Cyber Ninjas Is Shuttering Operations (cnn.com) 152
A user shares a report: The Cyber Ninjas firm that oversaw the problem-plagued review of the 2020 results in Arizona's Maricopa County is shuttering. Rod Thomson, a representative for the Cyber Ninjas, confirmed to CNN that company is shutting down. Thomson said, "$2 million debt from the Arizona audit and endless legal and character attacks on the company by those who opposed the audit make it untenable moving forward." The Cyber Ninjas, which faced months of criticism over the audit's shoddy practices and partisan roots, has encountered a new round of headaches recently. Officials in Maricopa County this week released a detailed rebuttal of the claims the Cyber Ninjas made casting doubt on the validity of ballots. After assessing the Cyber Ninjas' findings, county officials concluded that 76 of their 77 claims were false or misleading.
wont get them out of their court issues (Score:5, Interesting)
Their sanctions will not be discharged and the court will start going after individuals.
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Except the sanctions are against the company and folding the company resolves them. The individuals behind it are protected from most liabilities including these. That's the "Limited Liability" part of "Limited Liability Corporation" and it can and is abused to let people walk away without consequence.
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source https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
(not quite sure how he's going to enforce that)
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Hopefully by holding the corporate officers and board in contempt and jailing them until such time that the documents are produced.
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Re: wont get them out of their court issues (Score:2)
It's a conspiracy! (Score:5, Funny)
Bill Gates, the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, said he hopes Arizona lawmakers ignore the Cyber Ninjas report as they consider overhauling elections laws.
Of course that's what the evil Bill Gates would want! That elitist is in cahoots with all the other liberals and just wants to inject us with mind controlling devices in the "vaccine"!
I know it's a completely different Bill Gates [maricopa.gov], but people who think like this won't know/care.
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Re:"Mind controlling devices"? Really!?! (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:It's a conspiracy! (Score:5, Funny)
I can just see my 5G connections getting better and better the more people get vaccinated!
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I can just see my 5G connections getting better and better the more people get vaccinated!
I was promised 5G, but after getting vaccinated I was only offered 2G https://www.exberliner.com/fea... [exberliner.com]. Apparently though simply testing yourself can upgrade your service to the 3G we all know and love. https://www.iamexpat.de/expat-... [iamexpat.de]
Timing (Score:5, Insightful)
It's generally not a good idea to be part of a failed coup.
Even more so when you join after the coup has already failed.
Of course, I'm sure the players will be ready to go again in 2 years when their side gives it another shot.
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Something, a gloating participant in a successful coup would say, yeah...
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Well, yes, according to the right it seems that a democratic election which doesn't put the right in power is "a successful coup".
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So it is to every losing side of any elections. Just down at this very page there is bullshit about Diebold — which, supposedly, stole Ohio for Bush in 2004 — brought up again. Also look at the discussion of Poland going on right next door down the hall from here. The "right" are holding the upper hand there — and, predictably, the Left are throwing accusations of "totalitarianism" [slashdot.org].
None of this is relevant to whether or not there was a sufficiently massive voting fraud in 2020 to explain J
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Would you agree?
No one with more than 6 functioning brain cells would
agree, when these and every other "irregularity"
brought up by the loony right has been examined
and re-examined and determined to be baseless.
The Trumpers went to court 60 times to establish a
genuine doubt in the election, and lost 60 times,
including with Trump-appointed conservative judges.
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No such examination has taken place — or you would've included citations.
We rate your claim "Mostly False" and assign it Four Pinnochios.
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So it is to every losing side of any elections.
No it isn't. You wish to justify it because "everyone else is doing it", but that ain't so.
The "right" are holding the upper hand there â" and, predictably, the Left are throwing accusations of "totalitarianism".
Yes it's predictable that "the left" throws accusations of "totalitarianism" when proto-fascists go for massive judicial reforms to remove independence of the judiciary. And it's predictable that fascists use that as justification for their own li
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Again, how do you know, that there was not?
Well the massive failure of searching by motivated pro-Trump people to actually find anything concrete except a small amount of fraud in favour of Trump more than settles the debate.
