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Wikipedia Bans Seven Chinese Users Amid Concerns of 'Infiltration, Physical Harm' (theregister.com) 36

Thelasko writes: The Wikimedia Foundation has revealed efforts to gather personal information on some Chinese Wikipedia editors by entities opposed to their activities on the platform and likely to threaten the targets' privacy or well-being. The foundation's response has been to ban seven users in mainland China, cancel sysop privileges for another dozen, and warn plenty more Wikipedia editors to modify their behaviour. The bans and warnings were revealed in a Monday letter from Maggie Dennis, the foundation's vice president of community resilience and sustainability. This move followed the detection of what Dennis described in a statement as "information about infiltration of Wikimedia systems, including positions with access to personally identifiable information and elected bodies of influence."

The foundation contracted a security firm, which assessed that the ongoing situation "placed multiple users at risk." Dennis's letter describes the exposure of personal information of Chinese editors, and states "we know that some users have been physically harmed as a result." The Wikimedia Foundation therefore decided some of the perpetrators had to be sanctioned. "We have banned seven users and desysopped a further 12 as a result of long and deep investigations into activities around some members of the unrecognized group Wikimedians of Mainland China," Dennis wrote. "We have also reached out to a number of other editors with explanations around canvassing guidelines and doxing policies and requests to modify their behaviors." The letter and statement don't explain the source of the conflict, but do mention "recent world events" as one catalyst.

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Wikipedia Bans Seven Chinese Users Amid Concerns of 'Infiltration, Physical Harm'

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  • by Ostracus ( 1354233 ) on Thursday September 16, 2021 @03:11PM (#61802487) Journal

    This move followed the detection of what Dennis described in a statement as "information about infiltration of Wikimedia systems, including positions with access to personally identifiable information and elected bodies of influence."

    2021 seems to be the year of breaking into computers for the purposes of influence.

    Back in my day it was a darkened room and a rubber hose.

    • by systemd-anonymousd ( 6652324 ) on Thursday September 16, 2021 @04:23PM (#61802661)

      Hopefully 2021 is the year of NOTICING people breaking into computers for the purposes of influence.

      But really, it's more like "using systems within their stated rules and guidelines, but creating political influence." And I wish Wikipedia would ban about ten thousand editors who are clearly doing this, but domestically.

      It's depressing browsing deletionpedia. Or go to a page for a recently political topic and view history, and compare if from a few years ago to what it is now.

      • It's depressing browsing deletionpedia. Or go to a page for a recently political topic and view history, and compare if from a few years ago to what it is now.

        I'm not familiar with that site but I'm assuming it's similar to the old photographs from the Soviet Union where people would slowly disappear. Did some people miss the point of the book when they had to read 1984 in high school?

        • Did some people miss the point of the book when they had to read 1984 in high school?

          No, not at all, but they took it as a How-To instead of a lesson on something to be prevented.

          (And, no, I'm not the first one to make that observation.)

      • People still believe those influenzas on YouTube that the crap they hawk and peddle is really something they really, really like. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I was you.

    • Isn't this how all technology moves forward?
      • experimental curiosity and prototypes
      • rich early adopters
      • status symbol
      • rich general adoption
      • middle-class adoption
      • lower-class adoption
      • a few release cycles
      • expectation of ubiquity
      • infrastructure
      • building on as a foundation
      • universal reliance
      • public policy
      • attacks
      • ... ?
      • Isn't this how all technology moves forward?

        • experimental curiosity and prototypes
        • rich early adopters
        • stupid senator: "What good is it, anyway?"
        • "Sir, in 20 years, you'll be taxing it."
        • status symbol
        • rich general adoption
        • middle-class adoption
        • lower-class adoption
        • a few release cycles
        • taxation
        • "You aren't paying your fair share!"
        • more taxation
        • expectation of ubiquity
        • pandering stupid senator: "Poor people and access subsidies now!"
        • ['You're a kind humanitarian!' applause by concerned businesses lined up to receive it]
        • infrastructure
        • building on as a foundation
        • universal reliance
        • public policy
        • attacks
        • ... ?

        Ftfy

    • Yes, but now the whole world is the dark room and that rubber hose is intercontinental.

