Biden Lifts Trump-Era Ban Blocking Legal Immigration To US (nbcnews.com) 242
President Joe Biden has lifted a freeze on green cards issued by his predecessor during the pandemic that lawyers said was blocking most legal immigration to the United States. From a report: Former President Donald Trump last spring halted the issuance of green cards until the end of 2020 in the name of protecting the coronavirus-wracked job market -- a reason that Trump gave to achieve many of the cuts to legal immigration that had eluded him before the pandemic. Trump on Dec. 31 extended those orders until the end of March. Trump had deemed immigrants a "risk to the U.S. labor market" and blocked their entry to the United States in issuing Proclamation 10014 and Proclamation 10052. Biden stated in his proclamation Wednesday that shutting the door on legal immigrants "does not advance the interests of the United States."
"To the contrary, it harms the United States, including by preventing certain family members of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents from joining their families here. It also harms industries in the United States that utilize talent from around the world," Biden stated in his proclamation. Most immigrant visas were blocked by the orders, according to immigration lawyers. As many as 120,000 family-based preference visas were lost largely because of the pandemic-related freeze in the 2020 budget year, according to the American Immigrant Lawyers Association.
"To the contrary, it harms the United States, including by preventing certain family members of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents from joining their families here. It also harms industries in the United States that utilize talent from around the world," Biden stated in his proclamation. Most immigrant visas were blocked by the orders, according to immigration lawyers. As many as 120,000 family-based preference visas were lost largely because of the pandemic-related freeze in the 2020 budget year, according to the American Immigrant Lawyers Association.
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Why don't you just let them work from home, why do you need to physically bring them to America when it'll be functionally the same?
Rereading the summary I can't see anything about tech workers, so why is this on Slashdot if it's not about tech? I need to find a tech aggregator that actually aggregates tech news
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Democrats are importing voters not workers
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Now that mail in voting is widely accepted, why can't they just mail in their votes from their own countries! /s
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Now that mail in voting is widely accepted, why can't they just mail in their votes from their own countries!
Some of them do! Like the one that used to "vote living in our house by absentee ballot from abroad" for years, while we tried to get him off the rolls. (He was finally removed after we got a reporter interested in trying to prove we were lying who found out we wern't.)
The corpse of one of our next-door neighbors was also voting absentee for years. Don't know from where - the voter registration fo
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Republicans are using workers, not voters, and purposefully not enforcing the laws that would prevent businesses from doing that.
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What laws, specifically, aren't being followed?
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Greencard holders can't vote in US elections you dumb fuck. And for whatever strange reason almost all of my (male) Indian coworkers were all aboard the Trump Train.
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Tell that to California.
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Democrats are importing voters not workers
How many H1-Bs and greencard holders are eligible to vote?
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If Democrats have their way all of them. Hell in California they're letting illegals vote in some local elections already.
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Blah blah blah blah blah blah... blahblah... blah ... blah.
Where you born this stupid, or do you actually have to work for it? Do you wake up every morning and make a list of stupid shit you are going to post? From my point of view that is what it looks like.
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Why no, we're not [nytimes.com]. We chock full of states governed by Republicans who insist that any restrictions are unacceptable intrusions upon liberty and America must reopen.
So, we're reopened, to green card holders too. They're getting exactly what they want. Ok, not really, because a lot of them don't want immigrants coming to the U.S., but it's hard to justify closing just that in response to COVID, now isn't it.
BTW, not all green card applicants are tech workers.
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Blocking Legal Immigraion (Score:2)
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We have policies for legal immigration -- this is what every politician touts, by the way. They had just put a hold on it.
Oy vey (Score:2, Interesting)
Re: Oy vey (Score:2, Informative)
Corporations import H1-B workers so that they can pay less than the going rate for the job. It's hard to compete with that.
