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Thousands of Planes Are Flying Empty and No One Can Stop Them (wired.com) 119

"A pre-pandemic policy on airport usage is pressuring airlines to keep 'ghost flights' in the air," Wired reported this week — adding "The climate impact is massive." Lufthansa, Germany's national airline, which is based in Frankfurt, has admitted to running 21,000 empty flights this winter, using its own planes and those of its Belgian subsidiary, Brussels Airlines, in an attempt to keep hold of airport slots. Although anti-air travel campaigners believe ghost flights are a widespread issue that airlines don't publicly disclose, Lufthansa is so far the only airline to go public about its own figures.... Lufthansa's own chief executive, Carsten Spohr [said] the journeys were "empty, unnecessary flights just to secure our landing and takeoff rights." But the company argues that it can't change its approach: Those ghost flights are happening because airlines are required to conduct a certain proportion of their planned flights in order to keep slots at high-trafficked airports.

A Greenpeace analysis indicates that if Lufthansa's practice of operating no-passenger flights were replicated equally across the European aviation sector, it would mean that more than 100,000 "ghost flights" were operating in Europe this year, spitting out carbon dioxide emissions equivalent to 1.4 million gas-guzzling cars. "We're in a climate crisis, and the transport sector has the fastest-growing emissions in the EU," says Greenpeace spokesperson Herwig Schuster. "Pointless, polluting 'ghost flights' are just the tip of the iceberg."

Aviation analysts are split on the scale of the ghost flight problem. Some believe the issue has been overhyped and is likely not more prevalent than the few airlines that have admitted to operating them. Others say there are likely tens of thousands of such flights operating — with their carriers declining to say anything because of the PR blowback.

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Thousands of Planes Are Flying Empty and No One Can Stop Them

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 06, 2022 @08:39AM (#62242517)
    Of course they can be stopped - buy the airlines or through change of policy. Just nobody wants to do so.
    • by larwe ( 858929 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @08:50AM (#62242545)
      Exactly - "We've tried nothing, and we're out of ideas". A single stroke of the pen could completely eliminate this pointless contractual activity.
      • by IdanceNmyCar ( 7335658 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @09:11AM (#62242581)

        The headline make it sound this way to create the clickbait. I clicked, so maybe it works.

        The article seems clear that what is needed is change in policy and even name one policy body which is responsible for these changes. What it perhaps fails to outline well is the percentage of total flights, especially at these airports. The commission in charge in Europe did lower the limit but is pushing for it to rise back up, as outlined again in the article. What's less clear is how reasonable this push is and if the air traffic will recoup in time.

        Without a better statistical breakdown, the article is as stated clickbait and meant to enrage. Note I am not saying this is an issue but I also don't know if there is a clean solution for fixing it. One might think percentage of used slots per the airports "load" of active flights could better reduce this though again it's not clear that this would not immediately benefit the low-cost airlines allowing them to eat up the slots of other carriers and in turn reduce the quality of flights provided forcing other airlines out. It's also not immediately clear at what rate the slots are surrendered which may provide some opportunity in a sense of policy change. Finally, there is the case that if slots were surrendered in the wrong way and policy change was made relative to the load of an airport that low-cost providers could further squat by being able to reduce prices of enough flights to meet a threshold and grab further slots from others not willing to reduce prices. All and all, I would like to think there is a "simple solution" but there are likely a few caveats.

        Finally the biggest issue is the nature of the Commission itself. What oversight do they have in terms of environmental concerns? Likely none, by raising the threshold later this year they attempt to push the industry to regain position as a common means of travel and better the economic position of the industry. I see little other reason for them to push this, so it seems the clearest issue is the body in charge of policy likely doesn't care which requires much more serious reform and thus greater public outrage to get politicians to initial the necessary changes.

        • I'm very confident that the EU, if they put their mind to it, could implement a policy change that would stop the practice in short order.

          • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

            by Anonymous Coward

            I'm very confident that the EU, if they put their mind to it, could implement a policy change that would stop the practice in short order.

            The EU is working on this right now. The plan is to fine Google and Apple each 2 Billion Euros/

            • Of course you're getting down votes, but maybe you're onto something. The EU seems to be completely out of their element on how to solve something when there isn't a large American company to fine.
          • It's the EU policies that force the airlines to fly empty planes to keep the coveted airport slots. Trust me if the airlines could consolidate several near empty flights into one near full flight without reprisal, they would.

