavy use of video footage taken from pro-Chinese government channels, together with memes and lengthy texts in both Chinese and English. It interspersed its political content with spam posts, typically of scenery, basketball, models, and TikTok videos. These appeared designed to camouflage the operation's political content, hence the name." It's the "return" of this particular spam dragon because it showed up last fall in a similar form, and whoever is pulling the strings appears undeterred by detection. New, sleeper and stolen accounts were amassed again and deployed for similar purposes, though now -- as Google notes -- with a COVID-19 twist. When June rolled around, content was also being pushed related to the ongoing protests regarding the killings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor and other racial justice matters.
The Graphika report, entitled "Return of the (Spamouflage) Dragon: Pro Chinese Spam Network Tries Again," [...] details a large set of accounts on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and other social media that began to be activated early this year that appeared to be part of a global propaganda push: "The network made heavy use of video footage taken from pro-Chinese government channels, together with memes and lengthy texts in both Chinese and English. It interspersed its political content with spam posts, typically of scenery, basketball, models, and TikTok videos. These appeared designed to camouflage the operation's political content, hence the name." It's the "return" of this particular spam dragon because it showed up last fall in a similar form, and whoever is pulling the strings appears undeterred by detection. New, sleeper and stolen accounts were amassed again and deployed for similar purposes, though now -- as Google notes -- with a COVID-19 twist. When June rolled around, content was also being pushed related to the ongoing protests regarding the killings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor and other racial justice matters.
Remember (Score:5, Insightful)
To out CCP facists, ask him what happened in Beijing, 4th of June 1989. If he refuses to answer, tries to deflect, or otherwise hesitates, he's a CCP shill.
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Don't you think that the government would just give all employees a crib sheet, along side all the copy/paste and memes they provide?
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Don't you think that the government would just give all employees a crib sheet, along side all the copy/paste and memes they provide?
But it would be illegal for the employees to have the crib sheet. At worst it would cause inefficiencies around proving that they have the exemption for the list of facts.
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Look! A ChiCom.
So, tell us about Tiananmen Square
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Many ordinary Chinese people don't know about that event, so this is not a reliable test. Also many Americans are ignorant of their history too, e.g. they don't know what happened on May 31st 1931, or what Juneteenth is.
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You mean the "Tulsa Race Massacre"
Things that should never be forgotten. For those who would like to know more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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People in general are ignorant of their country's history.
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That's usually how I silence the propaganda spammers. It seems their great firewall shuts down when they try to access something that talks about the place.
Gives the term "Heavenly Peace" a totally new meaning...
Re: Remember (Score:2)
It's easy to answer. No one knows all the details. It seems Lear that not much at all happened in the square. The most notable events happened a few miles west where civilians (supposedly not students since they had dispursed already) burned unarmed soldiers alive and hung one (at least) up for all to see.
Lots of reporters jumped to conclusions about what was happening, and some other reporters and politicians went on to write memories and articles that largely (but not totally) contradict or explain many
Re:Remember (Score:5, Informative)
Not that these labels have any of their original meaning left but the current Chinese government is arguably more fascist than communist.
Fascist tick boxes:
- totalitarian one party state
- authoritarian leader
- expansionist aims through use of military force
- forcible suppression of opposition and criticism
- corporatist economy
- trains run on time
Yup CCP can be accurately described as fascist.
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Nazi, Fascist, Socialist, Communist, all the same form of tyranny that enforces its ideology through violence and oppression.
Note that China is a Communist Dictatorship
Re:Remember (Score:4, Informative)
Nazi, Fascist, Socialist, Communist, all the same form of tyranny that enforces its ideology through violence and oppression.
Note that China is a Communist Dictatorship
Certainly the flavour of oppression does not matter much to the Uighur forced into a cultural genocide camp, and I am sure CCP members would object to the "Fascist" label, but hey: if it quacks like a duck maybe we should consider that it is actually a duck and not whatever it claims to be.
A key differentiator is how the PRC has embraced corporatism versus absolute top down economic control. Individual profit and private enterprise is allowed and encouraged. The government, especially the PLA, partners with and outright finances large private industrial concerns to further their militaristic expansionist aims. I mean, just look at Huawei.
