Biden Restores California's Ability To Impose Stricter Auto Pollution Limits (cnbc.com) 252
gollum123 shares a report from CNBC: The Biden administration is restoring California's authority to set its own rules on greenhouse gas emissions from cars, pickups and SUVs, a move that rolls back a Trump-era decision and puts California at the forefront of combatting climate change in the U.S. The decision reinstates a Clean Air Act waiver that allows California to adopt stronger fuel economy standards than those of the federal government and set the precedent for the rest of the country on how to mitigate vehicle emissions. The state's past ability to control vehicle emissions led to some innovative strategies in the auto industry, such as catalytic converters, which convert toxic gases and pollutants in exhaust gas into less-toxic pollutants, as well as 'check engine' lights.
Seventeen states and the District of Columbia have adopted California's tighter standards. Under the Clean Air Act, the state has the ability to receive permission from the federal government to set its own rules on tailpipe standards that help lower emissions from gas-powered vehicles. California established the first tailpipe emissions standards in the country in 1966. The Trump administration in 2019 revoked California's authority to regulate its own air quality, arguing that it wouldn't allow "political agendas in a single state" to set national policy. That decision was part of a broader rollback of Obama-era vehicle emissions standards and climate change regulations.
Seventeen states and the District of Columbia have adopted California's tighter standards. Under the Clean Air Act, the state has the ability to receive permission from the federal government to set its own rules on tailpipe standards that help lower emissions from gas-powered vehicles. California established the first tailpipe emissions standards in the country in 1966. The Trump administration in 2019 revoked California's authority to regulate its own air quality, arguing that it wouldn't allow "political agendas in a single state" to set national policy. That decision was part of a broader rollback of Obama-era vehicle emissions standards and climate change regulations.
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Why invest in something currently favored if there's a decent chance that exact investment will be dis-favored shortly?
Well this is exactly why when they were rolled back, no one really cared except California and the whole back and forth was really just a pissing match. Everyone knew that the second a Democrat got into office that the standard would change, so everyone kept building cars to the old California standard even though there was no requirement to do so.
The car companies bitching about California's standard really hearkens back to the 2006 to 2014 CA Governor elections. You had a Republican win in 2006, and you
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Right which is why we should keep praying (and pressuring) SCOTUS to over turn Chevron. Its time to FORCE congress to do its job and be accountable!
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Prayer is like masturbation. It only feels good to the person masturbating, and does nothing for anyone else.
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In 2024, Republicans will probably change the law to remove this kind of waiver, so that senile presidents can't use "phone and pen" whims to give Kommiefornia permission to make its own rules.
Of course they won't, because Republicans enjoy having phone and pen powers when it's their turn. Just like the Democrats were all for protecting the sanctity of the filibuster, until they weren't, until they were again, until they aren't.
That's what's truly dysfunctional. Congress has knowingly and willingly ceded much of its authority to the other branches of government, and its members are totally OK with that.
The entire flip-flop nature of both parties pulling that shit when convenient, should tell the dysfunctional voters everything they need to know. Congress is a joke, because public politics is nothing but a game they play. And every politician knows it.
Doesn't matter what the citizens see on TV, or what an asshat politician is tweeting about, rambling some two-faced shit that means something today for the game, in an attempt to "go viral". The actual work goes on behind closed doors and buried in 2,700
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+1000 to this!
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Quite frankly, I wish voters wouldn't even turn out to vote anymore. Take a stand and realize the "Representative" hasn't actually given a shit about you, in a long time. For American politics, the only winning move, is not to play.
I just wish the republican voters wouldn't turn out to vote any more. For all their ills, and they are many, the democraps are the least worst party in contention. And as a third party has basically no chance, one of the two parties has to go away before we can get real progress. If one of them has to vanish, clearly it must not be the only one that occasionally does something positive for The People.
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Quite frankly, I wish voters wouldn't even turn out to vote anymore. Take a stand and realize the "Representative" hasn't actually given a shit about you, in a long time. For American politics, the only winning move, is not to play.
I just wish the republican voters wouldn't turn out to vote any more. For all their ills, and they are many, the democraps are the least worst party in contention.
Given the current "leadership", it's more than a stretch to believe you. Or defend that. And choosing to eat flavored shit instead of shit when real food is available, isn't the way you should choose your leaders. A lesser of two evils, is still voting for evil. And we have the results to prove it.