        • by tlhIngan ( 30335 ) <slashdot.worf@net> on Monday February 07, 2022 @06:00AM (#62245357)

          The policy is simple - just stop the idea of needing to use your slots while the airport is not busy. The only reason the system exists is because many airports in Europe pre-pandemic were full - there was no way to schedule in another flight - the airport was at 100% utilization. Thus the slots became valuable and there was a use it or lose it policy. Oh sure, there were maybe a handful of flights that were empty because the slots were in-between leases (the owners could sub-lease out their slot to another airline for a period of time), but when the airport is full, it makes sense to have the policy.

          If current passenger loads are such that it's not useful to have 100% airport utilization, then the policy should be suspended until airport utilization creeps up to 100% again. Then you can enforce the policy when 90% of the slots are being utilized again as it signals air traffic has resumed to the point that flights are picking up.

          Instead of trying to predict when air traffic will pick up the policy should be more organic - some places the traffic will pick up quicker than others and those places should re-implement the policy wen it's appropriate.

          Of course, slot holders would hate it because it devalues their slot holdings - if a formerly full airport takes longer to recover, then holding the slot is less valuable because maybe someone else might simply abandon their slots and everyone will see a non-full airport. So it's in their interest to pretend the airport is full to keep slot values high.

          In that case, all the EU needs to do is implement a CO2 surcharge - the more empty seats, the more they pay in having a too-big plane for the load factor. Punish those flying a plane just for the sake of keeping a virtual piece of property.

          • Your solutions sound fair and reasonable, a kin to what I was suggesting about capacity of the airport.

          • by larwe ( 858929 )

            slot holders would hate it because it devalues their slot holdings

            This is absolutely key. Airlines hold those slots because owning them is directly linked to their market valuation. Large sums of money change hands when those slots get reallocated - both in the share market, and in other arenas.

      • That is not true at all, as every airport has its own rules. There is no single or central authority who can change the policies at all of the world's airports.
        • The majority of the flights by the companies mentioned in the article are going to be in Europe.

          The EU can set policies that all airports within the Eurozone must abide by.

      • "Look at what you made me do, honey? You think I like hitting you?!"

        That's what this sounds like.

        You'd think it would be far cheaper (emissions set aside) to renegotiated whatever agreement and write a check.

    • by anonymouscoward52236 ( 6163996 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @08:59AM (#62242563)

      I've never seen a $1 flight. Why is there a floor to ticket prices even though there are ghost flights? It seems like some sort of market manipulation / poisoning.

        "We will run this bus all around town, but its weird. Nobody will pay the $1,000 ticket price!"

      • by vadim_t ( 324782 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @09:09AM (#62242573) Homepage

        There's a cost to taking in passengers. Somebody has to be at the gate, luggage needs to be loaded, the plane needs to be cleaned, crew must be present, food/drinks/etc must be loaded, etc.

        As far as I know, if there are no passengers, the airplane can fly with just the pilots in it. Adding even a single passenger would increase costs dramatically.

        • As far as I know, if there are no passengers, the airplane can fly with just the pilots in it. Adding even a single passenger would increase costs dramatically.

          Yes, and dramatically well beyond the cost of a single passenger. Or even two. Or perhaps even a dozen.

          So now it really starts to expand the investigation...what is your break-even for flying the damn plane, because if you thought there were a lot of zero passenger flights in the last two years...just imagine how many dozen-or-less passenger flights also massively contributed to this problem.

          • If all you care about is monetary break-even, then sell a handful of business class seats at full(ish) price and you're all good to go. Hell, you could even fly the plane without loading all the crap you need for the economy travellers and save yourself a load of costs.

            Things get really tricky if you look for a sort of carbon break-even. When is it worth flying the plane for the planet as a whole? I couldn't tell you, but the way flights are taxed, we're never likely to find out. If each plane got taxed ins

            • If all you care about is monetary break-even, then sell a handful of business class seats at full(ish) price and you're all good to go. Hell, you could even fly the plane without loading all the crap you need for the economy travellers and save yourself a load of costs.

              Things get really tricky if you look for a sort of carbon break-even. When is it worth flying the plane for the planet as a whole? I couldn't tell you, but the way flights are taxed, we're never likely to find out. If each plane got taxed instead of each passenger, then you'd see a lot more full planes than you have done in 20 years.

