Zuckerberg Acknowledges 'Risk of Civil Unrest' After US Elections, Promises Newsfeed Updates (zdnet.com) 314
ZDNet reports:
Facebook founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg told analysts on a conference call Thursday evening that the company plans to post notices at the top of users' news feeds on November 3rd discrediting any claims by either candidate in the U.S. presidential election that they have won the election if the site deems the claim premature... The move, said Zuckerberg, is being made because "There is a risk of civil unrest across the country, and given this, companies like ours need to go well beyond what we've done before."
The conference call with analysts followed a third-quarter earnings report Thursday afternoon in which Facebook's results topped expectations, helped by gains in active users that also were higher than Wall Street expected.
Zuckerberg said Facebook "helped 4.4 million people register [to vote] exceeding the goal that we set for ourselves this summer."
The conference call with analysts followed a third-quarter earnings report Thursday afternoon in which Facebook's results topped expectations, helped by gains in active users that also were higher than Wall Street expected.
Zuckerberg said Facebook "helped 4.4 million people register [to vote] exceeding the goal that we set for ourselves this summer."
This is a joke? (Score:2, Insightful)
Social Media are Amplifiers [Re:This is a joke?] (Score:5, Insightful)
Him and buddys are the cause of it
No, but social media are an amplifier. They amplify good and bad without discrimination, but they amplify outrage very very effectively: if it makes people outraged, they share.
Re:Social Media are Amplifiers [Re:This is a joke? (Score:5, Interesting)
It's more than that, they've essentially decided to optimize for maximum outrage. Basically, they picked a few metrics that they could easily measure to determine how "engaged" someone was with the content, and the easiest metrics are if they "liked" it, "shared" it, or commented on it. Those happen to correlate very well with enraging content ("someone is wrong on the Internet" [xkcd.com]). They then amplify the "most engaging" content based on the theory that this will keep people using the site more.
And they're probably right.
For the short term, at least.
Until people just burn out of an app that does nothing but make them mad whenever they open it and just - stop using it. But by then, the damage has already been done.
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A *selective* amplifier. That is probably OP'a point.
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Re: Trump is a symptom not a cause. (Score:5, Insightful)
He's sowing FUD about the election because his team knows he cannot win a fair election. Honestly why this isn't raising more right-wing eyebrows is beyond me, you undoubtedly would never want the opposition to behave this way.
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Re: Trump is a symptom not a cause. (Score:2)
We need mail-in voting because we're smack in the middle of a pandemic. Republicans are against that.
Re: Trump is a symptom not a cause. (Score:5, Informative)
You have been told they are an epic fail because Republicans fear they'll lose. Additionally they have made no claims substantiated by face, just fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
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I like how the Trump Administration's sabotage of the USPS was so elegantly overlooked. Heh.
Re: This is a joke? (Score:2)
Claims like "TDS" sure were a lot easier to make without challenge back when politicians didn't do their silliness on camera and in tweet form, weren't they? ;)
Re: This is a joke? (Score:2)
If you're not deranged, you're not paying attention.
Trump is already encouraging it (Score:2, Troll)
He thought the maga moron calvary in Texas was a "hot thing" and should be trending #1 on Twitter. Jr incited the incident and told them to "have some fun". Trump has more sway than Twitter and Facebook combined.
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But Trump and Jr are saying this shit on Twitter and Facebook, and the chuds are spreading it far and wide.
It seems that thanks to them many are convinced that the only way Trump could lose is if Biden is cheating. Even theough the polls are already showing this is the most likely outcome, millions are probably going to refuse to acknowledge the results. Hopefully this won't go further than that.
Re: Trump is already encouraging it (Score:2, Insightful)
The most ironic thing about that whole Trump convoy thing is, think about what other group comes to mind when someone says a convoy of pickups flying flags. A group that is hyper violent, seeks to take the world back centuries, and is hostile to science. Yup, ISIS.
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Bruh, you stopped short, you forgot what group believes in using violence for political ends, tearing down statues that don't comport with its dogma, and policing people for wrong think? That's right, SJWs are the new ISIS.
