UK Publishes 10-Year Plan To Become 'AI Superpower,' Seeking To Rival US and China (cnbc.com) 108
New submitter iarlakd writes: The U.K. government on Wednesday released its 10-year plan to make the country a global "artificial intelligence superpower," seeking to rival the likes of the U.S. and China. The so-called "National Artificial Intelligence Strategy" is designed to boost the use of AI among the nation's businesses, attract international investment into British AI companies and develop the next generation of homegrown tech talent. "Today we're laying the foundations for the next ten years' growth with a strategy to help us seize the potential of artificial intelligence and play a leading role in shaping the way the world governs it," Chris Philp, a minister of the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, said in a statement. The National AI Strategy includes a number of programs, reports and initiatives. Among them, a new National AI Research and Innovation program will be launched as part of an effort to improve coordination and collaboration between the country's researchers. Elsewhere, another program will specifically aim to support AI development outside London and Southeast England, where much of the nation's AI efforts are currently concentrated.
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UK based AI will act like it wants to be your pal and rip you off incessantly, masses of humans will become upset over time
Only if you can get it to stop whinging about the weather.
Competing foci of the Big Nine (Score:2)
You [serviscope_minor] got me to look at the AC. What aspect of the comment was so shameful that AC didn't want a handle associated with it? Or is it more like the stopped clock being correct twice or zero times per day? (The digital clock shows nothing when stopped.)
Almost finished with The Big Nine by Amy Webb on just this topic. Six of the nine are gigantic American companies that are primarily concerned about and driven by short-term projects producing profits, and three of the nine of are gigantic Ch
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You [serviscope_minor] got me to look at the AC. What aspect of the comment was so shameful that AC didn't want a handle associated with it?
there is no reason required to post anonymously.
Regarding the story, I can't recall having heard of any interesting AI work going on in the UK lately. They did have a good foundation, but it seems like an empty castle on top. What have I missed in recent British news related to AI? As in the last 15 or 20 years.
dunno, has uk done something noteworthy in any science field in the last 100-150 years, say since maxwell or faraday? oh, wait, yes, alan turing, the poor guy they nearly stoned to death ...
now serious, this is a general trend, not only in the uk. every big city wants to be a research hub, and there is loads of private cash lying around idle atm. so you make a bit of promo and show a bit public funding to attract more private investment to build a hub and cri
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Both of your substantive points were actually addressed quite directly in the book, in spite of its weaknesses. However I'll reword them a bit.
One problem is the short-term focus of the kind of investments you describe. The VCs know that most of their investments are going to flop, but they don't much care as long as the positive returns come quickly. That means the six non-Chinese AI companies are driven to develop short-term projects with quick profits. (Even when they aren't directly funded by VCs, they
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Unfortunately one of the weaknesses of the book is the lack of feasible solution approaches.
well, an accurate diagnose is always a good start. sounds interesting, thanks for the tip-off, i might have a look!
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I've started seeing it differently First the scenario of something that is different and better, and then the problem is defined in terms of what could be changed. If you start looking for problems first, it's too easy to get distracted by imperfect things that just have to be endured.
Which is actually one of the criticisms of her book. So far the scenario for improvement has been quite unconvincing. But I think the bigger problem is the excessive focus on diversity. Or is it the weakness in details about w
Re:what are the odds? (Score:5, Insightful)
You mean they are consequences for breaking an established trade relations?
I see this as a bunch of kids playing a game, one kid doesn't want to play by those rules, so gets out of the game. Then to complain that the other kids are not playing with him.
Nationalism give people a fake sense of power, which is why it is attractive. Oh look I can do what I want, because my nation is so great. However, by going that way they disrupt many of their external support mechanisms, such as supply chain, and a cultural exchange, which pushes the status quo towards progress. Which the nation while they may think they are so powerful and autonomous, are finding itself getting behind and more vulnerable.
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You might want to review the last 1000 years of history. Up until the World Wars, Great Britain did pretty damned good for itself without being a member of any European Union.
