Firefox Now Sends Your Address Bar Keystrokes To Mozilla (howtogeek.com) 139
An anonymous reader quotes a report from How-To Geek: Firefox now sends more data than you might think to Mozilla. To power Firefox Suggest, Firefox sends the keystrokes you type into your address bar, your location information, and more to Mozilla's servers. Here's exactly what Firefox is sharing and how to control it. This change was made as part of the introduction of Firefox Suggest in Firefox 93, released on October 5, 2021. As part of Firefox Suggest, Firefox is getting ads in your search bar -- but that's not the only thing that will be news to longtime Firefox users. According to Mozilla, "Firefox Suggest acts as a trustworthy guide to the better web, surfacing relevant information and sites to help people accomplish their goals." In reality, what that means is, when you start typing in your address bar, you won't just see the standard search suggestions from Google or your current search default engine. You'll also see "Firefox Suggest" results pointing to web pages. Some of them are sponsored ads, but you can disable the ads.
Firefox Suggest is on by default. Mozilla's blog post on the subject says Firefox Suggest is an "opt-in experience," which was the case in September 2021 -- but it's now enabled by default in Firefox 93. However, as of Firefox 93's release in October 2021, Firefox Suggest is only enabled in the USA -- for now. It's worth noting that, for many years, Firefox and other web browsers have had search suggestions in their address bar. So, when you start typing "win" in your address bar, you may see suggestions for "Windows 11" and "Window repair." This is accomplished by sending keystrokes to your default search engine as you type in the search bar, as Mozilla's support site explains. Mozilla is also providing contextual suggestions, for which it needs more data, including the city you're located in and whether you're clicking its suggestions.
You can disable Firefox's suggested results, if you like. This will stop Mozilla from collecting the data you type in your search bar, and it will also disable the suggested results and ads. To do so, open Firefox and click menu [and then] Settings. Select "Privacy [and] Security" in the left pane, and scroll down to "Address Bar -- Firefox Suggest." Disable "Contextual suggestions" and "Include occasional sponsored suggestions" to stop Firefox from sending data to Mozilla.
Firefox Suggest is on by default. Mozilla's blog post on the subject says Firefox Suggest is an "opt-in experience," which was the case in September 2021 -- but it's now enabled by default in Firefox 93. However, as of Firefox 93's release in October 2021, Firefox Suggest is only enabled in the USA -- for now. It's worth noting that, for many years, Firefox and other web browsers have had search suggestions in their address bar. So, when you start typing "win" in your address bar, you may see suggestions for "Windows 11" and "Window repair." This is accomplished by sending keystrokes to your default search engine as you type in the search bar, as Mozilla's support site explains. Mozilla is also providing contextual suggestions, for which it needs more data, including the city you're located in and whether you're clicking its suggestions.
You can disable Firefox's suggested results, if you like. This will stop Mozilla from collecting the data you type in your search bar, and it will also disable the suggested results and ads. To do so, open Firefox and click menu [and then] Settings. Select "Privacy [and] Security" in the left pane, and scroll down to "Address Bar -- Firefox Suggest." Disable "Contextual suggestions" and "Include occasional sponsored suggestions" to stop Firefox from sending data to Mozilla.
Here we go again (Score:5, Insightful)
C'mon Mozilla Foundation, you can do better. I can tolerate Firefox performance being worse than Chromium, but these kind of things are the ones that annoy me.
Re:Here we go again (Score:4, Informative)
C'mon Mozilla Foundation, you can do better. I can tolerate Firefox performance being worse than Chromium, but these kind of things are the ones that annoy me.
Absolutely. I use Firefox for a} extensions that prevent Internet snooping and b} to prevent Internet snooping.
Firefox should leave the searching to the search engines.
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Much like auto-correct on Android keyboards. Back-and-forth.
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I tried Brave, it turned out to be shit at rendering pages successfully, and it had cryptocurrency bullshit enabled by default. Then I deleted it.
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That carnival of incompetence has been mentioned before on /.
There are significant indications that the devs of that thing are dangerously incompetent.
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I used to be like you. The problem is that developers began doing things like staged rollouts, where everybody gets a different version or different defaults than everyone else. This causes a wide variety of software packages to function differently depending on a long, complex set of rules nobody is allowed to know. I've been bitten by that far too many times, telling people about bad software behavior, only to be repeatedly be called a liar and hater.