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. A group that is hyper violent, seeks to take the world back centuries, and is hostile to science. Yup, ISIS.
tearing down statues that don't comport with its dogma.
Yeah, nothing says patriotism like protecting statues of people that literally declared war on the United States. No wonder Trumptards can't get over the whole Hillary thing from 4 years ago when they can't even get over the Civil War 135 years ago.
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I nominate you for the mental gymnastics gold award.
Given his previous actions... (Score:2)
I wouldn't put it past him to glibly keep those notices up for the entire term of a Biden administration, even in the advent of a landslide.
You know - to minimize the 'risk of unrest', because he's so 'neutral'.
Ryan Fenton
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https://fortune.com/2018/02/17... [fortune.com] >Russia has interfered in American politics, while they appear to have a preference in candidate, it is more clear that they have a desire to incite conflict.
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Exactly.
This is the point partisans seem to miss. Mostly, what the Russians want is to create disorder and conflict in America.
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My MAGA MIL routinely forwards posts that most likely were created in Russia for this purpose... oh the irony.
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I'm old enough to remember when any republican who had close business ties with the russians would not have been able to be get nominated let alone elected.
Secret Chinese banks accounts would have been frowned upon too.
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What do you think they are? Elder Gods?
No! RUSSIANS!
Re:Not enough. (Score:4, Insightful)
Russia has managed to successfully organize protests and counter protests in the US that were attended by a small number people. They have been practicing and experimenting.
https://fortune.com/2018/02/17... [fortune.com]
Russia has interfered in American politics, while they appear to have a preference in candidate, it is more clear that they have a desire to incite conflict.
Just as well the US would never stoop to that level. Other than every Russian election ever, obviously.
Seriously, this is what spies do. This is what the CIA does; it's what GCHQ does; it's certainly what Mossad does. They are paid by their governments to advance the country's interest by "other means" which includes trying to get elections skewed towards candidates sympathetic to them.
It's not new and it's not unusual. If you think a bit of this happening is a reason to invalidate an election then you'll need to go back to George Washington and declare the whole thing null and void.
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Re: Not enough. (Score:2)
It doesn't take much of a propaganda mastermind when the chief covid advisor to Trump is out there willingly giving interviews to RT.
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Meddling with elections = sport to win in.
And I say 911 just wasn't enough.
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Hmm. I misunderstood. You are right.
If MSM calls the election on the 3rd... (Score:2)
...Facebook may post an item overruling them? How much would that ad placement cost?
Petulant is the word (Score:2)
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Actually, if you’ve seen recent news, that’s exactly what’s been happening. Biden is less prone to it than Trump, and I hope he wins, but he’s been throwing temper tantrums at both Facebook and Trump lately.
Citation?
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There's only so much you can pack into 280 characters, and it's hard to follow your racist stepbrother on Twitter when he won't tell you his handle is 'Trump42020'.
First off Twitter will try and mine your contacts for people to follow, so it can find your stepbrother that way (unless you block access to your contacts), but secondly, it's not just that which really differentiates Twitter: Twitter, for the most part, only shows you stuff people you follow do. (Well, in the "latest tweets" view, but more on that later.)
Facebook is fairly unique in this: their real names policy and the fact their advertising system rewards "engagement" (which is why Facebook charged the Clinton campaign significantly more per ad than the Trump campaign in 2016) and uses personal information about each of their users against them.
It's this, in one really insidious way: Facebook doesn't limit the content on your timeline to content you've said you want to see or that your friends ha
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Well, in Germany no one is using FB as a "political tool" - the only adds I see are for products, not for parties.
Interesting (Score:3)
The guy creates a site that allows people to form bubbles of people with group-think and easily coordinate messages and activities. Democrats use it to get Obama elected, which makes it even more popular with its target audience. Years later, people working for Trump figure out a way to use it to get elected, and suddenly people who previously loved it hate it - but keep using it. Then, for four straight years that site hosts an endless stream of false accusations that Trump is guilty of treason (a crime against the American people, and punishable by death) and accusations that Trump "cheated" to get elected and is illegitimate.