What would need to be different?
Actual evidence. Not insinuation from sore losers, traitors and fascists.
Actually, Trump was leading at first, because those, who actually turned out â" in person â" were voting for him. He only lost later, when massive amounts of mailed-in ball
Re: Timing (Score:5, Insightful)
Those folks intended to reverse the results of a democratic election. In political science, that's called a coup.
This is why folks like myself call libertarians and conservative philosophically incoherent. You can't muster an epistemology that doesn't contradict itself - and you - at every turn.
Get real.
Re: Timing (Score:5, Insightful)
Guns are not required to have a coup. Guns just make it easier.
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Inside, it wasn't an armed insurrection, because nobody was armed
And a coup doesn't have to be an "armed insurrection". But the goalposts do look much better there.
Also, the fact that you have to add "armed" kinda indicates being armed isn't required for an "insurrection" either.
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Inside, it wasn't an armed insurrection, because nobody was armed.
Except for all the people who were. I mean seriously, I'm not expecting that you be aware of what every single person was carrying, but seriously here [sky.com] is one guy most people know about howling in the Capitol in his horned helmet and carrying a spear.
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He was going to throw over the government with a spear.
Of course not. Any single person isn't capable of overthrowing anything. And they had gallows too. More spectacular than a spear.
You guys are a joke.
You are literally a troll account poking fun at rsilvergun who himself is mostly a troll too. Your lack of self awareness is breathtaking.
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It seems kind of pointless trying to reply to a moron who can't keep track of what a message is in reply to from post to post. It requires a severe lack of reading comprehension ability to believe that I claimed that one lunatic was going to overthrow the US government with a spear. Now, I do sincerely believe that you're an idiot, but I am also certain that you didn't really believe that I was claiming that and this is just your pathetic troll idea of how rhetoric works.
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If I had points, this would be +1 Funny.
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I'm curious how you feel about Michael Flynn. I think he makes Ethel Rosenberg look like Betsy fucking Ross by comparison but that's mostly because I'm aware of his attempt to have a non-OIT sanctioned internet connection installed in his Pentagon office.
For folks who lack the child's understanding of computer networking necessary to understand, please consider the following metaphor: it's like building a vault over centuries only to have some idiot come in and install a keyless backdoor without your kno
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Hey OMBad, still trolling under fake names? That rsilvergun guy must have really gotten to you.
Look at how long Watergate took to file charges, but how fast things went once that happened. "The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine" --Henry Wadsworth Longfellow.
It's coming. Tick tock, traitors. Tick tock.
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Liar, there were guns. And what were those handcuff type zip-ties for? They were in the capitol, hunting for people to take hostage or kill. They wanted to kill Mike Pence for not following Trump's bullshit made up unconstitutional plan.
That's an insurrection.
Good to know this issue gets under your skin, thanks for giving out that information! I will use it.
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A mob incited by Dear Leader attacks the Capitol Building with the intent of overturning an election is an attempted coup. The coup was only the pimple on an insurrection, legions of Republicans still vomit the lies Dear Leader tells about "We wuz robbed" with no evidence that was the case. A fair number of them claim violence will be necessary before they "retake" their government. That is an insurrection.
Republicans are the base of the insurrection. They no longer believe in democratic government or this
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The troll doth protest too much. It is so obvious that this hits home with you. You know your guys fucked up big time, and it hurts your pride.
Nice! I'll be sure to bring this up in the future, but for now I think we're done here. Unless you want to incriminate yourself further? Go ahead, but don't expect a response from me, unless it's really top notch trolling. Which you don't seem capable of, but I have been wrong before.
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Missing from TFS (Score:5, Informative)
TFS is missing this interesting piece from TFA:
Meantime, a judge in Arizona's Maricopa County Thursday held the company in contempt and ordered it to pay $50,000 per day in sanctions for failing to provide records related to the so-called audit to the Arizona Republic, according to a report in the Republic.
Thomson said the decision to shut down was made "well before" the judge's ruling.
