Capitol Rioters Identified Using Facial Recognition Software, Cellphone Records - and Social Media Posts (nbcnews.com) 352
NBC News reports more than 440 Americans have now been charged with storming the U.S. Capitol building on January 6th, with charges now filed against people from 44 of America's 50 states. They describe it as "one of the largest criminal investigations in American history."
The largest number come from Texas, Pennsylvania, and Florida, in that order. Men outnumber women among those arrested by 7 to 1, with an average age of 39, according to figures compiled by the Program on Extremism at George Washington University in Washington, D.C. A total of 44 are military veterans.
Hundreds of arrests happened because rioters later bragged online: In nearly 90 percent of the cases, charges have been based at least in part on a person's own social media accounts.
A New York man, Robert Chapman, bragged on the dating app Bumble that he'd been in the Capitol during the riot. The person he was seeking to date responded, "We are not a match," and notified the FBI.
In fact, the investigative agency has now received "hundreds of thousands" of tips from the public, and has even posted photos of people who participated in the riots online asking for the public's help to identify them.
But NBC also reports that technology is being used to identify participants:
Hundreds of arrests happened because rioters later bragged online: In nearly 90 percent of the cases, charges have been based at least in part on a person's own social media accounts.
A New York man, Robert Chapman, bragged on the dating app Bumble that he'd been in the Capitol during the riot. The person he was seeking to date responded, "We are not a match," and notified the FBI.
In fact, the investigative agency has now received "hundreds of thousands" of tips from the public, and has even posted photos of people who participated in the riots online asking for the public's help to identify them.
But NBC also reports that technology is being used to identify participants:
- "Investigators have also used facial recognition software, comparing images from surveillance cameras and an outpouring of social media and news agency videos against photo databases of the FBI and at least one other federal agency, Customs and Border Protection, according to court documents."
- Investigators "have also subpoenaed records from companies providing cellphone service, allowing agents to tell whether a specific person's phone was inside the Capitol during the siege."
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The largest number come from Texas, Pennsylvania, and Florida, in that order.
The Pennsylvania one is a bit odd. I mean, if someone asked "where do you think they'll be from" I'd have immediately chosen Texas and Florida, but Pennsylvania?
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Pennsylvania is doing its best to be the next Florida man.
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Southwestern Pennsylvania might as well be West Virginia. You'll find more Confederate Flags there than teeth.
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You guys have a nice way of tipping your hand and showing your abject prejudice. We can only hope someday the cancel culture turns on you.
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People flying the flags of the side who lost a war is a bit strange.
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People flying the flags of the side who lost a war is a bit strange.
Only if you forget that these people are racist AF, and the flag was explicitly created as a symbol of white nationalism and the glory of the whites. They think the war is still being fought, and in a very real way, it is. Only now they're fighting it primarily by gaslighting...
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West Virginia exists because when the Civil War broke out, Virginia seceded from the Union and joined the Confederacy. But the people in the western-most part of Virginia were predominantly opposed to slavery - so much so that they voted to secede from Virginia, and formed a new state which remained with the Union - West Virginia. The only reason the state exists is literally because they opposed the Confederacy.
So you won't find Confederate flags there. The bulk of Virginia's economy and tax base at the time was on plantations in the east. The west was mountainous and poor. The residents of the state take pride in knowing that their ancestors made the morally right choice during the Civil War, even though it hurt them economically. The fact that you think the opposite says more about your own bias and prejudices, than that of West Virginians.
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Son, I live on the Virgina-West Virginia border, and I can confirm that West Virginia is full of confederate flags. Maybe in 1889 you might not have seen them, but in 2021 you see them everywhere.
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Once you get away from Philly and Pittsburg and their suburbs, the rest of the state is actually really republican. It's exactly why it has frequently been a swing state in presidential elections because there is truly no way to know how the state will go.
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I do not think I will ever understand people who think that jokes about rape are funny just because they are set in a prison.