Re: Remember (Score:2)
- but hey: if it quacks like a duck maybe we should consider that it is actually a duck and not whatever it claims to be -
I agree, but society has decided to rewrite every bit of logic there is. Its hate speech to suggest gender is a binary construct even though its as binary as XX vs XY at a chromosome level. You can now claim to be anything you want and itâ(TM)s offensive to ask for any sort of proof. You cant even ask for proof of a service animal when some Karen wants to bring her goddamn pet into
Re:Remember (Score:4, Insightful)
Socialist? Nice attempt to smear there.
Socialism is very popular in Europe and responsible for many of the things that contribute to our high standard of living, such as universal healthcare. Socialists are in the mainstream of politics and fight hard against oppression and violence.
You complain bitterly about people conflating conservatives with fascists so the least you could do is not use the same underhand tactic.
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^ this.
Socialism is only a dirty word to idiots.
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Most things conservatives complain about are things that they're doing themselves. Frequently things that they are doing and no one else is in a n attempt to normalize the behavior. They didn't start complaining about bias in the media until they got Rush and Fox News.
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Stockholm syndrome.
Socialism is all about oppression — and occasional violence. Both are necessary in order to suppress the Individualism...
Fascists are Socialists [hitler.org]:
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10 and 11 are classic conservatism. No unearned income, no benefits or entitlements. A person's worth is defined by their labour.
16 was Conservative Party policy in the UK in the 80s.18 is current Conservative policy. 20 and 21 are also classic Tory policies, except that they don't really mean it, 20 is just lying and 21 is a way to funnel public money to their friends.
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False. Those "classic conservatives" demand work in exchange for public assistance — to them your earning dividends or interest is a perfectly acceptable means of making a living to them.
What Hitler — and Lenin — were demanding, is that all income be earned by work. Socialists of all kinds were very much against "usury" (which Nazis blame on the Jews, for an addi
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Socialists are fine with loans, in fact one thing many socialist orgs do it lend money. As for unearned income, what do you think things like minimum wage and benefits are?
The Tories in the 80s developed a middle class. They started this whole "borrow to own" thing, sold off all the social housing cheap, made middle class trappings like owning shares and property available to many by passing the cost to their kids.
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National Socialists weren't — as already cited. Catholicism and Islam — the Socialist religions — hate it too. Can you substantiate your claim — that Socialists of today approve of people living off of interest?
I don't see a relation. Hitler's opinion was, that only income earned by work was legitimate. Marxists also believe, that everything else is "exploitation".
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National Socialists
Nazis are as socialist as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic people's republic.
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That's not true — I cited Hitler's Programme, that's remarkably close to that of other Socialists both from back then and today.
Perhaps, your mistaken understanding of the meaning of the term "Socialism" (which you called [slashdot.org] "a framework for capitalism and democracy") is the root cause of your error.
Not the first time Socialists can be seen trying to walk away [iea.org.uk] from a disastrous "victory" of their cause.
Re: Remember (Score:2)
United Soviet â" Socialist â" Republic
Remember that??? Or before your age?
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Heard of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea? Or the Democratic People's Republic of the Congo? Or the National Socialists?
Re: Remember (Score:2)
Youre missing the point. I gave you one really good example of actual real socialism, aside from Venezuela. What you are calling socialism in europe is not socialism at all. Government run is not the same thing as socialism like Venezuela. Lets go back to the simplest examples... You have two cows..
Nothing in europe has risen to the point where the government seizes the cows and chickens, puts the chicken farmers in charge of the cows, and the cow farmers in charge of the chickens. That sort of thing hap
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Note that China is a Communist Dictatorship
Do you also believe the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic because it says so?
Re: Remember (Score:2)
Identity politics demands that I say yes. Afterall Bruce Jenner kept his penis and somehow is a female. Partial circumcision if you ask me. Either go all the way or fucking forget it.
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Identity politics demands nothing of the sort. All that's happening is you are working yourself up into a frothing lather over a celebrity. Also why do you care so much that you've actually sought out some of the finer details? Apparently. I have no idea if you are correct. Honestly, I don't give enough of a fuck about that crowd to even try and verify what you said.
