'China Will Soon Lead the US in Tech' (nytimes.com) 289
Graham Allison, a professor of government at Harvard, and Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Google, writing in a column for WSJ: Last year China produced 50% of the world's computers and mobile phones; the U.S. produced only 6%. China produces 70 solar panels for each one produced in the U.S., sells four times the number of electric vehicles, and has nine times as many 5G base stations, with network speeds five times as fast as American equivalents. In the advanced technology likely to have the greatest effect on economics and security in the coming decade -- artificial intelligence -- China is ahead of the U.S. in crucial areas.
A spring 2021 report from the National Security Commission on AI warned that China is poised to overtake the U.S. as the global leader in AI by 2030. U.S.-born students are earning roughly as many doctorates each year in AI-related fields as in 1990, while China is on track to graduate twice as many science, technology engineering and mathematics Ph.D.s as the U.S. by 2025. The Harvard report adds that China now clearly tops the U.S. in practical AI applications, including facial recognition, voice recognition and fintech.
The U.S. still has a dominant position in the semiconductor industry, which it has held for almost half a century. But China may soon catch up in two important arenas: semiconductor fabrication and chip design. China's production of semiconductors has surpassed America's, with its share of global production rising to 15% from less than 1% in 1990, while the U.S. share has fallen from 37% to 12%. In 5G, the Pentagon's Defense Innovation Board reports that China is on track to replicate the economic and military advantages America gained from being the global leader in 4G. China has installed 950,000 base stations to America's 100,000. By the end of last year, 150 million Chinese were using 5G mobile phones with average speeds of 300 megabits a second, while only six million Americans had access to 5G with speeds of 60 megabits a second. America's 5G service providers have put more focus on advertising their capabilities than on building infrastructure. The Chinese Communist Party has made no secret of its ambitions: China intends to become the global leader in the technologies that will shape the decades ahead.
A spring 2021 report from the National Security Commission on AI warned that China is poised to overtake the U.S. as the global leader in AI by 2030. U.S.-born students are earning roughly as many doctorates each year in AI-related fields as in 1990, while China is on track to graduate twice as many science, technology engineering and mathematics Ph.D.s as the U.S. by 2025. The Harvard report adds that China now clearly tops the U.S. in practical AI applications, including facial recognition, voice recognition and fintech.
The U.S. still has a dominant position in the semiconductor industry, which it has held for almost half a century. But China may soon catch up in two important arenas: semiconductor fabrication and chip design. China's production of semiconductors has surpassed America's, with its share of global production rising to 15% from less than 1% in 1990, while the U.S. share has fallen from 37% to 12%. In 5G, the Pentagon's Defense Innovation Board reports that China is on track to replicate the economic and military advantages America gained from being the global leader in 4G. China has installed 950,000 base stations to America's 100,000. By the end of last year, 150 million Chinese were using 5G mobile phones with average speeds of 300 megabits a second, while only six million Americans had access to 5G with speeds of 60 megabits a second. America's 5G service providers have put more focus on advertising their capabilities than on building infrastructure. The Chinese Communist Party has made no secret of its ambitions: China intends to become the global leader in the technologies that will shape the decades ahead.
Harvard and Google would know ... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Harvard and Google would know ... (Score:5, Insightful)
They seem to have forgotten that manufacturing technical goods is MANUFACTURING, I do not see any stats for technical advancements, papers published or patents given
Yay! Low cost leader is human capital, they can lead into the next century in the field of wage salvery
Copy Japan's post-war economic recovery ... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Sure, those are your fears (or what you want to project as fears for others), but the article is mostly talking about manufacturing, with only a slight nod to semiconductor chip design, which China pursues for national security reasons fearing that US chips designs are back-doored
But playing to fears, sabre rattling and demanding nationalization only raises costs to consumers and risks of military conflict as treaties fall apart and countries decide that they don't need each other
The US has increase standar
Re:Copy Japan's post-war economic recovery ... (Score:5, Insightful)
And no, low cost Chinese goods did not improve the American standard of living, it only provides a temporary offset to the degrading quality of available jobs.