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Not only phones. They are able to hack into our 'connected cars'
Those cars are cellphones. They have a cellular radio built into them. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to hack them.
Now do those that destroyed Minneapolis (Score:5, Informative)
https://www.startribune.com/tw... [startribune.com]
Estimated $500M in damage.
Portland, OR, too (Score:2, Informative)
Also do the rioters in Portland, who assaulted federal officers, attacked the federal courthouse, and did millions of dollars of damage to both government and privately owned buildings.
Oh, right, the Biden administration is dismissing all charges against most of them. Because orderly trespass is much worse than trying to burn down a courthouse, blind federal officers, and burn local police to death.
And what are the chances that any rioter will be charged, much less convicted, in a clear case of Antifa brut [oregonlive.com]
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Re:Portland, OR, too (Score:4, Informative)
No one was armed. How would a few thousand people overthrown the US govt without guns?
At least one insurrectionist was armed. There were probably more of them armed than we know about, as well. But guns are irrelevant, frankly. People overthrew governments before they were invented.
The insurrectionists' goal was to interfere with and prevent the certification of the vote, and to pressure Mike Pence into illegally refusing to call the election. They were literally threatening his life to that end, chanting "Hang Mike Pence". They erected a gallows to back up this threat. If they had succeeded in interfering with the process, the delaying tactic and the publicity surrounding it might well have led sufficient people involved with the process to falsely certify the election for Trump. There were attempts to assemble alternate panels of electors for that purpose. The insurrectionists were an only-slightly-witting (As they are equipped with only the slightest of wits) element of a coordinated attempt to steal the election — somewhat ironically but also logically phrased "stop the steal". Republicans generally accuse the other side of specifically what they are doing at any given time, or what they have been doing — Witness for example PizzaGaetz. And gaslighting is a known effective strategy for confusing issues.
Do you need someone to draw you a flowchart?
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Talk about unrelated. You cannot get any more unrelated that lies.
Re:Portland, OR, too (Score:4, Interesting)
Oh, right, the Biden administration is dismissing all charges against most of them.
That is most certainly nonsense. How would that work in a state of law? The administration most certainly has absolutely no influence on what the state attorneys and judges are prosecuting or not.
How can one be so uneducated about his own countries law system?
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The US is a federal system, with criminal laws at both state/local and federal levels. The local prosecutors dropped all charges [katu.com] against violent rioters and looters earlier. That prompted the federal authorities to pursue charges, and those are the charges that I mentioned being dropped.
Next time you accuse someone of being uneducated about something close to them, you might want to step back and check whether you are the one who is missing important facts. Some caution might make you look less like a hu
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Because orderly trespass
I've never seen a post loose so much credibility in just 3 words.
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https://www.kgw.com/mobile/art... [kgw.com]
More recently, but probably paywalled, the number has increased: https://www.wsj.com/articles/a... [wsj.com] . They're not stopping the dismissals.
Re:Portland, OR, too (Score:5, Interesting)
Take it up with the US Attorney then.
"Williams explained decisions are made on a case-by-case basis."
“Everything is case-specific when you go about these cases being processed through the system,” said Williams, who stepped down on Feb. 28. U.S. attorneys are traditionally asked to resign at the start of a new administration.
Federal prosecutors rarely handle protest cases. But when Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt passed on most protest cases saying he was reserving resources for the most serious crimes, the feds stepped in. Then-Attorney General William Barr reportedly instructed federal prosecutors to aggressively pursue protesters deemed violent or destructive.
“I've never made a decision in my career based upon political pressure or institutional pressure,” said Williams.
Re:Now do those that destroyed Minneapolis (Score:5, Informative)
If you are paying attention, people have been arrested and charged in regards to what happened in Minneapolis.
As far as I know, there's been two convictions so far in the precinct fire - neither was from Minneapolis, btw.
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Charging people for actually burning down a police precinct is not comparable to charging people for what is essentially trespass. There were a lot more people in the MPLS rioting who could be charged with lesser crimes. Are they being pursued?