But seriously why the fuck do you care?
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Its a example, one just nearly everyone knows. I couldnt give a shit about that Kardashian. The idea that we deal with things based on facts like anatomy or observation rather than what people would rather wish they were is now taboo. It violates basic science of observation. By extension, using same said arguments, I can be Barack Obama simply by saying I identify as him, and china can be the ambassadors of benevolence simply because they say its so.
So lets agree to throw these identity politics retards t
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No bro it isn't an example everyone knows. Sure many people are vaguely aware of Jenner's transition. Far, far fewer people are so obsessed with her genitals that they've actively sought out information on what their current state is.
I also find it amusingly absurd when people like you start banging on about facts and biology as if you have even the slightest clue about the horrendous level of complexity that is biology. It is far, far more complex than you realise.
I'm not going to agree with you that some
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Socialists aren't typically tyrants: See Germany and most of the EU.
Nazi and Fascists are both universally tyrants, (well, Nazis are a subset of Fascists).
Communists have been almost always been tyrants at a national level, but at a local level communes seem to work well enough.
Note that China claims to be a Communist Dictatorship, but acts more like a Fascist Dictatorship.
Re:Remember (Score:4, Informative)
I've posted this before, but here it is again.
The first democratically elected president of my country after the wall fell was a philosopher and a dissident. He became a dissident after publishing a book called "The fascism". The communist party removed it after few weeks, banned it for further publication and collected all copies from bookstores and libraries.
How come that the communist party censored a book exposing fascism? Easy. Anyone who managed to read it went thought the detailed check list (just as you did) and realized that our society was just as fascist as the regimes in Italy for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Zhelev was a member of the Bulgarian Communist Party, but was expelled from it for political reasons in 1965. He was unemployed for six years since all employment in Bulgaria was state-regulated.[2]
In 1982, he published his controversial work, "The Fascism" (). Three weeks after the volume's publication in 1982, it was banned and removed from the bookstores and libraries throughout the nation, as it likened the Soviet style socialist state to the fascist states of Italy, Germany and Spain before, during, and after World War II.[3]
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Thanks for this. Good information. I don't know why people get so hung up on the "Communist" label.
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That would be because both Fascism and Communism evolved from Socialism.
Communism generally viewed Socialism as defunct because it was insufficiently authoritarian, granted agency to individuals and it was obvious that solution to this was to go to far left and worship the collective Communist International as the only relevant ethical actor.
Fascism generally viewed Socialism as defunct because it was insufficiently authoritarian, granted agency to individuals and it was obvious that solution to this was to
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That would be because both Fascism and Communism evolved from Socialism.
That would be a lie.
Fascism did adopt some socialist policies in the early days, mainly as a form of populism to get into power. But philosophically it has nothing to do with socialism. In fact it's the opposite of socialism in many cases, for example because socialism gives individuals much more power where as fascism concentrates it.
The fundamental point of fascism is that the majority of people are too weak willed to do what is necessary (e.g. genocide) and must be lead with patriotism and hatred and str
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That would be a lie. Philosophically Fascism is just as Collectivist as (other kinds of) Socialism. The cantankerous and silly Individual must be suppressed for the benefit of the glorious Collective.
Once you accept that, you accept sacrificing a minority for the benefit of the whole and all the other warts, by which we've learned to recognize Socialism of various kinds.
Empty — and unsubstantiated —
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That is a load of bull. Fascism evolved from conservatism. It values conservative values, just more extremely.
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Fascism's entire goal is to remake entirety of society into a ideal vision of the Ethical State. They are just as revolutionary as Communists, and differ simply in what the goal of such a revolution would be. Hence the need for overthrow of systems in Italy and Germany in Interwar period where Fascism took hold. As such, it is a complete anathema to any conservative ideology. There was minimal to no overlap between Conservatism and Fascism in terms of ideological tenets, evolution or membership.
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Did I hit the nerve? One of the biggest pet peeves of both Communists and Fascists is when people point out just how similar their ideologies are in all aspects but what it is they elevate as the "Greater Good" that must be strived toward.
