US Surpasses 8 Million Coronavirus Cases (cnet.com) 431
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNET: America surpassed 8 million cases of the novel coronavirus on Friday, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The grim milestone that puts the U.S. ahead of every other country in terms of total cases. Over 218,000 coronavirus deaths have been reported in the U.S. as well, again setting a record that represents about 20% of total deaths worldwide. COVID-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus, has rapidly spread across the globe, infecting nearly 40 million and killing over 1.1 million. Beside the U.S., India has the highest number of cases, at almost 7.4 million, while some countries like New Zealand have all but eliminated COVID-19 with the number of active infections now at zero.
it's just gonna go away, you'll see (Score:5, Insightful)
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Huh, I guess it's just an impossible situation then, since no authority has the power to tell Walmart what to do.
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Re:it's just gonna go away, you'll see (Score:5, Insightful)
So what are you suggesting? Close all stores including those selling food?
No moron. How about we fucking enforce the mask mandate.
If a civilian Wal-mart greeter can't manage to do their fucking job, fine. Replace them with Joe Sherriff.
If Joe Sherriff can't manage to do his fucking job, fine. Replace him with the National Guard.
You want to enter the store? Put your fucking mask on. And keep it on.
No. This isn't hard. Amazing how we'll happily use the military to barely justify a two-decade long war, but we can't manage to figure out how to define "matter of national security" when it comes to a fucking pandemic affecting EVERY citizen in the nation?
Either use your own tools, or become a fucking tool.
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Re:it's just gonna go away, you'll see (Score:4, Interesting)
Masks are enforced here in Canada and we still have surges in cases. Masks do nothing to reduce the number of cases. People think they do, but their effect, if any, is negligible...
Military grade gas masks for every deadly cocktail we've ever encountered or engineered on the battlefield, but a deadly novel coronavirus? Yeah, just tie an old t-shirt around your face and write a cute saying on it. Good enough.
Go figure they're basically worthless, because that is not protection.
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I ordered a family sized fish platter "to go" last Friday, and when I went in to pick it up, neither of the two gentleman in the kitchen were wearing masks.
I told the owner (my brother's friend from high school) that there was no way I was going to accept the order when it was prepared by people who weren't wearing masks.
He walked outside with me, and while we were chatting, he told me that the guys in the kitchen gave him an ultimatum a couple hours earlier... If they had to wear a mask, they were going to
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The reason it is still spreading like wildfire is because people who do not know that they have it are spreading it everywhere they go.
Lockdowns *COULD* change that, but the restrictions (nation-wide curfews, heavy fines for being outside of your home for absolutely *ANY* non-essential purpose, etc) would not be feasible in a country like the USA. Such measures would need to be in place for 6 to 8 weeks and the virus would be all but completely gone.
Re:it's just gonna go away, you'll see (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually, it would take only about two weeks of a truly 100% shutdown to eliminate the virus. Yes, there might be very rare occasions where the incubation period is longer than two weeks, but it is extremely rare.
That said, you really don't have to do something nearly that drastic. You'd have similar results with this approach:
And you're done. Those rules will reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus to almost zero, all without necessitating curfews or fines for being outside your home for purposes that are not particularly risky (e.g. jogging on a walking trail). And most economic activity could still continue, albeit in a modified form.
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as most cloth masks will regretfully not do much to really stop symptomatic spread.
They reduce the spread by 90%. That is why all over the world ppl wear masks.
The velocity of droplets coming from the mouth during coughing or sneezing are just too high to be fully stopped by ordinary fabric,
No it isn't. Without mask it goes 6 feet with masks less than one foot.
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You would have to shit everything down and not two weeks but 30 days. I mean everything. Not one single person could leave their quarantine. The actual infection last longer than two weeks. Two weeks is the average incubation time. If it took 14 days before you showed symptoms and then you have the symptoms for another 20 days you are well past a month already. When I mean shut down everything I mean everything. That means nobody goes to work at the power plant so no electricity. Cops cant patrol. Criminals and druggies have to stay home. You might as well say we need to plug everyone into the Matrix for a month.
