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China Jails Citizen Journalist for Wuhan Reports (bbc.com) 211

A Chinese citizen journalist who covered Wuhan's coronavirus outbreak has been jailed for four years. From a report: Zhang Zhan was found guilty of "picking quarrels and provoking trouble", a frequent charge against activists. The 37-year-old former lawyer was detained in May, and has been on hunger strike for several months. Her lawyers say she is in poor health. Ms Zhang is one of several citizen journalists who have run into trouble for reporting on Wuhan. There is no free media in China and authorities are known to clamp down on activists or whistleblowers seen as undermining the government's response to the outbreak.
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China Jails Citizen Journalist for Wuhan Reports

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  • What's worrying (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hcs_$reboot ( 1536101 ) on Monday December 28, 2020 @09:48AM (#60872076)
    is that they do it openly.
    • Re:What's worrying (Score:5, Insightful)

      by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Monday December 28, 2020 @10:10AM (#60872140)
      Thank goodness USA never jails whistle-blowers. Oh wait...
      • Re:What's worrying (Score:4, Insightful)

        by physicsphairy ( 720718 ) on Monday December 28, 2020 @10:03PM (#60874008)

        Thank goodness USA never jails whistle-blowers. Oh wait...

        If you read the CCP's propaganda from their spokespersons on twitter, you'll find this is perfectly line with what they say. The immediate implication of "Everyone's just as guilty" is "so really, it's not practical to do anything about it, and no one is justified in calling anyone else out on it." Which is an attitude of inaction the most culpable parties - who host no intentions of reform - are more than happy to see widely adopted.

        The simple fact is that if China caught up to the US on human rights - and the US made no progress at all - that would still represent astounding progress for freedom and liberty. China's present practice of rounding up anyone who says anything that is remotely dissimilar to the official line not something that exists at all (except perhaps in the a vaguely corrupt periphery) in the US. The US press's coverage of the US administration the last four years has been almost uniformly critical, and I'm not aware of any reporter or blogger who has been sent to prison because of it. The US is absolutely in a position to criticize China for how they treat their citizens, and we should be outspoken in doing so.

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        You know what would have got her in the biggest trouble, contacts with foreign agents, the government destabilising kind. They probably let the citizen journalist run around for months as bait and tracked all those who contacted them. When foreign agents were exposed, that would have made the citizen journalist look extremely bad in the eyes of the court, it would not be exposed for national security reasons but the unlucky victim of foreign government games would face the penalty of those foreign governmen

    • Re:What's worrying (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Ritz_Just_Ritz ( 883997 ) on Monday December 28, 2020 @10:34AM (#60872228)

      Why wouldn't they do it openly? The whole point of the exercise is to suppress dissent and maintain power.

      Loosely translated: Kill a chicken to keep the monkeys in line.

      One needn't look that far back into Chinese history to see how this plays out. If the communist party loses their grip on power, their heads will be on sticks and their wealth will be confiscated (only to repeat the cycle again). So they are going to go down swinging. In the interim, they're spiriting their ill gotten riches overseas at an astonishing rate.

    • No, that is primitive technology.

      We surpassed that a long time ago, here.
      Our propagsna is so advanced, we indeed do not make people do what we want. We make them *want* what we want.

      Example: Notice how it's "not censorship" if a private entity does it? No need to kill the first amendment, if you get attacked by the average person for criticizing e.g. YouTube's "moderation" (which is in lockstep with the will of the dear leaders).

      We can even have opposition parties and third parties, because everybody believ

      • Bingo. American society claims China brainwashes, uses propaganda, and utilizes censorship all while ignoring any self-reflection of these matters. In every sense of the way these are alive in our culture and yet the difference is how well they are hidden. I think most of Europe is a bit more educated but not completely sure...

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    • is that they do it openly.

      This is usually a sign that they don't know what they're doing. Those who know they're doing something bad try to do it in secrecy in order to keep doing it. So there is still hope that China learns and eventually stops with it.

