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YouTube Punishes Brazil's President For Spreading Lies About COVID (vice.com) 113

YouTube has removed videos posted by Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro for violating its content policies, in the strongest measure yet that tech giants in the social media-loving country have taken toward censoring the president. VICE News reports: YouTube has said that if Bolsonaro breaks the video-sharing service's rules again, his channel may be suspended for a week and, in case of recurrence, he should be permanently banned. The video platform told the far-right leader last week that 15 of his videos had been removed from his channel for spreading COVID-19 misinformation -- some of which promoted quack coronavirus cures that critics say can sometimes cause collateral health damages like kidney failure.

The news came days after the president was discharged from hospital after undergoing treatment for an intestinal blockage that provoked a 10-day hiccup attack that hindered his ability to speak. President Bolsonaro has so far remained silent on YouTube's decision, but he's been increasingly vocal in railing against lockdowns, stirring vaccine suspicions and COVID-related hoaxes, ridiculing people for wearing masks and downplaying the dangers of the virus as "a little flu." Last year, the former army captain accused the press of "tricking" citizens about the severity of the virus. Over 550,502 Brazilians have died from COVID-19, making the country's outbreak the world's second-deadliest after the U.S.

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YouTube Punishes Brazil's President For Spreading Lies About COVID

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    • You say that, but... I had something like that happen once and it sucked. After maybe two weeks of intermittent activity I sneezed and that caused me to see bright white stars as a muscle had been so fatigued that the sneeze was kind of the last straw. I spent most of the rest of the day in a good amount of pain and it took several days to really get back to normal.

  • The New Pravda (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Terrigena ( 782337 )
    How many times have these arbiters of truth been shown to have either misrepresented the truth, overtly lied, made calls that were premature, or engaged in outright propaganda and slander of medical and scientific professionals who were raising concerns or valid evidence of scientific interest?

    In a corporatocracy or technocracy, censorship and propaganda are not only reserved for government. Media and tech giant coziness with government is an existential threat to public debate, free thought, open discou
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by omnichad ( 1198475 )

      This reads like an argument in favor of preferential treatment for government propaganda. I'm not sure what your actual goal was, but that's the message you appear to be giving.

      • Re:The New Pravda (Score:5, Informative)

        by tlhIngan ( 30335 ) <slashdot@worf.ERDOSnet minus math_god> on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @03:14AM (#61628771)

        This reads like an argument in favor of preferential treatment for government propaganda. I'm not sure what your actual goal was, but that's the message you appear to be giving.

        The irony being that YouTube is basically censoring government propaganda - that's what they've removed.

        The hard part is trying to figure out the truth from the lies, and really, the only thing you can fall back on is knowledge.

        We know what vaccines do and how they do it (knowledge of this is actually several centuries old, though we understand how only just over a century ago), and these "new" (really, they're 50 years old by now) mRNA vaccines do the same thing in a different way. Thus, a reasonable conclusion is that since vaccines work, the way forward is to get vaccinated against COVID.

        People promoting alternative medications - well, if they worked, we'd be doing it everywhere by now. HCQ shots would be available if they really worked, as would anyone injecting bleach into their veins.

        But since none of this is happening publicly, your own choice is, it either doesn't work, or it's a massive conspiracy because...? (If you can come up with a good theory why HCQ shots are not publicly available that are cogent and logical, well, I'd like to hear it. And as a result, I'd also like to see the crowds banging at the gates trying to get HCQ shots).

        Same goes with other things. The moon landing - is it real or fake? I highly doubt it's fake, simply because if it was a conspiracy, you're saying over half a million people are keeping a secret? And you're also saying Russia is keeping it a secret as well even though they'd love to expose it as a fraud?

        There aren't many reasons to keep a conspiracy - money and prestige are about the only ones. Someone keeping a secret to make more profit? That's a good possibility. Someone keeping it secret because it's embarassing? Also likely, though if anyone unrelated gets the news, they'd have a hard time keeping it a secret without a profit motive (i.e., blackmail). And I'd have a hard time accepting the US is paying billions of dollars every year to have the Russians keep quiet about the moon landing being faked. (That also requires a lot of people to keep a secret, and we all know how well government does at that).

