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In Alarming Move, CDC Says People Exposed To COVID-19 Do Not Need Testing (arstechnica.com) 352

In a mindboggling and dangerous move, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention this week quietly reversed its recommendation on COVID-19 testing for those exposed to the virus. Now, the CDC says that exposed but symptomless people do not need to be tested. From a report: The change immediately alarmed and outraged public health and infectious disease experts. It is well established that SARS-CoV-2 -- the pandemic coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19 -- can cause completely asymptomatic infections in some and spread from other infected people before they develop symptoms (so-called "pre-symptomatic transmission"). In fact, some modeling studies have suggested that pre-symptomatic transmission may account for nearly half, or even more, of SARS-CoV-2 spread.

That information previously spurred the CDC to recommend testing for anyone that was known to have -- or even suspected to have -- close contact with an infected person (that is, be within six feet for 15 or more minutes). "Testing is recommended for all close contacts of persons with SARS-CoV-2 infection," the agency said on its website as recently as August 22. "Because of the potential for asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic transmission, it is important that contacts of individuals with SARS-CoV-2 infection be quickly identified and tested."

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In Alarming Move, CDC Says People Exposed To COVID-19 Do Not Need Testing

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  • Credibility gone. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:46PM (#60443307) Journal

    Under this administration where every single person in senior management is scared of a midnight twitter shitpost that causes their lives to become hell, before being fired, does it really surprise anyone that integrity and credibility would be the sacrifice?

    • by shanen ( 462549 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:58PM (#60443735) Homepage Journal

      Glad to see the moderation has reverted to positive and the visibility of your FP has risen again.

      However this is mostly a meta-comment on the overall discussion, which I reviewed after my initial comment. The thing that most struck me was the difficulty of finding any support of Trump. It was mostly a chorus of consensus with a few barely audible (visible) sour notes.

      Where have all the usual trolls gone? Could they be busy with Belarus matters?

      Seriously, I think it would be interesting to correlate the flows of trollage on Slashdot against Putin's most urgent concerns. If there is a troll army out there, their marching orders might be best revealed by their absences.

  • Oh, big shocker! (Score:5, Informative)

    by kfh227 ( 1219898 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:49PM (#60443323)

    Update 8/26/2020 1:15pm: An unnamed official with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has told CNN that the change to the agency's testing recommendations occurred under pressure from the upper ranks of the Trump Administration. "It's coming from the top down," the official said.

    • by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:51PM (#60443331) Journal

      In other words, because the Administration has fucked it up beyond all repair, now not only is information suppression required, but the suppression of even gathering information.

      • by nightflameauto ( 6607976 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:34PM (#60443587)

        Not exactly a shock. I mean, maybe it's a tiny bit surprising the CDC would cave, but Trump has stated multiple times that our numbers would look a lot better if we'd just stop testing. I mean, anybody with half a brain cell understands the utter stupidity of that line of reasoning, but we're no longer dealing with a government filled with people that have half a brain cell. In fact, I'm pretty sure the entire spinal column and brain stem are completely absent.

    • by Powercntrl ( 458442 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:19PM (#60443483) Homepage

      No surprise here. He's been saying this for about a month now. [thehill.com]

      It's like thinking your monthly bills will go down if you visit your mailbox less frequently... and this is who we have leading the country... and 42.1% of Americans actually think he's doing a decent job.

      Ugh. I just can't with this timeline.

    • by Anubis IV ( 1279820 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:22PM (#60443507)

      Why is this getting downmodded? From the perspective of trying to protect the health of the public, there is no—zero, none, nada—logical basis for this change. It is ONLY something that makes sense if there is outside influence at play. In fact, if you look at the URL for the article linked in the summary, you can see their original headline Ars used when publishing the article: CDC Loses Its Mind, Says People Exposed to COVID-19 Do Not Need Testing.