- and all along, by its very nature, Facebook is watching as the people on the site in all the associated thought bubbles are making connections with each other and ranting and raving - this includes all the people who've spent four long years pouring hatred onto Trump and his supporters and fantasizing about killing him and his supporters, killing cops, burning and looting business, and planning a revolution.
and just now, right before an election, and after YEARS of knowing and watching exactly what's been transpiring on his site, he's concerned? Remember: this guy can see what's happening in on his site in realtime.
Is he concerned because he knows his users very well and knows which way they might vote (and that Trump might get elected) and also knows them well enough to know Trump haters will not react well? (he can see the left, the right, and the center, to the degree all those groups are present on his site).
Republicans in America have never reacted to the election of a Democrat with violence. Democrats in America have often reacted to election of Republicans with violence. In 1860 they most famously reacted to the election of Lincoln by starting an actual civil war, and when they lost they assassinated Lincoln. Also note: every presidential assassin or would-be assassin who was not legally insane has been to the political left of his/her target.
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It's a paliative at this point.
Go back to protesting on wallstreet with everyone, or enjoy turning into third world.
Re:Zuckerberg the BORG will fuel the fire (Score:5, Interesting)
I certainly will enjoy it.
I have a feeling that European governments started to slow down their path to insanity since Trump's insanity and internal focus gave them enough motivation to start becoming independent of US dominance.
US influence on us has noticeably weakened.
In a good way. (No need to reject the good parts of US culture.)
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And a fourth man's healthy revolution against dictatorship, not to forget.
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The moment something is broken or thrown the protest is over. And the riot has begun.
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One step ahead of the thought police. Or are we already behind?
You've over thinking this. You don't need to be Facebook to be able to see the country is extremely divided and that active campaigns exist that promote extremism, including those from the President himself.
Now stand back and standby.
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Zuck likes the President, but doesn't want to admit it.
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Zuck likes the President, but doesn't want to admit it.
I doubt it. Zuckerberg probably has an indifferent view regarding all people. He probably sees people in terms of "useful," "problematic," "antagonistic," etc. Ironically, Zuckerberg probably does not know what it feels like to "like" something other than himself.
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Wat.
I dislike Zuck as much as the next human, but ... "something to hide"?
Aren't you the guy talking about the inalienable fundamental right to privacy? And now you wanna violate that because it suits your needs? Just like him...?
I'm gonna call you CloneZuck from now on.
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You mean like W. Bush was so much worse?
And Obama didn't in actual.practice actually continue his policies, despite all the promises?.
Yeah, Biden will contine Trump's legacy. But in a way that will make you vote for SuperTrump after him. (Just like Trump is SuperDubbya.)
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BIG difference between Trump and other presidents
Yes. Trump is the only POTUS in the last....10ish....who hasn't initiated an armed conflict on foreign soil. Wildly different guy.
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Our internal conflict is largely the result of the Trump resistance doing the thing they always accuse him of doing.... violating norms. Normally, we don't create large protests of a president before they even take office. Normally we don't try and impeach or remove him from the get go. Normally we don't abuse security briefings to investigate the incoming president based on evidence that we already know is week (crossfire hurricane was built on false premises and did exactly that). Normally we don't tr
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In the past, it was the far left groups that were more dangerous, but thats changed. Right wing violence is very possible of Trump decides to incite it
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The only vehicle hit was an SUV that was itself veering into someone else's lane at the time.
This is a flat-out lie: https://twitter.com/ericcervin... [twitter.com]
This clearly shows the white mini-van behind the bus until the truck runs into it, twice.
Re:From the left I assume? (Score:5, Insightful)
I think you have it backwards. The Trump supporters are the ones wanting to go out with guns to "monitor" polling places. Trump is the person insisting that if he loses it will be because of fraud and not possibly because people don't like him. I have never once heard Biden claim that if he loses it would be because Republicans are dumping ballots into the river. If Trump loses, and it looks like a good chance he will, there will be unrest by the Trumpets. Even hardcore Republicans are thinking that perhaps loyalty to the country taking priority over loyalty to party leadership.