Your "pure isolationist" argument is both a straw man and a red herring. No one is advocating that. Global trade is fine when it is done fairly, fair with respect to openness and non-predatory behavior. If anyone is advocating an "isolationist" policy it is the Chinese Communist Party that has as a goal domestic design and manufacture of all strategic goods.
Re:Copy Japan's post-war economic recovery ... (Score:5, Insightful)
As someone who has spent 35+ yrs in manufacturing (tech support/mechanical maintenance) in the USA, I can tell you that the whole point of globalization is to be predatory. It was the predators who pushed for it, not the working class. Therefore I favor hard isolationism. If some predators business models collapse and destroy the US economy as collateral damage, then so be it, they deserve to implode rather than exploit the fsvk out of everyone else on the planet. I mean, because its all just a game for hypercompetitive sociopaths.
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If globalization were bad for the poor, poor countries with ports on the coasts would be most impoverished, while landlocked poor countries, isolated from world trade, would prosper.
This is the exact opposite of reality.
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Excuse me? The motive force is money changing hands - individuals buying stuff at Walmart and wherever else imports are sold. The working class was all over that.
Re:Copy Japan's post-war economic recovery ... (Score:5, Insightful)
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> Sure, those are your fears (or what you want to project as fears for others
That's a funny way of trying to spin what has been happening for decades. Do a google search.
Most of your post is reverse FUD nonsense. When you are denial about reality, 'out of touch' seems gracious.
As far as the internet is concerned, first, there were the Clinton scandals:
https://capitalresearch.org/ar... [capitalresearch.org] et al, primarily because Clinton was unfortunate enough to be around as the Internet became ubiquitous, it's likely there
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FYI: 5G is really just a evolution of 4G (the working name was
5-10 years in the future will be some other CEO (Score:3, Insightful)
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> the Chinese Communist Party's plan was to copy Japan's post-war economic recovery.
Follow Japan's model right up until Japan entered into an economic collapse from growing too fast. Two thumbs up.
Re:Copy Japan's post-war economic recovery ... (Score:5, Insightful)
And if they execute that well, one might reasonably expect the outcome will be the same. Economic success initially means cheap wages lead to manufacturing explosion, driving a huge increase in exports, and consequently expertise building up in a few industries. Japan became very good at manufacturing cars for instance, eventually teaching the American pioneers in that industry how it was done. But that success drives up wages, and the processes reverses. Manufacturing moves offshore, followed by expertise hollowing out a bit. By any measure Japan success wasn't a disaster for the US - in fact it almost certainly drove up living standards right around the world.
But whether China will execute as well as Japan is an open question. They looked to have done it pretty well in the early stages following the same pattern. Right up and to and including wages rising and consequently some manufacturing is now moving out of China. Expect that exodus to grow. There is no doubt the flood of cheap goods from China drove up living standards around the world.
Which highlights one of the differences. Japan's rise a was shock to some industries. But Japan with a population of 125M is a mouse compared to China's 1300M. China a pig in the Python. If Japan was a shock to some industries, you'd expect China to suck other countries industries manufacturing dry right around the world, and that's what happened. But if China follows Japan's model that is a temporary thing, not worthy of the hand wringing on display in this article.
The other difference is China isn't an open society where information flow is unrestricted by default. In fact, it's the reverse - the great firewall ensures information flow is centrally controlled by a few elites. Some things are allowed, the rest is blocked by default.
There are those of us who believe allowing the free flow and allocation of capital (as opposed to a centrally planned economy) is the difference between the economic success of say Russia and the US. (Australia, with a mere 25M people, has a bigger economy than Russia - the effect is huge.) And there are those of us who believe the free flow of information is what similarly leads to the intellectual domination of the world.