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You just aren't worth the effort to debate, and you present no real reason for me to waste my time.
What can be asserted without evidence can be denied without evidence. QED.
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>I found the phrase "evolved from" to be a bit misleading.
Which specific part of it are you finding "misleading" in any way? Communism evolved directly from Socialism, by criticising failures of countless Socialist movements of late 19th and early 20th century and Communists commonly compare themselves against Socialism as markers of "this is what we must evolve out of to reach Communist utopia".
Notably, just like Fascists. They simply state that evolution must go into a different direction. As the famou
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You seriously don't take their word for it, surely? Like when Kim Jong Un says he was democratically elected, you question that, right?
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He is democratically elected. That is a fact.
The problem the so called "free world", or more accurately a group of nations that can be loosely described as "liberal democracies" have with his election is not that it's democratic or not. The problem we have is that election process is not liberal. Something you'd know if you took even a cursory read of how democratic elections function and why.
So there are things like "how limited is suffrage", "is vote open or closed", "are voters allowed to know who they a
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All of the factors you mention are staple of a Communist system. The fact that you think that those are "fascist" suggests that you have either never been taught about how Communist nations function, or you are intentionally lying.
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All of the factors you mention are staple of a Communist system. The fact that you think that those are "fascist" suggests that you have either never been taught about how Communist nations function, or you are intentionally lying.
uh, ok. Help me out here: what is it that I don't know about Communist nations? There is a lot I am sure.
Also, I am haven't been trolling you so please don't turn to personal attacks. I may be misinformed, mistaken, or otherwise hold an untenable position and I encourage you to point that out. I am not lying or baiting you.
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You do not know the fact that points you used as evidence that "China is Fascist" are evidence of the fact that China is Communist.
Ergo, you have no idea what Communism is, as you just made an excellent argument for "why China is Communist", and coached it as evidence that it's anti-Communist. Or you know exactly what Communism is and are trying to intentionally obfuscate the issue.
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Have you got a personal stake in what is Communist and what isn't? Help me understand. What you say makes me think that you or your family suffer or have suffered under a Communist regime.
Or you know exactly what Communism is and are trying to intentionally obfuscate the issue.
I assure you that I don't have some agenda and that although I may be ignorant or outright wrong more often then I care to admit, I am not intentionally obfuscating, muddying, trolling, or baiting you. I (mostly) never do that. So, again, please stop with the personal attacks. I find your posts and explanations i
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>Have you got a personal stake in what is Communist and what isn't?
Yes. Not allowing hundreds of millions be killed, and another bunch be enslaved. I'm not a great fan of crimes against humanity on that scale.
I understand that for a person who places no value on human life, because human lives are individual lives at its core, this is a very esoteric concept to comprehend. It's something that Communists and Fascists struggle with.
For us normal people however, there is no need for an explanation as to why
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Burn! Ouch! Now that hurts. When will I learn?
Nevertheless: please have a great day and stay safe in these troubled times.
Cheers
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According to Solzenitsyn, quite a few of the true believers got converted after some time at the gulags.
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Well, China calls itself communist. What a country calls itself doesn't really matter much, the "German Democratic Republic" was maybe German, but the rest was a big fat lie.
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GDR was democratic. It shows just how awful modern education is that people don't even comprehend that it's not democracy part that is wrong with GDR model. It's liberalism. DPRK is also democratic. And like DPRK, it's illiberal because it has open vote system. So suffering to those who dare vote wrong.
And that is what's wrong with places like GDR. Just like Communism is indeed what's wrong with PRC.
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There was essentially one party in the GDR, with some Blockparteien [wikipedia.org] to pretend there's some sort of actual choice. In the end the system was rigged to ensure that the Unity Party [wikipedia.org] not only has the majority of seats in the Volkskammer but also that every Blockpartei had to accept and support the "leading role of the SED".
So which is it? Ignorance or are you actively trying to spread bullshit?
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Personal choice is a liberal tenet. You appear to be genuinely utterly ignorant of what "democracy" means and what kind of "democracies" exist.
