Poll Shows Bipartisan Support For Tech Antitrust Action (axios.com) 51
About half of Americans on both sides of the aisle back the Justice Department's antitrust lawsuit against Google, while fewer than a third oppose it, according to a new poll from progressive groups Demand Progress and Data for Progress shared exclusively with Axios. From a report: There's a growing pile of evidence that regulatory action against Big Tech has bipartisan support, as state and federal antitrust action circles companies like Google and Facebook. While there are many party-line splits on tech policy issues like content moderation, privacy and misinformation, more policymakers and average Americans than ever agree tech is too big and powerful. Winning antitrust suits represents a massive lift for the government and passing new antitrust legislation is hard. In an online survey of 979 likely voters polled by Demand Progress and the Demand Progress Education Fund from October 24-25 (with a margin of error of +-3.1 percentage points), 48% said they strongly or somewhat support the DOJ's lawsuit. 32% strongly or somewhat oppose it. The numbers were fairly consistent across both parties, with 52% of Republicans supporting the suit, compared to 49% of Democrats. 26% of Republicans polled opposed it, while 32% of Democrats did.
Specifically Google or all of "Big Tech"? (Score:2)
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oligarchs in russia are doing it.
americas train barons did it.
americas oil oligarchs are doing it.
now internet oligarchs are doing it.
and it has been shown that to much of anything is unhealthy.
stepping back and looking at these successful people.
i am asking the question.
how do they live.
what biological systems are they using.
i am suggesting we study their habits.
we should study their environments.
we should learn from these apex successfuls.
before automation makes th
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The right doesn't care about Apple because their primary reason for these antitrust actions is that they're angry with the censorship of "conservative" content (read: blocking what European nations might call hate speech), and Apple doesn't run a social media company, and their CEO hasn't made an enemy of the Dear Orange Leader.
The left wants antitrust actions because monopolies and oligopolies are bad (news at 11), and in this regard Apple is a top offender at least on par with the others, but the left isn
Re:Specifically Google or all of "Big Tech"? (Score:4, Insightful)
Careful, your bias is showing.
Apple's largest sins are
1: Their anticonsumer behavior in terms of reparability. Sadly neither party cares about right to repair. Its something you hear tech savvy individuals talk about and libertarians throw around but it has effectively zero mainstream traction. Be nice if it did but politicians don't give a fuck.
2: Their willingness to do business with the CCP and use slave labor. This one will become a bigger and bigger issue and get them in more trouble and time goes on. Anti-China sentiment is growing
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Valid points, but Apple ruling developers with an iron fist through their app store is pretty damn monopolistic IMO. Google doesn't exert that kind of control, sideloading on Android is easy.
It's like seeing an alternate history of what might've happened in the PC world if there were no IBM clones.
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That's fair. Not sure how I forgot about the App Store. I blame the coffee machine being slow this morning.
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I can't any negative reason with the apple store.
I also don't like apple.
It all fall's under the terms which they play the game,
they try very hard to have a safer than expected
computing environment, and to play in that game you
need to work within those rules and sell at a service fee
33% or so.
You could also have people self load, and apple will happily
tell you that you can, you also run the risk of the software
having less security that expected.
Re: Specifically Google or all of "Big Tech"? (Score:2)
Through little fault of their own they have near monopolies in important market segments like non data mining mobile phones and closely integrated hardware/software solution computers.
Android and Windows are only competition in a loose sense. They are mostly picking up crumbs in the consumer market at this point, diminishing crumbs. Were Google to get broken up Android would be dead entirely in one or two years.
The massive scale required for a competitor with the same level of vertical integration to get of
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Through no fault of their own? So Google and Facebook just slipped up an accidentally bought up all their competitors?
It is true though that to deliver to businesses cheap, effective targeted advertising you need data on everyone, which encourages scale and inhibits competition.
The media has been claiming that everything tech does is evil, even the stuff that doesn't do any harm and gives people great services. So of course you have bipartisan support for unspecified measures against no one in particular
Re: Specifically Google or all of "Big Tech"? (Score:2)
I was talking about Apple.
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Article seems to go back and forth between them. I also find it odd that Apple is never mentioned in any of these.
Well, that's rather easy to understand. Apple is obviously a Democratic organization, and therefore is the media darling of the MSM.
Microsoft? Hmmm, I dunno...kinda smells like a Republican in here...
(Amazon just quietly sits in the corner watching all, as an extension of the NSA/CIA. Nothing to see here folks...nothing to see...)
Re:Specifically Google or all of "Big Tech"? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Get down in the weeds and start saying "Google", "FaceBook", or "Oracle" in the question and you'll get more divergent responses.
What evidence do you have to back this up? Because this particular poll seems to directly contradict your claim. It has several questions which specifically only mention certain companies, and other questions that only mention "large tech companies", and there is no definitive divide in responses amongst the two types. It honestly seems like you only read the headline and nothing else.
Polling Theory (Score:2)
https://www.pewres [pewresearch.org]
Some nerfing might be needed (Score:2)
When you have megacorps that got more powerful than the government, they might stop listening to it.
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Getting nervous I see
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LOLOL!!! Not even a little.
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I hope these aren't the same fake polls claiming Biden is up 14 points.
You mean like even the Republican internal polls that show Trump struggling heavily compared to 2016?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22... [cnn.com]
(Yes, yes, I know, CNN bad, arggh fake news, etc)
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This might be the last week of Silver's career.
I'm willing to run that risk against the possibility of it being the last week of trump's career.
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One of the Yougov polls that Nate Silver is basing his projection on had PA at 89-Biden, 7-Trump. 89 to 7. Trump won PA in 2016. Yougov is an online poll.
That statement is rated "true but misleading". YouGov does polling online. But it isn't an online poll in the sense that most people think of online polling (i.e. where people who go to a particular website self-select about whether they respond to the poll).