There are many settings in Firefox that do absolutel
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I use brave on PC and phone and haven't had any issues. It even renders poorly coded sites like slashdot just fine.
Why would they want to do better? (Score:3, Informative)
They are in it for money, and they know that the majority of people who still use Firefox won't stop using it because of this. So, that's that.
Whenever I set up a new system, I always go through Firefox settings and turn off a bunch of stuff. Including pocket and javascript-in-pdf execution, which require going to about:config. This is just one more box to un-check for me.
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I disagree. By now, the ONLY people who still use Firefox, are those who care.
Everyone else has left for Chrome, some time ago. Maybe when they broke extensions. Or when they broke them again. Or when they became basically a Chrome knock-off.
We're the only ones left.
So they are killing ALL of their user base with this.
And yes, they know this. Come on, you can't tell me they don't.
Re: Why would they want to do better? (Score:2)
*and they know that the majority of people who still use Firefox won't stop using it because of this.*
They are at their pitiful current market share, for making 1000 decisions just like this.
For each they lost a few users. Now, they have almost none.
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Mozilla seems to be in a bit of a downward spiral.
They want to collect telemetry to try to figure out what people want and what features they can stop supporting and remove. Problem is many of their users turn that stuff off because they are privacy conscious, and they are alienating them.
Mozilla also wants to become less dependent on search engines, particularly Google, for income. They tried Pocket but it's probably just too niche to be of interest to most people. They tried a phone OS, that failed pretty
Re: Why would they want to do better? (Score:2)
Firefox for Android actually used to be great but they completely changed the UI a few months ago, against common sense and usability. It's really not that complicated, don't change the UI. It really feels like the folks at Mozilla are doing everything they can to piss off their users.
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I'm okay with the new UI, but there are long standing issues.
- Font sizes are messed up on Pixel devices and presumably many others. The UI itself breaks, as well as web sites.
- The tab UI just isn't as quick and easy to navigate as Chrome.
- Contributing fixes is extremely difficult, especially fixes to the rendering engine for Android.
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Create or copy a user.js file in your Firefox profile pyllyukko for example [github.com] to alter settings.
So if you update or reinstall Firefox, just copy your carefully customized user.js to a new profile.
Re: Here we go again (Score:3, Insightful)
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That's only because all your data is being collected by the OS instead of the browser ;-)
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Brave says hello.
Re: Here we go again (Score:2)
Yet here we are. *shiver*
Re:Here we go again (Score:4, Insightful)
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Who do you trust more with your data? Mozilla, Google, or Microsoft?
This isn't a difficult choice.
Re:Here we go again (Score:4, Insightful)
Google obviously. The company who primarily derives all their revenue from your data has the best incentive to not share it much in the same way Coca Cola won't sell you their recipe.
Be vary of companies collecting your data as a side gig.
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*ba-dum TISS*
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First time I installed Chrome on a test machine, it spidered through the whole filesystem, reading 20GB of data and wrote 4GB of logs. I immediately uninstalled it and never considered using it again. Tracking my behavior online isn't anywhere near as bad as scanning my whole computer.
There is something to be said for how MUCH data is being collected, and I trust Google less than almost anyone else.
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First time I installed Chrome on a test machine, it spidered through the whole filesystem, reading 20GB of data and wrote 4GB of logs.
Yeah that's a great feature. Installing Chrome causes the Chrome Cleanup Tool to scan your system for malware that attempts to hijack Chrome. It's a single shot anti-virus scan that only reports positive hits back to Google and offers the user to quarantine / delete / ignore the offending malware.
Precisely what you want, a browser that protects itself from the onslaught of malware that attempts to hijack it. I don't know why you don't want to promote an action that directly improves both your security and p
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None of the above!
The difficulty is artificial, because you're falsely limiting the choices.
I trust an open source community project with NO need for nor interest in profit.
My favorite financing model would be: Feature bounties. Like having a mini-kickstarter for every Bugzilla feature request (and bug).
You want that thing? You pledge money, or shut up. And instead of a single target amount, every developer who wants to do it, can set the amount of money at which they are willing to do it.