Among the first people to be sentenced or plead guilty over that, two are from St Paul (Wolfe and Turner), and another is from Brainerd (Robinson). Two out of three from the Twin Cities makes "neither was from Minneapolis" seem disingenuous.
Re:Now do those that destroyed Minneapolis (Score:4, Insightful)
Charging people for actually burning down a police precinct is not comparable to charging people for what is essentially trespass.
Intent is always relevant.
Their professed intent was to stop the legal count of a legal vote, in order to change the outcome of the election. Therefore they are insurrectionists by admission and definition.
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Insurrection, n. - a violent uprising against an authority or government.
Destroying a police building in Minneapolis is much more of a violent uprising against government than is petitioning government for a redress of grievances about a supposedly stolen election.
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Congress had to stop certifying the election results because of the capitol riots. That's kind of a big deal. https://archive.is/SNAXR [archive.is]
Re:Now do those that destroyed Minneapolis (Score:4, Interesting)
Minneapolis has pursued 75 cases. Total arrests during the protests were in the hundreds, but in many of those, charges were dropped because the first amendment provided a strong defense.
Quite honestly, arrests could have been higher, but the police were more focused on arresting protesters than rioters and looters. The cynical side of me thinks this may be due to the protesters criticizing the police, while the criminals were victimizing the general population.
Re:Now do those that destroyed Minneapolis (Score:4, Interesting)
What are you even talking about? This information is out there and it's not like MN or the Fed's are not making arrests and filing charges.
Ninety-one people faced state felony charges by December 2020 for burglary connected to looting in late May—35 in Hennepin County and 56 in Ramsey County. All but three of those charged were from Minnesota and most had home addresses in Minneapolis or Saint Paul. Several of those charged pled guilty and two had charges dropped in lieu of participation in a restorative justice program. The number of felony charges were said to represent a small fraction of the total people culpable for rioting and looting during the events in late May 2020.[9]
A 28-year-old man from Saint Paul faced attempted murder charges for allegedly shooting at Minneapolis police on Lake Street during unrest on May 30, 2020.[9]
By February 2021, twenty-two people were charged in federal court in connection to the unrest in late May 2020.[12][10] Only one person had a residential address in Minneapolis, while two were from outside of Minnesota, including an Iowa man charged with illegal gun procession during the unrest.[12]
"By late December 2020, United States Attorney’s office charged 14 people with arson in connection to eight separate fires set in late May 2020. Officials said they had plans to bring forward additional cases as they reviewed more evidence.[9] Two additional suspects, a husband and wife from Rochester, Minnesota, were charged in February 2021 for fires they set in Saint Paul on May 28.[10] All but one of the federal arson suspects-—an Illinois resident—were from Minnesota.[9] Two arson suspects were from Saint Paul, one from Minneapolis, seven from suburban Twin Cities' communities, and others from Brainerd, Rochester, and Staples. Authorities relied largely on video evidence and in some cases on the social media videos that suspects posted of themselves at protests.[9]"
Also it's easy to forget that the BLM protests were by the numbers, the largest civil rights protests in American history. Tens of millions involved and only 3.7% actually involved any property damage, only 1% were police injured.
https://www.radcliffe.harvard.... [harvard.edu]
Funny that people who decry the "MSM" so much always seem to run with their sensationalist and lazy narratives when they like it and can just toss everything else away when they don't.
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Go find them and post them if you are so concerned. Be sure to provide context.
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Maybe if the police stopped murdering (black) people these riots wouldn't happen...
The trials are going to get interesting (Score:2)
Check out this defense [theguardian.com].
I suspect others will subpoena Trump etc to testify in court.
How dumb can people be? (Score:2)
"Hey, let's do something illegal and then post an incriminating photo on social media!"
Re:Facial recognition software? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a tool. There's no difference in technology between the FBI using it to identify the rioters at the Capitol insurrection for arrest and the Chinese government using it to identify protesters in Hong Kong to disappear.