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The number of voters aged 18-29 early voting is, according to Biden boosters, up 600% over the number of voters aged 18-29 who voted in person in 2016. ... There are similarly implausible increase in other age brackets, again, keeping in mind that most polls show most voters intend to vote in person ...
Even a 600% increase in that age range would only be about four or five million extra young early voters, or only about 3.6% of the number of people who voted in 2016. At least on the surface, that doesn't seem to conflict with the statement that most voters intend to vote in person.
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But now we have early mail-in voting results that shows Biden ahead.
Early mail-in voting results in a presidential election? Show me a link because I doubt there is any such thing. In a typical presidential election they can't announce results from the east cost before the polls on the west coast close. This is to avoid the possibility that early east coast reporting could affect the west coast voting. So I doubt very much they are reporting a live tally ahead of the election.
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Don't worry about the popular vote polls. The 2020 presidential election will be decided by the voters in around 5 swing states. Voting for a candidate's slate of electors is merely a civic ceremony for most Americans, it doesn't matter by what margin Biden crushes Trump in California, or Trump crushes Biden in Alabama. The media reports popular vote polls because they're easy to understand, but in an increasingly polarized country they have only weak predictive value.
Fun fact: with the growth of the Latin
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Don't worry about the popular vote polls. The 2020 presidential election will be decided by the voters in around 5 swing states. Voting for a candidate's slate of electors is merely a civic ceremony for most Americans, it doesn't matter by what margin Biden crushes Trump in California, or Trump crushes Biden in Alabama. The media reports popular vote polls because they're easy to understand, but in an increasingly polarized country they have only weak predictive value.
Fun fact: with the growth of the Latino population in Texas and the aging of the white population, the state is expected to flip to blue some time in the coming decades. It's already become competitive enough that Biden is campaigning there, although that's an extreme long shot in 2020. If demographics shift Texas into the blue column, it will be practically impossible for a Republican candidate to amass 270 electoral votes unless Republicans manage to flip a large blue state like New York.
I can definitely say that, in my Southern state that has been reliably Republican, I've seen a big increase in political advertising this cycle, including almost daily text messages. They know the demographics are shifting, and that states that haven't normally been in play suddenly are.
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Demographics and public opinion have been constantly shifting since the country was founded, and what parties quickly found out is that you reinvent yourself or perish. And in response to that, the other party is forced to reinvent itself in turn. Over generations, issues and marginal groups end up getting tossed between parties like juggling pins.
When I was a kid back in the 1960s, the Democratic party rank and file were largely anti-immigrant and anti-science. The Republican rank and file were for exte
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When I was a kid back in the 1960s, the Democratic party rank and file were largely anti-immigrant and anti-science. The Republican rank and file were for extending and protecting minority voting rights. But with the civil rights movement and the Great Migration having undermined the Democratic Party in battlegrounds it needed to win, the party leadership decided to make civil rights a Democratic Party issue. This negated the Republicans' historical advantage, but left a lot of voters on the table who viewed minorities and immigrants as a threat to the status quo. Both parties today would be shocking to people who were their stalwarts in 1960.
Oh, I'm well aware of that shift. At the college I went to several buildings were named in honor of Jesse Helms who was instrumental in that ideological shift. It's why I always give a nice (depressed) chuckle whenever some Republican spouts off "the party of Lincoln" since the modern Republican party is more aligned ideologically with the people Lincoln was fighting against.
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If Texas goes blue you will suddenly see Republicans all in favor of eliminating the electoral college, or at least requiring the electoral votes be distributed based on the popular vote in each state. All that "we are a Republic not a Democracy" talk will vanish down the memory hole.
Of course the Democrats will also flip and suddenly be hugely in favor of the Electoral college. We can always hope that just maybe they will realize that they will win in either system, so maybe their resistance will not be as
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although that's an extreme long shot in 2020
Not that extreme, 30% odds Biden wins Texas. Very high turnout in Texas this year.
Dubious (Score:2)
The poll sampled "979 likely voters". I'm pretty sure that isn't really indicative of the opinion of the entire country. Furthermore, Demand Progress, while an asset to the online community, is not really an unbiased source for a survey like this.
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The poll sampled "979 likely voters". I'm pretty sure that isn't really indicative of the opinion of the entire country. Furthermore, Demand Progress, while an asset to the online community, is not really an unbiased source for a survey like this.
It's a poll of people so lonely and bored they are willing to talk to strangers on the phone and answer dumb questions.
Do you even answer the phone when you don't recognize the number?
All comes down to 2 things (Score:1)
Biden loses might be antitrust actions
Really does not matter much, the only reason this is being talked about is big tech and the swamp have not agreed on a price yet and all sides are posturing.
Be sure to Vote!
Suport among wrong people (Score:2)
Unfortunately it's just the support among normal people. What's the support among the ruling class?
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1. Guy gets suckered into moving his retail business to Amazon Fulfillment.
There's his mistake
2. Startup uses GCP
That's their mistake.
3. Apple
There's your mistake.
It's not a monopoly if you can just NOT USE their shitty products. Just refuse. Problem solved.
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mostly valid,
fortnite I think has it's own installer for android and apple
and the most popular games have it I think
Polling is actually HIGHLY accurate (Score:1)
D'uh (Score:2)
Do you think this might be a good idea before or after the Facebook Supreme Court starts to get taken seriously as a real court? Big tech has long ago entered the oligarchy realm and they damn well know it too. They have larger economies than entire nation states. They have more power than any company in history and have no qualms about abusing their power. Why would anybody be surprised that people want to see anti-trust action taken against them?
Just because you like the fact that they are acting against
Wasn't Slashdot Just Claiming... (Score:1)