              I'd say from a business perspective, things get VERY tricky when you're taking a rather considerable loss every time you put the plane in the air, all to ensure you secure or maintain your plane/airport contract. How long can you sustain a loss against an expense?

              And a "handful" of business class seats (let's say 10@$1K each), doesn't even cover the fuel costs. A Boeing 747 will burn a gallon a second. That's 18,000 gallons over a 5-hour flight. You do the break-even math.

        • Correct which means not only is there a floor to ticket prices but a related capacity to achieve that floor. This is how the low-cost airlines work. Reduce cost but cancel at a higher thresholds of passengers for consider the flight, underbooked. You can also adjust the price per ticket relatively.

          Airlines clearly do this already a lot with how they determine a ticket price based on things like browser cookies. However, the objective has been to maximize profit and as such you explain how the empty flight c

          • Even low-cost carriers are not in the habit of cancelling flights due to low ticket sales. It's the job of the capacity managers to make sure this doesn't happen very often but planning the routes and prices ahead of time based on good models of demand. I am not intimately familiar with low-cost airlines' exact business models. But like their full-cost competitors, they have sophisticated pricing algorithms. And they don't keep flying routes where the planes don't fill up most of the time.
          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Airlines used to sell tickets for 1 Euro, I don't know if they still do. The business model was that if they have empty seats they might as well fill them and hope that the lucky customer decides to spend some of the money they saved on in-flight drinks or extra luggage.

            I guess they thought that the extra fuel cost was below the average amount they took in from the extras. Ryanair is notorious for it, basically everything beyond the seat is a paid extra.

            • Sounds like "loss leading". This works as long as you basically are already breaking even on the flight or majority of the times that route flies. I think European airlines seem to be less predator in this regard though. For instance, I wonder when they would decide to set the "1 euro" price? I am guessing maybe a day or two before the scheduled departure? In the US flights seem to follow the inverse, where the cost of the ticket rises if you place it too late.

              China has done weird things with these. Like th

        • Right but the flights are probably not priced this way. Because once you've added one passenger, the incremental cost of a second passenger is much lower. And, at some point, you want to be running reasonably full flights. If you priced the first ticket as the incremental cost of the first passenger, you'd never sell any tickets. I am not a capacity manager at an airline. But you can see this if you just search for tickets. At minimum the ticket will always cost the incremental *fuel* cost.

          The input

      • by mobby_6kl ( 668092 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @11:37AM (#62242829)

        I've never seen a $1 flight.

        Check out Ryanair or Wizzair!

        • Those are 1$ for the first few early birds, the price scales automatically with the ticket sales and the days left before departure. It doesn't mean the flight will be 1$ for simply everyone.
        • by mjwx ( 966435 )

          I've never seen a $1 flight.

          How do you easily turn £1 into £40?

          Check out Ryanair or Wizzair!

      • >I've never seen a $1 flight. Why is there a floor to ticket prices even though there are ghost flights? It seems like some sort of market manipulation / poisoning.

        I flew first class from Zurich to Los Angeles for about $350 in 2019. I am not convinced that even covered the fuel, but that's not the only time I found some ridiculously cheap seats. You just kinda have to look around.

      • Because the landing fees are per passenger.
        So the cheapest flight is at the price of the landing fee.

    • They are transporting cargo on those flights, so they are not flying empty.
      • They may be transporting cargo on some flights, so not all are flying empty.
      • Then why the hell do we have a pandemic "supply chain problem"?
        • by omnichad ( 1198475 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @12:14PM (#62242935) Homepage

          Planes seem very big, but their cargo capacity is miniscule next to a fully loaded container ship. Still, those ships are making it to their destination and there are several legs of transit to go that are also backed up.

        • by jabuzz ( 182671 )

          Because transportation is only one factor in the supply chain problems. Others are things like production capacity. Car manufactures are having a "chip" shortage the problem is not getting the chips from the factory gate to the car assembly plant. The problem is that there are not enough chips leaving the factory in the first place.

          I say "chip" shortage it is more a general component shortage. Everything from capacitors to fans and everything in between is subject to shortages.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Of course they can be stopped - buy the airlines or through change of policy. Just nobody wants to do so.

      If there are "thousands of empty planes" whizzing around, then why is everyone's flight getting cancelled right now?

      Something tells me that cub journalist hyperbole is in play here.