If you are trying to measure intellectual domination and are looking at measuring solar cell manufacturing, you are doing it wrong. Try looking at how fast brand news ideas move - like self driving cars, acceptance and eventual exploitation of the good points of crypto currencies, or asking yourself whose movies dominate the world. Or which social platform. If you use social platform, things look particularly bad for China. To their credit did produce a new social platform that challenged the US giants (TikTok), which is quite a achievement. But then it moved out of China, because the restrictions on information flow there made continued operation untenable. If your metric is how fast and easily ideas flow through society, that by any measure is a disaster.
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I guess you missed the bits in the summary about the PhD students, chip design? There are lots of stories about patents too.
But keep sitting on those laurels. I'm sure it will work out fine.
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They seem to have forgotten that manufacturing technical goods is MANUFACTURING,
Agree with everything dmb says. But also there's a real problem with the contempt for manufacturing. Manufacturing is where the US got it's lead over Europe in the 1930s and beyond. Manufacturing is the basic "making things" which gives you real practical experience to temper and correct your theoretical knowledge. Manufacturing is the basic thing which makes raw materials available for more advanced processes. Manufacturing is the supply of low skill jobs connected to high knowledge industries which brings people with more basic education back into contributing to the knowledge of the nation.
The whole idea that you can move up the chain whilst abandoning the base - the idea behind Thatcherism and Reaganomics - just doesn't work in real life. Like a software architect who hasn't programmed for 20 years, or a building architect who doesn't understand enough civil engineering to know the materials he's working with, your designs become fantasy, meaning that the practical engineers at the manufacturing site have to do corrections. As they do those corrections they learn everything that is in your mind, together with a whole set of skills you will never understand.
I do not see any stats for technical advancements, papers published or patents given
In 2020 China overtook the US in terms of both science papers published and patents filed. You might argue about average quality, but the direction is clear and some excellent work is included.
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Not necessarily contempt for manufacturing, it is contempt for everybody taking the bait, not bothering to read the heading and getting fooled into thinking that Chinese increase in manufacturing is a increase in technology
It is just fear mongering based on spin, and y'all took the bait
Re:Harvard and Google would know ... (Score:5, Insightful)
The actual head of US space operations stated that China is advancing at twice the rate of the US [cnn.com]. This article is not tricking us into believing something that's untrue. This is just offering a potential explanation of something we already knew. The US needs to get it together and actually start to value science. Global warming denialists; anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers; other anti-science groups; these are not just funny idiots. They are a present and serious danger to the survival of the US.
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Global warming denialists; anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers; other anti-science groups; these are not just funny idiots. They are a present and serious danger to the survival of the US.
Your finger is pointing to the right, but there are plenty of anti-intellectuals on the left as well, such as California's "woke math" - because focusing only on the "correct answer" is supporting the white male patriarchy.
College professors blast "woke math" [nypost.com]
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Looking at this, as with most other "woke" complaints there seems to be lots less to the truth than is being pushed in intellectually subnormal rags like the NY Post - the idea being that calculus will be banned in schools, which is not true [ca.gov]. Don't confuse the many years ongoing collapse in standards of maths education caused by trying to treat teaching as a burger flipping exercise where you can take any idiot of the street and expect them to teach children with something abstract and difficult.
What's sa
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On that same token, we could probably do with less gender studies graduates and more STEM graduates. Despite the common talking points about how humanities graduates are needed, they don't build economies, and they don't make us more competitive. The only thing they're really good at building is student debt.
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In 2020 China overtook the US in terms of both science papers published and patents filed. You might argue about average quality, but the direction is clear and some excellent work is included.
Proving nothing. There may be excellent work, but a large amount is fake research [science.org].
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Google doesn't operate in China. Its services are blocked.
Apple and Microsoft do business there, but Google chose not to.
Re:Harvard and Google would know ... (Score:5, Informative)
Google doesn't operate in China. Its services are blocked. Apple and Microsoft do business there, but Google chose not to.
