Trump Administration Claims Facebook Improperly Reserved Jobs for H-1B Workers (wsj.com) 123
The Trump administration has sued Facebook, accusing the social-media company of illegally reserving high-paying jobs for immigrant workers it was sponsoring for permanent residence, rather than searching adequately for available U.S. workers who could fill the positions. From a report: In a 17-page complaint filed Thursday, the Justice Department's civil-rights division said Facebook inadequately advertised at least 2,600 positions between 2018 and 2019 that were filled by immigrants on H-1B high-skill visas when the company was applying to sponsor those workers for permanent residency, known as green cards. Companies sponsoring workers for employment-based green cards are required to show as part of the federal application process that they couldn't find any qualified American workers to fill the job. The suit said Facebook didn't advertise the reserved positions on its website and required candidates to mail in their applications rather than accepting them online. "And even when U.S. workers do apply, Facebook will not consider them for the advertised positions," the suit alleges. "Simply put, Facebook reserves these positions for temporary visa holders."
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I don't disagree, but the entire IT industry has been running this scam for decades.
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I don't disagree, but the entire IT industry has been running this scam for decades.
Yep. I can offer first hand experience. Some months ago I was laid off from a Fortune 500 company. Don't worry - I am doing fine. I'm not going to name my former employer but I will say that they do most of their business in the USA and Canada. By the time I was laid off, my organization had hired exactly one new employee this year. You guessed it - he was an H-1B guy from India. Where I worked, I did internal support on a product that we sold in the USA and Canada and it was, I believe, all written in Java, so you can imagine how "difficult" it is to find coders in the USA who can write Java code. So what my company did is they wrote the job specs so specific for the job that nobody but this guy could meet them. They required the applicant to have a background in chip design and all kinds of crap that he did master's level work on, but none of which is relevant to writing Java code. So they did post the job but - surprise surprise - the only applicant who fully met the "requirements", almost none of which will actually apply to banging out Java code, were by this one guy who by pure coincidence happened to live in India.
I will say that there was tremendous discrimination in my organization against non-Asians, which is a big part of why they let me and others go. I would guess that after I left that in an entire organization of 100+ employees that fully over half were born in India and less than 20 were American born people of whatever race. And don't get me started about black people there. I think after I left they had a grand total of 1. It's not like they made any effort to find black people to hire, but by hiring all the Indians they can, they can depress wages and save money. And I had to go FIVE managers above my position to hit a manager who wasn't born in India. And that guy reported to our CEO. By the way, I want to be clear that I'm not black, but I just said that about black people to show that my former employer really only cared about hiring Asians and that meant 80% from India and 20% from China and nobody else from anywhere else needed to apply.
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He did say fortune 500 company. For very large organizations something like the following is common: CEO -> COO/CFO/CIO/etc -> SVP -> VP -> Sr. Director -> Director -> Sr Manager -> Manager -> Team Lead -> Individual Contributor. So someone could be in a manager of managers and still have 6 levels of management between them and the CEO.
If like me you think about 6 direct reports is an ideal maximum number of direct reports, with 3-4 being average, a company with 3.5 average direct reports per manager with the hierarchy listed above would have about 80,000 total employees. The average fortune 500 company has 57,400 people working for them worldwide.
The GP said he did internal support, which was likely a team lead position at best. Even something like CEO -> CIO -> SVP -> VP -> Director -> Manager -> Internal Support Guy would give 5 levels of management above him.
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I had to go look. I've got four between me and the CEO. Five layers of management.
This is the least in 15 years, and a reduction of one this year, and we are actually pretty lean. You might want to think through how that works at a Fprtune 100 company, and yes, it works well. I would expect more layers at smaller companies.
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Yes, it is easy to game this system, and many companies do game the system. But 80% of such illegal activity is done by 20% of the bad actors. The immigration can ask for a job review a month or two later, ask the company to document the actual work done by the candidate and compare it to advertised job functions. If you catch them cheating, you can fine them so heavily and ban them from H1-B process, add the company to known offender list and make them jump through more hoops ... There is a lot you can do to penalize the bad actors.
Such action focusing on the cheaters will be welcomed by honest companies, honest managers and honest applicants.
Doing this requires competent and motivated public servants. After vilifying the bureaucrats for decades, civil service no longer attracts highly qualified people. Today people seeking civil service are most risk averse and they show very little initiative. Why would they, when was the last time you heard of people rallying around a competent bureaucrat doing her job diligently?