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The Trump supporters are the ones wanting to go out with guns to "monitor" polling places.
And yet it's "BLM" and "antifa" that have had to be removed from blocking polling places multiple times by police. They're the groups setting their own neighborhoods and their own cities on fire. The left has murdered multiple Trump supporters in cold blood over the past few months and the best the left can do is point to a few instances of self defense by Trump supporters who, thanks to the Second Amendment, defended themselves from being murdered by leftwing thugs.
Trump is not going to lose. The polls are
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Trump will be the one inciting the riots if he loses. He's already refused to confirm he will accept the result of the vote and go quietly, and stoked up conspiracy theories about widespread fraud.
Just today he was supporting domestic terrorists who attacked a Biden campaign bus. He isn't going to accept losing gracefully.
Re:From the left I assume? (Score:5, Informative)
Protesters With Trump Flags Swarm William Barr's Home Demanding He 'Lock Up Joe Biden' [newsweek.com]
Biden campaign cancels Texas event after Trump supporters surround bus on interstate [cnn.com]
Is THIS the actions of civilzed, intelligent people? Or are they reactionary animals, lashing out with no internal editing?
This sort of thing makes me wonder if these people are just building themselves up to the point where they'll just start shooting people outright.
Whatever it all is, THIS IS NOT GOOD, THIS IS ALL THE ANTITHESIS OF 'GOOD', IT'S UTTER INSANITY!
Re: From the left I assume? (Score:2)
Your reasoning is right up there with Trump has had many bankruptcies, therefore any new business the Trump organization gets must be illegal criminal activity because who does legitimate business with a bankrupt man in debt up to his eyeballs, if not to influence him, which is illegal because reasons.
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The FBI is now investigating the MAGA terrorists.
https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
Trump has revealed his plan to steal the election. Lawsuits will start tomorrow to attempt to discard as many of the early votes as possible.
https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
Apparently the only way to "make America great" is to make sure as few Americans as possible can vote. Should tell you all you need to know right there.
At least it looks like those 100k+ votes in Texas are going to get counted, and PA is already putting out multiple announcements that accurate vote counts out of that state aren't expected until the end of the week due to the number of early/mail in ballots and relevant state laws that don't allow for processing of mail in ballots until Tuesday morning and
Re: From the left I assume? (Score:2)
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domestic terrorists who attacked a Biden campaign bus
You misspelled assholes. And your being a bit melodramatic calling them terrorists. Maybe you need to relax a bit.
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Right, so according to you "they" are all evil dumbasses that can't be reasoned with, and yet you see "them" as the ones that have chosen hatred.
Well, Republicans have decided a pandemic that's killed a quarter of a million people is Fake News, and they're doing all they can to suppress votes because they know their stupid, evil bullshit is not a winning strategy.
A spade is a spade. Grandma was the head of the Republican party in the town I grew up in. If I could hook her up to a generator I'd have free energy from her turning over in her grave at the depravity of the Republican party these days.
If you can't call out evil when you see it you're eith
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Yeah these guys certainly seem well adjusted. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/31... [cnn.com] The local police were even in on it. This is the type of shit you see in third world countries.
Re:From the left I assume? (Score:5, Insightful)
because nobody is going to riot if Trump loses
Yeah that's right I remember that there were no right wing protests at all in the past 4 years. I remember how they weren't aggressive. I remember how people with guns draped in American flags didn't go to defend statues based solely on a hoax Facebook post by a troll. I remember how the president didn't tell right wing extremist militia to stand back and stand by.
Ahh life is so much more peaceful at home. Speaking of, where are you from? I'm from alternate reality 451 and you? You're clearly a dimensional traveler too, it's great to meet one out and about.
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I can only assume that Zuckerberg meant that there will be civil unrest BY THE DEMOCRATS, because nobody is going to riot if Trump loses.
The confirmation bias is strong in this one.
Re: Psychologically accurate (Score:2)
I think this is what's meant by the phrase "educated beyond one's intelligence."