If one of them has to vanish, clearly it must not be the only one that occasionally does something positive for The People.
Perhaps a few citations from a neutral source are in order. Democrats or Republicans patting themselves on the back, doesn't really count.
And I was more suggesting for all of it to vanish, and be replaced by
Re:Congress abdicates, as usual (Score:5, Insightful)
In 2024, Republicans will probably change the law to remove this kind of waiver, so that senile presidents can't use "phone and pen" whims to give Kommiefornia permission to make its own rules.
Nope.
Trump railed about how awful it was that Obama issued so many executive orders... then once he got into office, issued 1.5 times as many as Obama did.
They're only interested in curbing executive power when they're not the ones in power. (Just like they're only interested in cutting the deficit when they're not the ones in power. Remember Vice President Cheney saying "deficits don't matter"?)
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Gas prices in the US have (adjusted for inflation) been MUCH higher in the past.
The US has always been a complete anomaly in how gas was priced, due to a combination of subsidizing and very low taxes.
Mod parent up! (Score:2)
Though I doubt the closeted trumptards are capable of learning from facts; we all know the open trumptards can't learn.
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As a dyed in the wool rightwinger, you ought to be cheering this on as an example of states rights.
Funny how the states rights crows are noisy when it comes to the rights of states to oppress women and brown people, but awfully quiet otherwise.
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"The American right despises California is because it proves that most of their beliefs and assumptions are wrong."
Huh. For instance, welcoming illegal immigration and facing rising taxes to pay for all that? Legislating over and over, so you'll get to buy mattery-powered leaf blowers, while your state legislators and governor/etc traipse off elsewhere and live the high life? Refusing to enforce the law, so when the local kids walk into your store and walk out with whatever they care to, and the police don'
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I assume you've gotten used to be told you are slow so that won't do any good.
1) Children are dirty disease spreaders. Schools are daily superspreader events.
2) Children are still being vaccinated and are the most under vaccinated group.
3) Parents are crazy; probably gradually worse since the boomers.
4) School districts have their own policies and need time to align and deal with local fallout no matter what they do. School boards shouldn't exist - it's too local, reactionary, and ignorant parents know even
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I assume you understand that an ad hominem is, and use it anyway.
I also assume you think that parents really don't have any right to teach their children what they want to, nor do they even have any right to defend their children from school systems that will teach them anything they want to. As if school board shouldn't exist, and parents shouldn't have any say in education, we won't even get into the taxation argument here okay. It's as if schools serve some other authority. Right?
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Texas's political agendas affect national policy (Score:4, Interesting)
Doesn't Texas do that with school textbooks? They dictate what must be taught to students in the state of Texas but because Texas is such a large purchaser of books that has an impact on the content of textbooks in other states as well. See https://www.nybooks.com/articl... [nybooks.com]
Seems hypocritical to be okay with political agendas in Texas shaping national policy whilst not being ok with California doing so. But then again, hypocrisy is nothing new
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But then again, hypocrisy is nothing new
Hypocrisy is fine when I do it.
Prices will go up for everyone (Score:2)
It just means that prices of a whole lot of stuff will go up for everyone. The producers of goods and services of companies based in California will raise prices to offset the BOHICA because everyone they deal with in California (employees, outside contractors, suppliers, utility providers, etc) will have to raise prices to compensate for a more expensive vehicle regardless of whether it's powered by an internal combustion engine or an electric motor. Everything that comes out of Silicon Valley will go up
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On the other side, the Conservative government of Alberta, Canada, just decided to stop collecting provincial tax on gasoline to help keep prices down at the pump. This works out to about 11 cents per litre.
Predictably, gas stations have raised their prices by 11 cents per litre.
Just one question: Did prices go down when Trump rolled back fuel efficiency standards? ROFL.
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Straight up
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Obligatory Big Bang Theory [youtube.com] clip. (What are you looking at? You've never seen a hypocrite before?)