      There are only two possibilities here: either the Center for Disease Control and Prevention really has lost its mind and has has abdicated its responsibility to prevent diseases—which is literally the mission spelled out in their name—or someone is pulling their strings from above. The former is highly unlikely, but if the latter is the reason for what we're seeing, we shouldn't be surprised to see a quote from an unnamed source with information like this one. It jibes entirely with what we're seeing.

      • I can think of one possibly logical reason for this kind of change - if testing capacity is limited, they might want to prioritize testing symptomatic patients over potentially infected people who are asymptomatic. Of course, 1) I would expect to see that explanation along with the announcement of the change, and 2) who deserves the blame for not pushing to ramp up testing capacity six months ago.
        • by dargaud ( 518470 )
          But then you state it clearly, like "1st test symptomatic patients, then if you have enough tests do the exposed people, and if you still have some left then do everybody else" or some such. No those responsible need to be outed and sued into the ground. Or (IMHO) hung to a tree.
    • Re:Oh, big shocker! (Score:4, Interesting)

      by fermion ( 181285 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:23PM (#60443511) Homepage Journal
      this likely has to do with the opening of school spa the massive spread of COVID-19 as a result. Most young people are not going to show symptoms. By reducing testing, infected people can stay in school.
    • Update 8/26/2020 1:15pm: An unnamed official with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has told CNN that the change to the agency's testing recommendations occurred under pressure from the upper ranks of the Trump Administration. "It's coming from the top down," the official said.

      Which would be another own goal* from a Trump perspective because 8 weeks is more than enough time for another wave to show up not only in tests of symptomatic people, but in additional deaths as well.

      * An "own goal" being a Trump action that eventually hurts his poll numbers by causing the deaths of thousands or tens of thousands of his constituents.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by dunkelfalke ( 91624 )

        you really think the republican party death cult cares? the daily death rate is comparable to five 737max crashes every day, but according to their leader it is what it is.

  • by ItsJustAPseudonym ( 1259172 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:49PM (#60443325)
    From the linked article: "Update 8/26/2020 1:15pm: An unnamed official with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has told CNN that the change to the agency's testing recommendations occurred under pressure from the upper ranks of the Trump Administration."

    This should come as no surprise to anyone, at this point. Your health is secondary to Trump's reelection campaign.
  • by jbengt ( 874751 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:53PM (#60443339)
    Yet another example of politicizing what had in the past been a mostly non-political government organization.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Republicans are literally the stick in the bike spokes meme. They fuck up the systems of government and then point to failures and say "look, the government doesn't work!". Now we just wait for calls to privatize the CDC

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      Somebody please point out a President who deserves "worst President in History" more than Professor Tinted J. Sharpie.

      He's a short-term thinker, liar, lout, xenophobe, greedy, agitation-loving troll, and offends our top allies* while praising ruthless dictators.

      We've had very greedy Presidents before, but they were at least mostly pleasant to the public and allies.

      He makes Batman villains look harmless in comparison.

      * If almost all of them don't want to spend 2%+ on their military, it's probably *us* with u

  • Trump has been saying for awhile if we only tested less than other countries we'd be i better shape.
    • Trump has been saying for awhile if we only tested less than other countries we'd be i better shape.

      Yup, 'cause testing causes infections -- duh. :-)

  • The article and the summary start with absolutely biased language.
    "In a mindboggling and dangerous move,"

    Not even surprising, or unexpected "mindbogglingly dangers " because after all it is a forgone conclusion what they are saying makes no sense.
    The thing is EVEN IF THE ARTICLE IS COMPLETELY CORRECT using language like this what causes people to mistrust most media sources because they make it obvious they are more interested in presenting an emotional diatribe then reporting on actual facts or truth.

    Sad

    • The article and the summary start with absolutely biased language. "In a mindboggling and dangerous move,"

      Not even surprising, or unexpected "mindbogglingly dangers " because after all it is a forgone conclusion what they are saying makes no sense. The thing is EVEN IF THE ARTICLE IS COMPLETELY CORRECT using language like this what causes people to mistrust most media sources because they make it obvious they are more interested in presenting an emotional diatribe then reporting on actual facts or truth.