It's worse than that (Score:2)
What H1-Bs get you is training and disposablility. College in America is *expensive*. And that means you have to pay at least enough that your American employees can buy food, shelter and pay their student loans. Pre H-1B abuse companies had to fund the schools with federal dollars so people could afford to go & learn the skills needed to be profitable worker bees. But H1-Bs? They're educated on somebod
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they're paying about the going rate these days
What kinda bullshit statement is this?
The going rate is defined by whats being paid. Of course they are being paid the going rate.
The problem is that supply and demand effects this value. Your bullshit completely broken logic corporate cock sucking narrative better get on board.
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The problem isn't the Americans' demands, it's the fact that workers on visa are willing to accept these poor standards of living.
The real solution is to elevate *everyone's* living standards and pay a fair price for their efforts.
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On the other hand, you're not a citizen of this country, so how about you shut the fuck up and mind your business? I'm sure whatever shithole weak broke-ass excuse for a country you come from is likely corrupt as fuck and otherwise totally irrelevant to the rest of the world, could be erased from the map and no one would notice, so how about you bugger off?
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They where threatening to ban you and deleting your posts to keep the conversation above a room temperature IQ level.
The real immigration issue... (Score:2, Insightful)
"It also harms industries in the United States that utilize talent from around the world," Biden stated in his proclamation"
It is all about screwing over US tech workers by diluting salaries. There is a reason tech salaries haven't grown at a pace with tech companies themselves... pretending some kind of perpetual shortage of labor exists is it. Hell, at some point the important labor took over most strategic positions in the tech companies and then it became not just about dilluting the labor pool but also
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There is a reason tech salaries haven't grown at a pace with tech companies themselves
They haven't? Can you substantiate that claim?
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This isn't everyone, I'm too lazy for that but you certainly can't go by recruiter data.
So lets us a real comparison.
In 2012 had entry level positions for new bachelors and/or 2-4yrs experience would earn between $55-85k/yr depending on exact position. In contrast Facebook stock was $50/share. Facebook stock has grown almost 6X to $280/share but the realistic average salary maybe rates $65-95k/yr. If salaries had grown with the industry you'd be seeing $500k/yr+ average early career salaries. For people in
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There is a reason tech salaries haven't grown at a pace with tech companies themselves...
It's not limited to tech companies, it's for pretty much the entire US economy [pewresearch.org] (and not just US, in fact), and has been that way for decades.
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Sorry but tech companies are the bulk of the US economy and grown at a rate that makes other sectors laughable. It is one thing to have failed to keep pace with with a 15% growth over a decade and quite another to be stagnant with 300+% growth. These are not strawberry picker jobs either but top 20% earning positions.
They bury the imported labor in churn and funnel it through under bogus diploma mill student visa scams among other things. When you limit that, they start finding ways to outsource, again, hid
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Sorry but tech companies are the bulk of the US economy
Sorry, but they're not [bea.gov]. Not even close.
It is one thing to have failed to keep pace with with a 15% growth over a decade and quite another to be stagnant with 300+% growth. These are not strawberry picker jobs either but top 20% earning positions.
You're absolutely correct that salaries have not kept pace in any way with the growth of the economy, and this holds for pretty much everywhere in at least "the West". The main reasons for that are that companies are doing everything with their money except for raising wages, including hoarding (hi, Apple), and distributing to shareholders (hi, every big company). Here's an summary article that goes into more detail [forbes.com]. H1B visa workers may be a part of them allowing to d
'Talent'? (Score:3)
It also harms industries in the United States that utilize talent from around the world.
Translated from politician-ese: "We needs us lots of that cheap, cheap foreign labor..."
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cheap, cheap foreign labor...
Or perhaps labor that doesn't think their job entails being social justice warriors [slashdot.org] on company time.
The real problem isn't H1-B's (Score:3)
Meanwhile the 'workers' don't get any job security whatsoever, paid a pittance in comparison to having a real job, and only the corporations prosper.