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Incubation time is 14 days. What rock did you crawl out under? You Always Always Always have to go by the longest, not the shortest value. If even ONE person is infected when you lift restrictions the entire process starts right back up again. And no, lockdown did NOT work for other countries. Thats why just as soon as their lockdowns lift, cases begin to soar again a month or so later. France is back up to alarming daily jumps as of 2 days ago. I dont care if you were in lockdown 9 months, if someone with covid enters your community it will spread like wildfire. My state was in lockdown from March until June and we still did phased reopenings. Bars still cannot have people at the actual bar, and restaurants are still at 50%. Masks are mandatory indoors of public buildings, except while on cardio equipment or sitting at the table consuming food/drink. Guess what, people still getting infected and some still dying. All we are doing is helping hospitals not get overrun. Thats it. Masks have been more effective than anything else, when people comply. I rarely see someone throw an anti-mask fit. What I usually see are mouthguards, because they wont cover their nose. Sometimes I actually see people remove their mask because they have to sneeze or cough. Thats literally the one thing its there for, but they dont want to dirty it up. You cant fix stupid. A two week shutdown is not going to be enough. If you shut down all travel, shut highways down, suspended trucking, air travel, and railway, it wont be enough. This is a sneeky bastard of a virus. In half of the cases people dont even know. Hell at some point I very well could have had it an never known. Fortunately im a mask fanatic. I am one of the few who feel relieved that some algorithm is not running facial recognition on me. That sense of peace makes mask wearing not only easy for me, but damn near bliss. So if I did contract it a symptomaticly, at least Im fairly confident I did not spread it to anyone. In all likelihood I am higher risk so I doubt i would be asymptomatic, but then again I never got the flu, even when family members tested positive.
Re:it's just gonna go away, you'll see (Score:5, Insightful)
Stupid is the reason lockdowns are necessary. If people were not stupid they'd avoid unnecessary contact and use appropriate precautions for a few weeks, then there'd be no problem.
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Doc said loudly "Well I wonder how many of these morons are gonna die because they aren't smart enough to wear a mask?" but all they did was scowl his way and kept right on getting in each other's faces and not giving a fuck.
Who's being stupid? Maybe all those so-called "morons" not wearing their mask have already had COVID-19 and think they aren't susceptible to it anymore.
Despite early fears of COVID-19 being something people can catch over and over again, reality seems to be that re-infections are a pretty rare occurrence so far.
They're still morons. Rare or not, people who get it again tend to have a worse time of it the second time around, so anyone who has already had it once should be even more wary, not less.
Re: it's just gonna go away, you'll see (Score:3)
The number of repeat infected are astronomically small. A lot of them are actually just a dormant infection that managed to fool a nasal swab. Thereâ(TM)s only been a handful of confirmed reinfections by a different strain. One of those, the patient was undergoing chemo both times. Chemo destroys your immune system. It is no wonder they caught it a second time. There are also those in society that for whatever reason cannot develop an immunity to certain diseases and require heard immunity to survive.
Re: it's just gonna go away, you'll see (Score:5, Insightful)
nearly zero of " those morons" will die, the virus is a minor thing or nothing to most humans. Your friend and you are drama queens.
About ten percent of people are expected to get Long Covid [wikipedia.org]. Interestingly, the economic impact of this is likely to be much more than the deaths (dead people are cheap). It's also completely reasonable to expect the effect could be worse than the worst possible lockdown. You will need long term health and social care for a huge number of people who will probably never work again in the same way as they did before.
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About ten percent of people are expected to get Long Covid [wikipedia.org]
You're lying here, perhaps unintentionally. If you read the sources, the actual number is 10% of hospitalized Covid patients, and of those with "Long Covid" that means they most likely still had a cough a month after discharge. The headline is scarier than the reality.
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The 3rd leading cause of death.
Citation needed.
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Re:it's just gonna go away, you'll see (Score:4, Insightful)
Various resources list heart disease at around 650k yearly deaths in the US, and cancer at around 600k. Haven't found any lists (in the two minutes I spent looking) that have a third entry with a value over much over 200k (chronic lower respiratory diseases and accidents seem to be jockeying for third).
Let us know when heart disease and cancer become infectious. Then we can talk.
Although oddly, both are highly preventable if people take the proper measures. Sound familiar?
Re:it's just gonna go away, you'll see (Score:4, Informative)
Re: it's just gonna go away, you'll see (Score:4, Informative)
I looked it up just now on the CDC. It takes a couple years to finalize these tables. But here is the 2017 breakdown for top 3.
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
So assuming these numbers stay roughly the same, I would accept 3rd leading cause of death in the US.