      Sad thing is this is so common place in all our news now, I like most people probably do , didn't hardly notice it until I was thinking about it.

      The author of the article is a microbiologist who has been covering biomedical research for years. Here is her signature line, from the article:

      Beth Mole

      Beth is Ars Technica’s health reporter. She’s interested in biomedical research, infectious disease, health policy and law, and has a Ph.D. in microbiology.

    • Are you saying that cutting back on testing in the middle of a pandemic isn't actually "mindbogglingly dangerous"? Or are you just saying that reporting facts accurately is evidence of a liberal bias?
      • At this point, for Trump supporters, the truth is damaging to his re-election bid, so therefore any such reporting is automatically "biased". The mind numbing stupidity and evil of Trump is only matched by the mind numbing stupidity and evil of his supporters

      • I'm saying the word choice shows bias. It wouldn't make any difference what topic, or who used them ... the first sentence is intended to emotionally bias the information in the sentence rather then letting the reader judge the truth of the words. These type of techniques are used by both left and right commentators. ( I won't even call the journalist, as I'm not sure their are any of them still employed.)

        • by DogDude ( 805747 )
          It's not "bias". It's a scientific fact that this is a "mindbogglingly dangerous" decision. No real scientist on planet Earth would ever suggest to stop testing in the middle of a fucking pandemic. You're trying to frame facts as "bias", because the facts hurt your Dear Orange Leader.
    • The article and the summary start with absolutely biased language. "In a mindboggling and dangerous move,"

      Not even surprising, or unexpected "mindbogglingly dangers " because after all it is a forgone conclusion what they are saying makes no sense. The thing is EVEN IF THE ARTICLE IS COMPLETELY CORRECT using language like this what causes people to mistrust most media sources because they make it obvious they are more interested in presenting an emotional diatribe then reporting on actual facts or truth.

      Sad thing is this is so common place in all our news now, I like most people probably do , didn't hardly notice it until I was thinking about it.

      Honestly I just feel bad for the rank and file at the CDC. I was talking with a friend there yesterday after noticing that the infection numbers are declining much faster than I would expect given the basic lack of any change in US policy. If my understanding of what my friend said yesterday is correct then the Trump administration is making it much harder for people to get tested and numbers of tests has decreased dramatically but the positivity rate has not gone down. The US has cut the number of daily

  • Trumpistan (Score:5, Insightful)

    by RichMan ( 8097 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:59PM (#60443367)

    People will die because Trump wants to look good. Trump has equated more testing with more cases and more cases make Trump look bad. So testing has to go down.

    More testing should lead to getting more people isolated which long term leads to less cases.

    Welcome to Trumpistan where the idiot in chief makes irrational decisions that lead to death and suffering.

    • Re:Trumpistan (Score:5, Insightful)

      by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:17PM (#60443471) Journal

      People "will" die?

      People already have. Lots of them. His response? "It is what it is."

    • People will die because Trump wants to look good. Trump has equated more testing with more cases and more cases make Trump look bad. So testing has to go down.

      More testing should lead to getting more people isolated which long term leads to less cases.

      Welcome to Trumpistan where the idiot in chief makes irrational decisions that lead to death and suffering.

      More testing does equal more cases. That much is obvious to anyone that knows how to divide two numbers and is not absolutely blinded by their desire to use everything for political points.

      This is Slashdot, I thought a basic understanding of math and percentages would be a given here...

  • by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite ( 721679 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:10PM (#60443433)

    From https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru... [cdc.gov]

    If you have been in close contact (within 6 feet) of a person with a COVID-19 infection for at least 15 minutes but do not have symptoms:
    You do not necessarily need a test unless you are a vulnerable individual or your health care provider or State or local public health officials recommend you take one.
    A negative test does not mean you will not develop an infection from the close contact or contract an infection at a later time.
    You should monitor yourself for symptoms. If you develop symptoms, you should evaluate yourself under the considerations set forth above.
    You should strictly adhere to CDC mitigation protocols, especially if you are interacting with a vulnerable individual. You should adhere to CDC guidelines to protect vulnerable individuals with whom you live.

