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Report: US Halts Huawei's Suppliers, Including Intel, in Last Blow to China's 5G (reuters.com) 50

"The Trump administration notified Huawei suppliers, including chipmaker Intel, that it is revoking certain licenses to sell to the Chinese company and intends to reject dozens of other applications," Reuters reports, citing sources familiar with the matter: One of the sources said eight licenses were yanked from four companies. Japanese flash memory chip maker Kioxia Corp had at least one license revoked, two of the sources said. The company, formerly known as Toshiba Memory Corp, could not immediately be reached for comment... Companies that received the "intent to deny" notices have 20 days to respond, and the Commerce Department has 45 days to advise the companies of any change in a decision or it then becomes final. Companies would then have another 45 days to appeal...

Before the latest action, some 150 licenses were pending for $120 billion worth of goods and technology, which had been held up because various U.S. agencies could not agree on whether they should be granted, a person familiar with the matter said. Another $280 billion of licenses for goods and technology for Huawei still have not been dealt with, the source said, but now face a higher likelihood of denial... The United States made the latest decisions during a half dozen meetings starting on Jan. 4 with senior officials from the departments of Commerce, State, Defense and Energy, the source said. The officials developed detailed guidance with regard to which technologies were capable of 5G, and then applied that standard, the person said.

By doing that, the officials denied the vast majority of the roughly 150 disputed applications, and revoked the eight licenses to make those consistent with the new denials, the source said.

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Report: US Halts Huawei's Suppliers, Including Intel, in Last Blow to China's 5G

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  • So just don't. Nothing that happens now, will have any meaning after the inauguration.

    I'm only waiting for some nutjobs to declare the Fourth Reich, and everyone laughing, like we used to treat powerless nutjobs (like SJWs too) in the times before the mass media decided it was a good idea to put a spotlight in them.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Nothing that happens now, will have any meaning after the inauguration.

      Not true. Trump's actions remain valid unless Biden explicitly revokes them.

      When it comes to trade policy, Biden is only slightly more sensible than Trump.

  • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Sunday January 17, 2021 @07:21PM (#60956942)

    Chinese companies (still) have a dependence on US technologies. When the US denies them acecss to that technology, the US forces China to break that dependence, thereby making itself optional at best, and accelerating its slide into complete irrelevance.

    Well done Trump. Nice move...

    • We shot ourselves one toe at a time, it is simply amazing something like the auto chip shortage has taken so long to happen. Both sides need to lower their dependence on the other. Sadly one is almost there and the other is bleeding out through their toes.
    • by jonwil ( 467024 )

      If I was the Chinese government right now I would be giving SMIC (the biggest chip maker in China) a directive to do whatever it takes to get a small-feature-size process going in a way that no foreign countries can control. Give them whatever resources are necessary to make that happen.

      • Unfortunately, it won't work out like that. There's too much corruption and just plain cheating. They will be throwing money at it, and the money will strangely disappear. Maybe a bunch of useless papers get published and patents bet granted, but mysteriously progress will still be slow.

        If anything, they should do the "communist" thing and break up the big chip maker and force them to compete.
        • You seem to forget - if you are corrupt in China, and you are doing so against major initiatives by the government, those people have a strange habit of dying.
      • SMIC is already making a production line with Chinese tools. It should be operational in a year or two.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      In previous work, I dealt with a body of software from a multi-national chip supplier. With successive releases of this software, the names in change notes made it clear that responsibility for this code had been transferred to China. The quality of the code was, contrary to prejudicial expectations, improving rather than declining.
    • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      The immediate impact, kill the licence and loose the patent, that is the law. You have to make patens accessible, when you do not, you do not have to adhere to that patent. So patent and content war, coming up and guess who loses that one, the one with the most patent and content.

    • When china (as a state) actively sponsors the stealing of IP, hacking and bait and switch tactics to move manufacturing to China with unfair rules, I really don't feel bad for them when we decide that we don't want thier routers which could potentially and probably have backdoors to further thier cause.

  • Rusty Trumpet is going in the bin in THREE DAYS. They should kick his ass all the way back to Florida.

  • Is that what this is really all about?

  • by 278MorkandMindy ( 922498 ) on Sunday January 17, 2021 @07:57PM (#60957078)

    I genuinely don't understand how the US can revoke a license that stops a Japanese chip maker selling to China?

    Are all the mentioned companies US companies, or manufacture in the US?

    • by green1 ( 322787 ) on Sunday January 17, 2021 @09:10PM (#60957366)

      It's not about being a US company, It's about any company in the world that wants to do business with anyone in the US. The US doesn't respect international boundaries or pesky things like jurisdiction, so they are quite happy to penalize foreign individuals or corporations for actions that happen in other parts of the world with no connection whatsoever to the US.

    • by ghoul ( 157158 ) on Sunday January 17, 2021 @09:16PM (#60957398)
      US runs the SWIFT system so all international trade deals done in USD run through the banks in New York so when China pays Japan with USD the money has passed through US jurisdiction. US can sanction any bank which facilitates the transaction if its a transaction they dont like. This is basically the case against Huawei CFO. Iran paid Huawei for some servers via HSBC Hong Kong accounts. HSBC asked Huawei to certify they were not selling to Iran as US put unilateral sanctions on Iran. Huawei lied about it in a meetng that happened in Singapore. US is claiming fraud and jurisdiction and HSBC is trning states evidence so that they can keep using the Swift system. This is why Russia and China are trying to build alternatives to the Swift system so as to prevent simple transactions from getting infected with US jurisdiction just because the banks running SWIFT are headquartered in New York. In this case once DOJ tells Toshiba not to sell to Huawei they have to either obey or not do business in USD. Its just easier to obey.
  • by ghoul ( 157158 ) on Sunday January 17, 2021 @09:10PM (#60957362)
    Chinese consumers will survive with 5% slower tech while their homegrown companies catch up but US Tech firms will not be able to afford the next round of tech research without access to the Chinese market.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Catch up? Huawei got the jump on everyone with 5G tech.

      China already has world leading tech companies. Phones, semiconductor fabrication, electric vehicles and self driving cars, all sorts of stuff. Huawei laptops are as well made as any Macbook and feature upgradable parts.

      It's already too late, not that there was ever much chance of stopping it.

    • Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Kryptonut ( 1006779 ) on Sunday January 17, 2021 @09:34PM (#60957480)

    Now they'll make their own.

    One day the US will wake up and wonder why China overtook them.

  • Maybe they can trade for some car chips?

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  • China Joe will remove all the restrictions. And of course his son will reap the rewards....with 10-50% going back to Commie Joe. He can't risk making his China masters mad.
  • I appears they didn't deposit the correct amount of money into Trumps offshore account.

  • After years of posturing about Huawei's spying and the USA has not been able to produce a single shred of proof? "We have conclusive proof that Huawei is spying for the CCP". Bring it already please.

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