NYSE Abruptly Reverses Plan To Delist Three Chinese Telecoms (bloomberg.com) 73
The New York Stock Exchange has abruptly reversed plans to delist three major Chinese telecommunications companies after consulting regulators about an investment ban ordered by President Donald Trump. From a report: Coming days before the companies were to be delisted -- and just over two weeks before Trump is to leave the White House -- the U-turn avoids a step that threatened to heighten U.S.-China tensions further. The Big Board gave no reason for its decision in a statement released during Asian hours, saying only that it had consulted "relevant regulatory authorities" about Trump's executive order, signed in November as part of his administration's push to check China's growing economic power. The move came as a surprise and sparked confusion among officials at the U.S. Treasury and State departments, and National Security Council, according to people familiar with the matter, who asked not to be identified because the conversations were confidential. The about-face, described as "bizarre" by a Jefferies Financial Group Inc. analyst, also whipsawed investors who on Monday had sold shares of the Chinese telecom companies and raced to bet on which stocks might be delisted next. China Mobile Ltd., China Telecom and China Unicom Hong Kong all rallied on Tuesday.
Ready, shoot, aim (Score:5, Funny)
Entrumpy
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It can't work if I do them in the order given.
Re:He's not leaving the White House, retard! (Score:4, Insightful)
Perhaps the rumors that Joe will be more Chinese "friendly" is already being seen by this move?
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Friendly doesn't even begin to describe Biden's position on China.
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You guys didn't even care about Jiiihna until Don make it the fashionable whipping board.
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Sounds like Biden is already having influence on the SEC, etc.
Perhaps the rumors that Joe will be more Chinese "friendly" is already being seen by this move?
More like spur of the moment actions taken by someone who doesn't know what they are doing rarely work out.
It sounds like Trump didn't bother to consult anyone knowledgeable before signing the executive order, so everyone was caught scrambling trying to figure out if it was legal and if it was legal what it actually meant.
My guess is Trump officials started leaning on the NYSE to delist on the basis of the order, so they agreed. But now the NYSE lawyers have had enough time to go through all the laws and re
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Re: He's not leaving the White House, retard! (Score:2)
Blaming the incoming president before he's even inaugurated, that's a laugh.
It's never Trump's fault, it's that other president, before, during or after his administration, they did it to him, he's the victim in all this. LOL
The end of ...? (Score:4, Funny)
This indicates the end of American populism. Or at least a pause of which.
It also proves that:
"The USA is a paper tiger" -- Chairman Mao
Re:The end of ...? (Score:4, Informative)
The Biden family is bought and paid for by the Chinese.
Classic GOP projection - accuse the other side of that which you're into up to your earballs
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/us/politics/elaine-chao-china.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/political-donors-linked-to-china-won-access-to-trump-gop-11592925569
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Slings mud at GOP, doesn't mention Swalwell. Hmpf.
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Classic GOP projection
Classic tactic, Mental One.
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only to realize that the Bad Orange Man had a point
What point? The point that orange man is suicidal? The point that kneejerk attempts at protectionism don't work in the 21st century? I see a lot of points but none that support that suddenly imposing wide tariffs on China because ... China was a good move. Even over protectionist Europe is only imposing some very specific and targeted tarifs and ones that actively protect European interests rather than attempt to destroy them.
When your own farmers and your own tech companies who you claim to be protecting u
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Your turn.
Repeat this exact link and at the very least vaguely describe its contents, and I will consider the contents of your post. Otherwise, you are literally just a Chinese shill. https://imgur.com/a/WgFrXoK [imgur.com]
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This indicates the end of American populism. Or at least a pause of which.
End? No. Pause? Maybe until tomorrow. Populism is here to stay in the US for the foreseeable future.
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The Democrat party didn't flip a single incumbent Republican House seat. The GOP flipped 12?
The Republicans won almost every election where redistricting was at stake [fivethirtyeight.com]
Trump filled court seats at a record pace with 3 on SCOTUS and if the GOP wins either Georgia senate seat then the Harris presidency is lame duck from day 1.
Sounds like the GOP and populism are doing just fine. Same for the UK.
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This sounds familiar, where have I heard it before...
Benghazi!
But her emails!
But his laptop!
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And you still misunderstand his sense of humor... And his application of it.
Oh well (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re: Oh well (Score:1)
I mean...
Begin sentences much??
Re:Oh well (Score:4, Insightful)
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It's not just the US. Reserve currencies all over are in a precarious state, and the efforts to remodel the banking systems all seem intended to divorce currency and establish something else, something more portable, virtual, and by coincidence even more malleable than the current system.
Re: Oh well (Score:2)
Wrong.
Wrong.
Sort of making my point. Good job.
And yes, this isn't news.
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Why do republicans only care about spending and the deficit when a democrat is in office? Guess you haven’t looked at the deficit under Trump...
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Not really. Whether these companies are listed in an American stock exchange or not is irrelevant. Investors who want to invest will invest regardless of where they are listed. In this case it may as well be an American middleman profiteering and applying rules for disclosure. This is good common sense.
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human suffering (forced organ harvesting, concentration camps, etc.
It also doesn't appear to be obvious to some "people" that the enumerated details are human rights crimes, some of them unilaterally enforceable under US law.
Re:Awww (Score:5, Informative)
It's so cute to see Biden's first steps as Champion of China!