Clamp down on these shitty 'staffing companies' and the H1-B problem will likely correct itself.
American companies need to hire REAL EMPLOYEES not just 'temps' that only stick around for the 6 months they're allowed by law.
The benefits of this are not just for the workers, either, corporations will benefit from higher quality work when workers have an actual stake in the qualtity of what they're doing instead of knowing they can just skate by because they know they'll be gone.
How to fix/improve the H1B program (Score:5, Insightful)
I've said this before (including on /.) and will say it again, in the naive hopes that somehow these ideas will get to policy makers.
A lot of people are against the H1B system, and rightfully so given how badly it's been abused to harm US workers. Also to harm the H1B folks. So it results in damage to the field overall by bringing in cheap body shop labor, treating them as pseudo indentured servants, while harming career prospects and wage growth for US folks, and hurting the employee base overall.
On the other hand, there really is a valid problem that the H1B program was initially trying to solve, a shortage of qualified candidates for some roles (which are well paid and compensated).
I've hired H1Bs throughout my career, including now, for some roles. Not as a blanket hiring policy, but for when we couldn't find candidates. They were hired in direct competition against all comers, and were truly the best candidates for us (not just due to technical background, but previous experiences, "social fit" etc). They are by far not the cheapest paid, and fall in the middle to high end of our distribution. The preference actually was to hire domestic candidates if we could find them. Communication and common cultural touchstones are easier, as well as less bureaucratic overhead. This is what I think the original purpose of the H1B program was.
The current bureaucratic H1B process is a kafkaesque nightmare. DHS folks are really not qualified to judge jobs and backgrounds. As an example: Why is a PhD in stats or physics working as a "Machine Learning Scientist." That is not an appropriate degree for the role. Really?
The H1B process has been wholly abused. But there was a legitimate and enduring need that it had tried to solve.
The two quickest and easiest ways I've heard to solve this (which are not part of the current proposed "solutions") are:
1) Run the H1B process as an auction not a lottery. The auction number/bid is the salary you will offer the candidate. You want a foreigner, pay for them. If their background, experience, etc are something you truly need, your dollars will speak for themselves. Will significantly mitigate the cheap body shop problem. Toy example: only 10 people allowed, H1B visas will be issued to the 10 folks who will be paid the highest salary (with some safeguards like that salary can't be reduced by more than 5% in total for the full H1B duration).
2) Allow more mobility so that H1B workers are not so explicitly tied to an employer which lends itself to abuse.
Finally, especially on /. we get stuck on H1Bs, but Trump had stopped all illegal immigration, including family based, refugee, etc. There is more to legal immigration than just employment based.
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Let me guess. You don't know that the best talent is not on job boards [toggl.com]. You don't court developers while they still have jobs. You assume that when a good developer becomes dissatisfied with their job, that it isn't already too late to try to hire them because they've already chosen their next employer.
So I don't think you really looked. But I like your two proposals
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1) Run the H1B process as an auction not a lottery. The auction number/bid is the salary you will offer the candidate.
That means that only the companies that can afford them will get them, and of course those companies are in the most expensive places to live in in the first place. So you're very likely going to bring 80,000 new people to the Bay Area and New York every year, making things worse for people that have nothing to do with tech at all and just want to be able to live in those places. Plus this doesn't solve the fundamental problem for those H1B employees: The employer has them by the balls until they get the g
Trump hold ended with 2020, Biden did nothing (Score:3)
The article clearly states that Trump put the hold on till the end of 2020, therefore in 2021 there was nothing for Biden to do, so he's just grabbing headlines.
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Minimum wage workers - "We want higher wages."
Same minimum wage workers - "Open the border and flood the market with more minimum wage workers."
Everyone else - "Idiots!"
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Obama: "Don't send your children" (Score:2)
I have some more links if you're interested. Bottom line... "don't send your kids" - Obama.