Re:Missing from TFS (Score:4, Insightful)
So another company does business indirectly with Trump and gets shafted.
Re:Missing from TFS (Score:5, Informative)
So another company does business indirectly with Trump and gets shafted.
That's a long-time, well-known risk of working with/for him -- ask the many contractors he's stiffed for dubious reasons. It's on them for ignoring that at this point. While this case may be more incidental, it fits the pattern as it was based on an obvious lie -- generated to boost his ego and make money. (Stop the Steal is a con.)
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You don't have to be exactly clairvoyant to predict a judge ruling contempt when you plan to ignore his court's order.
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Clue's in the name - CyberNinja not CyberBusiness (Score:3)
Ninjas have a reputation for being stealthy. Their reputation for sound business sense though is untested
The grift is over (Score:5, Insightful)
After taking a few million dollars [forbes.com] from MAGA dullards, and costing the taxpayers of Arizona almost $3 million in destroyed equipment [americanindependent.com], the liars close of up shop and walk away.
But wait! There's more! A judge has ordered the liars be fined $50,000 per day [washingtonexaminer.com] until they release documents sought under the Arizona Public Records law, including texts and emails. This after these grifters were told to do so back in August.
To review, a shady company with no experience in election ballot review was hired by Republicans to conduct a fake audit of ballots in exactly one county in Arizona, not the entire state, which then showed president Joe Biden winning by an even larger margin, immediately closed up shop after their job was done. This same firm must now pay $50,000 per day until they release all the documents they produced during their fake audit because they defied a judge's previous order to produce said documents. Did I miss anything?
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This same firm must now pay $50,000 per day until they release all the documents they produced during their fake audit because they defied a judge's previous order to produce said documents.
My guess is that there is no documents to produce. I'm fairly certain that they did an SQL query, pulled some stuff into Excel, did a SUM, reported what they saw, and then turned off the machine saving none of that and took off with the taxpayer money the Republicans gave them closing shop as they headed out.
I legit think these folks came into this whole thing thinking election audit was about the same as a data analyst doing "data clean up". When they found out that they were in over their heads.. well
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I wonder if the stolen election evidence is on Hunter Biden's laptop?
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If you have a highly sensitive network, and you let adversaries have unfettered physical access to it, all components of that network are compromised and must never be trusted again
It would cost more to prove that the old equipment is not compromised
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It doesn't even have to be adverseries or even outsiders. At my company, when an employee resigns... 100% on good terms with the full 2-week notice, a knowledge transfer, and a positive reference... their laptop goes into the 'not usable' stack until it is inspected for wear-and-tear, activation lock is bypassed, it's re-imaged down to the bare OS, the hardware diagnostics are done and passed, it is serviced by Apple if the diagnostics don't pass, it's re-imaged again if it does go out to Apple, it is re-e
Re:The grift is over (Score:5, Informative)
As a result, it must be inspected, software reloaded, etc. I don't consider this unreasonable. Some people had access to the hardware and software that 'could' have done something, deliberately or even accidentally, that affects future election results.
And that's the part which will cost money. Not sure if you're in the IT field, but anyone who has been in the field knows it's not simply a matter of throwing in a brand new hard drive and calling things good to go. In this case, because of the amount of equipment involved (more than likely some of it custom made), one would have to examine software on the boards to see if they were altered, check for anything added or removed from boards, examine the servers for malware/spyware, and so on. Figure $100/hour, minimum, for this examination. Multiply that by dozens of people over a period of weeks, add in replacement parts, and the $3 million isn't out of reach. Or she may be saying it's better to just replace everything and that figure is the replacement cost.
Regardless, Republicans cost the taxpayers of Arizona money on this fake audit. They came out looking like the clowns they are yet keep doubling down on their lies of voting "integrity" even when their own fake audit showed absolutely nothing funny was going on. Which isn't unusual because whenever Republicans are asked to provide evidence of "vote fraud" they come up empty. Except when it's pointed out it's Republicans who keep violating voting laws by double voting [cbsnews.com], casting votes for others [reuters.com], or having dead people vote [cnn.com]. They even have communities committing vote fraud [orlandosentinel.com] for them.