218000 dead... A modest proposal... (Score:2, Funny)
I'm not saying that a public hanging of everyone in the current administration would help stop further deaths... but it WOULD help!
I mean, do we REALLY need to hit Saddam Hussein's numbers [wikipedia.org] before hangings start?
After all, late November is NOT that far off. Why wait? Get some steel cables and start utilizing them poles.
Re:218000 dead... A modest proposal... (Score:5, Funny)
Leave it to some guy with a german sig to propose murdering a class of people to solve their own problems.
Re:218000 dead... A modest proposal... (Score:5, Funny)
Well, I think people who don't understand hyperbole should be publicly eviscerated in the town square.
Re: 218000 dead... A modest proposal... (Score:3, Insightful)
you seem to be one of those stupid people that think you know what's best for everyone. most people aren't endangered by the virus, it's nothing to them. if you want to cower in your basement go ahead. the economy crashing would kill many more than the virus ever could. the rest of us have money to make and things to do. your liberal paradises like new york show how great your ideas are in practice.
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Don't worry, it'll always go up (Score:5, Insightful)
The thing is, the number will go up until SARS-COV-2 is gone. It won't go down either, because math.
Treating the number as something ominous is basically stupidity and fear-mongering.
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Yes, we should be quoting "active cases", which has increased to a scary 2.7 million in the US now, 30% of known cases worlwide from 4% of the world population. :-(
Bad, France is even worse per-capita with 700k active case and 20% the population of the US.
So, uh, yay USA, I guess
Re: Don't worry, it'll always go up (Score:3)
silly to compare numbers at a point in time when pandemic isn't over. it will surge back in many places as seasons change.
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just looking at charts, it's happening already such as in UK
Re:Don't worry, it'll always go up (Score:5, Insightful)
The 2.7 million number assumes that nobody ever recovers from the disease .
Please try to get some basic understanding before posting.
The 2.7m active cases in US is based on 8m known infections, less 5 million recovered , less 0.2 million dead.
(BTW, "recovered" means the virus no longer detected, but does not mean there will not be lifelong after-effects.)
That a third of cases are still active means a lot of the infections are recent.
Compare to Australia with 1300 active cases from 27,000 total - only 5% still active means it is under control. sort of.
Case-fatality Rate (Score:4, Informative)
218K dead out of 8 million infected translates into case-fatality rate of 2.7% — lower than even Germany's 2.76%, and much lower than in Mexico (10.18%), Italy (9.30%), UK (6.30%), or Canada (5.01%) — the countries, whose "free" healthcare is often lauded as superior to America's "for profit" abomination. (All numbers are from WorldOMeter, fetched today).
Only if you continue trusting China's openness and India's competence :-)
Re: Case-fatality Rate (Score:4, Insightful)
Universal health is better in terms of equity of distribution, not quality of treatment. Americans will often argue that the quality of care in the US is better, and that's fair because it costs a hell of a lot more.
I'm also guessing you don't work with statistics much because there are a bunch of other factors at play here, not least of all the sample size and the distribution of deaths over time.
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That's a fair assessment. Let's take a look at that. Here are the percentages again for reference:
US 2.7%
Germany 2.76%
Italy 9.30%
UK 6.30%
Canada 5.01%
As you acknowledged, the US rate is 2-3X better than the countries with government medical care.
Most people in the US are middle income, so we know the death rate for middle class people is around the 2.7% number, half the rate of Canada. It might be reasonable to estimate that upper income people could have a rate half that, or 1.4% and lower income double
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Given the shit that has gone on with the CDC and the Trump government, I trust US official figures about as much as I trust Chinas.
And I also trust the treatment that I get from the NHS (when I lived in the UK) better that I trust any US hospital.
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No it keeps more people alive with chronic conditions. Have a stroke, heart attack or even need insulin and in a country with good healthcare, you have a lot more vulnerable people who in a country without universal healthcare would already be dead.
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That would be a reasonable belief. Until you see the numbers, of course.
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Most deaths have been in old age homes, at least in parts of Canada. There was also a big problem in the 2 largest Provinces with underpaid workers running away from the worst hit places in Ontario and especially Quebec, where the army had to be called in to care for people, with those 2 Provinces having most of the deaths.
Canada is a federation and each Province is different when it comes to all this stuff.