At some point, the
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Who do you trust more with your data? Mozilla, Google, or Microsoft?
Even if there was an answer to that today (and it's not necessarily a slam dunk), two things: a) I have no idea what _any_ of those people are doing with my data today, but the people who are most likely to be selling it (as opposed to using it inhouse to improve their own Big Data datasets) are the smallest fish, i.e. Mozilla, and b) once the data is collected, there's no way to have any level of trust whatsoever as to what is going to be done with it in the future. The data could be acquired by Apple, Goo
Re: Here we go again (Score:2)
Well, of the three, the most desperate, incompetent and most disingenuous is Mozilla.
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Why not fork Firefox/Chromium?
All it takes is go through their change log, pick the commits you don't like, revert them, make sure it still works, and release.
Start with this latest change alone, publish it on some key sites, and you already got the majority of FF users *overnight*.
Let others send you links to commits that are bad, check that you agree, and little by little, you transform it into the browser we want.
You can bet all of your data that some FF developers will approach you to come over and main
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Well for a start you couldn't call it Firefox, that name is trademarked by Mozilla. So you will have to rename it to FrozenShibaInu or something.
Personally if I saw "FrozenShibaInu" made by "BAReFO0t" on some download site I'd close the tab. I'm not downloading that shit, I mean how many times have we seen someone release a wonderful new browser that turns out to be malware?
Also I think you vastly underestimate the amount of work it will take to keep the browser building and working if you start ignoring co
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Re:Here we go again (Score:5, Informative)
C'mon Mozilla Foundation, you can do better. I can tolerate Firefox performance being worse than Chromium, but these kind of things are the ones that annoy me.
How exactly is a browser supposed to make "suggestions" without sending any keystrokes to a server?
Simple solution: Turn off suggestions!
Re:Here we go again (Score:5, Interesting)
>Simple solution: Turn off suggestions!
Exactly. Firefox isn't perfect but it's very customizable.
And in the last update, they went back to using the word delete instead of remove in the menus and they also removed all the extra space they'd added in the drop down menus. So they are listening to a lot of user feedback too.
Re:Here we go again (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah... no. I've heard that argument go up in flames way too many times.
They freaking killed extensions twice now. On mobile, almost all choice is gone. Can't install add-ons that Mozilla didn't pre-approve. They even killed about:config, *specifically" to take away choice. Same reason they are peddling their stupid "cloud" Mozilla account crap, that there are no alternatives to.
They went full Apple. Never go full Apple.
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I suppose to be fair most people send their keystrokes to Google or some other search engine, for the suggestions. Chrome does by default, except in Incognito Mode.
It's apparently something users appreciate. Well, I have haven't turned it off in Chrome, or in Firefox where my default search engine (with suggestions) is Google.
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Exactly. Firefox isn't perfect but it's very customizable.
I question that. I explicitly turned off local storage, but Firefox kept storing content anyway. I found out the hard way that just disabling storage in the GUI doesn't work, and you have to also do stupid crap like setting storage limits for multiple different systems to zero. Also, that only works until the next version of Firefox where they rename all the settings, so after an update everything returns to the defaults and everything turns back on again... even though the GUI says that it's all off.
I g
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Local Markovian matching with a locally stored address bar history would do it well. It would take local resources.
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Friends ask me which browser I use Hey, you know all about computers. Which browser should I use?, and I don't have a consistent answer because of stuff like this. Seems like Chrome and Firefox leapfrog each other in do-not-want intrusive new "features" so whenever the one I'm using pushes me past the breaking point I switch over to the other as the least bad choice.
Currently on Chrome and I suppose thanks to this new Firefox "feature" I'll remain on it for a few more versions, but it ma
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Do they keep them indefinitely, do they share them with others?
It is said google is so jealous of the data they gather that it is not shared but only used 'in house'.
It maybe so but they collect so much data that it gets scary, I only use Chrome and Google where there is no other way to get what I want.
So Mozilla better gives a good explanation what they do with the collected data.
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> C'mon Mozilla Foundation, you can do better.
It's to scan and filter gender binary search terms. It's for your own good... so you'll use it AND you'll like it zher!
Sending to Mozilla or search engine? (Score:3)
> sending keystrokes to your default search engine
It's probably doing the latter. The former sounds like sensationalism.