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Republicans will never stop claiming election fraud, even if they win. They need to keep peddling that lie so they can do voter suppression.
Mission accomplished (Score:2)
Doesn't matter. There's a huge media empire dedicated to pushing the narrative that it's scientifically impossible for a Democrat to win an election. The purpose of this
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- Republicans hire shady firm to audit election
- Audit shows no problem with the election
- rsliivergun: THIS IS THE FAULT OF LEFTISTS AND THEIR LIES!!!!eleven!!!
Fun, Fun, Fun. (Score:2)
Love how CNN article references CNN article instead of official documents from Maricopa County. Circle jerk all the way around.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HM... [youtube.com]
Fainting couch please (Score:2)
What an astonishing development for a tech firm I would not trust to plug in a USB cable.
The Name? (Score:3)
When you put both words together, I expect you to show up to work trying to dress like "someone cool" from a comic book glorifying cyber punk culture and driving a black spray painted Volvo with wheels and a stereo that costs more than the car and a police scanner and a CB radio where you call yourself Master Blaster... which of course is totally tubular.
I would love to see a result of an audit of that company. I bet Master Blaster has some questionable spending habits.
Re:See? (Score:5, Interesting)
county officials concluded that 76 of their 77 claims were false or misleading
See?! There's proof they cancelled about 99% of our claims!!! STOLEN!!!!
Seems the only thing stolen here was money from Arizona taxpayers. I'm betting that while "Cyber Ninjas" may have $2M in debt from the audit, the company's owners made out just fine. Stop the Steal is a fundraising con.
Re:See? (Score:4, Insightful)
It serves two purposes. Grift as you've cited, and attempting to create doubt about election integrity going forward.
These chuckleheads thought that they could go in and sow doubt. Unfortunately they missed the fact that they've only been doing this for a short time, and the county elections employees are very experienced. We all know that elections are infrequent enough that elections workers might not have the sort of day to day experience that one would want, but at the same time those that do choose to work this role take their work seriously and the county has figured out how to add checks and balances to the counting process.
This wasn't so much a grizzled old detective bringing in a schmuck that got in trouble for the first time for an interview and getting him to spill his guts, this was more like a retired cop turned PI being brought in for an interview by a young constable who has no idea what he's doing, to the point that the young constable accidentally destroys his own chain of custody for evidence.
"Cyber Ninjas" bit off more than they could chew. By population, Maricopa County is the fourth largest county in the nation. It's going to have the resources to both do the election right and to fight of any idiots like these people.
[bully Nelson Muntz, pointing jeeringly] (Score:2)
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Ensure, not insure. But no. This is not the same people, simply claiming they did not cheat. This is judges, outside agencies, elected officials, even hired ninjas, from both parties, and neither, all who found nearly nothing. And what they did find, you ask? Republicans voting more than once because Trump lied to them that the other side was cheating.
Let that sink in. The only cheaters were Republican voters.
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In this case, it actually _is_ the county election officials claiming that the county election officials (themselves) did not cheat.
Of course, it's not just "claim", it's "claim and give proof showing that all of the accusations were not just wrong, but laughably wrong." It's kinda like your grandfather pulling a coin from your ear, and you accusing him of violating the "matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed" physics law.
I assume that Cyber Ninjas is closing in an idiotic attempt to not turn ove
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But that's making it sound like it's only them claiming that, which is wrong, as there is (as you point out) evidence from other sources.
Re:See? (Score:5, Informative)
The evidence is the report from Cyber Ninjas and the response report from Maricopa county. Did you read them? If not, I'll summarize:
Cyber Ninjas: we got about the same results as the official counts. But here is a list of things which we didn't understand, and we didn't ask anyone about them or investigate them further, so logically this proves that the elections were rigged.
Maricopa County: we looked at the cyber ninja list, and if they had asked us (or anyone with experience in elections, like election auditors) they would have seen that these were normal. So we'll describe each item in the list and explain in detail why each item is fine.