Re:That's fair. Though worse for everyone isn't be (Score:5, Informative)
That's a fair assessment. Let's take a look at that. Here are the percentages again for reference:
US 2.7%
674 deaths per 1M pop
Germany 2.76%
117 deaths per 1M pop
Italy 9.30%
603 deaths per 1M pop
UK 6.30%
639 deaths per 1M pop
Canada 5.01%
257 deaths per 1M pop
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
Re: That's fair. Though worse for everyone isn't b (Score:3)
In the words of Trump himself, "You can't do that!"
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Americans will often argue that the quality of care in the US is better, and that's fair because it costs a hell of a lot more.
It is only better in special clinics, which have specialized into something. A broken leg e.g. is just the same as everywhere on the planet and there is no real difference if you have Tuberculosis a or a cancer that can be treated with chemo.
It is no longer 1970 - basically every country has top notch hospitals. And for your surprise: the best health care in quality - not only price
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Bzzz! Hold it right there! You've substituted "free" (taxpayer-funded) with "universal" — ours is universal too...
Incorrect. If you cannot afford treatment then you will not be treated. There are plenty of people who die of cancer because they cannot afford treatment.
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There's little waiting for urgent care in Canada. There is waiting for more elective-ish or non-time sensitive conditions. Wait times are obviously something that is constantly being worked on to improve. But things like death from simply "being on a wait list" or a seriously detrimental medical outcome is not a statistically common occurrence based on the various reports (from both sides of the isle) that I've read on (data from 2018.) I had a bout of severe pancreatitis and was in the hospital for a few m
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It's the disadvantage of having good healthcare, you end up with a lot more people with chronic conditions. You keep people alive after strokes and heart attacks and they're more likely to die in a pandemic.
Other countries just let people die ahead of having a pandemic so with fewer elders, there's less to die.
The other problem is the US has learned well how to fudge data and is about as trustworthy as China, with a leadership actually pushing to fuck with the numbers so the leader doesn't look bad.
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Yup, good math, and yet you are modded down.
People just do not think. Trump is not related to the spread of CODID-19.
Re:Case-fatality Rate (Score:5, Insightful)
Multiply the case numbers by 10 (Score:2)
More like 80 million in the worst case. Still puts the death rate at 0.2% which is double the seasonal flu and with a much greater power to infect.
Re: Multiply the case numbers by 10 (Score:3, Insightful)
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The average death rate to COVID19 is worldwide 3.7% - not 0.2%.
It is 30 - 40 times higher than a Flu.
What you think why most countries are on a "semi" lock down?
Still not enough PPE (Score:4, Informative)
We're some eight months into this thing, and we still do not have enough protective masks for health care workers:
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
If only someone had forseen this (Score:5, Insightful)
And if only said person who left said playbook was running for the highest office in the land. [joebiden.com]
If only...
Oh, and if only you could still be subtle in 2020. But JFC, subtly is dead.
I think the problem is it's not hindsight (Score:3)
And of course when Obama & Biden did a disaster drill with Trump during the transition it was, no joke, on how to handle a pa
Re: Still not enough PPE (Score:3, Insightful)
Wooo (Score:3, Insightful)
WOOHOOO America #1
America (Score:2)
Math (Score:2)
There are only two countries with more people than the USA, India and China, so, DUH, we have more cases than UK, Germany, and everyone else.
I lack the knowledge about India to comment on COVID-19 reporting there. China, well Hubei had to build two new hospitals in Wuhan with a total of ~1,800 beds to handle the problem, and China closed travel between provinces to halt the spread. From that and other reporting on BBC, the problem was very likely much larger than officially reported.
Do the math, R factor
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The United States has more cases than the whole European Union, which has a comparable population. More deaths, too.
Coincidence, no doubt.
As if it all boils down to one person (Score:3)
The US has about 350 million people living within its borders, each of those 350 million decided how they would act/react to the current situation, sort of like the "pick your path" fiction that was briefly popular in the early 80s.
Don't want to hold individuals responsible? Fine, there are 50 governors that each decided how their states would react to the situation. For example, it was governors that ordered civic-infected patients back into nursing homes that couldn't isolate them, it was governors that cherry-picked who, what and when to shut things down based on whims, not science, and so on.
Don't want to hold the governors responsible? Fine, let's talk about the leaders of the medical community - The Scientists, the ones we're told we need to slavishly follow, because, well, SCIENCE - they told us not to wear masks (because doctors needed the masks), they told us there was no airborne transmission of the virus, and they failed to produce a correct test in a timely manner, delaying testing for far too long.