Re:Facial recognition software? (Score:5, Insightful)
Then maybe it should be used to identify the people who rioted and burned and looted all last summer, so they can pay retribution. Because it's just a tool to be used.
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Re:Facial recognition software? (Score:5, Insightful)
Depends on the context. Indiscriminately using it on innocent people in public places is clearly bad. Using it on insurgents and terrorists who posted photos of their crimes on social media... It's targeted and seems proportionate.
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Re:Facial recognition software? (Score:5, Insightful)
Since when is this a partisan issue? Why not do both? Rioted/looted/damaged property? Right or Left toss them in jail.
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Because that clearly isn't happening.
The powers that be are definitely partisan.
Re:Facial recognition software? (Score:5, Insightful)
That is mostly down to the fact that the rioters over the summer for the most case, wore masks and didn't take selfies.
The capital riot folks honestly didn't think they would ever face consequences for their actions.
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Isn't happening? Have you seen the news? My local news has reported dozens arrested for various crimes attributed to riots last year.
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No, mistaken identity could never happen [abc7chicago.com]! The FBI is far too scrupulous [npr.org] to do something like that!
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Re:Facial recognition software? (Score:5, Interesting)
That's a hopeless battle. If you outlaw face recognition, only outlaws will recognize faces with software. You just can't stop it.
You can't stop face recognition from being misused legally, either, but you can at least provide recourse for those against whom it is misused. You can prohibit misuse and provide for actual penalties for organizations which abuse it.
I am very bad at remembering names. I don't see any reason why I shouldn't have computer assistance. Sooner or later we will be able to fit an eyetap into a contact lens and then you will have no idea who is or isn't using such technology in public. But augmenting the brain is frankly one of the best uses for computers, and I for one want to be able to use that technology to help me function — especially in senesence, where many people's memory suffers in any case.
We should be able to solve these problems without a Butlerian Jihad :P
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If you outlaw face recognition, only outlaws will recognize faces with software. /i ... so ... on ...
With tautologies like this, you can simply drop all laws.
Only outlaws will break into houses.
Only outlaws will steal your stuff.
Only outlaws rape people.
Only outlaws murder other people.
And
Re:Facial recognition software? (Score:5, Insightful)
That's a hopeless battle. If you outlaw face recognition, only outlaws will recognize faces with software. You just can't stop it.
Well if you outlaw murder only outlaws will murder. You just can't stop it.
I'm not arguing for outlawing it, but I don't think your reasoning is sound here. If inability to prevent something entirely was reason to not pass a law hen we wouldn't have any laws at all.
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Well if you outlaw murder only outlaws will murder. You just can't stop it.
That's right. You can't stop murder with a law. You can only stop or more realistically reduce it by building a better society. Unfortunately, most people don't want to do that. They're happy with the status quo and afraid to rock the boat, even though the boat is sinking and they have to wear waders to avoid getting their pants wet. They'll be wetting their pants soon enough, but they're in denial about that.
You should make laws against misusing face recognition, but making laws against using it at all are
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That's a hopeless battle. If you outlaw face recognition, only outlaws will recognize faces with software. You just can't stop it.
Will also lead to bad Clint Eastwood movie [wikipedia.org] remakes, like "The Face Recognizer Josey Wales" ...
Re:Facial recognition software? (Score:5, Insightful)
You see the same flawed line of reasoning being used against license plate readers. It's just OCR software running real time with a live camera feed. You can't outlaw it or make it disappear.
I point out to people who are the most vociferous about banning facial recognition technology that they are parroting the same line of reasoning used by government officials who want to ban private encryption. "It can be used by bad people to do bad things, so we have to ban it." They are oblivious to their own cognitive dissonance.
And of course this leads to another observation: the people who complain the most about technological dystopias really have no problem with dystopias at all, provided those dystopias match their own political, religious, or moral viewpoints. You can see it right here on Slashdot, where the same posters who criticized the use of facial recognition against BLM protestors are applauding it when it is used against the U.S. Capitol protestors.
