Global Covid Cases and Deaths Rise for the First Time in Two Months, WHO Says (cnbc.com) 184
Covid-19 cases and deaths are climbing across the world for the first time in two months as the virus surges across Europe, World Health Organization officials said at a briefing Thursday. From a report: After weeks of decline, infections in Europe have risen over the last three consecutive weeks, even as cases fall in every other region across the world, according to WHO. There were nearly 3 million new Covid cases reported worldwide for the week ended Sunday, an increase of 4% from the previous seven days, according to WHO's most recent epidemiological update. Globally, Covid cases had fallen 4% the week before, despite a 7% increase across Europe over that same period. Cases in Europe surged by 18% over the last week alone, WHO data shows.
"The global number of reported cases and deaths from Covid-19 is now increasing for the first time in two months, driven by an ongoing rise in Europe that outweighs declines in other regions," WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. "It's another reminder that the Covid-19 pandemic is far from over." Covid has surged sharply in Czechia and Hungary, where the seven-day average of cases swelled more than 100% from the previous week as of Wednesday, according to a CNBC analysis of data from Johns Hopkins University. Croatia, Denmark, Norway and Poland each recorded weekly average case increases of more than 70% on Wednesday, JHU found.
"The global number of reported cases and deaths from Covid-19 is now increasing for the first time in two months, driven by an ongoing rise in Europe that outweighs declines in other regions," WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. "It's another reminder that the Covid-19 pandemic is far from over." Covid has surged sharply in Czechia and Hungary, where the seven-day average of cases swelled more than 100% from the previous week as of Wednesday, according to a CNBC analysis of data from Johns Hopkins University. Croatia, Denmark, Norway and Poland each recorded weekly average case increases of more than 70% on Wednesday, JHU found.
Survey says...Denmark! (Score:2)
I imagine Denmark and Norway was a great surprise.
No surprise at all (Score:3)
November-December showed a big surge here in Sweden last year. This year we have vaccines, but we also have the Delta strain and few restrictions. Time will tell what the combined effect is.
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In WHO we trust.... (Score:1)
about as far as we can throw em.
Epidemic of unvaccinated (Score:3, Informative)
The epidemic these days is mostly people who are unvaccinated. Among the vaccinated who get sick, it's mostly due to people who are either immunocompromised in some way, or got their vaccine after getting exposed to covid (for example, their spouse got covid so the next day they decided to get the vaccine).
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Whlle true... it's also a smattering of breakthru cases from parents who live with unvaccinated children and breakthru cases as resistance from both vaccination and infection drops.
However, I think in most areas populations are almost at herd immunity levels. For example- in UK. the cases are focused in 2-19 year olds (about 2% in each year group) and then 20-54 (about 1%). Less than 1% per year for 55 to 80+.
I'm seeing what should be superspreading events all over the place in Texas now. I guess we'l
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Yeah, most people have either gotten vaccinated or caught covid now. The holiday season will be the real litmus test to determine if we're through the worst or not.
Vaccine is 68% effective in Indiana (Score:2)
You are correct that the available vaccines do not 100% stop infection. They only 68% stop infection, if the difference in case rates per 100K in one US state's dashboard back in mid-September [twitter.com] is to be believed. All other things being equal, that's enough to reduce the transmission rate by a factor of three. The reason you aren't seeing the same sort of sharp decline seen in May and June is that the Delta variant is far more aggressive.
Right now, one of the biggest demographics carrying this disease is scho
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The epidemic these days is mostly people who are unvaccinated. Among the vaccinated who get sick, it's mostly due to people who are either immunocompromised in some way, or got their vaccine after getting exposed to covid (for example, their spouse got covid so the next day they decided to get the vaccine).
Also amongst the vaccinated, those who do contract COVID have less severe and shorter cases. Hence the unvaccinated are inordinately represented amongst hospitalisations, ICU cases and deaths.
The jury is still out on the impact the vaccine has had on the spread of the virus (although most authorities on the subject state it's had a suppressive effect, just not as much as we'd like) but the reduction in your risk of dying is significant.