Don't want to blame the medical community? Fine, I guess that leaves the President - he failed to take early action (except travel ban in January), downplayed the threat (except for the creation of the task force which went on TV almost daily with political and scientific leaders answering questions for months), and failed to replenish pandemic PPE stock piles after taking office (did anyone in the scientific or medical community ever raise the issue to the administration before the pandemic, or is POTUS omnipotent and supposed to personally monitor national stockpiles?), failed to treat the situation seriously (except for the war production powers act, ramping us up to a million tests a DAY in record time, and project whatever-they-call-it that has promising vaccine being produced in massive quantities while PARALLEL clinical trials phases are testing efficacy, dosing, and side-effects at the same time turning multi-year vaccine development into a one year process, and partnering with Pharma and the military (logistical experts) to manage deployment of safe, effective vaccines as soon as possible). Oh, and the administration did pass what, $3.5 Trillion in aid for almost every American, a number that approaches our annual national budget in normal times.
Also, the summary on /. conflates "cases" with "active cases" and "deaths" - please stick with one metric, don't compare apples to oranges and bananas.
Re:In before (Score:5, Insightful)
The medical prodigies here say all you need is vitamin D.
It probably does help a little bit but not as much as living in countries with sensible politicians. The New Zealand example gets tired - there are other good ones too. [medium.com]
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The fact that our so-called 'leadership' is a fucking dumpster fire isn't quite as relevant as you think, it just amplifies the problem.
Re:In before (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, NZ has fewer people, but you have significantly more ability in your country to do better - you have more doctors, more hospitals, and a better GDP, you just refuse to use them and fob yourselves off with the self delusion that you couldnt do any better.
I dont care.
I really dont.
Im sat here in NZ leading a normal life, going to the shops, cafes, public areas, sports venues and Im not worried at all about catching the virus - the government here acted and beat it. I went out last night and the only nod to Covid restrictions anyone had to make was scanning our contact tracing QR codes at venues - thats it.
Covid tests are free, hospitalisation for Covid is free, no one is going bankrupt because of it. Care homes lock down instantly and require serious levels of PPE to access. People here respect the rules.
So yes, theres plenty that the US could do better without bringing the population densities and numbers into it, but you arent, you arent even trying any more.
Meanwhile, Americans are dying. And its Americans that are saying they couldnt have done better. Fine, believe that all you want, its you that are dying, not us.
Re:In before (Score:5, Insightful)
When you compare the stats for the USA to NZ they are appalling. It seems that many people have trouble getting their heads around the stats. An easy way to look at is to compare NZ to similar size states in the USA. Population wise NZ falls between South Carolina and Alabama. Here in NZ we have had 25 Covid-19 deaths, South Carolina has had 3,615 and Alabama has had 2,786. That is a staggering difference and the USA claims to have the worlds leading health care system whereas NZ relies mainly on a government run system.
When Trump got up in front of the world an claimed NZ was in the grip of a terrible upsurge in Covid-19 cases we looked at his appalling handling of things and thought what a dickhead the guy is. Our PM was very tactful, simply calling it patently wrong. So now we have got rid of it again and have returned back to a normal life while there is now more cases in the White House than there is in out whole country.
I feel sorry for my friends in the USA but really guys, you need to get you shit together, staring with replacing those in charge.
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The issue is that there are far too many Americans who believe his blatant lies, without bothering
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The US is the leading the biggest economy and military power in the world
And look where that's got them, can't even keep their citizens safe on their own soil.
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Maybe Canada is a better comparison. US has had 25,021 cases/million and 675 deaths/million vs Canada's 5,130 cases/mil and 257 deaths/mil. USA finds a new case every 15 tests where Canada tests 45 people before finding a case. USA took way too long to ramp up testing. By the time they had testing capabilities comparable to other countries, the case count had already got away from them.
Trump's strategy seems to be to manage the message more than anything else. He's a PR man, not a leader.
NZ Election Results (Score:5, Insightful)
New Zealand has 5,000,000 people.
Quite a lot of them seem to have voted for a party that has shown competence in dealing with the virus [nzherald.co.nz].
Is there an implication for the result of the US election here?