To quote myself: "it's not democracy part that is wrong with GDR model. It's liberalism."
GDR was an illiberal democracy. The thing you're having a problem with is lack of liberalism. Not lack of democracy. GDR was self-evidently democratic. Just as it was self-evidently illiberal.
Which communism? [Re:Remember] (Score:5, Interesting)
All of the factors you mention are staple of a Communist system. The fact that you think that those are "fascist" suggests that you have either never been taught about how Communist nations function, or you are intentionally lying.
uh, ok. Help me out here: what is it that I don't know about Communist nations? There is a lot I am sure.
The difficulty here is that the nation-states that called themselves "communist" since 1917 are not communist by any reasonable reading of what Karl Marx called communism.
So, when you say "these factors are staple of a Communist system" you have to specify whether by "Communist system" you mean what Karl Marx called the communist system, or you mean Marxist Leninism, or you mean the USSR and related states.
(and then there's "socialism" as it's understood by anybody younger than 40 in America, which has nothing to do with any of these).
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Teacher: Communism is at the horizon for our country
Student: What is a horizon?
Teacher: It's a line at the end of the world that moves away when you try to move towards it.
It's a scam (Score:2, Informative)
Of course not, because what Marx and Lenin suggested doesn't work. All of them are scams and none of them lead to the utopia they promise, so we play word games about what "real" communism or socialism are instead of just pointing out that these countries seriously studied Marx and Lenin and failed miserably because those ideologies lead to authoritarian regimes when all non-state power structures are dismantled and their leaders wield all political power, which then gets used for the leaders' benefit.
The
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Of course not,
I will take that as a statement "I agree with what you said."
because what Marx and Lenin suggested doesn't work.
I suspect that's true, but I haven't seen the proof. More importantly, a similar system might plausibly be able to be set up de novo, but starting from where we are I think that there's no way to get there.
All of them are scams and none of them lead to the utopia they promise, so we play word games about what "real" communism or socialism are
I disagree that attempting to understand what words mean and use words accurately is "playing word games".
Most particularly, the word "socialism" has been used for so many different completely different things in the last 50 years that, at the
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> I will take that as a statement "I agree with what you said."
No, it means "real communism doesn't exist." Same for Socialism.
> I suspect that's true, but I haven't seen the proof.
Look at the link I posted to Cambodia. Or, heck, every big Communist or Socialist state has had whole universities dedicated to studying their works. Usually named after them, as well.
> I disagree that attempting to understand what words mean and use words accurately is "playing word games".
You're going on about mino
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All of the factors you mention are staple of a Communist system. The fact that you think that those are "fascist" suggests that you have either never been taught about how Communist nations function, or you are intentionally lying.
Except corporatism. A key component of any communist regime is complete control over the means of production...
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I'm going to guess that you are utterly unaware of the fact that China does in fact have that. Deng's and Xi's additions to Maoism have in fact changed how that looks a bit from the original Soviet Stalinist model they started with under Mao. Today, every corporation of meaningful size is required to have an internal CCP division. This division is staffed with CCP members who's sole purpose is to ensure that company's actions are in line with Communist goals. Official term translates to something close to "
Re:Remember (Score:5, Interesting)
China definitely isn't communist. The workers don't own the means of production. The government isn't representative of the workers in any meaningful way. The economy is command capitalist, with a heavy emphasis on the capitalist, similar to how fascism worked in other countries.
China is Fascist (Score:2)
Here I fully agree with you — China does allow people now to, sort of, own means of production. But the State still has full control (even if rarely exercised), which makes them Fascist [princeton.edu].
They prospered so well by accepting Capitalist economy — which is a testament to how wonderful Capitalism is. That they didn't also accept Western (particularly — American)
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Far left posters running defence for PRC's system is utterly ridiculous.
Wow. I see where you are coming from. You really think that posters here are running defense for the PRC by calling the government fascist? That is a serious misinterpretation. Calling them "Fascist" is an indictment of their system and not a defense.
Anyways, I read your other posts and found them very interesting. Food for thought.
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>You really think that posters here are running defense for the PRC by calling the government fascist?