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Oh right, so all we need is for the Americas to become barely inhabited again so we can conquer much of them again, Asia, and Africa to be suffering from withering poverty once more, slavery to become acceptable again, and Brexit will be a success. Right. Glad we have you to help us fix this thus far failed project. Return to the Elizabethan era, now all we need from your genius is a time machine, think you could make that happen? Nope? Oh well, back to the drawing board for you I guess - maybe we could con
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Having stupid or unlucky enemies is not quite the same thing as doing "pretty damned good". I'm even willing to stipulate that the worst enemies were downright insane.
Am I not merciful?
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It also had an empire stretching across the globe, until they suffered revolts and shrunk it back down to an island, and a northern part of an an other island.
They were doing well, because the size of their empire so they had a large supply chain. After the empire fell, by the 20th century GB was still a powerful European Nation, however the other nations were just as powerful if not more.
Now for many of those areas part of the empire that broke away, they didn't have an easy transition, Including the Unit
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You might want to review the last 1000 years of history. Up until the World Wars, Great Britain did pretty damned good for itself without being a member of any European Union.
Ok so starting, say 1000 years ago, well, 955 years ago, got invaded permanently.
Doing real well so far...
Europe is littered with the brown dwarfs of fallen Empires: Portugal, France, Spain, the Netherlands, Italy, Denmark, Prussia, Venice, Genoa and even Belgium had a crack at it and not a single one of which has risen to become a gr
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So the Soviet Union (Score:2)
But I think the real problem is a combination of Thatcher's extremely bad policies and the basic reality that a large number of immigrants contribute heavily to the country's GDP but because of decades of trickle down economics none of that wealth is making it to the average worker. All they're seeing is that they have to compete in
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The problem with the Trickle down theory, is it doesn't account for gap between the rich and the upper middle class.
If you pay an educated killed worker more, that will trickle down, as they will have a real improvement in the quality of life, thus will buy more.
If you pay a billionaire, they will just invest it with other billionaires, and only a small portion of the invested amount into the billionaires will actually trickle down.
The flaw with the 1980's Trickle down that was popular, was the fact only w
Re: what are the odds? (Score:2)
There are no food shortages and the HGV driver shortage is just as acute in Europe as is the gas shortage due to the Russians turning down the tap in order to make a point to Germany about nordstream 2. But dont let facts get in the way of your little remoaner rant eh?
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> There are no food shortages
Try leaving your basement and going to a supermarket, you can't miss the many empty shelves. There's a reason it's in the press, not because "remoaners" are out to get you Brexitards, but because you've fucked up, and at some point will have to accept the reality of your stupidity. Failing that, if going outside really is just that bit too hard for you, try the press, here, I'll leave you links from all sides of the spectrum so you can go to your favoured group-think outlet i
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I've just been to the supermarket and there were precisely zero empty shelves so believe the papers if you want but clearly mummy does your shopping for you.
HGVs
https://www.globalcoldchainnew... [globalcoldchainnews.com]
And if you think I'm going to defend the tories over energy policy think again but thats got jack shit to do with brexit and if calling people who voted brexit thick is your coping mechanism knock yourself out, you're the one who comes across as the tit.
Like most people I voted out to stop EU immigration and my local
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"What is it you favour about Bangladeshi's over Polish people?"
We didn't suddenly get 4 million (google it) bangladeshis rock up like we did eastern europeans. Approx half the igors and olgas have cleared off and not come back. Fine by me.
"So here we are, with a country going down the pan because of your stupidity"
You need to stop reading the guardian for 5 mins and get out into the real world.
"And no, the coffee shops aren't staffed by Brits"
See above sonny.
But keep on parroting the liberal left party line
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Try leaving your basement and going to a supermarket, you can't miss the many empty shelves
I've been to several. No empty shelves. Stop parroting divisive propaganda.
As for 'all sides of the spectrum' sure, if you mean 'all sides of the pro-EU spectrum'. Brexit didn't cause a European wide shortage of HGV drivers, Brexit didn't cause a COVID 'pingdemic', Brexit didn't cause a container shortage, Brexit didn't cause the US to abandon its energy independence and put extra demands on other world energy supplies, Brexit didn't cause the change in weather that's led to a deficit in renewal energy.
we've lost about 400,000 Europeans because of Brexit that have gone home to Europe, many of whom were polish truckers
If 4
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"There are no food shortages and the HGV driver shortage is just as acute in Europe as is the gas shortage due to the Russians turning down the tap in order to make a point to Germany about nordstream 2"
You're full of shit.