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When my patent application was reviewed by them, I was really impressed by the knowledge they demonstrated in the field. They were all generalists, in some sense. But specialists in digging up prior art and journal publications. With high powered lawyers we hire they get beaten down by sheer volume of work dumped on them. I have now more respect for patent office.
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It is illegal to tailor job requirements to the candidate. The job function must be defined first. Then the required qualifications must flow from that and be justified by job functions alone, not the qualification of any candidate or application.
Please cite the law that states it is illegal to tailor the job requirements.
While I know you cannot write a job spec that would include race, gender etc, but your statement would make 90% or more of IT job postings illegal.
Eg I have over 15 years working in IT with a few IT qualifications all in relevant technologies yet almost every job posting requires a degr
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I have also done H1B application for my team members. Very clear legal scrutiny, no job function that is tailored to the qualification of the candidates. I personally make sure that if INS/ICE comes back s
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I am a son of civil servant. I know what they can do when they want to and I know when they cover their ass and move on.
When he had f
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Did you report them? Seems like a very easy case to prove. If you don't report it they will get away with it.
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It’s not just the USA. I worked in Australia for a second tier bank. The racial divide was stark. All the low level programmers (most of whom were terrible, though not all) were Indian. I was intermediate level and one of the few non Indian folk.
But then, at the level above me and upwards, very nearly everyone was South African. White South African.
It was a bit weird.
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What is adequately searching. (Score:5, Interesting)
Is Facebook turning down American Candidates who apply, but are asking for a higher salary. Then Facebook hires h1B workers for much less?
Or are they hiring these H1B workers at the same rate as the American Candidates, but they are better qualified, or bothered to apply for the job.
Or Facebook does little outreach to American workers to show they have jobs available vs going overboard for offshoring companies.
There are a lot of qualified Americans who will not apply to Facebook.
1. It isn't work they may be interested in.
2. They disagree with Facebook morals/principals
3. Their work locations they need to relocate too isn't convenient.
4. They don't like the Culture
5. They got a good job where they are at now.
For me, these Big Tech companies no longer spur my interests. The groovy open offices, with free lunches, and a segway for every employee, isn't a good deal where you are expected to be working 12 hours a day. When I was younger and just out of college, sure that would have been more interesting. But as I got older, I want a job where I can live my life my way. Go home. Then Go to work, have my own spot to do my work. And get paid a competitive rate. I don't want my job to be a constant party. I want it to be an organized work area.
So even if I am out of work, I may not look towards going to Facebook, but towards some other company first. So Facebook will probably have a problem finding qualified workers even when they are a lot of people looking to fill such a job. Because they are either not qualified or they just don't want to try Facebook.
Re:What is adequately searching. (Score:5, Interesting)
Strongly agree on this point. Working on a Big Tech campus isn't for everyone. You're most likely to be comfortable working on a tech campus if living on a literal campus is the only life to which you've been exposed.
I had a friend who worked for Google awhile. While he was there, he would occasionally brag about how much time, money, and effort he saved by eating three meals a day at work. He said eating dinner at the office was especially advantageous, because he was better off staying there until 8pm or so, when the commuter traffic had died down. He seemed to think he was being pampered. I pointed out that many people wouldn't see it that way. He responded that he could get his dry cleaning done without leaving the office, too.
He had a great point (Score:3)
He said eating dinner at the office was especially advantageous, because he was better off staying there until 8pm or so
If you have done any number of hour+ commutes, you can easily underhand why this is so desirable.
It's not like you HAVE to work while you are at work eating dinner. You can read or handle bills or do other things. Also that many free meals over time saves you a TON of money (which being in California was probably all sucked away by rent sadly).
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I'd rather eat my own food, work from my home office, and not commute at all.
Hey look, I'm keeping company expenses down at the same time as being more productive and having better work / life balance.
Signed,
a remote worker for the last 6 years.
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He was caught and was cowed into getting an apartment, but technically he might not have broken any rules.
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He was caught and was cowed into getting an apartment
Not having rent seems awesome, but I wonder what he did for a mailing address...
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If you search around YouTube (Score:5, Interesting)
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US government treats all Indian diplomas be same and equal to MS from CalTech. That is the root cause of the problem. If they demand all H1B grads to take GRE or something to show their competence this mess can be greatly mitigated.