Jun 18, 2014 "A first look inside holding facilities for immigrant children" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
June 27, 2014 "Obama 'Don't send your children'" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
June 30, 2014 "Obama to Use Executive Action to Secure Southern US Border" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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In theory Trump was beholden to nobody because he had all his own money. In practice he was either beholden to Putin for something else, or simply didn't care about anything other than building and maintaining his cult of personality.
It's a great tragedy, because a truly independent executive could have done some amazing things.
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Right, he just abused policies to pay HIS businesses with tax dollars...
Exactly, the damage was much smaller scale and more localized. With Biden you'll get policies with much greater reach, as he has a much larger range of businesses he needs to pay off.
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Exactly, the damage was much more acceptable by the base because it was their side doing it.
FTFY. ;)
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An interesting theory of contained political criminality, but unfortunately Trump didn't do this, there was still widespread corruption - he propped up fossil fuel industries and farming industries for political support, and tried to force the sale of a foreign social media company he didn't like to a political crony, just off the top of my head.
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Maybe it was the fact that Trump always stayed at Trump properties and then billed the US government for the privilege.
I assume it is this layover that you are referring to:
https://www.politico.com/story... [politico.com]
Ya, nothing fishy looking there.
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Re:H1-B boom... here we go (Score:5, Insightful)
What progress? He threw a bunch of poorly thought out crap at the wall and hoped something would stick. The H1-B problem can't be solved by anything he tried to do. The only way to fix the H1-B problem is to make it easier for H1-B people to change jobs. Unless you do that, you're guaranteed to create sweatshops. And in truth, even if you do that, you're just going to end up with the same people who hired the on-shore sweatshops hiring off-shore sweatshops.
Protectionist policies never work. Anybody who argues otherwise is ignoring pretty much all of human history. The way you keep your high-paying jobs is by delivering commensurate value.
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Protectionist policies never work.
Guess we'll find out when Nvidia buys ARM.
And yes that falls under protectionism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Protectionist policies never work.
Guess we'll find out when Nvidia buys ARM.
And yes that falls under protectionism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Not really. Protectionism is messing with the balance of trade (or, by extension, the balance of labor) to protect one country's industries against other countries' corporations. The ARM issue is about corporate acquisitions, and is an antitrust issue.
I'm pretty sure the EU would have had a fit about anybody buying ARM Holdings. It's so critical to so many things that any purchase requires intense scrutiny. The purchase of ARM by one of its licensees is a concern not just to the EU, but also to every ot
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You say that, but some wages increased 45% which is exactly what Trump said would happen.
There was an article here on /. where corporations were complaining that they would have to pay $200k salaries for some of the "specialized" labor. That complaint legitimized the republican claim that corporations were requesting H1-Bs for cheap labor, and not due to lack of skill within the US.
This link below explains the effect on salaries increased due to Trump's H1-B limitations. Not just on existing citizens, but i
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You say that, but some wages increased 45% which is exactly what Trump said would happen.
The article you posted didn't say wages increased 45%. It said the minimum acceptable wage increased 45% (and in some cases in some specialized fields it increased even more than that). That only means actual wages increased 45% if all H1B workers were making the minimum wage. I know from experience that is not the case.
There was an article here on /. where corporations were complaining that they would have to pay $200k salaries for some of the "specialized" labor. That complaint legitimized the republican claim that corporations were requesting H1-Bs for cheap labor, and not due to lack of skill within the US.
For most jobs where H1B visas are used, none of these rule changes affect the reality that jobs located in the US are always in competition with the same roles being outsourced to other coun
Making it easier for them to change jobs (Score:2)
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doesn't change the fact that they're being brought in for entry level positions (or ones that really only need 6-12 months of training). Yes, we want doctors for the rural towns where no Americans will go. But we don't want code monkeys. When I was a lad you went to a vocational school and got a job.