Hop y'all like Social Credit!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/us/politics/elaine-chao-china.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/political-donors-linked-to-china-won-access-to-trump-gop-11592925569
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/us/politics/transportation-secretary-elaine-chao.html
Re: Awww (Score:4, Informative)
Don't forget all those trademarks Ivanka conveniently got in China as well after Trump eased up on some policies.
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Your turn.
Repeat this exact link and at the very least vaguely describe its contents, and I will consider the contents of your post. Otherwise, you are literally just a Chinese shill. https://imgur.com/a/WgFrXoK [imgur.com]
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My guess (Score:2)
My guess is that they asked their lawyers if this was OK and the lawyers said something like..
A) The president doesn't have that power. It needs
B) You will get reamed in the courts when they sue
So they walked it back.
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My guess is that they asked their lawyers if this was OK and the lawyers said something like..
A) The president doesn't have that power. It needs
B) You will get reamed in the courts when they sue
So they walked it back.
Pretty much my first thought. They got actual, good legal advice, from real attorneys, and they said the president can't legally do that. One need only look at the president's current legal advisors for this to become the obvious most simple answer. I doubt Biden had anything to do with it at all. No need for a conspiracy when simple incompetence is a reasonable explanation.
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My guess is that they asked their lawyers if this was OK and the lawyers said something like..
A) The president doesn't have that power. It needs
B) You will get reamed in the courts when they sue
So they walked it back.
Pretty much my first thought. They got actual, good legal advice, from real attorneys, and they said the president can't legally do that. One need only look at the president's current legal advisors for this to become the obvious most simple answer. I doubt Biden had anything to do with it at all. No need for a conspiracy when simple incompetence is a reasonable explanation.
And they only need to ride it out for 15 days and then the problem is gone.
This story might already be out of date (Score:3)
This story might already be out of date:
NYSE Mulls Reverting to Original Plan to Delist China Shares [bloomberg.com]
Apparently NYSE made the reversal decision on their own last night. Mnuchin (Treasury Secretary) heard about it and called the NYSE President, Stacy Cunningham, to express the administration's displeasure with the reversal.
There were multiple journalists today running their sources and couldn't get a peep out of anyone about what was going on over at NYSE. Bloomberg's story is citing "three people familiar with the matter" which makes you wonder who leaked this turn in events...
Re: This story might already be out of date (Score:2)
It was reported on Shine.cn last night which is an English version of Xinhua. Our best guess would be a tit-for-tat. The Chinese would of delisted something in retaliation and the NYSE likely wanted to protect those investments...
Wall Street just waited Trump out (Score:1)
Prepare to see much, much, MUCH more of this in the next few months. 99% of what he did or tried to do will be unwound. The military waited him out, the courts waited him out, Wall Street waited him out. On a lot of issues where he wanted something stupid to happen, the state governments waited him out.
Our system is designed like this. The president isn't a dictator. Just because the Great Orange t
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Classic. Just drag your feet until Trump's influence is on the downslope, then undo what he ordered.
And why thinking people might not want to tickle the tail of that dragon https://www.thebalance.com/u-s... [thebalance.com]
Prepare to see much, much, MUCH more of this in the next few months. 99% of what he did or tried to do will be unwound. The military waited him out, the courts waited him out, Wall Street waited him out. On a lot of issues where he wanted something stupid to happen, the state governments waited him out.
The great US experiment in allowing stupid people to run the government is over, and it failed.
Our system is designed like this. The president isn't a dictator. Just because the Great Orange tweets it, doesn't mean it was handed down from god.
I think his party, allowed him to believe he had dictatorial powers. Never dared to challenge his decisions until they overrode his defense bill veto.
There's a strong case to be made that some publicly traded Chinese companies are in fact branches of the Chinese Communist Party and should be treated as such, i.e. not given the same rights as a normal company. But that will be determined by a combination of the president, congress, the courts, regulators, the states, and experts who can weigh in on the situation.
It's a big world, not a reality show run by a person who has an amazing number of failures in business, and one huge belly flop into a tub of elephant shit fail
Re: Wall Street just waited Trump out (Score:2)
When you speak with such hyperbole you actually better China's position because so much of what you say will never happen. You should state reasonably what the likely outcomes of a world dominated by Chinese policy and by and large they have nothing to do with your political leanings or any desire to harvest your families organs. I mean honestly, your voice is simply too miniscule and it's not economically feasible to send organs to China from America.
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You understand it is possible to not be a Trumper, or Trumpist, or whatever "clever" euphemism we're using now; and still view China as a most serious threat?
Everyone is so binary, especially on the left. I have friends who are surprised when you mention you don't follow party line on issues. "Wait, you're conservative and believe in some form of univeral healthcare? That's impossible!"
I think, primarily, because the left is much more lockstep on everything now. Rather like the religion you decry.
Left is th
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So, we should let China run our country instead? That is your solution? Are you ready to have your and your family's organs harvested because you weren't faithful enough to The Party? You and every pathetic cuck like you should give a long hard thing to all the 'trump and his supporters are na tsis' garbage you have spewed for the last four years while your new chink overlord kill everyone and everything you held dear.
You need a Snickers bar
Insider trading (Score:2)
I bet someone involved in the NYSE made gobs of money on this decision.
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