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The evidence is coming fast and hard that the unvaccinated are the primary spreaders of the virus:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health... [nbcnews.com]
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Yep, people are not having any restrictions, so the number of cases rises, something you knew will happen when they told you vaccines are not 120% effective. Yep, most of the population is vaccinated, so most of the infections happen among the vaccinated, because the unvaccinated are so few that they can't hit a case with high enough virus load near them for long enough to get it. Yep, bad cases and deaths are nearly zero among the vaccinated but how about the unvaccinated? OMG, they die just like they did
Compare long-term MMR mandates (Score:2)
other then theirs no vaccine why do you think they can only push mandates and no laws. if they had a real vaccine they could argue public safety
What's the difference between "mandates" and "laws"? Legislation enacted by state legislatures gives power to administrative agencies to enact temporary or long-term mandates. Legislators delegate this power because they trust professional immunologists to make wise decisions. This is why mandates requiring the MMR vaccine in schoolchildren have been on the books for years [immunize.org], apparently predating home broadband Internet access.
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COVID-related deaths per 100K vaccinated people are less than COVID-related deaths per 100K unvaccinated. If everybody is vaccinated, then 100% of COVID-related deaths (and all other deaths for that matter) will be in vaccinated people, but there will still be fewer COVID-related deaths on the whole than without vaccination.
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No.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplep... [ons.gov.uk]
Moscow on lockdown (Score:2)
Things are so bad in Moscow proper, and Russia in general, that only essential businesses such as grocery stores and pharmacies are allowed to be open. Everyone else must stay at home for nine days [bbc.com].
Things are so bad in Russia they've been following the lead of DeathSantis by fudging the number of deaths. "Officially" the number is around 230,000 dead. However, Russia's own statistics agency puts the true number above 400,000.
Needless to say, Russia has the least number of people vaccinated, percentage wise,
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I wonder about this. Presumably part of vaccine hesitancy in the US was due to Russian disinformation spread over social media. Though at this point they're probably a minority source of disinformation, we're shooting ourselves in the foot quite well on our own.
However it makes me wonder if their disinformation leaked to their populace and is partly responsible for their poor vaccination rate.
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Can't argue with that, certainly.
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> Everyone else must stay at home for nine days [bbc.com].
Hey that's child's play. Here in North America, we stayed at home for just two weeks to flatten the curve.
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Here in N. America, never had to stay home, a few businesses had to close or in the case of restaurants, only do take out and most had to operate under half capacity (according to fire regulations).
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I must have missed them here in BC
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Didn't have to stay home. It was asked that people stay home but it was a very soft quarantine- especially in conservative areas.
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> Everyone else must stay at home for nine days [bbc.com].
Hey that's child's play. Here in North America, we stayed at home for just two weeks to flatten the curve.
For very small values of 'stayed home'.
I'm shocked it didn't work, shocked I tell you.
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and will probably get worse, people are simply not vaccinating or even buying fake vaccine certificates.
All of this I guess come from the government making a crap ass job with the vaccine they created, which they barely tested, and forced onto the population, then tried to sell to other countries, which most didn't want because the testing was not that good and there were several other options, then they decided to whip out the fake new propaganda on the other vaccines and end up hitting themselves internal
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Actually Ukraine is the least vaccinated country in Europe, and not just against covid. Russia is sixth worst.
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We do the same except it's cards not certificates, but the goal is the same. People don't realize you can't lie to a disease.
whatever you do (Score:2)
don't call this vaccine fade
Florida Reaches Lowest Case Rate in the Nation (Score:1)
https://www.nytimes.com/intera... [nytimes.com]
There goes that narrative.
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https://www.nytimes.com/intera... [nytimes.com]
There goes that narrative.
Yep, interesting.
An interesting tidbit (Score:5, Interesting)
Appparently, with all the social distancing, nixing of large gatherings and people wearing masks, there is a strong possibility one of the four major flu virus lines may be extinct [nature.com]. The key word being possibility as the CDC is still on the lookout for this line.