You are a little out of date.
"Aug. 1, 2018
Google withdrew from China eight years ago to protest the country’s censorship and online hacking. Now, the internet giant is working on a censored search engine for China that will filter websites and search terms that are blacklisted by the Chinese government"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0... [nytimes.com]
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Yep. Google realized all they care about money, and it would be much cheaper to replace workers that have morals than to bail on China completely.
Except, they didn't. The China project was cancelled.
No, they rebranded the work. For example:
"July 11 2019
The OpenPower Foundation — a nonprofit led by Google and IBM executives with the aim of trying to “drive innovation” — has set up a collaboration between IBM, Chinese company Semptian, and U.S. chip manufacturer Xilinx. Together, they have worked to advance a breed of microprocessors that enable computers to analyze vast amounts of data more efficiently. Shenzhen-based Semptian is using the devices to enhance the capabilities
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You are years out of date. There was staff revolt and the project was cancelled.
To this day Google services are blocked in China, including search.
Big Tech wants the government (Score:5, Insightful)
Unsurprising (Score:5, Insightful)
Given the dismal state of the US education system, a gridlocked system of government, entrepreneurs without long-term vision, and the intense polarization of US society, it's not surprising that a centrally-governed country with a leadership capable of implementing long-term planning and forcing its people to go along will achieve technical leadership.
I fear that dark days are ahead for the state of democracy in the world. I would not be surprised if China eventually became the sole superpower and that is not a pleasant thought to contemplate. For all of its faults, if I had to pick a superpower to basically control the world, I'd definitely pick the USA over China or Russia.
US needs to fix student loans (Score:3)
US needs to fix student loans
US needs to fix the students (Score:2, Troll)
US needs to fix student loans
No, the average student loan debt is $35K. The figures that are 5x to 10x that are largely idiots that went to big name private schools on "credit".
What needs to be fixed are the students.
(1) Not everyone needs to go to a 4-year college, trade school at the community college is also a good plan.
(2) Unless rich or on scholarship, stick to State U.
(3) If working on some worthless vanity or pseudo-science degree don't expect any monetary benefit.
(4) Unless mommy/daddy can pay the tuition the 4-year full
Re:US needs to fix the students (Score:5, Insightful)
No, the average student loan debt is $35K. The figures that are 5x to 10x that are largely idiots that went to big name private schools on "credit".
Half of America can’t afford a $400 emergency, 35k is a life changing amount of debt to remove.
Only morons would want to make education unobtainable and seek to create generations of ignorant people bumbling through life unable to reach their potential. Nothing spells long term disaster like making education unaffordable which is why most first world countries educate their citizens for a small fraction of the out of pocket cost Americans pay. University level education should be 100% paid for by the government for any that can pass the entrance qualifications. In fact, countries that provide free college [worldpopul...review.com]
are among the the best places in the world to live [usnews.com].
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I used to disagree with the last part of your statement; the life experiences were a big part of the benefit of going away to university. Today though the cost really needs to be part of the equation, and a real career plan should be a factor.
At the same time though, I have always supported trade schools. Getting through your apprenticeship in the same time as a BS, ending up with your tools and no debt really puts you ahead at least until about 40. By that time it is good idea to have at least some supplem
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How about collaborating with strangers from diverse backgrounds? This is something that education-averse Americans are utterly failing at, directly causing most every problem in this country. Being thrown into collaborative projects with people you don't know during your formative years prepares you for behaving like an actual adult later in life. In the distant past, the military draft did that for some generations of people but we might not want to reinstate that :)
Re:Unsurprising (Score:4, Informative)
No, simply no
China supports low cost manufacturing, which incurs long term costs like damage to water table, lung damage from pollution, and stress of long hours at the rat race
And, in the end, the US can decide that they need the national security of local production and voila, manufacturing increases in America
But, do we really want it?
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Yup, we really turned on a dime with this whole COVID supply chain mess, eh.