      • by GoTeam ( 5042081 )
        That is a good point I hadn't thought of. I was going with the view that China wants to make an example of dissenters and don't give a damn what people in other countries think. I'm really hoping your description is more accurate.
        • It's both actually. People like to attack China as an Authoritian government. Chinese generally believe this is the role of government, to be like a parent. In a big family, a child that mocks its parents is likely to be made an example of, and siblings may likely appreciate this outcome (saying the person deserved it). Chinese culture really doesn't know any better but likewise the question exists if China allowed more squeaky wheels, would the whole system fall apart... Chinese people do the best at bei

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    • Would have been a much better FP, but as things stand, about 1/4 way down the AC-FP-derailed discussion.

      However I would have to disagree with you on the merits. The whole point of self-censorship is to do it in public to create the appropriate climate of fear. In the US it's less the government than the rich bastards with lawyers. At least most of the time they just get financially destroyed rather than imprisoned.

  • by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Monday December 28, 2020 @09:54AM (#60872096)
    China must have known about it 3 years before he did it. That's some scary shit.
  • China follows US (Score:4, Insightful)

    by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) * on Monday December 28, 2020 @09:59AM (#60872102) Homepage Journal

    Imagine being a publisher who reveals war crimes and being subject to torture, solitary confinement in an unheated cell, and facing trial for life imprisonment. China? No, that's the current state of adversarial journalism [freeassange.net] in the US.

    Here's 75 minutes of Assange trying to do harm reduction with Clinton's State Department, only for them to sweep it under the rug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

    Careful about throwing stones there, bucko.

    • by thrasher thetic ( 4566717 ) on Monday December 28, 2020 @10:21AM (#60872178)
      Don't dislocate anything by stretching like that, bucko.
    • The differences between China and the US are very large. One of them is they are authoritarian and therefore they can be much more honest or at least much more crude when they lie. They are very much concerned by the US stirring up things and when they see people running around selling subversive stories they intervene in authoritarian manner.
      Our system is 'managed democracy': the system organically uses extensive propaganda to arrange for everyone to despise someone like Assange so it doesn't bother them i

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      I was going to mention the recent events in Florida too. Another journalist subjected to an armed raid and malicious prosecution.

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    • by vakuona ( 788200 )

      I think one can be critical of the US and other western countries, but it is a false equivalence to equate publicising officially secret information with just reporting facts one can observe on the ground in real life.

      For the avoidance of doubt, I am not supporting whether or not the information that Assange revealed should have been secret here - it very likely should not have been. But there is a reason the whole Wikileaks was more than a bit cloak and dagger.

  • by DeplorableCodeMonkey ( 4828467 ) on Monday December 28, 2020 @10:02AM (#60872108)

    In case you were wondering why China is accused of making this in a lab one way or another, this is an example of why.

    - Totalitarian state.
    - Currently wiping its ass with human rights standards via running concentration camps for "bad" ethnic minorities.
    - Known aggressor across the world via industrial espionage.
    - Terrorizes citizens who question the almighty state.
    - Known by major states to have lied about what it knew and when it knew it about this.

    But sure, it would completely out of character for such a "very responsible regime" to be playing God with viruses in a lab that is down wind of a meat market, even if the goal was to just understand the virus and not create a bioweapon. Clearly, it was all the fucking Pangolin's fault.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      Clearly, it was all the fucking Pangolin's fault.

      It's the Pangolin's fault that it tastes so good!

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      The only thing speaking against the bioweapon theory is the virus itself. It is not nearly dangerous enough to be used as a weapon. For a virus to be used as a weapon, you want one that kills the vast majority of victims almost instantly. Preferably so fast that the victims are dead before they can spread the virus further than the wielder intended.

      Don't get me wrong, I do not want to downplay the effects of the corona virus, but anyone who would would want to make a bioweapon would base his efforts on some

      • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Monday December 28, 2020 @10:41AM (#60872260) Homepage Journal

        The only thing speaking against the bioweapon theory is the virus itself. It is not nearly dangerous enough to be used as a weapon.