      • Partially due to running out of crew. Partially due to economics. Remember these rules only apply to the *busiest* airports where landing rights are a premium. Flights are not running empty between secondary airports
    • by jd ( 1658 )

      Except the airlines CAN'T stop the flights, they'll lose access to airports. You have to buy the AIRPORTS.

    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      I agree - empty flights should be stopped.

      The only reason they do exist is that the airlines want to keep their slot times, nothing else.

      The slot times were a bad idea when conceived, I remember that I had to wait for the flight to take off just because they were waiting for their slot time even though neither the point of departure nor destination really were busy.

      • I remember that I had to wait for the flight to take off just because they were waiting for their slot time even though neither the point of departure nor destination really were busy.

        You can't really just take off earlier if the airport isn't busy. Tickets are sold based on departure times. People who get there on time for their flight and find it left early because it wasn't busy will not be impressed.

        • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

          We had already boarded and was sitting waiting at the taxiway, nothing to do with departure time - technically we already had departed.

      • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

        I agree - empty flights should be stopped.

        The only reason they do exist is that the airlines want to keep their slot times, nothing else.

        The slot times were a bad idea when conceived, I remember that I had to wait for the flight to take off just because they were waiting for their slot time even though neither the point of departure nor destination really were busy.

        It's not just about the departure or destination. It also has to do with the route being flown and separation of the aircraft. There are thousands of planes in the air at any given moment, and you can't just launch one into a route whenever you please.

    • >> Thousands of Planes Are Flying Empty and No One Can Stop Them

      Wow, Trevor Jacob started a meme !
      Did all those pilot jump out with a parachute ?

    • by vlad30 ( 44644 )

      Of course they can be stopped - buy the airlines or through change of policy. Just nobody wants to do so.

      Take-Off and landing fees for airports and governments, Keeping people employed for them as well as airlines, Not storing planes and incurring charges, and currently acting as freight transport for Vaccines and PPE etc a few reasons why they are still flying

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      The same thing has been happening with trains for decades. Phantom services where an empty train makes a pointless journey, purely to satisfy the requirements of the franchise contract.

  • by Black Parrot ( 19622 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @08:50AM (#62242547)

    We're in a climate crisis... Pointless, polluting 'ghost flights' are just the tip of the iceberg.

    Fortunately the climate crisis will melt that iceberg, then everything will be ok.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by jonathantn ( 6373084 )
      It's so real that the elites are buying large estates high atop mountains instead of 1 ft above sea level.
      • by q_e_t ( 5104099 )
        If you are in the 0.01% you can afford to buy a beachfront property and use it for 20 years and then write it off. It says nothing about whether they think climate change is real or not.
  • not to make an exception to their rule for the pandemic?

    • They did make an exception... what's being asked is, what is it enough and are changes to the policy towards pre-pandemic amounts too agreesive.

      • by msauve ( 701917 )
        They need to change the rules to require a certain amount of paid seats. If they lose a slot, they get first priority when they can resume flights with butts-in-seats. If another airline can do so earlier, that's what competition is all about. The whole purpose of slots is to ensure efficient use of airport resources, which isn't happening.
        • by Bert64 ( 520050 )

          Some airlines are beholden to policies at their hub country...
          For instance Europe and the US have opened up a lot more flights, where Hong Kong is still highly restrictive. This means an airline like Cathay cannot fly into their EU/US slots from HK, but a local airline flying short haul flights around the EU could use those slots.
          This would end up forcing out the foreign airlines, as the local ones would take their slots.

  • oh, please (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    We've already had this shrill, alarmist subject before.

    Dig deeper. Understand the issue. It isn't nearly as OH NOE! as the summary would lead you to think. The number of so-called empty flights (which aren't in fact empty, but carry cargo and are used to position airframes to satisfy the route planning) is under 10% of the total number of flights. The regulations requiring them have, in fact, been reduced by half. None of the airlines want to run these flights.

    So put your outrage back in your pocket.

    • Re:oh, please (Score:5, Insightful)

      by larwe ( 858929 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @09:10AM (#62242577)
      All this is truthy but not a full rebuttal. 1) positioning airframes for route planning is a thing, sure - but the point here is that the entire route system needs to be recalculated based on actual pax traffic today, not Q1 2020's pax traffic. 2) pax aircraft are not efficient carriers of cargo because something like 60% of the fuselage volume is configured for pax. yes you can put some cargo on seats, but you can't just stuff things into the pax cabin until it's full because there will be weight-shift problems affecting aircraft stability.
      • I think that the airlines in question should take a cue from the TOS Star Trek episode A Taste of Armageddon.