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Finance will save us! (Score:2)
No worries, the finance bros will save us! And maybe bitcoin? Probably will end up supplying the world with the two things we are best at making: media and bombs.
Remember where we won the second world war. (Score:5, Insightful)
Not in the snowy exurbs of Moscow.
Not on the beaches of Normandy.
The place we really actually won the war was the factories back home. We lost the entire navy in the Pearl Harbor, save three aircraft carriers. We had over 25 aircraft carriers at the end of the war. It was an war of attrition, and we could sustain a lot more equipment loss than the enemy.
In a war with China, it will be over before it even starts. One surprise attack, next Pearl Harbor style, we would not be able to replace even the random destroyer bombed by pilot mistaking it for a battleship.
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One sour note to forcing manufacturing back to the US for national security reasons is that it will raise costs on consumer goods, resulting in lower quality of life in US, and inflation
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One sour note to forcing manufacturing back to the US for national security reasons is that it will raise costs on consumer goods, resulting in lower quality of life in US, and inflation
As if a lower quality of life and economic woes will not be a result of Chinese Communist Party control of the global economy.
Better domestic employment offsets those high prices. Profits staying in the US and being spent domestically would have a multiplier effect on the US economy and infrastructure. As today's profits are having such an effect modernizing China's cities and military. You can build their economy or you can build your own.
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supply chains which were fine tuned for just in time with no redundancy or cushion.
They weren't fine-tuned for Just In Time. They were stripped to running on the bare minimum.
Just In Time grew out of companies like Toyota trying to manage resource shortages by reducing waste due to stockpiling, which hid manufacturing faults. Companies like Toyota would try to source from as many partnerships as possible so that they could keep things flowing even when unforeseen things happened to some of them.
But then the West took hold of Just In Time, and only saw the cost-cutting aspect and not
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I have to imagine that the someone in the US government realizes that we're getting to a use-it-or-lose-it stage - where our supremacy is going to be extinguished across the board.
Thus, I'd expect that the US is more likely to do a Pearl Harbor style surprise attack, not China, if war actually breaks out.
The US just backed down from a confrontation over Ukraine; it'll be interesting to see if that happens with Taiwan or not.
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You both have nukes. A full scale war is hopefully unlikely.
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Don't recall reading about Navy destroyed at Pearl (Score:3)
And most of the battleships hit hard at Pearl Harbor
Re:Remember where we won the second world war. (Score:4, Insightful)
The Navy had 3 Yorktown carriers when Pearl Harbor happened, but the Essex class was already underway. People often like to claim that America has lost the industrial capacity to build weapons and logistics like World War 2, but they also completely undervalue the fact that many knew a war was coming for a long time, both sides were arming for decades. The Naval Expansion Act of 1938 authorized increasing the size of the Navy by 20% at the time, including up to 7 aircraft carriers. 2 Essex class carriers were already under construction when Pearl Harbor happened, 6 Iowa class hadwhich means the design, the components, and the supply chain was already ready to move, just buy more and accelerate which is what happened.
More importantly, Pearl Harbor did not cripple the US fleet. The carriers were available which was admittedly fortunate, but no one understood the importance of carriers at the time. But Pearl Harbor was a terrible place to attack the US fleet; within 1 year 6 of the 8 battleships knocked out were back in service as were a majority of the support ships.
People also assume that the US has lost industrial capability. That's because they see the decline of importance in the US economy of manufacturing. The US' industrial capacity has actually increased significantly since WW2 according to the US Industrial Production Index. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/INDPRO So the US actually has quite a few factories of all types; it's just that services has become so much more widespread and grow more quickly than industrial output that it makes up a much larger portion of the economy. You might argue "well, but the parts come from overseas!" So what? That's the exact problem that caused World War 2; the US had many overseas "partners" and Japan wanted to own that because they needed parts and raw material from overseas too. Germany was in some ways in the same boat.