        It's not just that, it's been analyzed and has none of the hallmarks of a virus which has been modified to be more hazardous.

        On the other hand, it could definitely have been a virus they were studying in a lab and which got out. It hardly matters if they were planning to develop defenses against it or weaponize it if this is what happened; either way China would be definitively responsible for its release.

        On the gripping hand, either way the response is the same. Nobody is going to do anything to bring China to heel because it's way too late for that.

        • not a lab. It's pretty well known the wet markets were going to cause a pandemic soon. But they're important to China as a way of rural folk to earn money and drive their economy, which is important to keep the country's push for modernizing going and to keep the populace docile. China's a powder keg held together by a rapidly growing economy and modernization. If that slows it's liable to go all "waring states".

          So China's trying to keep too many questions about the wet markets from being asked. Because
        • is literally the CCP's biggest propaganda push. They want you to roll over and take it by pretending they're just too big, powerful and important (oh and benevolent, *cough*).

          It's exactly what they've been saying about the trade war and decoupling from the US economy, as just an example. It's not true, they need us and the EU and other western nations a hell of a lot more than we need them.

          • Tell me which nation isn't too greedy to stop doing business with China over mere abuses of human rights. It's just too profitable to let them crank out our tchotchkes.

        • It's not just that, it's been analyzed and has none of the hallmarks of a virus which has been modified to be more hazardous.

          What hallmarks are those?

          • elefino. I could go look them up but what I do know is that that's what the experts say. If you think otherwise, hit me with some knowledge, Jack. I'm ready to receive your wisdom.

            • ok, now you motivated me to do a more diligent search. This is the best I could come up with [nature.com]. Their points seem to be two-fold:

              1) The binding protein isn't the most efficient possible construction, theoretically a protein could be constructed that would bind better to the ACE2 receptor.

              2) It would have been easier to build on previously published virus backbones, rather than try to modify a new one.

              Because of those two points, they conclude that the virus was naturally evolved, rather than designed (or modd

      • by DeplorableCodeMonkey ( 4828467 ) on Monday December 28, 2020 @11:11AM (#60872374)

        The only thing speaking against the bioweapon theory is the virus itself. It is not nearly dangerous enough to be used as a weapon.

        COVID-19 is the perfect modern bioweapon because it has the ability to incapacitate a national economy while not killing enough people to be considered a true WMD. If it were highly lethal, under international norms it would be considered a justifiable basis to retaliate with nuclear weapons. China is absolutely fucked in such a conflict because they have enough nukes to make life hell for the US and Russia, but not enough to bring either country down. We, on the other hand, will destroy them utterly in such an exchange.

        • you don't seem to realize you have a ruling class, one that has been largely unaffected by the pandemic. Hell, they've made out like bandits, increasing their wealth. And none of them have died or even gotten seriously ill. The level of care they have access to and safety precautions they can take ensured that.

          Go look up an incident between India and Pakistan from a few years ago. A bunch of Pakistani terrorists attacked a major building in India and Pakistan knew it was gonna happen and didn't tell Ind
    • Yes, agreed, mostly.

      On another note ... hate to tell you, but what do you think Guantanamo Bay is? (It's just one of many black sites globally, by the way. Just Poland's former state leader if he thinks they are any different ftom concentration camps.
      So, high horse, meet ground.

    • -Deflects blame away from the current administration's and his Party's failure (who is in charge thanks to controlling the Senate) to address the pandemic.

      The problem is that because China has such a horrible government it's easy to tar them with a brush because, well, they deserve it.

      Police have been known to tack charges onto a criminal already looking at life in prison just so they can close out some cases. That's not actually justice though, it's convenience.
    • It's easy to accuse. But there are multiple examples of coronaviruses mutating in the wild and jumping to humans - SARS, MERS, and I think a couple others. In the absence of any evidence, the only reason to believe it came from a lab would be a thirst for conspiracy-theroy mental masturbation. People have needs, I guess. And politicians in the US have a need to maintain a boogeyman and push blame on them. Much more than the Chinese need a piss-poor bioweapon made out of coronavirus.

