Laptop Stolen From Pelosi's Office During Storming of US Capitol, Says Aide (reuters.com) 393
A laptop was stolen from the office of U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi during the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, one of her aides said on Friday. From a report: Drew Hammill, an aide to Democrat Pelosi, said on Twitter that the laptop belonged to a conference room and was used for presentations. He declined to offer further details. The theft of electronic devices from congressional offices has been a persistent worry following the invasion by pro-Trump followers. They were encouraged by Republican President Donald Trump at a rally beforehand to march to the Capitol while Congress was certifying Democrat Joe Biden's Nov. 3 election win. Senator Jeff Merkley, a Democrat, said on Twitter on Thursday that a laptop was taken from his office.
Idiots (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Idiots (Score:5, Insightful)
They were thinking they would be successful and they would get pardoned by president-for-life Trump. Which is why I'm fine with it taking 2 weeks to start rounding them all up.
There's no evidence he follows through to help out the little people who help him - even where it costs him nothing. But he might do it as a middle finger to everyone who didn't support him. Better to not have their names while he's president.
Re:Idiots (Score:5, Interesting)
Unfortunately the problem is Trump could just grand amnesty to anyone involved, which is a blanket pardon for everyone there.
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Shh... he doesn't know that and I think people might not tell him that. Plus, he's totally willing to throw the group under the bus - he might just save the most photogenic ones.
Re:Idiots (Score:5, Informative)
They're already disavowing everyone in there. They are calling most people in that building, except the woman who got shot tried to break into where Pence was hiding, antifa. They're saying the whole thing was false flag. (Except the woman being shot, because they need a martyr.) They are showing police (who were surrounded), falling back from one fence way outside the building .. as evidence Trumpers were "allowed in." Nevermind the hundreds of videos showing them breaking into the building.
I guess it's a good thing them disavowing these people ..it'll be a deterrence that anyone who does anything stupid will be disavowed.
Re:Idiots (Score:5, Funny)
Pretty hard to claim that when the most recognizable person in the entire angry mob was a guy who calls himself Q Shaman, and is well known for showing up at similar alt-right demonstrations.
Here's another tip for would be insurrectionists; don't wear a fucking buffalo costume.
Re: Idiots (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, there was also the guy decked out in full tactical gear, armed with a pistol, and hopping over benches in the House gallery with a fistful of flexcuffs. Remember the plot in Michigan to kidnap the governor? That's what you had here. You had right wing extremist militias there looking to take Congressmen hostage.
https://slate.com/news-and-pol... [slate.com]?
Re:Idiots (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm fairly certain the only reason he's disavowing them is because the White House Council and members of his cabinet told him they'd invoke the 25th amendment if he didn't immediately start back tracking.
Re:Idiots (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, someone got to Trump and explained to him that his own cabinet was pondering invoking the 25th, and that it was almost guaranteed that Pelosi would be pushing for new Articles of Impeachment. That he is too fucking stupid to see the kind of constitutional and legal jeopardy he's thrown himself into isn't surprising, that, coward that he really is, he may now be dimly aware of just how fucking stupid his actions over the last couple of months only shows you that at the end of the day, self-preservation is his sole motivation. He doesn't care about the Republican Party, he doesn't care about America, he doesn't care about the Constitution or the Rule of Law, and he clearly doesn't care about the alt-right mob he helped unleash on Washington DC. He's a narcissist, and a fucking dumb one at that.
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Oh, someone got to Trump and explained to him that his own cabinet was pondering invoking the 25th, and that it was almost guaranteed that Pelosi would be pushing for new Articles of Impeachment. That he is too fucking stupid to see the kind of constitutional and legal jeopardy he's thrown himself into isn't surprising, that, coward that he really is, he may now be dimly aware of just how fucking stupid his actions over the last couple of months only shows you that at the end of the day, self-preservation is his sole motivation. He doesn't care about the Republican Party, he doesn't care about America, he doesn't care about the Constitution or the Rule of Law, and he clearly doesn't care about the alt-right mob he helped unleash on Washington DC. He's a narcissist, and a fucking dumb one at that.