Re:Facial recognition software? (Score:5, Insightful)
Reasonably suspected criminals have less of a right to privacy than the general population. The government can't just look around my house because it wants to. But with a proper warrant for a suspected crime, it can.
Similarly, facial recognition of normal people all the time is bad. But some sort of warrant system for crimes under investigation would be good. In the current case, where anyone recorded indoors by Capitol security cameras is a trespasser or worse (except congresspeople and authorized workers of course), I think facial recognition is appropriate even without a warrant.
Re:Facial recognition software? (Score:5, Insightful)
Nothing ever good has come out of mass surveillance in history so far. I'm saying this coming from a formerly communist country that extensively spied on its own citizens.
I have to admit that seeing some of these "Thin Blue Line" and "nothing to hide nothing to fear" idiots getting a taste of their own poison does feel somewhat satisfying.
Still, despite the temporary schadenfreude here, I hope this serves as a cautionary tale for everyone, who should should realize that we ought to do away which such surveillance. Because next time it could be you, doing something innocuous which for some reason offends the taste of those with authority over you.
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Look who self-identifies as a goat.
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Look who self-identifies as a goat.
I claim a certain level of expertise in such matters. :-)
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Are you talking about black people? Everybody knows facial recognition doesn't work on them.
Really? I thought that was one of the many superpowers that only come with being a member of the great white Aryan master race?!?
Re:Ok, now do CHAZ (Score:4, Insightful)
On the other hand: This is whataboutism you are doing here. It's a case of "I didn't kill him, officer, and by the way, my neighbor doesn't separates his waste."
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There were actual murders at CHAZ/CHOP, as well as a government building being burned down, civil authorities and emergency services being unable to access the area for weeks, business owners and residents being threatened by the occupiers, an armed thug acting like a warlord, and other actual insurrection-like activities.
On Jan 6th there was... Ashli Babbitt. Yes, the differences in scale of both the crimes and the ending investigation are astounding.
Re:Ok, now do CHAZ (Score:4, Interesting)
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Link or you're spewing bullshit.
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My assumption that it's mostly Antifa doing
Are you saying that is wrong?
You answered the question for yourself, but you're too blinded by your own rage to see it.
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So, yes, you are saying it is Antifa and the people who are suckered into following them.
What's the split? 51%? 67%? 90%? Exactly how widespread do you say burning, looting and murdering is among left-wing protest groups, if it's not driven by Antifa?
Re:Ok, now do CHAZ (Score:5, Informative)
According to a study of 7,305 events 96.3% reported no property damage. 97.7% reported no injuries. Only 1% of events resulted in injuries to law enforcement.
https://www.radcliffe.harvard.... [harvard.edu]
Much of the violence was limited to small parts of certain city centers. Certainly Minneapolis is going to stand out considering what happened there and Portland is the most activist city in the entire nation.
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Do you think BLM protesters are the ones throwing Molotov cocktails? Or is it a behavior that is widespread on the left?
I don't know who's throwing Molotov cocktails. The police didn't arrest anyone in relation to it in Seattle, so we didn't have a chance to find out what group[s] they were affiliated with.
Anyone can show up to a peaceful protest and turn it violent. If you have some evidence as to who threw them, by all means share it. If not, your wild speculation is as worthless as anyone else's.
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Maybe she should have complied with the police. You know just like all those black people who were killed...
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On the other hand: This is whataboutism you are doing here.
I never understood why people think “whataboutism” is a bad thing. Our entire legal system is based on whataboutism. Lawyers use the verdicts of previous cases to argue why their current clients should be not guilty.
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You might find the people started the violence, given an excuse for the police to use violent tactics and melted away were off duty policemen and white nationalist cohorts. Identify the actual violent perps is a legitimate tool for rioters.
But police and the right wing prefers "kettling" close all escape routes catch ALL the people violent and non-violent and smear them all with charges and arrests. The off du
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The BLM protesters all should walk with body cams, sit down when violence starts
Thing is that's a great way of getting the living shit beaten out of you by the police.
