How Much Dell Pays Engineers, Analysts and Salespeople (businessinsider.com) 33
With over 158,000 employees, Dell is one of the largest employers in tech -- and it's expanding its ranks. To find out how much Dell is paying new hires, Business Insider analyzed salaries of approved H-1B visas published by the US Office of Foreign Labor Certification. From a report: This data is drawn from 381 approved visa applications for Dell workers hired in the last 12 months. The roles include US salespeople, engineers, analysts, project managers, and consultants across the company. Most salaries are in the low six figures though some are lower: Pay for new hires started at $62,000 for low-level analyst roles, while some more senior hires in 2021 were offered salaries exceeding $200,000. While the data provides a rare glimpse into private salaries, it does come with some caveats. The data is based on pay to foreign workers whose visas were sponsored by Dell. That pay should be representative of salaries paid for those roles across the company but it includes only base pay not total compensation, which can include bonuses or stock.
Sales bonuses (Score:5, Interesting)
So, this data is a very limited glimpse into what people actually make at Dell.
Representative? (Score:4, Informative)
The data is based on pay to foreign workers whose visas were sponsored by Dell. That pay should be representative of salaries paid for those roles across the company...
Should is the important word there. H1-B salaries are publicly available at any company. [h1bdata.info] However, salaries for US citizens are not. Therefore, there is no way to know if the H1-B salaries are representative and fair.
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What is means is, H1-B salaries are definitely lower than Citizen salary levels.
There was a time the PHB could say, "look, you see Asok over there, IIT grad, All India Rank of 383, 99+ percentile in GRE all three. He is happy to work for 75% of your pay and there are more where he com
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Not That Helpful (Score:1)
Re:Not That Helpful (Score:4, Informative)
Often they don't get the additional benefits like healthcare, 401k
It is illegal to exclude employees from either healthcare plans or retirement plans based on their immigration status.
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All of the H1Bs discussed in TFA were hired directly by Dell.
Re:Not That Helpful (Score:4, Insightful)
Get rid of them. Stop the stupid reciprocal recognition of unknown univs from India as equivalents of CalTech and MIT. Situation will correct itself.
There are extremely well qualified top quality H1Bs with Masters from American universities. But they go through the same lottery system with these body shoppers bringing in graduates from diploma mills in India.
Dumb system. Treats garbage and gems alike.
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It also doesn't take into account (Score:2, Informative)
To give credit where it's due, in Dec of last year the justice department sued Facebook for giving H1-Bs preferential treatment, and they just fined FB for the practice (albeit only $14 million, which is a fraction of the cost savings from the abuse). This would have started and been concluded under the Trump administration.
Now, the DOJ is generally supposed to be non partisan, but we know how that works. To be fa
Re: It also doesn't take into account (Score:1)
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30 years of downward pressure on wages from an unlimited supply of cheap foreign labor.
Dell had 381 H1Bs last year out of 158,000 employees.
That doesn't appear to be an "unlimited supply".
Most were paid over $100k. So not so "cheap" either.
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Yeah, but I think that statement reflects the overall situation, vs who Dell specifically opted to hire?
We all know that the number of H1B's at, say, Microsoft is much higher.
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We all know that the number of H1B's at, say, Microsoft is much higher.
Microsoft has about 180,000 employees, 5200 H1B employees, and had 1790 new H1B visas approved last year.
So they rely on H1Bs about four times as much as Dell.
Re:It also doesn't take into account (Score:5, Informative)
Self-correction after doing more Googling: Microsoft does have about 180k employees, but 75% of them are outside the US.
So in proportion to the size of their American workforce, MS appears to rely on H1Bs about 15 times as much as Dell.
I live in America (Score:2)
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Yeah, but I think that statement reflects the overall situation, vs who Dell specifically opted to hire? We all know that the number of H1B's at, say, Microsoft is much higher.
I used to be an H1B at Microsoft. They headhunted us internationally, and paid us considerably above average -- I was getting $120k/yr back in 2024, fresh out of grad-school as my first job. I knew lots of fellow H1Bs who were similarly recruited and similarly paid.
I'm sure there are companies that abuse H1Bs to drive wages down. But I don't think you'll find many of those in big tech Microsoft, Google, Apple, Facebook, ...
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Back in 2024 ? Yeah, IIT grad, 99+ GRE, AND can time travel. Triple threat, indeed.
That's not bad at all (Score:3)
In Sweden our service analysts get around 3000-3500$ per month. (Up to 42K a year).
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Is this before or after tax ?
The US salaries are before any tax & healthcare insurance which means that cash-in-hand is between 80% and 50% of the salary (depending on taxes, pension contribution and health/life/dental/vision insurance plans).
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Before tax.
We do get workers comp/deduction though.
I have the 3500$ salary as I have worked my way up, but after taxes has been paid I have roughly 2200$ incl. workers comp. etc.
Disappointed (Score:3)
From the headline I was thinking that perhaps some internal Dell database had leaked, and we could see what all the employees are making. That would be fascinating. Especially for me, as I work there.