Then you make the claim "in a war with CHina, it will be over before it even starts. One surprise attack, next Pearl Harbor style, we wouldn't be able to replace our fleet and it'd be over."
Wow. First of all, a surprise attack like Pearl Harbor would be seen well within the US' ability to respond. In World War 2, radar was in it's infancy, the Japanese fleet could sneak up as the Pacific was so big it was hard to guard even with a good set of picketts. Today we have satellites that track everything every military does. the only possibility of a sneak attack is independent actors in a terror-style attack, but there's no way one could be large enough to cripple the US' ability to wage war.
But more importantly, any country attacking the US would shoot itself in the foot. Too much of the rest of the world depends on the US Market. If the US just chooses to stop buying things from those ocuntries, they don't have the domestic consumption to maintain their economies; they'd have to print money to keep their armies around which would cause inflation and tank their economy. China has such massive debt problems right now that they'd capitulate because they ran out of food and bullets and gas before they broke the US in a conflict.
People need to get it together. The world is different now than the days of WW2. That kind of conflict is so expensive to so many countries that it's just exceedingly unlikely when there are other ways to achieve your aims.
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"We lost the entire navy in the Pearl Harbor, save three aircraft carriers"
What?
US Navy in late 1941:
17 battleships (+15 under construction)
7 aircraft carriers (+11 under construction)
18 heavy cruisers (+8 Baltimore class under construction)
19 light cruisers (+32 Cleveland class under construction)
6 anti-aircraft cruisers (4 in service, 2 nearly ready)
171 destroyers (+188 Benson, Livermore and Fletcher class under construction)
114 submarines (+79 Gato class under construction)
At Pearl we lost...2 BBs and a
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Now 99% of all the hot air of the entire world is produced in one square mile in Washington DC.
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China has more the 4x the population of the US, so for a lot of those numbers, it should be surprising if the US is even close to China. I'd be more interested in per capita numbers, or a comparison of China vs the entire West, which is the real competition.
The nation is suffering rapid population decay and aging. It is not just a numbers game. OTH, the US population is still growing and will grow in this century (and a few immigration tweaks could see the US get to half a billion citizens by 2070.
It is quite possible that China can come to dominate the US in the tech space, but it will not be just because of the population. Why? A brutally centralized government that can gear the largest market in the world into a high-tech war economy path, forcing compani
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Why? A brutally centralized government that can gear the largest market in the world into a high-tech war economy path, forcing companies to shift towards heavy industries and high-value service with military value and abandon anything related to social media or consumerism. There are hints this is where the CCP has put China after cracking down on Alibaba and other too-independent tech companies.
The US still massively outspends every other country on the military, and has more resources dedicated to military industries than every other country.
CCP is trying to manage its economy to prevent any single entity from gaining too much market power, but that's not the same thing as trying to limit consumerism. The last thing CCP wants is for people to be poor or completely powerless against employers, because unsatisfied people means eventual revolt. There is no way CCP would risk ruining China's econo
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Per capita doesn't really matter if you're talking about the number of scientists or technologists, or the amount of money being spent on research or manufacturing. Twice the technologists will still produce twice the results -- or at least a substantially greater amount. Even if it doesn't trickle down to the masses, it still makes for a formidable rival.
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Yes, going by raw population it seems quite reasonable to expect China to be a big deal, and surprising that the US with less than 5% of the world's people has been such a big deal in science and technology.
But even China, with around 18% of the world's population, can't reasonably expect to be as dominant as the US has been in STEM fields over the past seventy years. In fact there are very, good reasons to doubt China will manage to continue punching *at* its weight, much less above it. It boils down to
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Keep in mind that what laws mandate in China is seldom what actually happens. There is no rule of law or accountability for performance. For example in China there are emissions laws for cars, but in practice they don't get enforced, particularly on state enterprises.