The latter is worse. (Score:4, Insightful)
If your default search engine is Google and it's sending them keystrokes you may as well just use Chrome. I fucking hate Chrome and Mozilla has hit fast forward on what seems to be their planned obsolescence.
Maybe it's time for Mozilla to fucking die so FF can be reborn, again, as something better.
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Good luck with that. Browsers are complicated and no one is going to start a new browser from scratch. I seriously doubt anyone is going to pick up FireFox once Chrome has a chance to dominate the market.
You might as well wave goodbye to web standards. Those won't matter once Chrome takes its place as the new IE6.
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Yeah, sorry, but I solved that already.
How? By killing off "web standards".
It's just a freaking virtual machine by now. A shitty one.
So we can just as well run qemu on a snapshotted RAM-cached image of any OS, and have the URL you enter in the address bar mount as a removable drive and execute inside a copy-on-write clone of that image.
In fact I literally already programmed that. My prototype still needs the console and uses wget to get the removable image, and isn't optimized at all, but it still takes und
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Spyware (Score:3, Informative)
It is clear, Silicon Valley went all-out on evil, they are dumping toxic waste into fabric of our society and things are on fire. There needs to be heavy-handed and punitive regulation.
Re:Spyware (Score:4, Informative)
It is clear, Silicon Valley went all-out on evil,
which red state do you live in, comrade?
gotta stop taking your talking points from faux news. stuff will kill you. literally.
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Dial back the clock ONE year, and Mozilla would literally put up billboards, saying that they are the browser for people who don't want that sort of thing.
I know, because i still remember those from the bus stops I passed on my way to work.
Whoever modded this "troll", is himself a troll. Coarse words are not "trolling" just because they are coarse. If they are true, they are the appropriate thing to say!
Re:Umm, no (Score:4, Insightful)
Its only spyware if they try and hide the fact the browser is phoning home and wouldn't let you disable it.
They claimed it would default off, and it defaults on. That you can disable it easily doesn't make it not spyware, it just makes it slightly less insidious than other spyware. Meanwhile the Mozilla foundation is posting shit to twitter about how you should use a secure browser that doesn't spy on you while making a browser that spies on you by default. They are hypocritical lying fucks.
Most Sheeple Don't Know and Don't Care (Score:5, Insightful)
Sadly, when you have billions of people who don't give a crap about who gets/shares their data (as evidenced by the number of people who consume Facebook), it isn't surprising that Mozilla feels like they can slide this in with only a few geeks taking umbrage.
I'd switch to Chrome, but it's even worse there.
Re:Most Sheeple Don't Know and Don't Care (Score:5, Insightful)
Most "Sheeple" switched to Chrome .. welcome to hell.
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> I'd switch to Chrome, but it's even worse there.
That's why you'd switch to Brave (or Vivaldi if you're quirky).
Most OG Firebird users are on Brave.
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No, they're not.
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Nobody is on Brave. Crypto mining being enable by default means it doesn't even qualify.
Don't let the BizX reality distortion bubble confuse you. What's reported on this site, regarding "alternative currencies" is not reality, but their PR.
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Billions of users.
I wonder why.
Do we have to ask the "MS-Feature" question? (Score:2)
The same thing we always ask when a new feature gets announced in Windows:
"Can you turn it off, and if, how?"
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And the answer is: Yes, but only to make it go down easier, so you are locked in once it is removed. Because the switch WILL be removed.
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We're still talking about a browser here, not something where I spend days and weeks creating content for in a vendor lock-in format I couldn't escape. Switching browsers takes literally seconds.
Error: Firefox now sends its users to Chrome (Score:4, Insightful)
So the next headline will be ..
"Firefox user loss accelerating, .."
And fucking nobody knows why!
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I know why. It's because people who don't use it are jerking off like monkeys at the chance to tear it down!
Take a look at this current non-issue. We've had the option to turn on search suggestions for years. No one once complained. Now it's suddenly an issue? How the hell did you think search suggestions worked?
Chrome has for years done everything you seem to think Mozilla is doing but far, far, worse. Your solution? Switch to some flavor of Chrome? You'd think Google was paying you.
People are incr
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Take it that way: Enough is enough and Mozilla has overstretched the patience of the users by knee jerk moves everybody knows the reaction off.