For example I am from IIT, and scored 790/800 GRE Verbal, 800/800 GRE Quant, and 790/800 GRE Analysis. Placed in the top 1% of the world. (Not really bragging, this is par for the course for IIT grads, actually mentioning being IIT grad itself is considered bragging in Indian circles.) Someone from St Mary of Velankanni Engineering College, Sometown, Some State, India would be considered exactly equally qualified as I am in the eyes of ICE. No wonder the system is a mess.
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As a counter example. I'm American and FB reached out to me for a "Physical Modeling" position on LinkedIn.
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I would not work for Facebook for the reason you mention, but that story of Facebook not wanting to hire Americans is ridiculous and looks like a petty revenge from Trump.
Recruiting competent people in silicon valley is hard, so if there were competent Americans available they would already have hired them. And they're not trying to save money recruiting "cheap" H1B workers like some others companies elsewhere in the US; Facebook pays very well and H1B actually cost them more due to the attorney fees for t
Why is the Exec branch using the Judicial branch? (Score:1)
Re:Why is the Exec branch using the Judicial branc (Score:5, Informative)
What I want to know is why the US Executive branch is going through the Judicial branch for enforcement? Seems really odd. Maybe it's because the law has no teeth (I really don't know) for them to fine the company, or otherwise stop them from braking the law.
Despite it's name, the Justice Department is part of the Executive Branch, not the Judicial. It is essentially the enforcement arm of the Executive. The Judicial branch more specifically corresponds to courts such as the Supreme Court and federal level courts.
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As the other said, it's the Judicial enforcement arm of the Executive. Basically the Executive's lawyers (note not equal to the "President's" lawyers). They need to go to the Judicial Branch to plead their case just like everyone else. I miss the times when this stuff wasn't so political... you didn't hear about 19/20 cases because it was just standard ops.
I doubt this will get anywhere. The HR processes around H1B offerings has been pretty standard for atleast 20 years. Even midsize companies know how
America First? I guess not. Let's all get COVID! (Score:1)
There's record setting unemployment in the USA. We know that COVID-19 and other contagious illnesses came to the USA from legal and illegal immigration. We know that many technology jobs are being moved to distance work. Why in the hell are there people being imported to work in the USA?
If the people come here only to work from home because of COVID-19 concerns then it would seem logical to assume that they can do this work where they are now. If there's high unemployment in the USA then there's a pool
I'm not sure I understand (Score:4, Interesting)
According to the TFS, Facebook is hiring H1-B workers that it has sponsored for permanent residency. The complaint argues that Facebook is reserving positions for people with temporary visas. But it seems to me that's how it works. Until your permanent residency status is granted, your visa is ... what's the word I'm looking for?
Is the argument that companies should not be allowed to sponsor workers for green cards, even though there is almost no other way to get one? (Knowing Trump, that's probably exactly what the argument is.)
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The summary is misleading and badly written.
It's when companies apply for LCA in support of a Green Card application that they must advertise. Companies typically sponsor employees for Green Cards that are already H1-B visa holders. They could also be L1 visa holders.
This has almost nothing to do with H1-B visas. It's entirely related to Green Card applications.
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I was ready to give Trump credit for doing something I liked, but now that is tempered by the motivating xenophobia.
If he isn't busy making license plates, I hope he spends his post-Presidency doing good works.
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Xenophobes are of course well known to marry immigrants.
Just as anti-Semites are known to have Jewish daughters and hire the daughter's Jewish husband as an advisor.
Trump fails so much that he's not even a good xenophobe and anti-Semite. He even fails at being an alcoholic.
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You do realize that the government sued the Trump housing company for racial discrimination and won, don't you?
And you must know that he insisted that the "Central Park Jogger" suspect were guilty, even after they had been proven innocent. https://www.politifact.com/fac... [politifact.com]
And his cousin has heard him make racist comments. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news... [msn.com] And nevermind the alleged Apprentice outtakes (unless you're willing to believe hearsay--something tells me you're not).
I think Trump is a shitstain o
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You do realize that the government sued the Trump housing company for racial discrimination and won, don't you?