The same goes with the new pension system they put in place in 2015. You can read about it here [clb.org.hk]. Not only does the new system do nothing for anyone who isn't already retired, it won't do anything for anyone who is going to retire before 2030
I guess my only hope is to die before I have to le (Score:2)
This might be a Good Thing. I doubt it. If SpaceX becomes Chinesium, that's the end of free market spacefaring progress.
We were warned (Score:5, Insightful)
Remember like a decade or two ago when people said it's a bad idea to move all electronics manufacturing to China, and the counter-argument was "well, intellectual property and research are far more important"? Doesn't seem like such a good idea, now that the obvious has happened.
It's absolutely preposterous that we don't have entire cities dedicated to cutting-edge electronics manufacturing. Outsourcing is a bullshit scam designed to make profitable companies pocket even more money at the expense of lost jobs, lower wages, and helping adversaries.
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It's not just that. The developing world, including China, sees education, and technical education in particular, as their way forward. In Ethiopia if you've got a PhD you're highly respected. In North America people ask why you didn't do the sensible thing and go into finance.
Developing countries pour everything they have into increasing their capabilities, including their human expertise. Developed countries, to varying degree, spend much, much more on generating luxuries instead.
It's basically the same thing the US did to England. Steal their know how, use it to build a domestic base, then innovate right past the complacent old buggers.
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in the that PhD is looking 200K+ loans with Mcjobs saying you have way to much schooling to work hear.
China Still Can't Produce Decent Hand Tools (Score:2)
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I have.
In power tools, the Chinese are building higher quality power tools for lower prices than their domestic counterparts. The reason I haven't replaced my workshop of Chinese-built power tools with their American counterparts is because, even after 20 years, none of them have failed.
I can still remember when the average life of a power drill or saw (American made) was about 2-3 years. China didn't steal our motor-building know-how; they improved it.
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Did it not occur to you that "China" isn't a manufacturer, but that companies manufacture, and that the ones you bought happened to be from crappy manufacturing companies?
Should we judge all US tool manufacturing with their crappiest examples? The Germans probably look with disdain at American tools, just as you do to "Chinese", on the same principles.
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Thanks for allowing our industry to move offshore.
Even assuming this all started with Reagan (who had a Democratic Senate by the way), his term of office ended in 1988 and there have been three Democratic Presidents since then, some of whom had a Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress for some of their terms.
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Thanks for allowing our industry to move offshore.
Even assuming this all started with Reagan (who had a Democratic Senate by the way), his term of office ended in 1988 and there have been three Democratic Presidents since then, some of whom had a Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress for some of their terms.
I don't care what kind of Senate he had, he still implemented the damn thing. Back then they were more prone to be by-partisan, but I can still blame Reagan for the policies and laws he put in place, even though there have been presidents since that could've changed them.
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Let's remember that Clinton, may have beaten down the US national debt but he otherwise, followed the Republican rulebook: Privatization of student loans, hand-outs to 'small government' failures, 'tough on crime' legislation, and his healthcare initiative was killed quietly and quickly.
"Tech" means more than electronics (Score:2)
How soon will China lead the US in water supply and sanitation? [wikipedia.org]
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Huh? How do you sell this to the Western devils? And if you can't, what is it good for?
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Hopefully they won't stop there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
5G really is fast (Score:2)
I must be one of them. I ran a speed test on my phone a couple days ago and the download rate was 487 mbps.
ASML (Score:3, Insightful)
Just remember... (Score:3)
Absolutely no reason why China couldn't repeat the same.
Contrary to what many Americans seem to believe, "American exceptionalism" doesn't really exist. The main reason the US was able to get ahead of the rest of the world technologically was because it was the only major industrialized country that didn't have most of its infrastructure and manufacturing base bombed flat during WWII, and as a result of that it didn't lose decades having to rebuild everything.
So, Republicans then? (Score:3)
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By "alternative math", I assume you mean the mantra that exporting jobs overseas "grows the pie" for everyone?