So sure, there is "evidence" on both sides, but one side's evidence is complaints with no understanding or explanation, and the other side's evidence is detailed explanation as to why each item is not a problem. Just a few minutes of reading shows that Cyber Ninjas didn't find any issues and don't understand elections or how to audit them.
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News isn't news because it's for profit. All news now caters to a base of targeted demographics. Mat Taibbi's book, Hate Inc, chronicles the decline of journalism. It's an excellent read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org].
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Re: CNN isn't news. CNN is Fake News. (Score:5, Informative)
The BBC, according to countless studies, is damn-near neutral, or at least is one of the closest to neutral of those organizations out there.
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The BBC has been investigated numerous times. It is not leftist, it certainly isn't socialist, your accusations simply do not hold up to any scrutiny.
Re: CNN isn't news. CNN is Fake News. (Score:2)
Viewed from a brainwashed perspective, everything is left wing. I'm sure in North Korea loads of people honestly believe that the rest of the world is worse off than they are.
However, once you have been part of events in the news, you know that while certain media publish nonsense, others publish facts. Some publish innuendo and hearsay, others only facts that have been observed by at least two people.
Steve Bannom said "flood the zone with shit", making it impossible to tell truth from falsehoods, giving "t
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The BBC is leftist and socialist.
Says one of the many troll accounts spouting nothing but right wing nonsense to you. Compared to you and the many slashdot accounts you have with misspellings of rsilvergun (seriously dude Slashdot doesn't ban anyone, one account is enough), the entire world is left wing.
Re:CNN isn't news. CNN is Fake News. (Score:5, Interesting)
"...which faced months of criticism over the audit's shoddy practices and partisan roots..."
This report isn't news, ladies and gentlemen. That is called "yellow journalism" and it is meant to shape the reader's opinion of the subject, rather than inform them of the facts. I wish Slashdot would stop sharing articles from deeply partisan media outlets.
Because reporting the facts is now "partisan" media. /s
But let's go to other news sources and see what they have to say on the matter. Here's what [yahoo.com] the county commissioners had to say about the "audit". It's completey false. Oh look, a news source from Arizona [phoenixnewtimes.com] saying the exact same thing. Oh my, another Arizona news source [12news.com] saying the same thing as CNN. Here's a story from last year [npr.org] talking about the criticism of the fake audit. And another story [ktar.com] from last year, this time about Arizon's Secretary of State criticizing Republicans for wasting taxpayer dollars on the fake audit.
It's almost as if a multitude of news agencies were and are reporting the exact same thing as CNN. It's as if what you're saying is all a lie.
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Because reporting the facts is now "partisan" media.
Yes, because reality has a well known liberal bias.
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At some point, trying to be neutral turns reporting into a lie. I mean, what is your claim here? Are you claiming that they did not have shoddy practices and that it's biased to say they did? Are you claiming that the audit did not have partisan roots? (Note: these are not rhetorical questions)
Would you claim that's it's yellow journalism to say that the inspectors at the Surfside Condo building in Florida had shoddy practices (before it collapsed)? At what point is it not yellow journalism to claim that pr
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Blah blah blah scores of court cases filed over fraud and all of them tossed out. Some even by judges appointed by Trump. Got any more bullshit to peddle?
If Biden loses or doesn’t run in 2024 I want Kamala to say she will not certify the electoral college results. I imagine republican heads would explode over that one!
Re:The elephant in the room is our elections suck (Score:5, Informative)
In many parts of the USA, our process of securing and authenticating input to the elections is so shoddy that you have to be a starry-eyed true-believer in stereotypical middle school civics classes to not believe our process is hot garbage which a foreign intelligence service could easily cripple.
Or a realist who thinks through the problem.
Physical votes are cast by individual voters, just how do you plan on recruiting enough people willing to cast fraudulent votes in order to actually sway an election?
Even mail in votes are sent by individual voters, intercepting cast ballots in the mail system isn't very easy, and casting your own ballot on someone's behalf fails the moment they try to vote and realize they already voted.