You do realize that it is highly unlikely that Trump made all these alleged racist decisions himself, don't you? There's a distinction between Trump the corporation and Trump the person. Trump the person was not sued, and you stated that yourself, it was his housing company. Maybe he had some racist people working at the company. This doesn't negate the fact that he has appointed minorities to very high positions in the federal government as POTUS, that he does business with minorities regularly, and De
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What's you're seeing ... is white suburban people who are insecure about whether or not they're racist douchebags or not. They try to make themselves feel good about themselves by projecting their insecurities on people who aren't racist douchebags.
Quoting myself from elsewhere, you are the person I am describing.
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The chances of him spending his post-Presidency doing good works is vanishingly small. He's going to spend that time shitposting on Twitter and bleating on about how this election was stolen until he drops dead. And, unsurprisingly, some super right-wing media conglomerate will probably pay him to do that bleating in front of a microphone or camera, so it will be harder to ignore than just not following his shitposting on Twitter.
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So, just like Al Gore, Hillary Clinton and Stacy Abrams then?
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Gore managed to get over it and moved on to make powerpoint presentations about ecological disaster.
Can't say the other two did.
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Where do you get that it was motivated by xenophobia? Do you have any proof of that, or just claims of it?
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The Trump administration has done a lot to make legal immigration more difficult. (For example https://www.forbes.com/sites/s... [forbes.com] ; see also "shithole countries," etc.)
This action makes legal immigration more difficult in that it seems to pull the rug out from under people working for American companies
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This isn't about H1-B applications. It's about people already on a visa in the USA who are being sponsored for a Green Card.
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According to the TFS, Facebook is hiring H1-B workers that it has sponsored for permanent residency. The complaint argues that Facebook is reserving positions for people with temporary visas. But it seems to me that's how it works. Until your permanent residency status is granted, your visa is ... what's the word I'm looking for?
Is that word "indefinite"?
H1B visas can be granted for as long as 10 years. I don't know how long they are typically granted for but I recall seeing that people have had them renewed annually and repeatedly in one year increments. People that fail to have the visa renewed may have to leave the country for a year before re-applying under H1B. I do not know if there's an option to apply for some other kind of visa instead of leaving. Applying for citizenship or permanent resident status while working in t
Affirmative action (Score:2)
You can't be against affirmative action and still subscribe to the notion that a company should not be allowed to bias its hiring towards a certain group of people.
You are basically affirming the idea that a certain group of people have more rights to a job due to their circumstances even though it may be more expensive to a company.
Of course you are currently biased to assume your own circumstances are more worthy than another's.
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AA, would that not limit the number of people from Asia that could work for a company or government agency, which includes India?
AA is not the removal of a bias, explicit or implicit, but instead forces using a person's identified race or gender in the hiring or promotion process to "right a wrong" or "level the field". If you do not have enough of race/gender X to match the corresponding % of population, then you have to hire race/gender X. In the 80s at least, qualifications were adjusted, creating new
While expanding the H1B program... (Score:2)
This is NOT about H1b (Score:2)
Basically, once you have an engineer working on H1b, in order to get a GC a company has to craft job requirements that exactly match their resume. Then company posts these requirements to a governmental website and wait for some time. After a certain period of time the government concludes that there are no qualified candidates and allows the GC application to go through.
The issue is that if somebody does a
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The issue is that if somebody does apply to this position then the GC process can get stalled for months.
No, the issue is that some people think that the process getting stalled for months is a problem.
Its not a problem. Its what is supposed to happen.
Thats not good enough for the applicant or his employer, but thats not our problem its theirs.
We should go back, find where these targeted-over-requirements occurred, kick the applicants who benefited out of the country permanently, and fine the companies 10x the salary that these applicants had been paid since the applications arrival. That would be a pre
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No, the issue is that some people think that the process getting stalled for months is a problem. Its not a problem. Its what is supposed to happen.
People already have to wait for YEARS to get a GC. No, it's not remotely fair for applicants. The whole GC system should be just thrown away and replaced with a merit-based immigration system that doesn't require employer sponsorship whatsoever.
We should go back, find where these targeted-over-requirements occurred, kick the applicants who benefited out of the country permanently, and fine the companies 10x the salary that these applicants had been paid since the applications arrival. That would be a pretty solid financial deterrent, where you gotta get away with it at least 10 times for every failure. The practice would end overnight.
And then Facebook and Google would end overnight. Along with the rest of the US IT industry. No, this is not an exaggeration since nobody would want to deal with such a rabid country.
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People already have to wait for YEARS to get a GC.