    • A negative test does not mean you will not develop an infection from the close contact or contract an infection at a later time.
      You should monitor yourself for symptoms. If you develop symptoms, you should evaluate yourself under the considerations set forth above

      At which point you've infected an untold number of other people because your idiot governments haven't made you wear a mask.

      • A negative test does not mean you will not develop an infection from the close contact or contract an infection at a later time.
        You should monitor yourself for symptoms. If you develop symptoms, you should evaluate yourself under the considerations set forth above

        At which point you've infected an untold number of other people because your idiot governments haven't made you wear a mask.

        The last line that I quoted refers to adhering to the CDC mitigation protocols, they can be found at the same link and are:

        CDC Mitigation Protocols
        CDC recommends the following measures to mitigate the spread of the virus and to protect vulnerable populations: social distancing, wearing a mask when social distancing is not possible, avoiding crowds, avoiding indoor crowded spaces, and washing or sanitizing hands frequently.

  • 170,000 dead (Score:5, Insightful)

    by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:13PM (#60443451)

    170,000 dead and republicans/conservatives don't care.

    When a few terrorists sneak in they are willing to destroy whole nations and deport all muslim looking people after torturing them for information (Trump said it and they voted for him).

    When a few people are murdered by illegal immigrants, conservatives want to eliminate all brown people en masse in revenge without regard to their ages, sexes and conditions. Yes, they do -- they haven't said it but you and I know that's what they want.

    How many people have been murdered in the US by illegal immigrants or terrorists over the past 20 years? Probably a lot less than 170,000 .. so why are illegal immigrants and terrorists a concern to conservatives? This whole thing reveals that conservatives don't care about human life, they only care about feeling superior and wanting to oppress others. Come on, we are spending billions to build a wall and hardly anything to find a vaccine or treatment, think about that.

    • your number is already two weeks old.

    • of coarse they care but there are other thing to balance 38,000 die from care crashes 647,000 die from heart disease. So as a concern it is somewhere in the middle I suppose.

      • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

        of coarse they care but there are other thing to balance 38,000 die from care crashes

        It's generally accepted that more people will die from car crashes if people don't wear seatbelts, which is why they are legally required. And yet conservatives/Republicans will fight tooth and nail not to wear masks, the covid version of seatbelts.

  • by AmazingRuss ( 555076 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:34PM (#60443581)
    ... the chocolate ration has been increased to 20 grams!
    • Well done - you should have the full quote:

      It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.

  • When the chief dotard thinks that increased testing causes increased cases, this isn't surprising. This is purely to knock the number of reported/recorded cases down so he can point to a downward trend line (they've already stacked the deck with changing the reporting mechanism for cases), and gambling that it'll be after November when the shitstorm really hits.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:53PM (#60443699)
    see here [cnn.com].

    Also Trump just put a former OAN reporter with no medical experience in a senior position at the FDA [salon.com]

    Look, we've got active interference with scientists on the pandemic. We have open election interference via the post office and threats to send armed goons to poll watch. We had armed goons in camo pulling people into unmarked vans. We've got Bill Barr caught admitting it was being used to normalize a Federal Police [fark.com]. And there's the constant attacks on the validity of the election results and calls for a third term w/o amending the constitution.

    At a certain point it's time to call a spade a spade. Trump is trying to set himself up as President For Life. Likely because he's afraid of Northeastern prosecutors going after him once he's out of office.

    If Trump wins this year then America is no longer a Democracy. It's your call whether that happens or not. /. is full of moderates and right wingers. You've been yelling at us about freedom for decades. Is your love of Trump worth more than Democracy?

    Your call.
  • by GregMmm ( 5115215 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:20PM (#60443863)

    Gak, did anyone read the article?