^ what he said
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Unfortunately the problem is Trump could just grand amnesty to anyone involved, which is a blanket pardon for everyone there.
Only if he has names. He can't grant *.* pardons.
Re:Idiots (Score:5, Insightful)
Eh, there's precedent -- Jimmy Carter gave a blanket pardon to everyone who dodged the draft.
Re:Idiots (Score:4, Insightful)
But that's just symbolic, not law - a DA could go after them and easily - and to stop them the sitting president would then have to pardon the person the DA goes after.
Also to actually pardon them he has to pardon the person (name) of the crime (charges brought). As smart DA will wait to file charges till after DT has no power. The statute of limitations for treason/terrorism is indefinite, and the patriot act made it clear we can hold suspected terrorists without charge indefinitely, even if they are US citizens.
Re:Idiots (Score:5, Interesting)
But that's just symbolic, not law - a DA could go after them and easily
A DA has no authority to prosecute violations of federal law.
the sitting president would then have to pardon the person the DA goes after.
There is ample precedent for pardons given to people who have not yet been charged.
An obvious example is Ford's pardon of Nixon.
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Would Trump need to know the names, or could he pardon "everyone in the Capitol building" on Wednesday?
The Constitution doesn't say.
So the Supreme Court would decide.
The best argument for Trump is that the Constitution gives him the authority to grant pardons with no mention of a requirement to list names, so he should be able to do so.
The best counter-argument is that the authority to grant blanket anonymous pardons is tantamount to overturning laws, which is not something the president is constitutionally empowered to do.
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Yes, but the Army obviously had a list of everyone who dodged the draft. Even though their individual names weren't listed on the pardon, the government knew in advance exactly how many and who they were.
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Uncertain. Carter did this for draft dodgers. However where were no prosecutions there to test if this pardon would have been upheld. And Carter did this at the start of his administraiton, and essentially it was more of a signal that no prosecutions would be done for at least four years. I don't think the Reagan administration tried to go back and attempt prosecute those dodgers who did move back to the US.
In this particular case, we have a new presidential administration coming in, and if there was a b
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False. Washington named them. Looks like it was 10 (+2?) people. It wasn't a blanket "anyone involved in the whiskey rebellion." However the wording of the constitution is unclear on that. "The President [...] shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment."
To be "granted" a pardon, especially a reprieve, to me sounds like you have to be identified first. But then again, the wording says "offenses," not individuals. I guess it'll depend
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Probably he's going to be too busy trying to keep his on fat out of the fire to worry about the little guys.
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Article II, Section 2, clause 1:
... and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
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If the event becomes a matter of impeachment, that explicitly precludes any pardons.
Article II, Section 2, clause 1:
... and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
Current reports are indicating the House will have Articles of Impeachment ready by Monday. This after VP Pence has not indicated he will use the 25th Amendment to remove the seditious traitor. Supposedly there are many more Republicans who will sign onto the Articles this time around, and more Senators as well.
The White House counsel who oversaw the first impeachment is considering resigning [cnn.com]. If the impeachment comes through, he will not be participating. Reports are saying the traitor is in crisis manag [cnn.com]
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So the import questions are: 1) can Congress impeach a president AFTER his term of office. 2) Is Trump savy enough to wait to pardon himself until the final hours to prevent a quick special session impeachment and Sentate conviction which (unlike last time I suspect is quite possible this time).
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The Democrats are preparing for the articles to be read on the House Floor on Monday. It's looking like they're going to push for a highly accelerated schedule, and since the House has far few procedural hurdles, or at least they are easier to surmount, than the Senate, it is conceivable that the Articles could be voted on and transmitted to the Senate very quickly, perhaps that same day. If enough Republican Senators are motivated to throw him out of the White House, they could conceivably hold a very swif
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There's not going to be any movement for bigger payments to Americans until the new Congress and the new President are sworn in. At this point in time, McConnell has already made it pretty clear that that is the next Congress's problem. In the meantime, Congress has a President who encouraged the unhinged to go to Washington for the certification vote, and then egged them on as they crashed into the Capitol Building. There's a principle at stake here, and a precedent I suspect many lawmakers want to set; th
Re:Idiots (Score:5, Funny)
There's still 2024, and a good chance he could win. Remember, it was on Biden's watch that the economy crashed, the debt went up and all those people died of Covid.