Don't get the people that complain about Mozilla wrong, those people don't want to destroy Firefox, in contrast they care about it, because yes basically Firefox is a good browser however riddled with scars from Mozilla-Devs kneejerk moves. People that do complain want change ..
And well: Some people complained about the search suggestion in the past, however now tho
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Oh come on. You think they'll loose ALL two of their users?
Firefox know and don't care (Score:2)
Geeks are who promoted Firefox and their general abandonment speaks volumes. They are responsible for its adopt and leadership should take fucking note.
Firefox is wallowing in cash and has no reason to care about geeks any more, or market share since they have plenty of loot for the short term anyway.
I quit using it in protest to help it die so it may rise like the Phoenix browser (it's ancestor) did from the ashes of Netscape. I no longer advise anyone else to use it either. The code will live with or with
Not if it can't phone home (Score:5, Informative)
You can modify your user.js (which override internal settings even when an extension tries to change them) or just add it one to your profile using this gist: https://gist.github.com/Aether... [github.com]
It disables various phone home options and overrides URLs used to phone home, just in case.
It's likely to be updated soon to include disable these new features.
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You can modify your user.js (which override internal settings even when an extension tries to change them) or just add it one to your profile using this gist: https://gist.github.com/Aether... [github.com]
It disables various phone home options and overrides URLs used to phone home, just in case.
It's likely to be updated soon to include disable these new features.
That looks useful.
Thanks for reminding me that slashdot isn't a completely lost cause.
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Set these to "false" in your user.js file:
"browser.urlbar.suggest (dot) quicksuggest"
"browser.urlbar.suggest (dot) quicksuggest.sponsored"
(Obviously, replace " (dot) " with a period -- frelling unsophisticated "ascii art" filter)
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Sorry, but i didn't install Firefox to have a Windows installation experience.
Dump that shit.
Web's dead. Google killed it. Mozilla held out the longest, but ultimately snapped, and helped them.
Time to go back to the pre-WWW Internet and use real applications again.
9P for Linux anyone?
"More privacy than ever before" (Score:2)
Anymore whenever I hear advertised some software or service is secure and respects your privacy I just assume the opposite is true.
Granted it could well be the software or service actually is secure and respects your privacy and the people advertising it are proud of the fact. In reality that is basically never the case.
Despite all of the privacy slogans for the average user Firefox offers as much privacy as Chrome or Edge which is to say none at all. I especially love how privacy is always from someone e
Fun for corporate intranets (Score:2)
If I'm an unscrupulous dipshit working for Mozilla, I now have an in I can use to phish corporate users. If I know the layout of their corporate intranet from all these address bar entries, it makes it that much easier to pose as an insider IT guy.
Switched to Waterfox on my home computer (Score:2)
What are Slashdotters' thoughts on Waterfox? I'm sure they're not beyond reproach either. I'd like to know what skeletons they have in their closet...
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there was 'pale moon' (maybe still is?) - and I do remember trying it a while back.
then, the key extensions I needed didnt' work or didn't always work. was too much of a PITA to keep things working.
FF is done for, for those of us who want a truly customizable system. its why we started with FF.
maybe palemoon or equiv is ok now? I did have to switch to chrome and chrome-like things (at work and home). the aged truly ancient ff I was running ran out of certs (must have really bad breath) so now that brows
Fork Firefox! (Score:2)
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Use Waterfox watch Waterfox (acquired by ad company)
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Yes, you repeat that, but can you actually back it up beyond empty statements?
What exactly did MS Word, for example, even add since Word 98? I don't see even a single thing that I would need, or have ever used, that it didn't have back then.
So I call bullshit, and write it up as the same thing as when people say they can "hear" the "warmth" of Monster cables or taste the superiority of a $400 bottle of wine and to $10 one. (I've tried all the expensive wines and champagnes. Uncle is rich, collects them, and
I believe in open source (Score:3)
Opera keeps getting more free why can't Firefox?
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Opera is owned by Chinese investors:
Beijing Kunlun Tech Co., Ltd. (Zhou Yahui) (48%)[7]
Qifei International Development Co. Limited (Qihoo 360) (27.5%)[8]
Keeneyes Future Holdings Inc (Zhou Yahui) (19.5%)[7][8]
Golden Brick Capital Private Equity Fund I L.P. (5%)[8]
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Does it hurt that they are doing better than American investors like *literally fucking Google*?