  • by indytx ( 825419 ) on Monday December 28, 2020 @10:10AM (#60872138)

    According to the article, she's being fed with a feeding tube and restrained to a table. How long before her body gives out? It's depressingly interesting that economic prosperity has pushed China further toward being a fascist police state. There's apparently a real, bitter cynicism at most levels of the Chinese government. Maybe this is all a result of China's never having participated in the Enlightenment and the lack of any political agency for the Chinese people. Or maybe the Chinese government has just bought off the middle class since it effectively created its middle class. Either way, losing four years of your life for something like this seems horrific to me, and it's probably MEANT to seem horrific. China really had a chance to be great before it was totally weighed down with "Xi Jinping Thought."

  • Or four years + "suicide" or + "re-integration camp"?

  • by mveloso ( 325617 ) on Monday December 28, 2020 @11:05AM (#60872342)

    The difference between China and the US?

    Most of the US would be in jail under that standard of conduct.

  • NBA Hypocrites (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nwaack ( 3482871 ) on Monday December 28, 2020 @11:59AM (#60872530)
    I just love how the administration and players of the NBA, who are supposedly so 'woke' are perfectly happy with turning a blind eye to all this stuff because of the almighty $$$. This is just another example of why the NBA, and most people who claim to be progressive, are giant hypocrites.
    • and are about as woke as Rush Limbaugh. A few of the players are pushing for the rights of African Americans because they grew up being harassed by the police for their skin color (and the less famous ones still do). That's not really "wokeness" that's "stop systemic abuse by police".

      We've been told our entire lives that Capitalism equals Freedom and if only China would get more Capitalism they'd get more Freedom. Turns out that's a lie. In fact the exact opposite is happening. Chinese Capitalists use t
  • by WierdUncle ( 6807634 ) on Monday December 28, 2020 @01:04PM (#60872746)

    There might be something lost in translation, but "picking quarrels and provoking trouble" does not sound like a major crime to me. Another standard phrase is "spreading lies and rumors". The standard CCP response to any dissenting view is to suppress it, stamp it out, and ideally, make like it never happened. The poor Chinese cannot even partake of the ancient sport of taking the piss out of politicians. I do not think it is permitted to utter the name "Winnie the Pooh" in China.

    • The 1st part of the Chinese Constitution is China is a socialist state and your cannot undermine this. The charge is effectively a way to say someone was unsermining the state which because of Chinese nationalism could lead to quarrels or other incidents... It's pretty clear to people famiiar with China but I can see how the charge seems ambiguous... it effectively kind of is...

    • It appears this 'journalist' is linked to the Network of Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) https://thegrayzone.com/2018/0... [thegrayzone.com] .
      It's a front for the US .

      • Defending human rights. Well, there you are then. This wicked woman is obviously in league with the western imperialists. Calling herself a 'journalist' is clearly a deception to conceal her subversive activities.

        By the way, is sarcasm permitted under communist rule?

        • By the way, is sarcasm permitted under communist rule?

          Who says they'd notice? Even here we don't spot it. Call it trolling instead. Everything is trolling.

  • About how they spread smallpox and should return land and pay reparations. Well, should we address more recent matters first? By jailing journalists who tried to report the pandemic, China is showing that the pandemic is at least due to malicious cover up rather than an accident. What reparations are they going to pay for hundreds of thousands of deaths and trillions of dollars of economic damage in US alone? If we take all the land owned by Chinese nationals and give it to Native American tribes, can we th

    • What reparations are they going to pay for hundreds of thousands of deaths and trillions of dollars of economic damage in US alone?

      The majority of those deaths were preventable even given China's delaying important information, especially in the US, given effective leadership.

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