No, it's not remotely fair for applicants.
Facts not in evidence. Something being disagreeable to you is not the same as unfair and trying to assert that is the same (what you essentially just did) is fucking disgusting dishonesty. You are a fucking disgusting fucking liar. No point talking to you about anything unless I want to be lied to about shit because of your feelings about shit.
And then Facebook and Google would end overnight.
yeah... no... making up the stupidest fucking thing possible is also not a good lying strategy, you fucking disgusting dishonest fuck.
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Facts not in evidence. Something being disagreeable to you is not the same as unfair and trying to assert that is the same (what you essentially just did) is fucking disgusting dishonesty. You are a fucking disgusting fucking liar. No point talking to you about anything unless I want to be lied to about shit because of your feelings about shit.
Ah, I see. You failed interview at Facebook and you are now flipping burgers?
yeah... no... making up the stupidest fucking thing possible is also not a good lying strategy, you fucking disgusting dishonest fuck.
Ah, entitled Karen detected. Dear Karen, the US owes most of its successes to immigrants. Starting from the moon program (von Braun) and ending with SpaceX Moon program (Musk is an immigrant).
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It happens all the time... (Score:5, Interesting)
I once worked for a smallish company that had a lot of H1-B employees ... noticed a very strange job application posted for the company and asked our head of HR about it. As a tech employee I recognized all the qualifications listed ... but the combination of them was baffling. It would have been like looking for an expert skydiving fisherman with specific focus on plumbing. Our head of HR immediately backpeddled into a defensive stance saying that he only advertised what he was asked to advertise ... so he clearly knew it was BS.
Companies advertise openings because they are required to. It doesn't mean the advertisement has to make sense ... if they already have their guy hand-picked, then its a done deal. Shady, but done. I suspected for years that there were kickbacks rolling upstream from the hires somewhere along the way ...
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If enough of you stood up, or even filed an anonymous tip to INS then or ICE now, we could have nipped the problem in the bud. Filing an anonymous tip to INS was too much to ask? Then you complain here in Slashdot, where it helps no one.
I have been on all sides of this issue. I came in with F1, US univ, switchted to H1B when I got the job. Then green card and then got citizenship as soon as I can so that I can vote that sw
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they already have their guy hand-picked, then its a done deal. Shady, but done.
It's honestly not even that shady in the case under discussion (once you get past the confusing way the summary is written). A company has an H-1B employee, been working for them for years, and wants to sponsor them for a green card to give them some stability. The company has to advertise the position. Okay, what they're really looking for is the guy who's been doing this exact job for years, because he has all the context -- knows the code, knows the people, knows the business, whatever. There's literally
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Companies also do this for roles where they've identified an internal applicant they want to give the role to but they have to entertain outside candidates for compliance reasons. Nothing evil there, except maybe getting some poor jobless soul's hopes up in applying for a position that wasn't really open.
This is a lot less common in recent decades, but companies used to advertise roles that weren't really open just so they could collect résumés. Largely this was so they could gauge the available
Conflict! (Score:3)
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Well, he has no loyalty to tech workers at Facebook, Google, or Twitter, for obvious reasons. Maybe some of you should consider working at Parler?
Establishment loves slavery. (Score:1)
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Poorly written article just playing a blame game. (Score:2)
The lawsuit contends that Facebook failed to properly advertise at least 2,600 jobs — and consider applications from U.S. citizens — before it offered the spots to foreign workers whom the tech giant was sponsoring for green cards granting permanent residence.
The way it typically works is that the employee is already in the country doing a job, and the employer sponsors that employee for permanent residency. They advertise the job the employee is doing as a part of a Labor Certification process (i.e. proving they couldn't find someone locally who was qualified). They also need to show the wages the company is paying the employee is fair. Companies like FB don't pay people lower just because of their residency status (I'v
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> American jobs should be available for everyone!
Let me know where you work and what you do, and as a foreigner, Iâ(TM)ll submit my resume to your RH and have them kick you out of your position. After all, American jobs should be available for everyone and you seem not to care much about yours.
ok 70K 80 hours an week must be in bay area office (Score:2)
ok 70K/year for 60-80 hours an week must be in bay area office
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Trump improperly reserves jobs for H-2B workers. He gives no fucks about abuse of these programs.
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he had to hand over control of his companies to someone else to take the oath of office.
Well, he clearly didn't in actuality. I doubt he even did it on paper.