North Stream 2 was finished 2 weeks ago, no point to make by anybody anymore, not the UK, the US or Tuvalu.
PS: There are shortages everywhere, you should go out more.
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>PS: There are shortages everywhere, you should go out more.
Yep. I'm visiting the UK right now and the yoghurt aisle at Tescos is a disgrace.
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PS: There are shortages everywhere
If so, then the UK is doing it wrong.
In a properly functioning capitalist economy, there are no shortages, only price increases.
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"North Stream 2 was finished 2 weeks ago, no point to make by anybody anymore, not the UK, the US or Tuvalu"
Ah the naivety , bless :) Its almost comical.
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PS: There are shortages everywhere, you should go out more.
I haven't seen any. My friends haven't seen any. My work colleagues haven't seen any.
You must have an interesting definition of 'everywhere' because it seems to be 'everywhere that people across the country aren't looking'.
Re: what are the odds? (Score:2)
The French AI will be on strike most of the time and the Thai will taste better.
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Is it too much to ask for an AI that is just FASCINATED with people and feels a strong need to keep them happy and playful?
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Is it too much to ask for an AI that is just FASCINATED with people and feels a strong need to keep them happy and playful?
Yeah, that's the creepy AI
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I think the other option is that they decide we are a redundant waste of resources and just cut us out like an appendix
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Israel just announced to the world, they can deploy drones all around the world, leave them sleeping in cardboard boxes and launch strikes agai
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While your assessment of the military threat is credible this announcement will be at best tangentially linked to military security.
The primary driver is economic security, trying to keep the UK economy relevant and buoyant in a changing world. The UK was a world leading high-tech economy from the start of the industrial revolution right through to the 1960s and trying to rebuild that capability (while retaining what little we have left) is seen as key to economic success.
Without the economy, you can't affo
Cool (Score:2)
The rhetoric is ignorant ("AI Superpower" is kind of a meaningless concept), but the more funding gets put towards basic research, the better.
We all win.
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or they imagine throwing money at a fictional concept will make it a reality, and it turns out to be a waste.
Really nothing new in AI since the 1960s, all been done before, but we have faster hardware now.
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Really nothing new in AI since the 1960s, all been done before, but we have faster hardware now.
Well, since the 1960s there's been some improvement in theory for sure.
Since the late 1980s the improvements have either been refinements, faster hardware, or finding out things that don't work.
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Software is progressing nicely, but I think the next major step will be along the lines of neuromorphic computing and the use of memristors in neuromorphic devices.
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No, algorithmically anything that can be done in hardware can also be done in software. New hardware will make it faster but that is all.
That is a fundamental theorem of computer science.
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You are clearly moving the goalposts since many intended uses of 'Artificial Intelligence' from the 50's are already commercial products
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The useful products are doing nested case statements essentially. Remaining ones are marketing hype and hooey, except for ones achieving things such as running over and killing bag ladies and becoming racist chat bots.
What a farce, mostly smoke and mirrors.
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Here is a list of recent developments from wikipedia [wikipedia.org]
These include processing of visual images, driving, playing human games, etc... and largely go well beyond case statements
Date Development
2010 Microsoft launched Kinect for Xbox 360, the first gaming device to track human body movement, using just a 3D camera and infra-red detection, enabling users to play their Xbox 360 wirelessly. The award-winning machine learning for human motion capture technology for this device was developed by the Computer Vi
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You only prove my point and that you are ignorant of the subject. Some of that isn't even claimed to be AI at all, the rest is just old 60s algorithms on fast hardware. And yes half of that is nested case statement crap.
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or they imagine throwing money at a fictional concept will make it a reality, and it turns out to be a waste.
This is more or less exactly what Japan did in the 1980s [wikipedia.org] which may in a sense be part of the way they lost their technological lead or at least confidence in their lead.