When they are hand waving the bloodiest ideology on the planet to downgrade it to the second bloodiest, yes, that would be defence.
Or do you see about a hundred million plus extra killed, with another set on top enslaved over Fascism as irrelevant, and Fascism worse than Communism? Because your talk about "indictment" suggests so.
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Communism is to Fascism what the pest is to covid: It's not more deadly, it just had more time to kill.
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I see you never heard of Khmer Rouge, the people who showed that Hitler was vastly inefficient at exterminating "wrong kind of people that needed to die".
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The Khmer Rouge were way less selective. It's trivially easy to be lethal if you don't discriminate who you kill.
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Far left posters running defence for PRC's system is utterly ridiculous.
The only way it's a defense is if you are assuming "communism baaaad capitalism goood".
Economy is command communist
How, precisely is it communist? Which communist tenets does it stick to? Do the people own the means of production? Do people get what they need?
built directly on Marxist principles
WHICH Marxist principles? Quote the principle and show how it's implemented in China.
Every large enterprise is Communist Party controlled by la
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>The only way it's a defense is if you are assuming "communism baaaad capitalism goood".
Kindly point me toward any statement I made on capitalism in this thread. To my knowledge, I made none. You are projecting your biases.
>Which communist tenets does it stick to? Do the people own the means of production? Do people get what they need?
As I outlined above, Maoist, with Deng's minor liberalisation and Xi's enforcement. Did you fail to read, or are you unaware of Communist teachings and think that whatev
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Please learn what fascism actually is before giving uninformed opinions
[this is turns out to be difficult, since most educational institutions don't actually teach what fascism-- a very weird and not entirely self-consistent political/economic philosophy-- is, all they teach is that it is bad].
Fascist tick boxes:
- totalitarian one party state
- authoritarian leader
- expansionist aims through use of military force
- forcible suppression of opposition and criticism
All of these are hallmarks of dictatorship in any direction, not specifically of fascism. They would apply just as well, for example, to Louis XIV's France.
- corporatist economy
Yes! You got one right. One.
(China is a bit mixed on tha
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Please learn what fascism actually is before giving uninformed opinions
[this is turns out to be difficult, since most educational institutions don't actually teach what fascism-- a very weird and not entirely self-consistent political/economic philosophy-- is, all they teach is that it is bad].
Fascist tick boxes:
- totalitarian one party state
- authoritarian leader
- expansionist aims through use of military force
- forcible suppression of opposition and criticism
All of these are hallmarks of dictatorship in any direction, not specifically of fascism. They would apply just as well, for example, to Louis XIV's France.
Of course. Still they are attributes of fascism. Never said they were exclusive attributes of fascism.
- trains run on time
Nope. Turns out Mussolini was fond of saying he'd make the trains run on time... but he absolutely did not.
Well, that last bit was an attempt at humour. I shouldn't try that. I knew someone would call it out; good for you. Seriously, since it is a myth that gained traction as a truth and is used as an apology for failed systems that are partially justified for having done some good thing.
It was a political lie and a cynical public joke at the time. Akin to the Soviet claims of economic prosperity.
Cheer
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What happened in Beijing, 4th of June 1989?
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What happened in Beijing, 4th of June 1989?
Taking this seriously, from Wikipedia:
"The 1989 Tiananmen Square protests were protests in April and June of that year. China calls this the June Fourth Incident, but to most of the world it is the Tiananmen Square massacre. "
https://simple.wikipedia.org/w... [wikipedia.org]
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He's not asking the grandparent (me), he's asking the parent claiming China is anti-facist, which I said is a method of putting them in a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't situation.
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No, I think he was asking what the June 4th event was. Or it was an attempt at humour.
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Possibly a troll playing stupid, but there it is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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A fairly minor Communist purge of the dissidents?
The only reason it's considered major is because a lot of Western journalists happened to be at the location at the time and got some great footage. Purges of ideologically incorrect people of that magnitude are routine in Communist systems.
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Have you read any of the intelligence reports from the Brits or other countries? They turned people into hamburger with tanks and washed it down the sewers.