Re: they are preparing to stage a coup if needed (Score:3)
Trump is an egomaniac, which means Trump's primary concern is Trump. He knows he has to stay in power because that's the only way to protect himself. He knows that in the US a private citizen, especially a rich one, can get away with almost anything, and he has. I dont think he realized the scrutiny he would be under as president and I think he is absolutely miserable. But his administration has been so inept and so dirty that there will be a lot of consequences coming once he leaves office, especially f
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Re: they are preparing to stage a coup if needed (Score:2)
For federal crimes, I agree with you. A new president prosecuting a former president will set a very bad precedent. But the federal government can't really do anything about state crimes, and there is plenty of evidence that Trump has committed state crimes, either bank fraud or tax fraud (under/over valuing assets for tax/loan purposes respectively). Thats why Trumps only real hope is to win reelection again, use the DoJ as a shield, and hope statute of limitations can run out on any potential state crime
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this is nothing less than preparing for a takeover with a coup
Careful, THEY are MONITORING you!
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I can't find any evidence of Biden's bus being attack. Could you list sources for Biden's bus being "literally attacked" by Trump supporters?
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You need to train more. Your Search-Fu is weak.
Found this in less than 30 seconds
https://www.huffpost.com/entry... [huffpost.com]
While the bus was not "literally attacked" which would call forth images of flying stones and people with pitch forks and torches, although an SUV was intentionally damaged by a Trump supporter.
I leave finding more articles as an exercise for you to improve your searches
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See, you are a fucking pedophile, because you cant prove otherwise, you disgusting fuck.
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If you keep pounding your keyboard that hard you'll break it
Stop projecting, and you should now better especially after what you saw was projected out of the Bidens that night.
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"GET RID OF RACIST LAW ENFORCEMENT."
I'll go along with that! Alas, it was BIDEN who helped enact the laws that sent black people to prison for crack and let white cocaine users skate with "counseling".
Trump has started to remove the racist laws that Biden proposed, 30 years ago. Vernon Jordan writes that Trump has done more for the black community in 4 years than Biden ever did in 4 DECADES in government.
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Facebook is a private company and can censor or publish as they see fit. Feel free to use any of the other numerous social media sites. Also your first link is a Fox News opinion piece so keep that in mind.
Re:Of course they will (Score:5, Informative)
- A Fox News opinion column by Adonis Hoffman, a particularly ugly anti-LGBT bigot.
- "The Federalist", a website founded by white supremacist Ben Domenech.
- The personal site of "Jonathon Turley", a right-wing hack known best for his outlandish legal theories about presidential supremacy (which curiously only apply when the president is white).
- The Daily Fail, a website of such little repute that we don't need to go any further.
- "Townhall", a site created to be another front-group for the white supremacist "Heritage Foundation", with an article by Beth Baumann, who... well... one look at her twitter feed says yeah, she's white supremacist slime.
And then you keep trying to push a bunch of discredited narratives based on this garbage put out by white supremacist propagandists. The problem here isn't that "people don't listen to conservatives" as you kept lying previously, it's that we hear you constantly and we know what you cross burners are up to every time you try out a new load of lies and gaslighting.
Re:Of course they will (Score:4, Informative)
- A Fox News opinion column by Adonis Hoffman, a particularly ugly anti-LGBT bigot.
- "The Federalist", a website founded by white supremacist Ben Domenech.
- The personal site of "Jonathon Turley", a right-wing hack known best for his outlandish legal theories about presidential supremacy (which curiously only apply when the president is white).
- "Townhall", a site created to be another front-group for the white supremacist "Heritage Foundation", with an article by Beth Baumann, who... well... one look at her twitter feed says yeah, she's white supremacist slime.
Genetic Fallacy [wikipedia.org]. Maybe everything you said about those people is true, making them complete pieces of shit. That doesn't mean they are wrong about the topics of which they are speaking in those articles. Instead of trying to discredit with ad hominems, your "rebuttal" would come across as more credible if you'd focus on what they are saying and explain why they are incorrect. Otherwise it makes it look like you have no rebuttal and are resorting to character attacks because you have nothing else.