  • by Fuzi719 ( 1107665 ) on Thursday September 16, 2021 @03:55PM (#61802601)
    China is a pernicious, metastasizing cancer upon the rest of the world. Minimizing and overlooking the threat it poses everywhere is a serious mistake.
    • by Subsentient ( 6901388 ) on Thursday September 16, 2021 @04:34PM (#61802679)
      This guy gets it. As awful and imperialistic and abusive as the USA can be, if China becomes the world's superpower, you will *all* be pining desperately for the days of Burgerland rule.
      • Can we have none of the two? Everyone living happily within the bounds of his own country without foreign interference?
        • Everyone living happily within the bounds of his own country without foreign interference?

          Can I haz pony? With wings and single horn?

          • Maybe a pony is excessive, but... can I go to a wedding without being disemboweled by an American drone? Can I vote for my desired government without the Americans replacing it with a fascist dictatorship? Can I take a train without fear of American-sponsored terrorism blowing it to pieces? These kinds of things.
            • Have you ever been to a wedding? Then yes, you can.

              Oh, you've never even been to a wedding, so you don't know if you can?

              Are you a terrorist? Have you been planning attacks terrorist attacks lately? Did you invite all your terrorist friends to your daughter's wedding? This sounds like a legit military command and control target to me!

              Terrorists bring their families to the war. That puts them at risk of being bombed. Whine as loud as you want; everybody else still can have a wedding with no problems. Food po

              • Teach yourself respect and then come back to talk with us grown-ups, kid.
              • What label do you think George Washington would bear if the independence war had been won by the Brits?

                A freedom fighter is a terrorist that won.

                • Washington and all signers of the Declaration of Independence knew quite well they would be hung as traitors if they lost. Hence, âoeAnd for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." Three things they knew the British would relieve them of.
            • I canâ(TM)t help but notice that when people talk about the US being bad for toppling this or that government and installing someone friendly they never mention how the USSR was doing the exact same thing. It sucks, but smaller nations were the battleground during the Cold War. The Russians would rig an election, we would back a coup. When a leader the US backed won, the Russians would start a guerrilla war.

              Itâ(TM)s like condemning the Allies for fire bombing Dresden without acknowledging th

        • Sorry, that's not in the cards.

          I just want the Soviet Union back. They basically ensured our freedom because back when it existed, our wannabe tinpot dictators had to pretend they're the good guys.

          • They never stopped pretending; it was really the same back then. Communist threat => extraordinary measures needed. Just as a reminder, look at some [i.redd.it] of the good guys [insider.com] back then.
        • I'm a dual national, with family and other immediate personal connections in 3 countries. I'm not at all alone in this respect. But thanks for playing.

          • It's cool, but it has nothing to do with my comment. We're discussing imperialism. The post I was replying to stated that some kinds of imperialism are better than others, which is arguably true. My reply states that the only just amount of imperialism is none.
        • Not so long as nations share borders, commerce or ideas.
      • by Tailhook ( 98486 )

        if China becomes the world's superpower

        It already is. Nothing of note happens in this world without China's at least tacit approval. No leader or decision maker anywhere — including all of our leaders in the US — say or do anything without thinking about how China will feel about it.

        • Often during the course of my day I stop to think, what would Winnie the Pooh do?
        • if China becomes the world's superpower

          It already is. Nothing of note happens in this world without China's at least tacit approval. No leader or decision maker anywhere — including all of our leaders in the US — say or do anything without thinking about how China will feel about it.

          China is not what is conventionally thought of as a superpower, despite possessing nuclear weapons for half a century, but they are indisputably a world power, something which should be acknowledged more often, for their benefit. China has been visibly yearning for international acknowledgement. Their space program is quite obviously an international prestige program, and a successful one. Their Lunar and Mars rovers are very visible demonstrations of top tier engineering and project management prowess.

          M

  • by thesjaakspoiler ( 4782965 ) on Thursday September 16, 2021 @06:57PM (#61803005)

    They identified 300 potential bad actors but as usual the in-crowd fighting at Wikimedia over who's opinion is the most righteous paralyses all decision making.
    Just like with any edit made Wikipedia, there is always some superior not agreeing with you just for the sake of disagreeing.

  • Yeah, like this will really do a lot of good. MSS has plenty of others either working there, or ready to go.

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