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AI researchers have plenty of models, what they need are newer computing models to run on, just the inclusion of petaflops of processing power have allowed Tesla to make advancements in self driving, and pushing forward with memristor designs would allow better modeling of neuron behavior
These are all incremental advancements
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That depends upon who the AI work for.
If you are not someone who supports or develops AI -- then you might be losing your job to AI. While sure, in the PAST, new technology might have provided new opportunities -- I don't know how the people who run the register or drive the trucks are going to find a way to be useful in this brave new world of AI. Even "dumb AI" will be able to do the "shovel" jobs. They will clean the houses. They will assist with caring for the elderly. They will COMPETE for the cost of
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ok I'm going to make AI that replaces jobs. I also make non-AI computer software that replaces jobs. So if you're looking for something to scare me, you need something else.
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I for one welcome our AI kindergarten teachers
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I predict they are first going to be in huggable Teddy Bears.
Then you'll have kids whose favorite teacher or friend was an AI.
It's gonna get weird.
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I know you are probably saying this tongue-in-cheek, but this kind of attitude should scare you the most.
What provisions are being made for those who can't keep up or find gainful employment as the AI and software replaces workers?
Eventually, AI will be writing code and improving AI and you will be out of a job because unless we have "hybrid" computing in our brains, we cannot evolve our intelligence to keep up with AI.
Unless there is empathy, then AI will destroy us all -- including those that temporarily
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What provisions are being made for those who can't keep up or find gainful employment as the AI and software replaces workers?
None, but are you sure it is needed in advance?
...this should scare AI as well
It turns out that machines don't have emotions.
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I know you are probably saying this tongue-in-cheek
It is absolutely not. I make the software that replaces workers. Deal with it.
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Similar things were being said back in the 1800's during the first industrial revolution (and God saving only steam!)....
Seriously, this sort of thing has been part of reality since the invention of the spear...
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The rhetoric is ignorant ("AI Superpower" is kind of a meaningless concept), but the more funding gets put towards basic research, the better.
We all win.
There is nothing "basic" about AI research.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
This is a commercial engineering effort.
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"AI Superpower" is a meaningless concept? Your comment wins as most ignorant comment. The basic research is good for all -- but most of the benefits are going to get privatized just like our University research and drug patents.
The tech and gains will NOT be shared. While sure, we "win" with new discoveries and patents -- it's only another thing we buy or controls us, while that wealth and control will be concentrated even more than now.
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The UK is run by a bunch of public school idiots who only have rhetoric because they have no real clue about anything.
Exactly, we've clearly mastered natural stupidity, why not start on artificial intelligence.
For those unfamiliar with the UK education system public school == private school. What you'd call a public school is known as a state school. Public (private) schools are little more than Old Boys Club incubators.
Nice (Score:3)
Now, on a more serious note, how's the NHS it system coming along? Patient records all working fine? Terminology being used regularly, is it? Icd10 allover, right?
Boris, getto a grippo, pleaso.
good luck (Score:5, Insightful)
The only way is to open up immigration and brain drain the best and brightest of the world. Giving the xenophobic attitude that brought about Brexit, it is unlikely the British citizenry are ready to do what it takes to become a world leader in any technology.
The only real competition to the UK is the US. The closed society of China puts an upper limit on scientific inquiry, financial benefit, and the ineffable qualities that attract creative individuals. Ultimately China's talent pool is limited to China, while the West's is all of the world including China itself.
Cheaper health care doesn't really offer the UK and advantage over the US when tech companies already pay for healthcare, and offer higher salaries, and lower taxes. The wealth gap of the US is a blight overall, but easy to ignore when you're in the top third of wage earners.
Re:good luck (Score:5, Informative)
I'm British and drained my brain to the US 21 years ago.
I saw several of these initiatives get announced for the current tech fashion. My chip making employer got brought by the French. The chip design consultancy I worked for got brought by the Americans and ultimately led to my moving to the US. ARM was a UK thing but the business conditions in the UK did not exist for them to remain independent and start buying their own empire. The reverse happened and they've been shopped around since.
Easy immigration, strong and equitable trade deals, membership in the EU (but they stuffed that up), well funded and reasonably priced universities. These are among the things that allow a tech industry to thrive.