        To save money, fuel and the environment, the ghost flights should be operated in computer simulation. But the results of the computer simulation should have real-world consequences such as employees being required to report to job disintegration centers if the simulation results show their airline would have gone bankrupt if the flights were actually carried out.

  • a plane flight puts out more pollution than 10.4 cars? I bet they burn more fuel just taxiing down the runway than I use in a year.
  • by angel'o'sphere ( 80593 ) <angelo,schneider&oomentor,de> on Sunday February 06, 2022 @09:53AM (#62242635) Journal

    While it is preposterous, global air traffic is only 2% of global CO2 emissions.
    So they are right: it is only the tip of the iceberg.

    • by jwhyche ( 6192 )

      Wow, its only that low. I didn't believe this number till I did some research and, yeah, the total global CO2 emissions from aircraft is only 2% to 2.5%. The way foxnews keeps bleating about it you would think that aircraft are single handled destroying the planet.

      • by danskal ( 878841 )

        The thing is, we don't need to fly to survive. We need heat/cooling, we need food, and we need local transport.

        But flying... not so much.

        And we need to get rid of _all_ CO2 emissions.

        So we need to save 2% here, 3% there, 1.5% over there. We need to save every bit we can.

        • by jwhyche ( 6192 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @04:38PM (#62243751) Homepage

          And we need to get rid of _all_ CO2 emissions.

          This is actually not true. We don't need to get rid of all CO2 emissions. We need to get rid of CO2 emissions to the point where we are no longer taxing the environments ability to remove it. The environment actually needs a certain amount of CO2 to be healthy.

        • by ghoul ( 157158 )
          Just plant more trees. In case you didnt know CO2 is plant food.
          • Trees are dying because of climate change, and deforestation. Deforestation is accelerating because of climate change, because crops are failing, soil is getting degraded, deserts are expanding,

            So we need to plant more trees, we need to solve all the problems, but most of all, we need to stop burning shit.

            • by ghoul ( 157158 )
              Shit is better turned into Methane in biogas plants and then burnt. Dont just burn it directly
        • by N1AK ( 864906 )
          You don't need local transport to survive. For the vast majority of human existence the normal mode of transport was your legs. You also don't need the internet or a computer yet here your post is.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      If you slice-and-dice things enough, everything is the tip of the iceberg and nothing would change.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      2% of emissions but not 2% of the damage caused. Aircraft emit greenhouse gasses at high altitude where they do more damage than similar emissions at ground level.

      • That is true. I forgot to mention that.

        Nevertheless for reducing CO2 we need to take the "low hanging fruits first". And air travel is most likely not one of those. Does not change the fact that "keeping landing slots" with empty flying planes is super silly.

  • Profit trumps climate
    • The carbon emitted by issue in the article is utterly negligible though. The big fish are electricity & heat, industry and cars & trucks.

  • by Wizzu ( 30521 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @10:38AM (#62242697)

    Highly relevant for this, but nobody has yet mentioned - certainly none of the sources linked (although I feel they should have, for proper reporting).
    The same policy/rule was a problem already in 2020, and it was already suspended once, for 4 months. So this is not a "new issue" but a "continuing issue", i.e. "it's still a problem".

    https://www.euractiv.com/secti... [euractiv.com]

    Since the suspension has already happened once, I imagine it wouldn't be so big hurdle to have that happen again, if enough pressure and will is there.

  • Never mind, if you fly less they'll just run ghost flights anyway, fly as much as you want!
  • This story made the rounds a month ago, and what was reported as airline officials "admitting" (as the headline puts it) the practice, was actually the official warning/threatening regulators that this dumb thing would be happening if the rules were not changed.

    I was hoping this was a followup story that would be telling us how many under-full flights have ended up being flown, and how under-full they are. It is nothing of the sort. It's just a stock photo of a 100% empty plane, and rehash of the arti

  • by gurps_npc ( 621217 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @12:24PM (#62242957) Homepage

    No businessman can change this. The heads of the various FAA's of the nations can change it easily. Or the various law makers can.

    Not that hard to change it as follows:

    One could at the very least, rip out the word 'planes' and replace them with '100 paying passengers'. That would get rid of the loophole allowing empty planes to fly satisfying the law.