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No, it is how it will be presented in 2024 and some people will believe it.
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It's open to interpretation, but I read that as he can't pardon someone who's been impeached (to remove the impeachment trial/proceedings/results)
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Re:Idiots (Score:5, Insightful)
There's no evidence he follows through to help out the little people who help him
I rack my brain wondering why ANYONE believes Trump is looking out for their interests and those of the "average American." That's the biggest fraud that has been committed over the last 4+ years. He has been, and always will be, interested ONLY in himself. Period.
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I mean, pre-2015 I though he ripped people off to save money for himself. But it's apparent that he won't even do almost nothing to help people at no cost to himself.
I mean, in 2015 I knew he wasn't going to pay that guy's legal bills when Trump told the guy he would pay for a lawyer if he punched the protestor. Cause that cost him money. But a pardon costs him literally nothing, but he'll only do it to piss off his enemies, not help the person being pardoned.
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He's a malignant narcissist. Probably the only thing that gives his tiny mushroom a semi-chub these days is hurting or killing people.
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There's no evidence he follows through to help out the little people who help him
I rack my brain wondering why ANYONE believes Trump is looking out for their interests and those of the "average American." That's the biggest fraud that has been committed over the last 4+ years. He has been, and always will be, interested ONLY in himself. Period.
Oh come on. That's not true. The con artist definitely looks out for the average American. Hasn't everyone grown up in a household where your son/daughter can ride a fake stuffed lion under Swarovski chandeliers [blogspot.com]?
Re: Idiots (Score:2)
What happened? It's that really it? You just drive over 2 foot of their grass?
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Video. I believe you, but more and more I'm realizing that's the burden of proof (and with the advent of cheap CCDs/storage/internet, the ubiquitous option) nowadays.
Re: Idiots (Score:5, Interesting)
Long story, involving a late night rebuilding a NetWare 3.11 server and starting restores, going home and catching a couple of hours of sleep before heading back into the office at 6 to make sure everything was okay and a moment of rage making a U turn that went over a newly seeded (not even sodded) shoulder which had been utterly destroyed by construction equipment tires elsewhere since there was construction across the narrow street. The VA Police called me to go in and when I did, they arrested me for destruction of government property with a mugshot and everything, and set a court date. When I pointed out that 10 feet away from where my tire marks were the ground was utterly destroyyed because of trucks having made U turns, they said "Well, nobody reported seeing those trucks, but someone did you." Apparently one of the construction workers I got into an argument with over getting into my parking lot saw me make the U turn and reported me to the feds. I talked to a lawyer and technically they could have thrown me in jail for 6 months for as much as spitting on government property. You have no idea what kind of strings I had to pull before they dropped the case and settled for my paying them $156 in 1995 dollars for the damage.
I would have been okay if I hadn't gotten into an argument with the construction worker. No witness, no crime. These idiots whose pictures are plastered all over the internet destroying fed property and opening Nancy's mail (I mean, come on! EVERYONE knows it's a federal crime to open someone else's mail) are not going to be happy when the FBI shows up on their doorsteps 2 weeks after Biden becomes president.
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#declarationTruth It's all a ruse, [dailymail.co.uk] pass it on.
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"I've been on the wrong side of the Federal government and faced 6 months in jail for making a U turn that went 2 feet over their grass. WTF are these idiots thinking? They'll spend a decade in jail for pulling this stunt."
Since a cop died, aren't they all being jailed for felony murder?
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I've been on the wrong side of the Federal government and faced 6 months in jail for making a U turn that went 2 feet over their grass. WTF are these idiots thinking? They'll spend a decade in jail for pulling this stunt.
Wonder if it's the same guy who had his picture taken in the Speaker's office chair [cnn.com]?
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finally.
we will know if the senator uses linux.
i for one need to know before i vote again
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Re:Idiots (Score:5, Insightful)
There is a big, big, big difference between protesting, even protesting and damaging government property, and trying to overthrow a legitimate election.