But wait, there's more! While performing a similar number of tests, there was 99% drop in influenza detection. And why might that be?
Behavioural changes (social distancing, mask wearing and hygiene measures) and travel and movement restrictions are thought to be the major factors driving the reduction in influenza incidence, which was also observed for other common respiratory infections such as respiratory syncytial virus.
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I used to have 3-4 colds per year.
I haven't had a cold since Nov 2018.
And I *like* wearing a mask in the winter now. My nose doesn't hurt. Plus my handwashing is much much better than it used to be.
I lost about 7 friends who turned out to really be acquaintances but picked up 4 higher quality friends.
It was the end of my DND game- but honestly- I probably should have called it back in 2017.
Re: An interesting tidbit (Score:2)
Re: An interesting tidbit (Score:2)
Oblig xkcd (Score:2)
Endangered [xkcd.com].
Winning! (Score:2)
We're going to win so much, you're going to get TIRED of WINNING!
Dateless Story (Score:1)
No Date appears in the story. How old is it? Sounds like Propaganda to me!
I found a couple of clues (Score:2)
No Date appears in the story. How old is it? Sounds like Propaganda to me!
There was this at the very top...
PUBLISHED THU, OCT 28 20211:51 PM EDTUPDATED THU, OCT 28 20216:34 PM EDT
And this is the first paragraph...
If anyone can figure it out. Please let us both know.
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It's that time of year again . . . (Score:2)
Not the same, of course. Who wants to be the one to give a preventable disease to someone who survived Scarlet Fever with 1 kidney.
Irony is only funny when people don't get sick
Re:More people died from COVID this year... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: More people died from COVID this year... (Score:2)
Meanwhile, in the real world, rather than your vivid imagination
96.6% of covid cases in over 60s in Wales this last week were in the double jabbed according to public health england.
https://www2.nphs.wales.nhs.uk... [wales.nhs.uk]
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Really? In a population where over 95% are fully vaxxed, 96% of the covid cases happened in the fully vaxxed? You don't say!
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I agree with what you are saying... but ... it's a real link and you should read it.
Because it shows the rate for vaccinated was about double that for unvaccinated.
Over 60: 530/100k vac, 241/100k unvac.
We can speculate on why (vaccinated took more risks, perhaps 530 vs 241 is within the margin of error, unvaccinated may be concentrated in areas with lower population densities, unvaccinated have already been sick so they didn't get vaccinated) but we still should look at hard data and use our brains.
Re: More people died from COVID this year... (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm more interested in Table 2, comparing rates of hospital admissions. Over 60: 71/100k vaxxed, 123/100k unvaxxed. The difference is even more pronounced in the younger demographics. As expected, the vaccines seem to significantly reduce the risk of a severe case of COVID.
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Of 6 rows in two tables where 4 go against your claim, you cherry pick one row as proof that the unvaccinated are getting sicker.
Frankly, I wouldn't think too hard about Table 1 except as an indicator of continued propagation. Mild COVID cases in and of themselves don't concern me too much. However, one likely explanation is that the unvaccinated would not be inclined to go get tested if they have symptoms. The spike in under 18 is likely due to school requirements for testing at the display of symptoms.
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The majority were UNVACCINATED.
Source?
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Try again, with data please.
"Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States" [springer.com]
References cited in the above article:
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Get fucking vaccinated and quit prevaricating and spreading utter bullshit. Grow the fuck up, snowflake.
Re:More people died from COVID this year... (Score:5, Funny)
Get fucking vaccinated and quit prevaricating and spreading utter bullshit. Grow the fuck up, snowflake.
Your courteous, intelligent, logical, fact-based arguments have won me over.
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Welcome to Slashdot, where the comments are made up and the points don't matter.
Or maybe that was Who's Line is it Anyway... hard to keep track.
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the vast majority sick now are vaccinated.
That's just how math works when nearly everyone is vaccinated.