Sorry, but your argument only works for the few people deluded enough to believe America is "not" just as evil.
Corporations in America literally are fascist regimes with a minimal excuse of a veil of fake democracy to make it go down easier.
So not any better than the oligarchic regime with minimal excuse of a veil of fake communism to make it go down easier, that China is.
Bezos and Xi 'Winnie The Poo' Pingpong ar
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Yeah, because of that annoyance I have disabled the auto-update and just download and install the full exe - however with Networking disabled.
Just when FF starts and tries to display shit its closed and the data is deleted and all disabled about:config and pocket options are rechecked.
WHY are they committing suicide though? (Score:2)
Nobody can tell me that they don't know that this equal suicide.
Not too many years ago, maybe even just one, they literally advertised that they weren't doing this kind of shit.
Have they been infiltrated by a Google mole? (Compare: Elop, the Microsoft mole @ Nokia) Did they snap, and go insane?
I wish I could just drive over to wherever their HQ is, and ask them that *in person*, and not let them get away without a satisfying answer.
Doesn't work (Score:2)
I'm not in the US, don't have the setting and so I just switched off ALL suggestions but I have still "Firefox suggest" items when typing into the address bar.
We have to make a big choice here (Score:3)
We are now at a crossroads here with only two streets to go down:
1- Keep dealing with an internet that is only going to get more user hostile, more government/corporation control freak friendly, more privacy invading, more manipulative, more everything that no sane decent person ever wanted.
2- Start over from scratch, with a firmly enforced "Users' Bill of Rights" to prevent the aforementioned abuses.
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Does Mozilla have a death wish? (Score:2)
So what browser is everyone using? (Score:2)
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1.) we use Firefox and want it to prevail and get better
2.) we do this by expressing our concern about the crazy choices of Mozilla - the more crazy the more drastic it gets.
3.) Waterfox
Really? (Score:2)
Collector Thread for Alternatives (Score:3)
I just recognized that there is the need for a central point of information, if you have more Firefox Forks please add them under here, and if available please also link to further information (for example: wiki):
Waterfox
https://www.waterfox.net/ [waterfox.net]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
A test(German Language) of what data Waterfox sends
https://www.kuketz-blog.de/wat... [kuketz-blog.de]
Palemoon
https://www.palemoon.org/ [palemoon.org]
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Librewolf
https://librewolf-community.gi... [gitlab.io]
A test(German Language) of what data LibreWolf sends
https://www.kuketz-blog.de/lib... [kuketz-blog.de]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Iceweasel / Icecat - NOT UPDATED
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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This article is wrong. https://www.reddit.com/r/firef... [reddit.com] https://www.reddit.com/r/firef... [reddit.com]
Er, yes. I just checked and mine was on by default. I sure as heck never opted in to it.
Re:Why? (Score:4, Informative)
Disabling this appears to also disable the drop-down list of frequently-used URL's
That appears to have been broken for me for a LONG time because it has only been showing suggestions for misspelled URLs that I accidentally entered once. For example if I type "www.gma" meaning to go to gmail.com, it will suggest "gmaik.com" which I entered ONCE, but never gmail.com that I've entered hundreds of times :shrug:
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You can make your own in an evening.
1. Go to their online repository and clone it to your PC. /etc/portage/patches/www-client/firefox, reinstall firefox, and be done with it.
2. Look up which commit(s) enabled (all) that crap.
3. Tell git to create patches from those commits.
4a. If on Gentoo, drop them in
4b. On other systems, remove the binary package, install the source package, apply the patch, configure, make, make install, done.
5. Publish that patch or patch set on bugs.gentoo.org or the like, so anyone e
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I tested Waterfox not classic and the experience is really good, I use an intel j1900 lower power system (with win7 *) and Waterfox is much more responsive and the GUI .. well the Waterfox-GUI is very pleasing!
(*) for casual surfing playing with old office versions and so on everything not having anything to do with security relevant uses .. and it's walled off.
Q: Why Win7?
A: Because using any decent usable not 100 commands Linux Distro is creeping instead of running, win7 on this machine does everything an