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"Facts don't care about your feelings"
Also those "Democrat strongholds" account for 85% of America's GDP
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> The protesters in Portland ...didn't steal Federal computer hardware, almost certainly triggering not *just* sedition charges for storming the Capitol building while Congress was in session, but also espionage charges for stealing sensitive government documents/data.
That's on top of the vandalism, trespassing, theft (and many other) charges they may be facing.
=Smidge=
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No matter how deep a hole he digs to hide himself, the zip ties demonstrate intent, and sooner or later armed FBI agents will crash through whatever dank door he hides behind. He's looking at serious time, and those that do end up in Federal Court are going to have couts highly motivated to make examples of them. You can do a lot of things in this world, but would-be insurrections never end well for those that tried to pull it off.
Re:Idiots (Score:5, Informative)
See, here's the thing. The few who were actually violent at BLM protests were prosecuted. But everyone at many of the protests, violent or not, were beaten and tear gassed. And I don't think you can find any actual videos at all similar to the fantasy you describe.
So it is disingenuous to compare the two.
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SO SHOULD THE BLM PROTESTERS who pulled similar crap.
Child rapists should all go to prison.
So should people named JBMcB who pulled similar crap.
Re:Idiots (Score:5, Interesting)
Funniest thing I've read today. https://www.foxnews.com/politi... [foxnews.com]
So not just storming (Score:3)
Storming and ... burglary? Larceny? (mini)-looting?
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It's at the very least obstruction of congressional proceedings (18 USC 1505 - 5 years in prison) with a sweetener of domestic terrorism (18 USC 2331 - raising it to 8 years). And that would be if one guy managed to sneak in a gun and just wave it around in the gallery overlooking the proceedings. Add in the mob, and you get fun stuff like rioting, sedition or insurrection. When stealing the laptop, it's at least burglary and theft.
Re:So not just storming (Score:4, Informative)
A cop has now died, too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wor... [bbc.co.uk]
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Because they didn't immediately release every piece of data regarding that and because it was unclear for a while what happened, the right wingnuts will _never_ believe he died due to an attack by them (if that's what happened). It doesn't matter if they find video of some right wingnut bashing his head in, they will never, ever believe it.
They can make conspiracy theories out of even straightforward events. Something that's not immediately and conclusively shown within 2 minutes of it happening, or somethi
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Storming and ... burglary? Larceny? (mini)-looting?
There's also the possibility of Federal murder charges. And that could be a fun one (as I understand it) because everyone who was involved in the storming could be deemed culpable for the deaths that occurred.
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Note that this is what I think I head some 3rd party say. I'm not 100% sure about extending the charges to all involved.
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Accessory to Murder. (Federal officer died yesterday from being hit by a fire extinguisher.)
It's encrypted. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:It's encrypted. (Score:4, Funny)
That's why you install an email server in your bathroom, so that you can continue to use your unsecure Blackberry . . .
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Public Service Reminder:
The Clinton private email server was secure. The government email servers were hacked, cracked, and leaked.
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In my experience, the more important someone perceives themselves, the more likely convenience is to override security. Let's just hope that didn't happen here. NIST 800-53 existed years before the OPM hack, and yet we saw how well that worked out.
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Per protocol all high level government electronics are encrypted and only accessible through 2 factor authentication. They have the hardware, but not the data. You can be absolutely sure nobody elected to the highest offices in the America would do anything to put our country at risk currumventing security for their own convenience. Security is of the utmost importance atfer all.
Nope we're screwed.
Well some of the idiots posted pics of computer systems that were left unlocked due to the rush to vacate the building. So technically there was no need to circumvent security in order to access the data available to those systems. This is one argument as to why none of those computer systems should ever be trusted again, and that they should all be trashed, as you have zero idea who actually had access to themas for how long.
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80 year olds too stupid to make their building windows shatter-proof.
This is some next level victim shaming.
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...Hillary's emails are on it? Or Hunter Biden's? /s
Hopefully, it was whole disk encrypted.
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Hopefully but we've seen major IT failures by the government in the past that makes it hard to have confidence.
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...Hillary's emails are on it?
Doubt it. The thief would be dead by now.