    1) CDC clearly says they didn't get pressure. Can you trust this, who knows, they would never say.
    2) An "unnamed source" says it came from pressure from above. Can you trust this, who knows, but whenever any story says "unnamed source" I "untrust" it.
    3a) Logic behind the no testing is the person might show a negative test because it might be too soon to have an infection show in the test. So they will be "ok" and then 2 days later they could get sick. Ok I can follow that.
    3b) If that was the case is there an isolate order with that? (I think so) but where is the in 1-2 days get tested. That seems logical and maybe there is one.

    Better solution: ignore the "spin stories" This is just political fodder from both sides.

    • This. What the fuck is going on in this thread? The freaking article says "if you get sick get tested" instead of "get tested every time you bump into a COVID person".

      Meanwhile, top-level comments with "+5 Insightful" start with "People will die because Trump wants to look good."

      What the actual fuck happened to Slashdot? It's always been somewhat political, but it at least used to be politically on topic.

  • by thereddaikon ( 5795246 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:23PM (#60443873)

    Unlike most of /.'s and Ars' readership I am a frontline healthcare worker who has to live this every day. Most of you have been cooped up at home the last several months and quite literally don't get out much because of it. So I know these kinds of alarmist headlines really get your pulse going.

    But those guidelines are what we've been living this whole time. We are exposed to COVID positive patients every day. It is simply impossible to constantly test every single one of us every day. We do mandatory employee testing every two weeks and anyone who was determined to have had a high risk exposure is quarantined and tested. How is that determined? Well I'm not exactly sure on the details, we have an MD in charge of that. I'm not one but I trust his judgement.

    Point is the CDC is absolutely right here. Its a practical impossibility to test everyone who has had an exposure. We just don't have the tests. And assuming you are being a good member of the community and wearing a proper mask all the time, and I don't mean one of those stylish cloth ones or one of those super thin neck socks that do nothing, but a real mask then you should be fine. We have to save the tests for the ones that the doctors determine were at high risk.

    I don't know how many times I've been exposed to COVID at this point, too many to count. But I wear proper PPE, face shield, gloves and mask and I as well as my coworkers are very fastidious with cleaning the premises. We have to be. That's how these things go.

  • by Beeftopia ( 1846720 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:40PM (#60443937)

    * CDC changes coronavirus testing guidance; asymptomatic people no longer require test [foxnews.com]. Fox News is not a left wing new source. So this accurately describes what the CDC has done.

    * This is dangerous because asymptomatic people can spread covid-19. [cnet.com] Also the article talks about asymptomatic versus presymptomatic.

    * This article talks about the problems with testing [huffpost.com]. The summary is that an ER doc was exposed, was tested like 5 times, came up negative each time, her son who was only exposed to her got it. And some months later she got an antibody test which came up positive meaning she did have it. She had mild symptoms.

    * Any asymptomatic person who has attempted to get the test recently can tell you that it is taking a long time to get results back and you have a wait a few days before that to get a test even.

    * In a perfect world, we would have:
    1) Testing capacity to provide rapid tests to anyone who wants one.
    2) The tests will be very accurate.

    * What we have:
    1) Limited testing capacity - on demand rapid tests to healthcare professionals and those showing symptoms
    2) The tests are merely accurate [pennmedicine.org]. Hard to get a concrete error rate. [google.com]

    Could this be an attempt to take the load off the testing system, like the recommendation that masks were not necessary early on in this event, to retain them for healthcare workers and first responders? Or is a political effort independent of that?

    I dunno.

  • by biggaijin ( 126513 ) on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @06:32PM (#60444503)

    First we were told that masks were not necessary, then that everyone should wear a mask all the time, maybe forever. We were told we needed to "flatten the curve" by reducing contact with others for several weeks, then we were told to stay locked in a bubble until the virus is eradicated (through some unstated and certainly unknown means). We are exhorted by politicians to "follow the science" even though the highly politicized directions the public receives are from bureaucrats who are not sure what they want us to do. The CDC is a mess. I have no problem with them changing their minds about what we should do; new data can cause a change in direction. But they should explain why they gave us the original instructionsand why they changed their minds. They have not done this so far and, as a result, have no credibility left with the public. They need to clear out all the career bureaucrats and public health weenies in the CDC and start over again.

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