And that's just the process. Add in the fact that we have very closed source, very proprietary and ALSO--very low budget--voting machines. Most geeks know the attribute triangle: fast, cheap, quality.
And completely irrelevant.
You're being (deliberately?) imprecise by saying "voting machines".
There's two types of voting machines, first, the ones that actually cast votes. And there is a very serious concern there if they don't include a voter-verifiable paper ballot [wikipedia.org]. But I don't think there's many of those around anymore.
The second are vote tabulating machines, which don't really matter much because they only count ballots in a non-destructive manner. The machine could literally spit out random numbers and it wouldn't matter because the hand audit would catch the discrepancy and a hand recount would find the proper tally.
The idea that Biden's people stole the election is hardly an insane conspiracy theory.
Yes it is an insane conspiracy theory because there's literally no evidence. There's been lots of speculative claims made, but every time one of those claims is turned into a testable hypothesis it is conclusively disproven.
There's evidence that Bush's people stole the 2004 election through Diebold.
I'll admit to wondering about that at the time, it was certainly stealable. But the people who understand polling and the voting process, people who were quite often Democrats, looked at the evidence and concluded that the results were legit.
Similarly, in 2000, the election was wrongly decided in some significant ways, not only did more legal Florida voters TRY to vote for Gore, but if a statewide recount under a common standard was allowed Gore would have won. But by the rules of the election Bush
legitimately won.
Consider how little the other side resisted the official result of an election they should have won (2000), an election YOU (wrongly) think they should have won (2004), and an election likely decided by improper influence (2016, Russian interference and Comey improperly announcing one FBI investigation and not the other) and why they did so. The stability of your country relies on the peaceful and mutually agreed transfer of power.
If Trump had succeeded in overturning the result in 2020 the result wouldn't be a 2nd Trump term as POTUS, it would have been a civil war. And if in 2024 he makes the same play and succeeds then again, that's going to be the outcome.
Re: The elephant in the room is our elections suck (Score:3)
Trump wants a civil war. Most 2Aers are Trumpists and he has several heavily armed militia on his side, along with perhaps a third of the US Armed Forces according to surveys of extremism within it.
The FBI don't list white extremists, apparently, because they're terrified such a list will be used by police as a way to contact and coordinate with terrorists. At least according to allegations printed in the UK's Guardian newspaper.
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I've never heard of that. Do you have any sources where they have any evidence of this conspiracy theory? People should know about it. Trump had a peaceful transfer of power. It seems extraordinarily unbelievable that he would want a civil war after giving up office. You must have some pretty compelling evidence to make such an extreme claim.
Are you suggesting a third of Armed forces are on the side of this civil war claim you are making or are you using "on his side" in some other way which is unclear? Is
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I've never heard of that. Do you have any sources where they have any evidence of this conspiracy theory? People should know about it.
Trump doesn't want a civil war, but he'd be willing to endure one to be in power. I don't know how he'll react to a loss in 2024 (assuming he runs), but imagine his substitute elector scheme in 2020 worked and the SCOTUS proclaimed him president. Do you think the rest of the country would have gone along with it? The only way his plan in 2020 worked was winning a civil war, and he was willing to go through with it.
Trump had a peaceful transfer of power.
Because not enough people were willing to back him in overthrowing the election. There's multi
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The Democrats certainly aren't socialist and the majority are right of Reagan. There's already a low grade civil war, and yes Trump started it and wants it. You blaming the left for your violence and xenophobia is nobody's problem but yours.
Re: The elephant in the room is our elections suck (Score:2)
Biden certainly didn't steal the election.
Now, your point about voting machines is valid, as most of those in Republican areas don't provide any means to audit and we know Republican officials didn't always zero the machines after testing.
But it's doubtful such errors would be sufficient and it's almost impossible that such areas decided to support Biden.
I'd rather voting machines that allowed auditing, and it's certainly doable, but a far larger problem is Republican areas effectively denying Democrat vote
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It was done by changing the way the election was run at the last moment against the laws in most states to allow more mail in balloting which heavily favored him in the prevailing circumstances
The laws in most states actually give the Secretary of State a great deal of leeway in how an election is run. The various state of emergency declarations in those states further expanded the legal leeway.