Eventually it will be 99% vaccinated people who are sick. There will still be a few anti-vaxxers around.
The main point is that they won't be as sick as the people who didn't get a vaccine. And much fewer of them will die.
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You poor persecuted Republican anti-vaxxer.
That, in a nutshell, is what some Americans need to get past before they are qualified even to enter the debate about Covid-19. It has nothing whatsoever to do with politics. It is purely a question of medical science.
Incidentally, it would also be good if at some point you could recognise that your Republicrats and your Demoblicans are exactly the same under the skin. And they are both steadily enslaving you all.
https://fathead-movie.com/imag... [fathead-movie.com]
As for the "uneducated anti-vaxxers", they seem to be far bett
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640 vaccinated
I wonder how many of the 640 had compromised immune systems where the vaccine is substantially less effective to not effective at all. If you have a functional immune system it’s likely even less per 51k.
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A local coroner I know mentioned the people he had to throw into body bags. None were vaccinated. The vaccinated people came in with dehydration, got an IV, and were fine.
Sorry, but please stop echoing what unfriendly nation-states have been creating bots to spew. Vaccines do work and they do keep people from winding up in the fridge trailers.
In my personal circle, all who died of C-19 were unvaccinated. The ones that had C-19 and had a vaccination had symptoms of a cold for a few days, and that's it.
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A local coroner I know mentioned the people he had to throw into body bags. None were vaccinated. The vaccinated people came in with dehydration, got an IV, and were fine.
He must know a lot of very pessimistic people...
Heading off to the coroner because they're feeling a bit dehydrated.
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I will probably get modded down for putting in facts and evidence
No, you should modded you down because you are spewing misinformation.
There is no "inaccurate" mod, so I'd suggest going with "troll."
But we know that there are Russian trolls who are deliberately spreading misinformation across the net, so it's actually likely that you are one.
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I provide clear evidence and links and it is misinformation? are you from the ministry of Truth?
No, nonBORG, just stupid and hysterical. And desperate to be part of the crowd with the torches and pitchforks.
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117 % of posts that mention VARS can be safely ignored*.
They often have made up numbers that don't match the claims. Most of them are complete rubbish with no understanding of what VARS even is.
*Yes even this one.
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but I don't know how they qualify to be included if they are outside the US.
No! The data couldn't be unreliable could it?
VARS FAQ: Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS.
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Have a look at your quote. "Especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns." This is what I am using it for right here.
And that's completely fine.
I wasn't really meaning you and your post specifically. I mentioned "all posts about VARS" because they usually aren't doing what you just said.
They pick out any raw data they want from VARS based on the conclusion they have previously already reached, or were told about by some talking head. And then do the opposite of an investigation or study. And they claim the data 'proves they are right'.
That's why I suggested ignoring them all. Wait until there are some proper studies an
Re:More people died from COVID this year... (Score:5, Informative)
Than in 2020 and this is with the vaccines... Many of these deaths, the majority, were people that were vaccinated...
Turns out not. Death rate among vaccinated people is very low.
I'm looking at the data, and the case increase is there, but it's very noisy data. A good portion of the rise is France, and a large part of France only reports cases once a month.
Here's a visualization of the data (without the seven-day smoothing that people often use for the EU), and for the top 25 countries by number of cases: https://91-divoc.com/pages/cov... [91-divoc.com]
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While that appears to be true is it meaningful? Today Florida posted data suggesting they have the lowest COVID19 incidence in the US and second lowest COVID19 deaths incidence in the US. Maybe we do not have quite the grasp on this disease, how it spreads, and how it reacts with people than we think we have. I suspect it is time to indulge in some data mining on a huge scale to learn what is really happening. Simply dismissing the data as Florida is lying is counter productive until you can prove this very
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Simply dismissing the data as Florida is lying is counter productive until you can prove this very recent data set is forged.
It might even be as simple as national figures in the US are forged and Florida broke with the feds and got honest.