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Indeed, clearly. Or not. Could you show this is clear? If Trump wanted this hotels to hire overseas then why did he close off the H2B visa program? Oh, right, because he's racist. He hired from overseas because he wants to "screw the little guy" but then stops this because he's a racist.
Some of you Trump haters are real pieces of work. The twists of logic some of you go through to justify hating the guy is often dizzying. These people must be Sicilian for having such a dizzying intellect.
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How? The H2B visa program was closed last May over COVID concerns.
Temporarily. But right before that happened, the number of seasonal worker visas was increased by 35,000 [cnn.com].
Since he's been in the White House he's had no authority on who gets hired at Trump properties, he had to hand over control of his companies to someone else to take the oath of office.
No [reuters.com], no [forbes.com], and also no [usatoday.com].
Seriously, you are wrong about everything. How do you do it?
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Except he transferred to his kids, so he clearly does still have influence.
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American jobs should be available for everyone!
You were modded down but... that's pretty much the official position of the DNC (and that fat GOP toad, Mike-whatever-the-fuck's-his-face but I digress).
It's the position of anyone who believes in capitalism, free markets and human dignity. It frankly amazes me that the DNC holds that position, but I guess even a stopped clock...
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And high pay is relative. If a college graduate in the US want $150k and a Eastern European will do it for $100k, under current rul
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This is the real question. What is adequately searching for local workers. For the 2019 season Mar-a-lago hired about 80 H2b foreign workers. I understand meat packing and field work, there are limited US residents who will do such horrible work. But for making beds, it seems it is simply a matter of pay and managing workloads. The unemployment rate in Florida was close to 4%.
And high pay is relative. If a college graduate in the US want $150k and a Eastern European will do it for $100k, under current rules that is an obvious choice.
From the article:
Regulators have frequently caught employers discriminating against American applicants, forcing them to pass grueling physical or academic tests that foreign workers do not have to take, advertising for jobs in newspapers hundreds or thousands of miles from the worksite in order to reduce the chance that anyone will apply, and posting stiffer educational and experience requirements than the job actually requires.
The Trump properties’ US job postings required three or six months’ prior relevant work experience, as well as that the candidate have “no visible tattoos or piercings.” Applicants, who are asked to commit to temporary jobs months in advance, are also asked to “be available to work split-shifts, nights, weekends & holidays” for shifts that could start as early as 7 a.m. or as late as 11 p.m., “7 days per week.”
While it doesn't appear that the first paragraph applies to Mar a Lago, they are essentially placing ads that very few people would actually apply for.
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Reminds me of job ads a long time ago for CEBAF (Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility) now known as Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility [wikipedia.org] or, simply, Jefferson Labs in Newport News, VA where they would list a huge number of required skills / experience that almost no one could actually have -- would have been simpler to say, "Must be able to divide by zero." Perhaps they were wanting to hire a specific person and tailored the ad for them...
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Not exactly the same visa situation, but there are some levels of genius [bbc.com] you just won't be able to find locally, no matter how close you try to get [youtu.be].
Stop the COVID (Re:They should know) (Score:1)
The fine article you linked to discusses H2B visas, these are non-immigrant visas for seasonal work. Trump is complaining about visas being issued for immigrants and you bring up non-immigrant visas. Oh, and there's been a new development since Trump's hiring of seasonal workers in 2018 and 2019. There's a pandemic going on right now, haven't you heard? It's been spread by people from other nations, immigrants in fact. There's also been record setting unemployment in the USA lately.
Did I mention the pa
Re: Stop the COVID (Re:They should know) (Score:2)
The Mar a lago positions were for cooks and housecleaning and included, among other requirements, an English language requirement, not foreign languages.
Re: Stop the COVID (Re:They should know) (Score:1)
Turn back, USA is dangerous! (Re:So what?) (Score:1, Insightful)
The most needy human, who offers the best deal, got the job.
Who needs the job more? Which would reduce the most suffering in the world?
Reducing the most suffering in the world is to keep people out of the USA.
I hear that in the USA there are people that carry concealed firearms. What kind of place is that where people see a need to go out in public armed to the teeth?
I hear that in the USA people get shot by police for having the wrong shade of skin. Racist cops shoot black and brown people all the time. The people that survive are arrested and locked up by racist courts.
I hear in the USA that children of immigrants are kept in cages.