Yes, the fact that the rules about it being for highly skilled jobs clearly aren't being enforced is another problem. On the flip side, there's clearly no shortage of jobs for U.S. college grads with CS degrees. So clearly there are more entry level jobs than we can fill. The options, then, are to pay some senior-level person a ridiculous amount of money to do an entry-level job that he or she will hate or bring in people from overseas who can fill the head count. I don't really see a problem with filli
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You also don't solve problems by writing executive orders, you also need to manage the administration. As managers go, Trump was terrible at it, he just wanted to sign orders and display them to cameras even though little practical change resulted. There was no effective change in H1-B policy while Trump was in office and H1-B abuses continued as they were. To solve the problem requires actual legislation, oversight, and effort. Start prosecuting those who abuse H1-B visas rather than get your attorneys
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Protectionist policies never work
Every country in the world has protectionist policies.
The skill it out there in the US. The issue is whether the corporations want to pay for it. This isn't that complicated. Obviously, given the choice, corporations would rather flood the market with skilled labor to bring up supply and lower wages.
Not really (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know about the rest of you, but I work in IT and I didn't see anyone having any trouble getting H1-Bs in the Trump era. I did see one guy get sent home because his paper work didn't get processed in time... and then immediately by a different H1-B.
Biden's Status Quo Joe, but that doesn't mean the Status Quo was really changed. Trump talked big but his actions really only kept a handful of Latin Americans and Mexicans trying to enter legally out. It did nothing to stop the tide of H1-Bs or even H2-Bs.
And this isn't really a surprise. Trump hires a lot of them and we know from his disclosure forms his businesses brought in $1.6 billion during his presidency.
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Also how about some 'progress' on Slashdot in curbing shitposting like you just did, where you're not willing to put your logged-in name behind the garbage you just posted?
better then trump plan where covid = pre existing (Score:2)
better then trump plan where covid = you can end up on the pre existing blacklist and be locked out of getting an healthcare plan.
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Well perhaps your jobs really isn't that valuable.
Your job may be in a bubble. However it ends up just being a passing fad, then the market is flooded with a bunch of people who can do that job.
While you may find some companies bringing in H1-B workers and paying them a low amount, because they can. For the most part, it is because they cannot find an employee who is not properly qualified to do the job. (Either they are under qualified, find during the interview that they will not be a good fit for the j
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All the progress made by the previous administration in curbing fraudulent H1-B hiring and the resulting downward pressure on wages is going to be rapidly undone by Grandpa Biden. He is completely in the pocket of corporate CEOs and boards who want to basically keep people working for slave wages.
Do you have any evidence such as statistical data from official government sources on this? The last time I bothered to look to actually get this data on H1-B visas the data showed numbers continuing to go up throughout the entirety of the Trump administration.
If anyone has evidence there were less H1-B under the Trump administration I would love to see it.
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H1-B has literally nothing to do with green cards. You don't get one upon competing your initial visa. The only way of getting one would be marrying a US citizen or applying and waiting for years.
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I went through the process with my wife who went from a work visa to permanent resident via green card.
H1-Bs are a popular subject of scorn here and I agree that they are abused. I don't see anything in this article that really specifies changes to that specific process. I'm not even sure Trump did anything about it, he just tried blanket bans.
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Trump, the guy who used to hire illegal immigrants, and who would find way to not pay his legal workers, you really think he cared about the average worker?
Downward pressure on wages is coming from offshorting jobs. H1-B workers at least are supposed to be paid a prevailing wage here. If this doesn't happen, the solution is not to ban all immigrants but to fix the system. We've had H1=B visas for a very long time, and during that time we have had economic booms and busts. Without a statistical correlati
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It's early yet. They are still sleeping in since they don't need to go to work.