Given what has gone on in Florida with regards to reporting this past year, not only does this not pass the pub test, you're running the very real risk of being kicked out of said pub for acting like a rambling drunk.
At this point Florida has no benefit of doubt. If I go out and punch you in the face, would you be unflinching when I raise my first again thinking "this time I'm sure will be different"?
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# USA State TotCases/1M pop Deaths/1M pop Population
1 Mississippi 169,349 3,382 2,976,149
2 Alabama 169,439 3,158 4,903,185
3 New Jersey 134,558 3,147 8,882,190
4 Louisiana 163,103 3,124 4,648,794
5 New York 135,208 2,926 19,453,561
6 Arizona 159,304 2,890 7,278,717
7 Florida 171,909 2,770 21,477,737
8 Arkansas 169,654 2,765 3,017,804
~https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/countr
Flee Fla? Flaw? [Re:More people died from COV...] (Score:2)
While that appears to be true is it meaningful? Today Florida posted data suggesting they have the lowest COVID19 incidence in the US and second lowest COVID19 deaths incidence in the US.
Florida's case rate has dropped, but that doesn't disguise the fact that for months it was the highest in the US, and for a period of two weeks it was the highest in the world. Death rate has dropped to the point where it's about equal to the US average. I agree with you, it's not clear what the data means.
https://91-divoc.com/pages/cov... [91-divoc.com]
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Turns out not. Death rate among vaccinated and unvaccnated people is very low. fixed it for you.
One is lower.
Can you guess which?
It's OK if you need to phone a friend.
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Please keep disinforming people, if they should get any wiser and get vaccinated, I have to go back to the office.
Re:More people died from COVID this year... (Score:5, Insightful)
That 'vaccines' don't work. Variants blow right past every 'vaccine' devised to date
Lies, studies show the vaccines work rather well against variants.
Whatever 'study' you're about to cite is meaningless
OK, you're anti-science.
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There seems to be conflicting data.
"The latest official Public Health data shows that the fully vaccinated accounted for 85% of Covid-19 deaths in the past four weeks, whilst also accounting for 75% of Covid-19 hospitalisations and 61% of alleged Covid-19 cases from September 25th through to October 22nd."
https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/2... [theexpose.uk]
Re:More people died from COVID this year... (Score:5, Insightful)
If 100% of the population is vaccinated, then 100% of those who die are also vaccinated. For example, according to the NHS data the UK has vaccinated practically everyone (95%-ish) over the age of 50. The higher risk, the more likely to be vaccinated obviously. So the tiny percentage of unvaccinated being over-represented in the deaths and hospitalizations by that much means the vaccine is very effective.
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Most deaths are unvaccinated, in the UK cited by the GP, it's approx 70% of adult deaths are unvaccinated with 30% being vaccinated. With the 80+ age group registering the highest number of deaths.
The adult population is over 90% vaccinated, this means 70% of the deaths are coming from less than 10% of the population.
This shows that the vaccine is clearly working at what it was intended to, limiting the hospitalisation and deaths from the virus. That alone makes you the heir to the throne of
Vaccines and Delta coincided (Score:2)
The confounding factor that we're seeing is that vaccination progress coincided with the worldwide rise of the more aggressive Delta variant. Without the vaccines, Delta would have been even more prevalent and deadlier. Widespread vaccinaion at least will make a variant worse than Delta far less likely to arise.
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There seems to be conflicting data.
"The latest official Public Health data shows that the fully vaccinated accounted for 85% of Covid-19 deaths in the past four weeks, whilst also accounting for 75% of Covid-19 hospitalisations and 61% of alleged Covid-19 cases from September 25th through to October 22nd."
https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/2... [theexpose.uk]
That's a known anti-vaxxer hoax site [logically.ai]. You should believe approximately none of what you read there. You'd be better off sticking to more reputable sites <sarcasm>like the National Enquirer or the Daily Mail</sarcasm>.