    One can even add "you may pay the government an ever doubling tax to keep a route that is empty". As in 10k the first month, 20k the 2nd month, 40k the third month, 80k the 4th. Put in a rule that it takes x years of monthly flights of 100 passengers to reset the tax to 10k.

    Eventually the tax will be so high they will stop paying and lose the slot.

  • You do. That's how capitalism works. If a business and all their competitors have the same seemingly unavoidable overhead in the current market strategy. Then in the end, the costs as passed onto the consumer.

    Don't think you care about the price of eggs in China? You will pay for it indirectly in the long run, this is almost guaranteed through the consumer's lack of unawareness of the seller's supply chain and market. Most people want to pay a fixed amount for a good or service of consistent quality. Too ba

    • by iamacat ( 583406 )

      That's not at all how capitalism works, it's how government-owned airports work. Any private business running an airport would gladly accept a fraction of empty flight's cost as a reservation fee to keep the spot, with both airports and airlines benefiting compared to operating an unnecessary flight.

      • it's exactly as a I said. It is a universal practice in capitalism for costs of a market common to all competitors to be passed onto the consumer. Regardless of where they constraints come from, government regulation, mother nature, cultural bias, or religious ritual.

        If you want to rail against sloppy regulation and the problems of both big government and centralized economic systems, then go ahead. It doesn't actually apply to what I was talking about but it's surely a reasonable topic for debate at anothe

    • All costs are always passed on to the consumer. Did you not know that?
  • by rworne ( 538610 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @01:05PM (#62243077) Homepage

    I can understand flying with minimal crew and no passengers, but airlines also serve as conduits for package delivery as well. Are these flights coming with with empty cargo holds? I would think that the airlines would carry airmail and express delivery cargo in the hold to offset the cost. Since COVID ran rampant, there's a lack of shipping options - and the airlines are not one to miss a profit opportunity.

  • by PJ6 ( 1151747 ) on Sunday February 06, 2022 @01:13PM (#62243107)
    Sounds like the trailer for the lamest movie ever.
  • Ghost flights are a temporary issue caused by COVID, and temporary not because the flights will stop, but rather because they will stop being empty in the future.

    On the list of things to give a shit about environmentally wise, this is a distraction from things which actually matter.

  • Not that I like the idea of emissions for no reason, however, just a like a car that sits unused, a plane will rot too. They need to be used.
  • The confusion can be cleared up simply by looking at how much fuel was put into the airplanes at the hubs.

  • What we've seen in the pictures from the boarding gates speaks for itself. Difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they consumed the airline passengers or merely enslave them.

    One thing is for certain: there's no stopping them. The planes will soon be here.

    And I for one welcome our new aluminum flying overlords.

    I'd like to remind them that as a Karma:Excellent Slashdot commentator I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil on their tarmacs...

  • We've had this topic before, several times.

    Every time, someone says that it's not so easy, there's a lot of domino stones connected to these flights, There's a reason behind those rules, etc. yada yada.

    Here's a thought: To keep the slot, the airline must operate the flight in all respects except actually flying. Pay the taxes, pay for the slot, pay the pilots for flying, don't let them or the airplane do anything else for the duration of the flight, the whole thing, except you don't actually fly.

    It's enough

  • There are two types of empty flights, gate-holders (what this article mentions) and dead-heads. The latter are taking an empty flight from one place to another where there is more customer demand.

    Gate holders are a problem in the US too. I have a friend that was regularly the only person on a specific flight.

  • Wen you consider that many of these ghost flights are the result of government-mandated shutdowns, travel restrictions, and failed pandemic policies, the real culprit is the governments. As so often is the case...

    At the least though, consider changing the rules and letting airlines *pay* to hold the gates, and it doesn't need to be equal to fuel cost, crew, or airport fees. And then you have the problem of airports maybe having to reduce employment as fewer gate staff, ramp crew, etc, are gong to be needed.

  • How exactly is the transportation sector the fastest growing source of pollution in the EU? Is there an honest way, or are they just comparing emissions to the peak of Covid when nobody was traveling, because they aren't honest?
  • Just keep voting for omnicidal politicians who are turning the Anthropocene extinction into a mass extinction.

    George Carlin said it best: "garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish ignorant leaders. [youtube.com]"
  • There are hundreds of millions of cars operated in europe. The article states that the empty planes compare to 1.4 million cars. That's less than one percent.
    Sure, it's a waste, but stopping it won't change much about the climate change problem.
    It seems like greenpeace is at it again, attacking problems that don't really matter.

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