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57 black members of the House, only 2 are Republican. Only 1 black Republican Senator.
That's certainly just some disconnected data points but it's fairly clear which side of the aisle has animus against black Americans and it shows with the policies they support, the policies they don't support and the public figures they hold to the highest regard.
I remember the 2012 Republican report on what they should do to improve their voting numbers, a majority of which was to do better at reaching out to minorities
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>"AFAIK visiting the state capital building is not a crime and the vast majority of the people who went there did nothing, except stand around and gawk at everybody else."
I have to assume they are only charging people who went beyond some point, like the grounds of the building, or on/in the building. Just being in the assembly/protest was certainly no crime (prior to the riot, unless they didn't leave). There were at least 30,000 people at the protest/event and 99% of them had no part in the riot at a
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Most countries have around their "Capitol" a several miles radius banned area for protests.
No idea how that is in the US. But I would imagine that protesting masses entering the property is not allowed.
Re: What they being charged with? (Score:2)
What countries don't allow it? Surely protesting outside of the seat of government is an important act in any democracy? The key being whether they're peaceful or not and how the police manage the situation.
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Really? So how come I've seen on the news, for example, two or three rallies in the past year at the Reichstag in Berlin?
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Re:What they being charged with? (Score:5, Insightful)
"hundreds of protesters crossed police lines to gather on the steps of the Senate, chanting, 'November is coming.'
Right so they were waiting for democracy to do it's job, not trying to overturn the result when they couldn't accept losing by 7 million votes.
Re:What they being charged with? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, intent matters.
One demonstration had angry people. The other had angry people trying to overturn democracy. The latter is much worse than the former.
Re:What they being charged with? (Score:5, Interesting)
Mostly they are being charged with trespassing, disorderly conduct, or similar charges.
It's also the national capitol building, and it was closed to the public at the time both because of Covid and because of concerns about this kind of thing. (Obviously, the Capitol Police decided there wasn't enough threat to fully deploy that day, or to accept offers for the National Guard to help in advance.)
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I've read that some of these people are being held in prison, some even in solitary confinement. Seems completely disproportionate to "trespassing, disorderly conduct, or similar charges." What's the story there?
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Can you point to what you read about that? Many of them have been released until trial. People who are held before trial are typically kept in jails rather than prisons, and I haven't heard before about solitary confinement for these cases.
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AFAIK visiting the state capital building is not a crime and the vast majority of the people who went there did nothing, except stand around and gawk at everybody else.
Here's a complete list https://www.insider.com/all-th... [insider.com] annoyingly made, 58 pages. But I haven't found anything more readable that is complete.
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Try and walk into an active session of Congress and see how far you get.
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Ah the fantasy that somehow having three guns will protect you against all of your fears, realistic or not.
Re: BUY A GUN, ACTUALLY BUY THREE GUNS (Score:2)
Go ahead, buy three guns. Buy more! It might help get you removed from the gene pool faster. Or, as you suggested, buy a guy: you might get more pleasure and happiness out of that.
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I used a web search engine and immediately found this [yahoo.com] and this [fox17.com].
You should be careful to avoid bringing up conspiracies and stoking racial tensions when the facts are so easily verifiable.
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The kind of people who believed Donald Trump when he said the election was stolen are probably the same kind of people who still believe COVID-19 is a hoax.
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Trump was so dumb he never thought to start selling official Trump brand face masks. He could have sold millions of them.
Re:Why don't they do this to Antifa ? (Score:5, Informative)
By August 2020 there were over 500 arrests in Portland alone, by November the number was over 1000. Where do you get this idea that the local police and AG office just sit on their hands?
https://apnews.com/article/or-... [apnews.com].
Re:Why don't they do this to Antifa ? (Score:4, Insightful)
Where do you get this idea that the local police and AG office just sit on their hands?
From Faux news and from their own fevered imaginations, where they make shit up in order to justify their outrage so they can go on to justify any idiotic racist bullshit they need to believe in order to continue supporting oppression, including their own.
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