  • some of which promoted quack coronavirus cures that critics say can sometimes cause collateral health damages like kidney failure.

    I wonder what other "cure" can "sometimes" cause collateral health damages, like thrombosis and myocarditis...

    If you take medical advice from a nation's president you have lost it anyway, but I'd rather not have YouTube (designed explicitly to get people hooked to it) decide which health tips are "good" for you and which aren't. Open debate and flow of information is never a bad thing.

    • by OldUserBackAgain ( 6505346 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:32AM (#61628605)

      Open debate and flow of information is never a bad thing.

      You couldn't be more right, but desinformation is per definition NOT information rather the prevention of flow of information by purposefully inserting false information. Together with lies they are the antithesis of open debate. So allowing blatant lies and disinformation is preventing what you, and I, want–that open debate.

      I used to be a very extreme free speech proponent, but the last couple of years have swayed me. Just as you cannot have an honest discussion with an internet troll, you cannot have an open debate with someone intent on spreading lies and without any inclination to be able to change their mind. Without willingness to listen, the ability to change your mind and the humility to admit that your point of view might not be fully correct open debate cannot exist. Open debate is not two entrenched extremes slinging mud at the other side while trying to rally a third party listener to their "cause". Or even worse, a mob crowd waiting to do some real damage to anyone they do not agree with.

      Having said that, if anyone believe I am wrong: I am willing to listen, open to changing my mind and humble enough to say that what I just wrote might not be the full truth. But please then convince me, while at the same time have that very same intentions I enter the open debate with.

      • by Jason Levine ( 196982 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @07:42AM (#61629357) Homepage

        "Open debate" also assumes there are two sides of every issue. This isn't always the case. To give an example, back when I was in college my school newspaper decided to run an ad from a Holocaust denier that said that the Holocaust never happened. I confronted the editor asking why he chose to publish that. He answered that he wanted to show both sides of the issue. Except there weren't "two sides" here. The Holocaust provably happened. Saying it didn't isn't "another side", it's straight out false.

        With COVID-19, we know many things due to science. Yes, early on information was sketchy and changing. Maybe some people could have been forgiven then for thinking A when the science had moved on to B. Now, though, we know much more about COVID-19. It is a deadly disease - having killed over 4 million people worldwide. There are also people who survive, but with severe medical issues (heart and lung damage). If you can avoid COVID-19 then it's much better than getting it and rolling the dice on whether you'll be fine, survive with heart/lung damage, or die. We also know that the vaccines work and are safe. Although each new variant seems to reduce their effectiveness, they are better than nothing and we might be able to improve the effectiveness with boosters. (This is still being hashed out.)

        In any case, the pandemic would be a lot less severe if everyone who could be vaccinated was vaccinated. Anyone saying "the vaccines have tracking microchips in them," "the vaccine turns you magnetic," "people who get the vaccine die in 2 months," or any of the dozens of other conspiracy theories out there aren't "the other side of the story." They're spreading false information and actually helping the virus to spread.

        • "Open debate" also assumes there are two sides of every issue. This isn't always the case. To give an example, back when I was in college my school newspaper decided to run an ad from a Holocaust denier that said that the Holocaust never happened. I confronted the editor asking why he chose to publish that. He answered that he wanted to show both sides of the issue. Except there weren't "two sides" here. The Holocaust provably happened. Saying it didn't isn't "another side", it's straight out false.

          This reminds me of a certain bit of mathematics I've noticed that plays out beautifully in the Intelligence Squared podcast [intelligen...aredus.org].

          Basically, a question is posed, the audience votes for or against (or undecided), they have a debate, and then people vote again. The side that gained more votes is declared winner.

          By far the most reliable ways to predict the winner is to look at the before votes. For instance, in this vote [intelligen...aredus.org] the split was 66% for, 14% against, and 21% undecided (66-14-21). That means the "for" side only

      • Think you're wrong about what? That it would be great if people were nicer? You didn't say much else but sure, that would indeed be great. As for the open debate... Nobody wants that. Not even you, giving yourself an out by justifying silencing people by labeling them spreaders of "misinformation". You might've convinced yourself it's about enabling open debate but I suggest you reevaluate your position again. This time perhaps just by being honest to yourself about wanting to silence people you dislike.
        • Think you're wrong about what?