Just look on eBay... (Score:2)
..doubt the vandal could guess the password so it was useless for porn surfing.
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..doubt the vandal could guess the password so it was useless for porn surfing.
Apparently not protected, https://www.thegatewaypundit.c... [thegatewaypundit.com]
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..doubt the vandal could guess the password so it was useless for porn surfing.
Apparently not protected, https://www.thegatewaypundit.c... [thegatewaypundit.com]
If you're told to vacate ASAP because an angry mob was headed your way, you might not wait to lock you computer.
That thing might be extremely dangerous (Score:2)
A conference room laptop from Congress? Viewing those Powerpoint presentations might throw a normal person into an irreversible coma!
The thief had one question (Score:4, Funny)
Oh boy! (Score:3)
I can't wait to find out who took it. That's the only thing that matters, since whatever "is on it" will be completely determined by that.
Hopefully had FDE (Score:2)
Hopefully this laptop had full-disk encryption, if it was running Windows it was probably using TPM to manage the keys so the only way in would be to find a physical-access exploit for the Windows login screen. If it wasn't using the TPM module, they might be clever enough to try freezing the RAM and dumping it with specialized hardware.
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use the SolarWinds hack to dump recovery keys in the registry
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Hopefully this laptop had full-disk encryption, if it was running Windows it was probably using TPM to manage the keys so the only way in would be to find a physical-access exploit for the Windows login screen. If it wasn't using the TPM module, they might be clever enough to try freezing the RAM and dumping it with specialized hardware.
Bubba MAGA man isn't going to be exploiting TPMs any time soon.
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But he might hand it off to a far-right/conspiracy nut hacker before taking a crowbar to the thing to get to the files inside the computer...
Coming soon.... (Score:2)
Lots of dirt. Look at what came from Hillary's emails.
This all could have been orchestrated to get the laptops.
Just because I am paranoid, it does not mean that they are not out to get me too.
and was used for presentations (Score:2)
So for pure, unfiltered evil.
Best Part! (Score:2)
If these Trumptards get slapped with a felony they can kiss their gun ownership goodbye. The cherry on top is this https://www.foxnews.com/politi... [foxnews.com]
treason can get you death by firing squad! (Score:2)
treason can get you death by firing squad!
From the EU (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously guys, from the other side of the Atlantic, you lost all prestige and credibility. You have the highest defence budget in the world and you couldn't prevent some naked guy with horns looking like the Wish version of the village people and his friends to interrupt your parliament in a attempted coup. It's ridiculous.
Re:From the EU (Score:5, Insightful)
We have the same class struggles that all countries have and more than most because we have a very diverse mix of cultures. We are the third most populous country on earth. Rural America wants as little interference from the federal government as possible. For example, they need their guns to protect themselves because the police are too far away to help in an emergency and they rightly fear gun control by a liberal federal government.
48% of voters here voted for Trump. You and I may believe these are fools who believe the lies of a con man, but he had a message with a lot of appeal. Lower taxes, backing away from foreign conflicts, jobs for the disadvantaged, restrictions on abortion, improved health care, a super charged economy, safety and secure borders, and a huge litany of additional (broken) promises. Additionally, we are angry. We are angry that people fly airplanes into our buildings. We are angry when other countries threaten us with annihilation. We are angry that nation states sponsor terrorism, steal our intellectual property and continuously hack into our systems. Con men tell us what we want to hear and it works on many because they want to believe it. When a strong man says he'll put a stop to that, many embrace the possibility.
We cherish freedom and are willing to pay the ultimate price for it. But it is a double edged sword. Freedom of speech enables cult leaders to convince many people to drink the Kool-Aid. When citizens are granted extreme degrees of freedom, human nature dictates that it will be abused. Your population's human nature is likely no different than ours. We are learning how to retain the bounty of the Internet while restricting the damage it can cause when misused. We lead the world in Covid-19 infection because our citizens are free to ignore common sense advice from the medical community.
Our military is designed to protect us from external foes. After the 2nd world war, our country has invested in the ability to protect itself from pretty much the rest of the entire planet's nation states combined. But our military is not designed to put down an internal rebellion. In fact, our military power structure is designed to be weak against domestic threats because we never want a tyrannical government to gain power.