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I wish I could upvote this insightful comment.
Parts of your comment I already thought to be true. But one detail you added made me realize that our lack of healthcare and concentration of wealth isn't as big an issue as I previously thought in regards to getting the "best and brightest." Yes -- of course, people who are at the top of their field don't need to WORRY about the issues that most people deal with. They will get the best healthcare because they are in demand by corporations. It's going to be grea
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The UK has significantly lower salaries than the EU. Very likely one of the reasons brexit was pushed so hard is to prevent UK talent leaving for a much better life in the EU, as many (including myself) did under freedom of movement.
The UK periodically has these initiatives to build up some area of science or technology, but they never go anywhere. They are basically ways to funnel tax money to friends of the Tory Party, who then tell voters about the millions of pounds being "invested" in their area.
Or they could I don't know (Score:2)
Re: good luck (Score:2)
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The only way is to open up immigration
That happened in 1997. Maybe you haven't noticed the vast tracts of former countryside now covered in shitty housing?
https://migrationobservatory.o... [ox.ac.uk]
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Giving the xenophobic attitude that brought about Brexit
Given the rise in non-EU immigration into the UK since Brexit I'm bewildered that you think it had anything to do xenophobia.
The UK likes people from other countries. We have one of the most multi-cultural societies on earth, some of the lowest levels of racism and British people travel abroad at a massive rate.
Xenophobia? In the UK? You've clearly never visited.
Having coursed AI studies in England.... (Score:2)
THE BRITS ARE COMING!
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"....I can attest they have an amazingly solid academic foundation to build this on."
Foundations that hardly poke out of the ground.
Other countries call those 'ruins'.
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Exceeding the US, catching up to China... (Score:2)
10-year plan to make the country a global "artificial intelligence superpower"?
Comparisons between US, UK and China?
A doomed technological race to the bottom? [carnegieendowment.org]
Sounds like they don't teach history in the UK anymore.
Or someone might have picked up on the whole "history rhyming" thing.
Like between this pathetic struggle for relevance employed by those in power to pull the wool over the eyes of the people struggling due to the bonkers thinking of their leaders - and Mao's Great Leap Forward.
He had similar ideas
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I would suggest that students of history also consider the English luddite movement as a result of automation of weaving machines
They could start by (Score:5, Funny)
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"Putting food on the table for its citizens."
They do. Today's special was Spam, Spam, Spam, Eggs and Spam.
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but it doesn't have much spam in it.
Current Trends (Score:2)
It's like someone said to these people ONCE "perfect is the enemy of . . . " and they have decided on NEVER getting anything right.
How is this slashdot news ? (Score:2)
Is there anyone here besides a fraction of UK brexiters that takes what says the British government seriously ? We are used to their empty rhetoric. They forge ahead with the bombastic declarations while nothing productive happens. They are not even funny anymore.
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Is there anyone here besides a fraction of UK brexiters that takes what says the British government seriously ? We are used to their empty rhetoric. They forge ahead with the bombastic declarations while nothing productive happens. They are not even funny anymore.
The trick is, always on days that these announcements come out look in a t the second page of the Guardian or some of the (non official) opposition web sites. You will almost inevitably find some other thing that would have been a big damaging story for the government if they didn't put out the specific announcement tha they did. This probably isn't even taken seriously by the people that are putting it out.
Re: How is this slashdot news ? (Score:2)
Like Biden reiterating to Boris that Obama adage to "get to the back of the queue" for that free trade deal, for example?
The current bunch of numpties (Score:5, Funny)
Can't even deliver food on the shelves at the moment. They (current UK govt) are good at making promises, and bad at fulfilling them.
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Can't even deliver food on the shelves at the moment. They (current UK govt) are good at making promises, and bad at fulfilling them.
Attention, comrades! We have glorious news for you. We have won the battle for production! Returns now completed of the output of all classes of consumption goods show that the standard of living has risen by no less than 20 per cent over the past year. All over Oceania this morning there were irrepressible spontaneous demonstrations when workers marched out of factories and offices and paraded through the streets with banners voicing their gratitude to Big Brother for the new, happy life which his
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Holy fuck can you propagandists give it a fucking break?