Not surprisingly, what they're saying is grossly misleading, as is every other similar article that they keep pushing out every couple of weeks. As a percentage of the total number of vaccinated or unvaccinated people, the death rate among the unvaccinated is O(4x) the rate among [politifact.com]
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Indeed ...
And here is the study, despite the original poster not caring about ANY study ...
It is a correspondence, but authors are from reputable institutions, and the journal is well known.
Differential Kinetics of Immune Responses Elicited by Covid-19 Vaccines [nejm.org]
Here is the relevant quote:
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ok, you're dumb as a brick. Why don't you educate yourself?
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https://www.nbcnews.com/health... [nbcnews.com]
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and these fools are to lazy to even know or learn what there being jabbed with
Dunning–Kruger is that you?
Re:More people died from COVID this year... (Score:5, Informative)
That 'vaccines' don't work. Variants blow right past every 'vaccine' devised to date. Whatever 'study' you're about to cite is meaningless when COVID-19 Delta VOI B.1.630a appears next week so can it please; not interested.
Who needs a study?
I suspect you're a fan of "doing your own research", so here's a start [healthline.com]:
In Arizona, 94.1 percent of new COVID-19 cases involve unvaccinated people.
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The number of fully vaccinated people who were hospitalized was only 8,054 as of August, according to the CDC. This is a tiny fraction of the 168 million people who have been fully vaccinated.
A significant portion of these hospitalized cases, 17 percent were among people who showed no symptoms of COVID-19 and were classed as asymptomatic. They may have been hospitalized for a different condition and then found to have had COVID-19.
The rate of hospitalization among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 was effectively zero in recent weeks in California, Delaware, D.C., Indiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Vermont, and Virginia.
It was 0.06 percent in Arkansas, meaning over 99 percent of hospitalizations were unvaccinated.
Over 95 percent of those hospitalized in Alaska and 99.93 percent in New Jersey were not yet fully vaccinated either.
This isn't some crazy meta analysis with a bunch of statistical tests, it's just raw numbers and they demonstrate the vaccine is pretty effective.
The vaccinated can get sick, but the current outbreak is being driven by more contagious variants blowing through the unvaccinated population.
Re:More people died from COVID this year... (Score:4, Insightful)
"... That's not what they say."
This is literally what we're up against.
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not interested.
I suspect you're the perfect target demographic for TRUTH social. Don't give me science, give me Youtube videos!
Honestly I expect nothing less from a recent Russian troll. Wait WTF? Your UID is lower than mine. We got an old-school anti science person here from a time when Slashdot was dedicated to news from nerds. Shit man, I thought you morons died out.
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Apparently hicks everywhere are anti-vaxxers, you might want to check up on Eastern Europe too.
And southern Manitoba. But now here we have this thing called a vaccination passport, which anyone smart can get. Only stupid people are unable to get them (people who have medical reasons for not getting vaccinated are not stupid and can still get their card).
It used to be that telling stupid people from the rest of us was sometimes difficult, unless they do something stupid right in front of you. But now all the smart people have cards showing it, so we can avoid the stupid people as much as possibl
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while American has a disproportionately high share of them, the uneducated hicks and conspiracy nutters exist everywhere.
And Covid, in each new variant, is steadily cleaning them out. It will raise the IQ of the entire world.
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"I can only hope that more conservatives die off leaving the world a better place that way."
Your really that against reading the constitution and balanced budgets you have lost that much grip on reality. Telling the federal government to stay in its lane, that is surely death row stuff.
I do not like the green energy movement in the general case because of their utter stupidity against atomic power and placement useful solutions. Those ecotourist in the antarctic watc
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So you're the other vaccinated Republican! We will be able to hold the 2024 convention all by ourselves, and make up whatever platform we want. I know a Hilton Garden Inn where we can hold it, and perhaps invite Dave Chappelle to do standup. We will be powerless to stop the Ocasio-Cortez administration from coming to pass, but both of us will have a lot of fun razzing it.
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Clearly the boosters aren't enough. We need even more. How about a monthly subscription model?
Can't they just add it to the Chemtrails mix?