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It's Just you (Score:5, Insightful)
That said, I don't see this having any effect on H1-Bs. Trump's EOs didn't actually have any teeth, and the companies I know of (keeping this purposefully vague to protect the innocent) had no trouble getting their import cheap labor save for a minor disruption here and there because, well, Trump's people suck and administration and sometime the paperwork didn't get processed in time. When that happened H1-B applicant A was sent home and immediately replaced by H1-B applicant B. Heck sometimes applicant A just stayed and kept working. The main source of illegal immigrants is people overstaying work visas and still getting jobs.
Status Quo Joe was never going to change that and Trump certainly didn't. We had an honest to good bomb thrower in the ring (Bernie Sanders) and the voters overwhelmingly choose Biden (30 points).
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By "innocent" I mean my friends (Score:2)
Re:It's Just you (Score:5, Insightful)
How does opening the flood gates to the US, in the middle of a pandemic shutdown, with people already out of jobs, hungry, etc...help anyone here?
Seriously, how is this of a benefit to the US citizens already here having serious problems?
Rural Doctors (Score:3)
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the old folks there (who have a massive amount of voting power because of how our political system works)
How are political system works in this regard is, "to have your vote counted, you must cast your ballot." Are you suggesting that voter suppression of young voters is systemic in rural areas? Or that some sort of election fraud is going on whereby the votes of young voters aren't counted? Or is it that young people are abandoning rural areas in droves, leaving the seniors in control by default (if that's it, I'm curious as to how our voting system is to blame)? I'm not trying to be glib or flippant, I'm ser
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Wow, you really need to expand your news sources there friend-o.,.,...
It's not that bad here, really.
Numbers are coming WAY down...way down fast here lately.
Re: It's Just you (Score:3)
How does opening the flood gates to the US, in the middle of a pandemic shutdown, with people already out of jobs, hungry, etc...help anyone here?
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It's not that bad here, really.
Numbers are coming WAY down...way down fast here lately.
You are countering your own hyperbole?
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Numbers are coming WAY down...way down fast here lately.
Sure but did you SEE all of the quotes OP used?
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This change was made pretty late in 2020 already, the "floodgates" had been open earlier in the pandemic anyway. Part of the ban was on families of H1-B workers (splitting up families is a big priority of the family values party apparently), and those families actually do want to come over so that they can be together. H1-B workers are not temps.
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Whoops, my mistake here. This issue with families is for those with green cards, which means they're already permanent legal residents. Many of whom are applying for citizenship, which would make then exactly as American as Trump is, no more and no less.
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I've been railing against H1-B abuses for about 8 years now. When I make those comments they reliability get modded up +5 as long as there isn't a tinge of racism in it (which OP very much does not).
Yeah, I recall numerous people posting here "I don't generally like Trump's policies, but I largely support his position regarding H1-B visas"... including myself.
However people seem to be missing that this story isn't really about H1-B visas.
I supported what he said about H1-B (Score:2)
But the point is, Trump, who goes around telling everyone he'll shut down the flow of cheap H1-B labor, is belove
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the voters overwhelmingly choose Biden (30 points).
Sort of. Did you notice how most of the democratic candidates dropped out right before Super Tuesday? Almost like it was orchestrated by the DNC.
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Is it just me, or has the 50-cent army retreated now that the election is over? Comments like this used to be downvoted to oblivion.
Either those shills/bot farmers stopped getting paid -OR- those were real people who just realized they were bamboozled.
Quoted against censor mods. Apparently there are still some paid trolls around, though I can't understand why anyone thinks Slashdot is worth the investment.
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For defense contractors, the promise was to return to the days of small conflicts that spent huge sums of money on armaments, security, and nation building. The peace in the Middle East couldnâ(TM)t last without a new boogeyman to spend the military on. So, they went back to the old boogeyman. They got it.
Trump had more drone strikes during his four years than Obama had in eight (I know, Glem didn't say much about it, but its true: https://www.theamericanconserv... [theamerica...vative.com]). Trump's military spending is about the same as Obama's second term, and the troops deployed are lower, but in line with the decline in deployments that occurred under Obama. https://www.bbc.com/news/elect... [bbc.com]
For pharmaceutical execs, the promise was to return to the days of taxpayer funded medical care the costs of which the world had never known. No more government mandated public price schedules for hospitals, hard negotiations with Medicare, and regional pricing enforced with import blocks. They got it.