Recent events prove the genius of our country's founders. Our democracy has survived the ultimate test. We have a president who using his immense power tried every possible method to become a dictator - and he failed. A significant number of respected mental health professional have stated that he is in fact clinically insane. We have a legislative branch, led by our Republican party that supported him to achieve their cynical goals - and they no longer hold the majority they need to achieve their goals. Our democratic system has removed them from their majority power.
We have proven that a Lenin, Stalin, Putin, Mao Tse-tung, Xi Jinping cannot become a dictator here. For those of you who want that type of leader, you are welcome to give up your freedom and immigrate to a country with leaders like that.
We know that the last four years, culminating with January 6th has caused us to lose credibility and prestige. It would be easy to say we don't care - but we do.
I'm proud to be an American, and while I recognize the disadvantages in our system I am confident that Joe Biden is a proven moderate who will lead the American people is a respectable manner and take steps to improve our political system.
Hopefully my grandchildren will live in a world governed by the golden rule instead of the law of the jungle. But make no mistake, if you think it cannot happen in your country you may be destined to deal with the same issues we are solving today.
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From the outside, the fact that someone as incompetent as Trump almost succeeded points to the fact that next time, it might be someone competent and even Trump may yet make a comeback as he still has his cult.
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While you're probably right about Trump, I can't help notice the Republicans reaction to the election, namely in those States that swung from Trump to Biden, changing the election rules to make sure there is not a repeat.
As a Canadian, you're whole democracy seems broken, gerrymandering, voter suppression and way too complex elections. Along with that, there is the fact that more Americans voted for Trump then anyone in history besides Biden. Slightly less Democratic turnout would have flipped the election.
Potential Lead in the Case (Score:3)
Stolen laptop? No problem (Score:3)
I suspect that most of the people who did this break-in don't have electricity.
Surely the disk will be encrypted (Score:3)
... or will we see further incompetence in goverment?
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And if the laptop isn't encrypted then it's mismanagement.
Veracrypt or bitlocker. Just make sure that there are backups on a server somewhere so you don't lose the documents.
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People posted photos of unlocked laptops left on desks with half-completed emails. Apparently the Capitol IT Department are utter incompetents if they don't auto-lock sessions after a few minutes of inactivity. Hell, even my old couch laptop does that.
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Or even better - use their keycard to allow login on the PC and if the keycard is removed it's automatically locked. Then just have the keycard on a string attached to the body of the user.
It's feasible - I have configured that as an experiment.
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That's what Microsoft does, your access card also is your 2-factor authentication to unlock your computer. Since if you're going to move around in the building you need to take your access card anyway it's a good way to make sure that the computers get locked.
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People posted photos of unlocked laptops left on desks with half-completed emails. Apparently the Capitol IT Department are utter incompetents if they don't auto-lock sessions after a few minutes of inactivity. Hell, even my old couch laptop does that.
It all depends on when the people left their machines and when the terrorists gained entry. I believe our lock time is around 10 minutes. If the people in the office got a last second notice to find a secure location, there may not have been enough time for the auto lock to happen.
That said, one of our security measures is to always lock your machine when you leave your desk. Either these people weren't told this or didn't do this.
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Well, until now
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It always amuses me how you chuds spread these talking points. It's become like that "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" Star Trek episode. You've all blathered on about that Pakistani gender shit that all you have to do is mention it and your fellow chuds snort derisively because they're in on the secret.
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Cops have known since the '70s that the quickest way to turn a peaceful protest violent is to meet it with disproportionate force, which is why they got out the rubber bullets and flash-bangs for the BLM protests. The one on the other hand started out violent without any additional provocation, and yet the response was muted at best.
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Let me guess, does your other clever political banter involve calling Democrats "DemonRATS" and do you refer to Joe Biden as "Sleepy Joe" or "Pedo Joe"?
Aaron Sorkin should embed himself in your life so he can pick up some super witty political repartee for his shows.
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Cheney walked out of the White House with a whole server under his arm and from assholes like you...crickets.
Conservative hypocrisy and dedication to a double standard indicate that it is indeed, "business as usual".