As for Town Hall - I'd never heard of the site before and just had a look at the articles posted to their main page. They are clearly partisan and right-wing, but I don't see anything overtly racist or bigoted. I also Googled Beth Beaumann and looked at her Twitter profile myself. I had never heard of her either. Again, lots of right wing partisan talking points, but I don't see anything that indicates white supremacist views. Do you not have anything of substance to rebut with ?
- The Daily Fail, a website of such little repute that we don't need to go any further
The Daily Mail is a mainstream news organization, making your statement similar to Trump supporters calling CNN the "Fake News Network" as a way of dismissing the article's content without having to actually, you know, talk about the article's content. Again, explain why it's wrong or look just as partisan and unhinged as your opposition's most radical echo-chambered members.
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What I really want to know is , does onyxruby actually believe that stuff, or is just a very bad troll ?
The completely divorced from reality right-wing trolls on slashdot are pretty common, but do they actually believe that stuff ?
I figure a lot of them must, or Trump wouldn't have been elected. The truest thing anyone has ever said is that Trump isn't the disease, he's a symptom.
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Facebook's rules are only for use against conservatives and never against liberals.
The logical conclusion is: there was no reason to censor against liberals.
And as you have no liberal party anyway ... what is your point?
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It always amuses me that you crackpots who claim to be "conservative" are out screaming for more government control and censorship of private companies like Twitter and Facebook. Meanwhile, the left wing retards are also screeching that they hate them too. So if two diametrically opposed groups both hate someone, what does that even mean?
What is your endgame? Do you have some delusion that ending CDA230 protections will somehow make the media companies go "oh, OK, we'll let this fucking QAnon nonsense prosp
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The reality is that conservatives don't riot and everyone knows it.
It's reasonable for you to focus on riots, since the headline talked about "civil unrest". But I think it's worth adding that domestic terrorism is more of a far-right phenomenon in the US than far-left - https://www.csis.org/analysis/... [csis.org]
I think I'm more concerned about the threat domestic terrorism after the elections, than I am about protest marches and riots. (I'm sure it's reasonable for others, maybe yourself included, to be more concerned about riots than about terrorism).
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Conservatives don't need to riot, they have the police doing it for them.
Getting out the vote helps Democrats? No problem, the police will be happy to pepper spray the protestors for you, no need to take to the streets to fight democracy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
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There is nothing what americans fear more than: democracy.
Otherwise they would not have "gerrymendering" of voting districts.
Had a multy party system like basically everyone in the world.
Would not depose democratic voted ledears with their CIA or murder them.
Would vote for the president directly, like in France, instead of the 200 year old "electorate" system, which makes no sense in our times.
Changing voting offices so the poor can not reach them.
Changing the letter voting rules, so people living outside o
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Seriously, if anything like that would happen anywhere in Europe, the palace and the home of the ruler would burn!
America is in the same situation ATM as Germany in 1933. Sad!
A country where your vote counts naught.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....thanks I needed that. Your complete lack of perspective and proportion is a constant source of comedy for me.
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you can kick out a PM pretty much anytime you like or as often as you like
No, we can't. The "PM" is elected by the parliament.
And we have a voting system where you can have as many parties as you want.
And that is what the US should go for, too.
Or take the french system:
President elected directly by the people, his party does not even matter.
Parliament elected by proportional voting.
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Obamacare is tyrannical, and has never been affordable. Obama was opposed to same sex marriage, until he saw it as popular, and then he supported it.
The idea that Trump will "take away bodily autonomy from women" is a paranoid fantasy.
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That's a bit of a simplistic view.
Imagine this situation:
CNN: Trump falsely declares election victory.
BBC:: Trump announces premature victory
NBC: Trump declares victory with many votes still to count
NYT: Harris wins election
Facebook friends: Trump's won!
Facebook adverts: Trump wins election!
Facebook friends that will disown you when they found out how you voted: Omigodthisissoterriblehowcanyoudothistous.
Facebook adverts: Biden has taken Florida and once all the mail-in votes have been written^H^H^H^H^H^Hcou