Oh, and it was actually one state where courts ruled the Secretary of State overstepped their legal power. And it was before the election so they reversed the changes.
But fucking Biden man! Bastard tried to get more votes than his opponent legally!! The jerk.
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So Biden stole the election by getting more people to vote for him? Wow he should be in jail for that!
Re:Diebold my tail (Score:5, Interesting)
By the standards of evidence we apply to other countries [bbc.com] there is plenty of evidence of misconduct.
That there is. Absolute shit tons of evidence of Republican electoral misconduct. Not so much for anyone else, despite the fact that the probes are almost all Republican initiated.
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Why, there being a "shit tons" of it, did you not link to any?
Re:Diebold my tail (Score:4, Interesting)
Why, there being a "shit tons" of it, did you not link to any?
There wasn't shit tons of Republican electoral misconduct in 2020, at least not if we're talking about actual attempts to submit fraudulent votes. The AP found only a few hundred cases in their extensive review of states under dispute.
However, it is the case that in most of the tiny number of invalid votes where the culprits were identified, the culprits were Republicans. I think a lot of this was probably driven by Trump's fraud rhetoric, which prompted his supporters to attempt vote fraud in order to prove him right. One notable example was Kirk Hartle, who submitted his dead wife's ballot. Of course, we don't know how he filled that ballot out, but it's reasonable to assume that the fraudulent vote was for Trump, since Kirk and his wife were Republicans and Kirk sponsored a Trump rally through his business. https://apnews.com/article/bus... [apnews.com]
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There was that one elderly woman who was a Democrat who committed voter fraud (not in Arizona I think) by voting with her recently dead husband's ballot. Of course, although she was a Democrat, her fraudulent vote was for Trump (since her husband was going to vote for Trump and she was trying to respect his wishes).
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Because it's all common knowledge: The election's losing candidate tried to overthrow the election to maintain his power. If you need a link to know what happened then you need to start occasionally reading the news.
There have been some cases reported of some Republicans committing small scale electoral misconduct, like voting multiple times. I'm sure a few Democrats did that too. This is important, and I don't want to minimize such issues, but the big issue in the 2020 election was what Trump and allies d
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You replied to a post requesting evidence without including the evidence. This means, you don't have evidence. Which, by the standards of the last several years, means, you are lying. 4 Pinocchios, Mostly False.
No, the actual loser hasn't lifted a finger, actually.
What if the news-sources are contr
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The only one convicted of misconduct was a Republican candidate for a State election after he illegally collected absentee ballots and destroyed or edited those for his Democrat rival.
Of the other court cases involving electoral abuses, most were of Republican gerrymandering.
There is a pattern here.
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Why would you lie about such an easily-verified thing? Here is from the front-page of a simple Google-search:
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The first one isn't even the election, someone sent applications for a primary filled in with a party, while the second is unclear what happened, could just be anti-voting laws from Texas.
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Well I hope the prosecute her and if they find her guilty then she should receive punishment.
On the other hand we have Republicans hiring firms that are literally rigging elections by selectively collecting votes, but they just get a "do-over" election. Republican state officials even went as far as erasing voting records to escape a court order investigating results. What's worse are Republicans try to make it so less people can vote by putting onerous restrictions to prevent virtually not-existent voter
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And Democratic attorney general refuses to prosecute. The AP news describes it as some sheriff trying to overturn the election even though it is only a small case. https://apnews.com/article/cor... [apnews.com]
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Wow 8 cases where the sheriff thought the people shouldn't have voted but declined to refer anyone for charges. Given they were old people, they probably voted for Trump too.
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What fact/rumor/allegation would he need to see?
Oh yes, facts, rumours and allegations are all equivalent in the minds of the right.
By the standards of evidence we apply to other countries there is plenty of evidence of misconduct.
There's plenty evidence of tiny amounts of misconduct in favour of the Republican party (who lost).
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