Republicans were calling price cont
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For defense contractors, the promise was to return to the days of small conflicts that spent huge sums of money on armaments, security, and nation building. The peace in the Middle East couldnâ(TM)t last without a new boogeyman to spend the military on. So, they went back to the old boogeyman. They got it.
Sorry, but I think the Trump peace plan is almost as much a sham as his work with North Korea. It allowed them to immediately annex some areas, and then in others they conveniently agreed to hold off for 4 years....a timetable that neatly fits with the remainder of Trumps expected 2nd term. Strange that his peace would have a set end date where, if it makes it that far, you know it's going to result in more fighting. As for the old boogeyman, well I guess it's easy to have "peace" when you just look away fr
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Green cards are completely different from H1B. H1B is a guest worker program (also a training program for offshoring companies). Green card holders are immigrants.
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Blah blah blah Biden Derangement Syndrome blah blah blah
Speaking of true believer idiots and one shows up.
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Speaking of true believer idiots and one shows up.
Oh, sweet irony.
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No, I think the implication is that after 4 years he got sick of everything being "refuted" with lazy comments that just claimed Trump Derangement Syndrome. Now that the tables have turned, he's simply returning the favor. I can't say I blame him. It does get tiring repeatedly trying to carefully shoot down arguments while they just continue to fling crap. It takes 30 seconds to fling a load of crap, and at least 10 times as long to attempt to clean up the mess. And when you're done cleaning it up, it's not
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There was. They were actually all over the net. I would be very interested in seeing a /. graph of active posters now vs before the 2020 election.
It should be clearly obvious now that some thing was going on with the tech groups. Last year I couldn't troll one twitter feed or facebook group with out having "fact checkers" all over me. Now I'm free to troll at will.
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20 years ago, demographics of software companies I worked for looked pretty much like the general population. Now it is 90% Indian. Something has happened that is not right.
Local talent? I will be strongly discouraging my children from going into computers or engineering. My oldest is interested in plumbing, and I genuinely hope that is what he chooses to do for a living.
Re:H1-B boom... here we go (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:H1-B boom... here we go (Score:5, Insightful)
Cry me a river!
I've worked at many places where they tried to use H1B labor for tasks like coding, only to wind up with inferior quality code because the devs would only do *very specifically* what was spoon fed to them to work on. I get it... you're not going to find a whole lot of skilled coders in the American workforce today. That's because it's not a career the majority of people are really cut out for. You can blame it on them being a bunch of weed-smoking, Family Guy viewers. But IMO, some of the best coders meet both of those criteria....
The big problem is that too many people desire custom-made software solutions for things, but don't really want to pay what it costs to do them right. It's a big job, and is the reasons companies pay MILLIONS just to roll out large ERP deployments, and millions more to add functionality in "phases" after that. Those are off the shelf products that are modular and customizable for each business's needs ... not rolled from scratch. But company X always thinks it's going to just cobble together a team of developers and make their own application, just for their needs, and save money with it.
They're seeking H1B labor because they can't get enough qualified people any other way. But *that* is because the work is generally considered drudgery that requires constant upkeep with changing development tools and criteria -- and the compensation isn't worth it.
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Oh please... As someone who manages a large team in tech on the west coast. I can assure you that H1B talent is neither cheap nor fraudulent. It's super hard to get labor certifications and processes are lengthy.
That's the case now, but it wasn't the case 5 years ago. Infosys and Tata used to handle all that work for you and then bring somebody over. The person they brought over was somebody who won the 10s of thousands of entries they put into the visa lottery. The rule changes the Trump administration put in place made it very difficult for them to play that game.
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