Re:Alternative math and other poisoned fruit (Score:4, Insightful)
good golly, always got some partisan smoke to blow, eh?
explain to me how any "liberul" US education policy (other than MBA training) supports offshoring manufacturing, since manufacturing jobs require rudimentary education
the only reason that China has stepped up semi chip design (the only item cited that was not manufacturing) is for national security reasons
everything else just requires wage slaves willing to be worked into the ground
Re:Alternative math and other poisoned fruit (Score:4, Informative)
How about 5G wireless tech? Huawei has all the key patents. The latest versions of WiFi too.
China is producing some high end RISC V chips now. Native Linux tablets too LTT reviewed one recently.
China has a lot of EV tech patents. Batteries, drivetrains, motors. The China built Teslas that use Chinese batteries are better than the ones built in the US.
China is leading on renewable energy tech too. It really helps that they install loads of it, great way to stimulate development.
and the US can just make patents an non issue (Score:2)
and the US can just make patents an non issue
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I have a 5G phone and a 4G phone. It's not clear to me that 5G is better in any way.
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So your view of Marines is a bunch of thugs willing to do the right wing-nuts' vision whacking off?
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In that case you'll be welcoming your future as a Chinese vassal. Just remember Jinping's vision of you as a subhuman.
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American dominance may not be ideal for everyone, but the thing is... some other nation will assume the top spot, and how will the world change when that occurs?
The nice thing about America is, we are too busy fighting each other to REALLY screw the rest of the world, imagine a resolved, and unified nation with no reservations on forcing their will.
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Another nation already has assumed the top spot. Where have you been?
"soon", from the headline, would more correctly be phrased as "about 7 or 8 years ago".
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*Comes out from under a rock, puts face mask on, sees the shadow of the dragon and runs back into the cave for another 6 weeks.
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I am a US science professor.
Today I offered both a trans woman and a nonbinary person a job -- one writing computer code for me and another helping me teach. Both understand mathematics quite well -- and the second is going to make sure that their students do, too.
If a future where our engineers are (and are trained by) trans people scares you, then that's your problem. It certainly doesn't scare me.
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In China 2+2=4, in the US it can be a different value because each person is part of a different identity group and you can't share their lived experience!
Don't think you were modded correctly. That wasn't insightful flamebait. It was insightful trolling.
I think the end is in sight for all that stupidity. Not that the stupidity will actually stop. We'll just stop talking about it. I've watched a few ItsAGundam YouTube videos ranting about TikTok videos (for fun and profit) and it's clear to me that all of the bullshit noise is coming from bored, narcissistic children. They'll grow out of it.
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
—Mark Twain
To extend Mark Twain's observation:
Pronouns make the man. Kittenself people have absolutely no influence on society.
—AreYouKiddingMe
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It's easier for smaller countries to upgrade infrastructure. You could probably get away with covering all of belguim with one cell tower. Here it's a different story. It's also easier to convince a few million people to use a tech than 300 million
WW2 damage helped as well to get infrastructure (Score:2)
WW2 damage helped as well to get infrastructure rebuild.
The USA still has lot's of pre WW2 infrastructure around.
Re:US about ten years behind the rest of the world (Score:5, Informative)
USA is has been on the decline since the 80's but is still the major super power for a while yet.
There are other things to fix like
No single payer health care
Still use Imperial
MM/DD/YYYY
HFCS in everything causing an obesity epidemic,
Tipping
Mostly terrible Coffee
Medicine prices and advertising.
No easy bank to other bank transfer.
Voting on Tuesday and electronic voting machines when pen and paper is much better.
Gun violence/culture
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You forgot their rose-tinted view about violence in movies and sex on TV.
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Their major Software strides are based on stolen/reverse-engineered western code usually from grad-students that attend western universities and then intern at Fortune-500 companies that then return home.
If they can reverse-engineer code, they are 10 times more skilled than the people who originally wrote it. If they can improve upon stolen spaghetti code and deliver new features, then they're at least as equally skilled.