Re:In before (Score:5, Informative)
And yet, when we follow the link in the great grandparent post of mine which you are replying to, we find that it's not just Island nations like New Zealand that are doing great, but also mainland African and Asian ones like Thailand, Ghana, Vietnam, and Senegal. At the same time Island nations like the UK, Indonesia and the Philippines are having an awful time. The point is that being an island may be useful, but the leadership of the country and the country's public health response is far more important.
Re:In before (Score:4, Interesting)
That medium.com post is brilliant, and correct. Unfortunately it starts with a disclaimer: "Anyone can publish on Medium per our Policies, but we don’t fact-check every story. For more info about the coronavirus, see cdc.gov"; and the CDC has been ripped to shreds [arstechnica.com] by the Trump administration. For more info about the coronavirus, see anywhere but the CDC.
By the way, I'm in New Zealand, and yes our example gets tired. We aren't getting infected by the coronavirus, but the economic effects of the global pandemic are definitely being felt and there is plenty of pain. That won't get fixed until the whole world beats this thing... and the example of the U.S. doesn't inspire confidence that that will happen soon.
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The article, uh, has it's flaws for sure. The central thesis - that we could be learning from countries like Ghana, Vietnam, Thailand and Senegal but we are ignoring them is pretty good though. The only comments that I see that even approach ripping it to shreds that are the ones that claim "there's no data". If you look though, the positive test rate in each of these countries is better than the USA [ourworldindata.org] and noticeably lower than the recommended 5%.
Perhaps you have a different criticism you'd like to quote
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You aren't the first person to make this comment but I think you underestimate the degree of travel in both NZ and Vietnam before the epidemic. NZ has always been a major tourist destination, even though it's so isolated. I think the key thing is that once the epidemic was under way they reduced that travel, in both cases, to almost nothing.
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A honey bee goes from flower to flower .. which does what? Cross pollination. So moving around and interacting with different clusters or groups of people create a spread effect that otherwise would not happen. If 16 people interact together daily and never come in contact with anyone else, their area of influence is very small and they likely are semi-quarantined. Now if 1 of those persons were to spend all day hopping from one group of 16 to another and during the course of the day interacted with 20 different groups, not only is his chances of bringing covid back to the group high, if he does this regularly he could infect all 20 groups. Its a sort of vinn diagram of interaction. Those that stick to boring routines and have fewer interactions have better odds and tend to be less of a risk of spread even if they do become asymptomatic. Its like AIDS or Herpes. You arent just having sex with one person, you are having sex with everyone they ever had sex with. With covid when you come into contact with someone its everyone they came in contact with in the last 14 days.
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Funny how we always get people here who do mega "whataboutism" - Europe is a continent with many countries not a country and Europe's population is just under 750 million where the USA population is just over 300 million. If that is your standard of comparison then you are failing.
OTOH the fact that Europe is coming back is really interesting. Most European countries had it completely under control quite often without total shutdowns. Just using contact tracing. Now they opened up to international travel
Math not a forte I see. Nor geography. Or reading. (Score:5, Insightful)
What is really strange is how you can't read your own links.
In absolute terms, new cases in Europe surpassed the United States last month and cases within the 27-member European Union were higher than U.S. cases by last week.
But Europe, a continent of 740 million, is far larger than the United States, a country of 330 million, and only now has more new cases relative to its population.
Also, it's staggering that you don't realize that Europe is not a country but a continent comprised of many nations and governments.
Unlike US of A... Which is currently run by a death cult.
Re:Math not a forte I see. Nor geography. Or readi (Score:4, Informative)
It's staggering that you don't realize that like the European Union, the United States is comprised of 50 States, each with their own government with responsibility for public health concerns. That's how you get some states like NY/NJ at 1,800 deaths/million on others like AK/WY with relevant graphs for where things have been and are going in the EU vs. USA.
Re:Math not a forte I see. Nor geography. Or readi (Score:5, Interesting)
> Also, it's staggering that you don't realize that Europe is not a country but a continent comprised of many nations and governments.
> Unlike US of A... Which is currently run by a death cult.
What exactly does "death cult" mean to you? The US is 9th place in deaths per capita, behind the UK and Spain.
Also, is New York City also ran by a "death cult".
Or are you talking about the Illuminati?
Almost every country ahead of the US in deaths per capita is either vastly poorer (Brazil) or is one of the European countries that got Coronavirus early. often before the virus was even identified [reuters.com]. The first known death in the UK was from an infection caught in December 2019.