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Yes. Like I said, a minor purge. If you want to see a typical Communist purge, there's one going on in Xinjiang right now.
And frankly, I'd rather get driven over by a tank than get intimately introduced to a typical Communist torturer as a wrongthinker. Former is at least a reasonably quick end unlikely to take more than a couple of minutes of extreme pain, and you get to die while you are allowed to be yourself. In latter case, your torture will be exquisite, last years, and what comes out at the other end
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China's not communist anymore. Communism isn't fascism or anti-fascism.
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China's not communist anymore. Communism isn't fascism or anti-fascism.
True, but fascism is traditionally anti-communist. It was evolved and was defined in opposition.
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This is an excellent all encompassing argumentation. Let's see if it works for other things.
"spun is no longer a slashdot user. Being a slashdot user has nothing to do with using slashdot".
Holy shit, this works for everything, no matter how patently absurd.
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It's not an argument, it's a statement of fact.
What, in your opinion, makes China communist? Do you even know what communism is? Hint: it;'s not just "anything I don't like," it has an actual agreed upon definition.
Here's an actual argument, not that you deserve one: they have private property, a state (true communism is stateless), lending for profit, and most importantly, private control of the means of production. What they are is just another type of crony capitalism, similar to what we, in fact, practi
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The fact that it's a Communist state, operating on Communist principles, with Communist goals.
>they have private property
They do not. All "private property" in China is actually a long term lease of communal property from the state, subject to revocation at any moment with no recourse. Individual rights, such as right to property do not actually exist in China, as it's a Communist system. What instead exists is temporary privileges, in accordance with Deng's tenets.
>true communism is stateless
"True Co
Meanwhile... (Score:3)
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And election campaigns. Don't forget election campaigns [aei.org]... In addition to what managers do personally [qz.com].
And the Russians? (Score:2)
America has a good set of "Rival" countries, even if we are not Enemies with them, we are rivals, and they have invested interest in making American lives difficult.
China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela are on top my head.
It would seem prudent for the likes of YouTube, Facebook, Google.... To really put extra monitoring of content from rival countries talking about American Domestic Policy.
The Russians were shown to play both sides to create chaos.
They see people who want equal rights so they g
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I think you need to put the blame where it belongs, on our own politicians. The Russians didn't start interfering with our internal politics until the CIA managed to get Ukrainians to overthrow the elected pro-Russian government. The Chinese didn't until Obama's "Asia pivot". And the others you mentioned are all tiny countries that we repeatedly stomped on because they're too weak to resist us.
Note that I'm not saying we shouldn't have done any of those things, or that those regimes are any good, it's just
..and now, the China shills will say: (Score:2)
To be clear: I don't mean just the Slashdot China shills, I mean all of them, everywhere.
Re: ..and now, the China shills will say: (Score:2)
Disagree with the racist claim, but they are restricting free speech...or do you disagree?
Coordinated Influence Operations (Score:2)
The network made heavy use of video footage taken from pro-Chinese government channels, together with memes and lengthy texts in both Chinese and English.
So, they aren't really trying to conceal their identity. Sounds more like free speech to me.
Now when are we going after the Antifa accounts? The least they could do is to post in Russian.
What scares me most is ... (Score:2)
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China is only communist if you have no idea what communism is. You're welcome to criticize it, but first, you should read up on what the people behind it actually says [wikipedia.org]:
The society which organizes production anew on the basis of free and equal association of the producers will put the whole state machinery where it will then belong—into the museum of antiquities, next to the spinning wheel and the bronze ax.
-Friedrich Engels
Also, your "purging" of people whom you disagree with sounds awfully like what a "communist" might say.
Who? (Score:2)
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that's just one person, on lunch break.
So funny but truthful.
Back in 2011 on a Libyan civil war discussion board, there was a gaggle of pro Gaddafi political trolls that came on line like clockwork. They also would disappear all at the same time after about two hours; seemed like the paid time period was used up. I was told by a moderator that at first they all geo-located to Bulgaria but as the conflict went on the IP addresses started to randomize. Same logins trying to appear like they weren't coming from a call centre.
The hired trolls w