          What an open debate is.

          As for the open debate... Nobody wants that. Not even you, giving yourself an out by justifying silencing people by labeling them spreaders of "misinformation".

          I am all for an open debate, but you can only have an open debate if the people participating are willing to have an open debate, and as Jason Levine pointed out a few posts back [slashdot.org] that there is two sides (actually I would say more than one side). Inventing "facts" does not make up for one side, so having an open debate on facts is pointless. An open debate on the interpretation of facts is something else and usually what we do debate.

          So in order to have that open debate, we cannot have

          • And there we go. Calling me a conspiracy theorist and violent (despite me explicitly saying i was against violence) at the slightest sign of disagreement. I rest my case.
            • And there we go. Calling me a conspiracy theorist and violent (despite me explicitly saying i was against violence) at the slightest sign of disagreement. I rest my case.

              Where did I call you a conspiracy theorist? You might want to reread my post. I said that, there are people I don't bother to engage in debate with, but since I am engaging with you this should be a proof that I do not (at least yet) consider you to be one.

              And you might say be against violence but you called for the end of talking and inevitability of violence, a stance I vehemently oppose. A debate should never lead to war. From your previous post:

              Enough is enough. So no, there will be no more discussions. No more talking. [...] It will end in civil war.

              So "rest" your case all you want, but you misinterpret me.

        • by tragedy ( 27079 )

          The ship has sailed. After years of attempting a real discussion and instead being met with instantly being called deplorable if not falling in line and agreeing with all of the radical left, it's over.

          Wow, right off the bat you're simultaneously making a straw man argument and also trying to claim ownership of position that it's bad to cede too much power to big corporations.

    • I wonder what other "cure" can "sometimes" cause collateral health damages, like thrombosis and myocarditis...

      Walking. You can have both while walking, which is a treatment doctors now and then recommend for a number of ailments.

      And now that you have this really concerning bit of information, what will you do about it?

      I mean, you could use mathematical tools, such as statistics or cost-benefit analysis, to figure out a few things about it, but who wants to spend that much effort when declaring, wide eyed with voice trembling of terror, how super evil the conspiracy is, results in gaining so many more virtue signali

    • by tragedy ( 27079 )

      I wonder what other "cure" can "sometimes" cause collateral health damages, like thrombosis and myocarditis...

      I'm not aware of any that could cause those particular collateral health issues and are also cures. There's the vaccines, but vaccines are not cures.

      It's worth noting here that a medication that does not cause medical problems in some cases is basically non-existent. A simple test to see if you should use the medication anyway is to compare it to the risks of not taking the medication. Looking just at death, more people have died in the US already from Covid than would from both vaccine side effects plus Co

    • Science ALREADY decided this, Youtube is just doing their part to ensure science gets its objectively-correct word in.

  • Take a look at the Board of Directors of Pfizer here and pay attention to the following two people:
    1) James Smith worked his entire life as CEO of Reuters up to 2020
    2) Scott Gottleib, former FDA chairman(appointed by TRUMP) and board member of a company named Illumina Inc.

    1) Trump authorizes Operation Warpspeed, allowing Pfizer's and hence Gottleib's products, to be spread by the military out of all things.
    2) Trump makes Gottleib chair of FDA in 2017 despite being aware of his potential conflict of interest

  • “Our policies do not allow content that claims that hydroxychloroquine and / or ivermectin are effective in treating or preventing Covid-19, claims that there is a guaranteed cure for Covid-19, and claims that masks do not work to prevent the spread of Covid-19. virus, “YouTube said in a statement.” This is in line with guidance from local and global health authorities, and we update our policies as guidance changes. “

  • It's in 10 place, compared the US's 21st place. Using the deaths per million values from worldometers [worldometers.info].

    Total deaths is a useless statistic due to population differences. So are case counts, due to testing bias.
  • Simple, leave Youtube and start posting somewhere else. There are a bunch of SN that will accept someone with 5M views very quickly, regardless of what he is saying, It's a business after all, and if a lot of people start to do that Youtube(google) will review their ToS very quickly...
  • "Where there is a great deal of free speech there is always a certain amount of foolish speech" --Sir Winston Churchill (b. 1874)

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