When in February 2020 Trump refused to close the borders or set up quarantine and just blocked people living in China and at the same time didn't activate the pre-existing anti-pandemic plan, that does look quite a bit like the actions of a death cult. If you consider he's also backing coal power and things like that which might bring an end to human life and leave the planet to the bacteria and insects, then "death cult" is about right.
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> Also, it's staggering that you don't realize that Europe is not a country but a continent comprised of many nations and governments. > Unlike US of A... Which is currently run by a death cult.
What exactly does "death cult" mean to you? The US is 9th place in deaths per capita, behind the UK and Spain.
Also, is New York City also ran by a "death cult".
Or are you talking about the Illuminati?
Almost every country ahead of the US in deaths per capita is either vastly poorer (Brazil) or is one of the European countries that got Coronavirus early. often before the virus was even identified [reuters.com].
Also, out of the top 10:
Most of the European countries on that list have relatively high overall density, with the exception of Spain and Andorra (which is a very low-density city state). Spain's poverty rate is relatively high, and Andorra's total population is so small that the error bars are on their deaths per million should be huge, i.e. with a population of only about 76k people and only double-digit total deaths, random chance could easily make the difference between being #4 and #194.
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Poverty has nothing to do with Spain's death rate. Spain suffered terribly from unfortunate timing. It along with Belgium and Italy where the first places in Europe hit, at a time when the effects of the virus were largely unknown (no public health policy existed). Concurrently Spain and Belgium were celebrating Carnival, and Spain was doing what Spain does in Jan/Feb/Mar: Each city celebrating in giant street parties for the own special reason.
Me, I caught COVID-19 in a multi week long party in the leadup to Las Fallas de Valencia. Holy shit that was an epic party. The actual festivals themselves got cancelled in the last minute but not before the Spaniards took to the street for several weeks of pre-drinks leading up them.
Barcelona was another great outbreak location... Oh right Beer festival. Madrid got hit mostly by Carnival and by people returning from Barcelona and Valencia.
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This is a huge problem for diabetics (Score:2)
Right now my understanding is a lot of them are messaging Mexicans who run it over the border, sometimes illegally...
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In the USA it's cheaper to fly to Germany to buy insulin out of pocket. https://time.com/5706668/insul... [time.com]
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Odd border closure when I have been to Mexico twice in the past two months. Stranger too weâ(TM)re the lines of cars/people going north and south.
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Everybody is aware that the 'case numbers' are completely bogus and that only the hospitalizations and deaths are somewhat accurate (for a low level of accurate), but nobody wants to get in the way of a good hyperbole story. A graph that stubbornly sits at almost zero, does not sell newspapers.
Deaths are a direct effect of hospital capacity and vulnerability. They aren't the be-all and end-all. Your death rate is meaningless to people stuck in hospital. Your death rate is meaningless to the people with sensory issues, heart problems, and even brain damage, all of which have been shown to be lasting effects of contracting the virus.
If we can get people to care about something, then let's use those other numbers to sell newspapers. What's important is that we aggressively address idiots who conside
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Look at the fine print below the CNN graph.
Note: data is based on rolling, seven-day averages. Europe region based on United Nations definition, which includes Russia.
In other words, their data has been manipulated and massaged to increase the click-bait potential.
Did you think covid got cured every weekend and then a new strain comes back every Monday...
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Note: Data is based on rolling, seven-day averages. Europe region based on United Nations definition, which includes Russia.
In other words, their data has been manipulated and massaged to increase the click-bait potential.
It's normally pretty annoying that people act as if the EU was the same as Europe and forget almost half the people and most of the land mass in places like Ukraine and Yugoslavia. Most Russians are Europeans so just see this as educational click-baiting.
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I'm still alive.
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CDC recently updated estimated infection fatality rates for COVID. Here are the updated survival rates by age group:
0-19: 99.997%
20-49: 99.98%
50-69: 99.5%
70+: 94.6%
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
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This according to the CDC. For example, there was a case were a guy was killed in a motorcycle accident, and it was attributed to covid.
And who is going to believe you such bullshit?
And, honestly: if it was true, why would it matter when you have more than 200k dead?
Trump has proved that even an overweight 74 year old can blow off covid like it's nothing.
... don't you read/watch news?
He neither proved it nor did it. He got monoclonal anti body therapy