There are not food shortages in the UK. Nobody is starving and unable to find food.
Just who are the cunts funding all this nonsense propaganda?
The UK is going to suffer from 10 years (Score:4, Informative)
of economic chaos. Right now there are supply problems for all products and materials. Food is rotting in farms, industry is failing to get materials, store shelves are empty, companies are shutting down under the weight of decimated export income, and their big saving grace of being a "global UK" and making trade deals with the world has resulted in them getting screwed by every country they've attempted to partner with and their two saving graces are a country that this week showed no interest in them (the USA), and a trading block curiously around the Pacific Ocean, which is no where near the UK.
AI you say? Sure why not. Nothing else has worked.
AI you say? (Score:2)
What are the chances that this system is going to partially or totally overlap with the goal of spying on the country's own citizens?
it'll all be fine (Score:3)
I mean it's not like the UK/British Empire has ever done anything that serves their imperialistic desires and ended up plunging the world into global conflict, right?
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I mean it's not like the UK/British Empire has ever done anything that serves their imperialistic desires and ended up plunging the world into global conflict, right?
Don't worry, although we continue to act as if we still had the empire, we actually got rid of it in the '60s and '70s. We currently can really only keep one aircraft carrier at sea and it's British only in name with most of the aircraft pilots being American. Same goes for our Nukes. They are paid for by Britain but we almost couldn't use them independently.
UK dominance of AI will involve paying Facebook to spy on some bunch of peace protestors whilst ignoring loads of actual terrorists.
Colonizer and the Colonized! (Score:2)
India follows UK in many ways, its government, judiciary, armed forces are all modeled after UK. From sub-registrar's office, to adopting all UK case law as precedents unless superseded by Indian Penal Code and specific rulings overturning precedence, to calling their air force officers air-commodores, wing commanders, air marshals and group captains ... Stars for captains, and crowns/triple-lions for generals on the insignia...
And India is fond of five year plans modeled afte
To be Fair... (Score:2)
Frank Whittle - the Jet Engine
Tim Berners-Lee - the World Wide Web
Sir Isaac Newton - the Reflecting Telescope
James Dewar - the thermos flask
Joseph Aspdin - modern cement
The problem doesn't seem to be their ability to have a good idea. They seem to get unstuck when their innovation isn't supported, isn't developed, sold out from under them, or, worst of all, when their innovators are almost pushed out the country.
The pro
France did the same thing 3 years ago (Score:2)
No one takes those things seriously.
If you want to be a leader you need to lead, not follow.
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Whaddya mean? France has the best 20-century submarines money can buy.
The real question is (Score:2)
how can I personally get rich off this likely bureaucratic boondoggle.
How about (Score:2)
a 10 year plan to get food back into the supermarkets?
I'm not feeling good about progress like I used to (Score:2)
Looks like humanity is going to screw this up, and this is more dangerous than the Atom Bomb. Even worse; most people developing it don't seem to realize how it can blow up in their faces.
As a society -- we humans have to get our shit in order. We have to have a notion that NOBODY is left behind. That we all share a common fate. Borders and classes should be relics.
AI should be for all humanity or not pursued. Because otherwise AI will churn out patents for a corporation. AI will develop the next AI to keep
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A relentless pursuit of technology for technology's sake is not going to be the panacea people think it is.
Far more needed is a change in the way people relate to and treat each other. If we're not fomenting good behavior between people and actually promoting the opposite with countless media outlets, then technology or no technology we'll destroy eachother.
The only difference is that the Tech may make it quicker and more efficient.
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Right after... (Score:2)
They will succeed (Score:2)
And then immediately sell everything off to SoftBank/Masayoshi Son.
I have no doubt about their technical abilities. Just their implementation. And thanks for pioneering programmable electronic computing (Colussus) and then dismantling it while we went on to build ENIAC and its commercial descendants.
Another AI hill to die on (Score:2)
Some of us are old enough to remember (Score:2)
the last time another country announced exactly the same thing — Japan.
Was it in the 90s? So any reason why UK could succeed where Japan failed?
Didn't you get the memo, UK? (Score:2)
It is great (Score:1)