The difference between reasonable people and politicians is that reasonable people come up with a set of principles and use them to guide their decisions, whereas politicians appear to decide what they want to do, then come up with a set of principles that let them do it. Principles never seem to be the reason for their behavior, but rather an excuse. And when an excuse doesn't fit their decision, they igno
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Politicians do their job, which involves trying to enact policy and law that they believe is supported by their constituencies (which in modern practice in the US includes PACs who contribute to campaign funds)
Of course they change their justifications if they change from state to federal. An employee is going to want one thing as an employee, to do their job, and want another thing when they move to managing the employees he used to be. That may involve being against something he was for when he was an emp
Re:They should ban gas powered cars (Score:5, Interesting)
You have to have a realistic goal. No matter what is needed, we can't reach it without increments. Battery vehicles are great - until everyone wants one and nobody has developed tech beyond lithium yet. If you can't build enough batteries, the cars won't run. But a larger electric vehicle market will drive demand for the market itself to seek solutions. It might take more time than we have, but we can't pretend it won't take time.
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Ron Desantis will overturn it in 2024.
That's assuming he can beat Donald Trump in a primary which is like suggesting Ben Shapiro can beat Vitali Klitschko in a boxing match.
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What, in between yelling at kids about their wearing facemasks and appointing frauds as top health officials?
Don't worry, he'll bend the knee to the Orange One just like the rest of the feckless obsequious GOP pols.
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And, you know what? The middle and lower classes are the ones who benefit. The rich people move away from the pollution.
...I'm also old enough to remember when Republicans were also in favor of cleaning up pollution. The Clean Air Act of 1970 was signed by Nixon.
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You don't even need to be that old. Just watch a movie that was filmed in the mid-80s that has outdoor shots of Los Angeles or New York - the fucking haze is unmistakable.
It's remarkable how much better air quality is today than it used to be.
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Yeah, and this administration is the reason why we're paying more at the gas pump today. During the Trump's administration we were energy independent, then Biden comes in and puts a number of environmental restrictions on drilling for oil in this nation putting an end to that. Don't get me started on how he shut down the Keystone XL pipeline project.
And then as us normal Americans are worried about gas prices we have that useless shit for brains Steven Colbert ranting on late night TV about how he doesn't u
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During the Trump's administration we were energy independent,
False. [factcheck.org]
then Biden comes in and puts a number of environmental restrictions on drilling for oil in this nation putting an end to that. Don't get me started on how he shut down the Keystone XL pipeline project.
Still false. [factcheck.org]
Republicans. Ridiculous liars, nonstop. Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass, trailerparky.
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Actually, a petrocunt dictator starting a war with his neighboring country is the reason our gas prices are so high today. You know, that petrocunt dictator that Trump spent 5+ years heaping praise onto, and trying to get back into the G7, while also doing his bidding to rot out NATO from the inside.
During the Trump administration, we were not, nor were we ever "energy independent." In 2020, also known as the last year of the Trump administration, also during a pandemic when vast swaths of the economy wer
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"Energy independence" is effectively a made up concept. I don't know if you know this, but the majority of oil holdings in the US are multinational corporations. They don't have to sell it in the US. Gas prices are driven by the global energy market.
During a global pandemic, which happened to be during Trump's administration, nobody in the world was buying much gas. Of course the price at the pump went down. Because of the crazy commodities futures markets, the price of oil actually went negative. You
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The baroque ICEV is in the process of going away and being replaced by dramatically simpler EVs. The complexity is going to become a non-issue and be completely overshadowed by the need for right to repair laws. Automakers have somewhat consistently made it more difficult to simply access their control modules, over the years they have added security codes and the like in the name of theft prevention (as some of these modules have immobilizer logic in them) and it has become difficult to impossible to perfo
The whole picture will be a future of shortages. (Score:2)
In 5 to 10 years the used
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While complexity will be a huge issue, I'm hopeful that new battery tech will actually give some of these EV cars new life. I'm more worried that the dash will go into failure and be irreplaceable. The glimmer of hope there is these new digital dash replacements for 'vintage' cars I've seen. Maybe retrofits of early gen EV cars will be possible, since they are simpler, and could last a million miles if repairs are practical. Oh wait...
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Projections for most EV batteries are ~300,000 miles to 80% capacity today. While some vehicles will have bad cells that need to be addressed (sadly often with a full pack replacement) prematurely, that is not the broader condition. For most cars, the battery will outlive the rest of the car.
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New complexity in cars today is for all the active safety features.
That's certainly a portion of it, but it's definitely not the whole thing. Most cars of today have a whole bunch of sensors and actuators that the cars of only twenty years ago usually didn't. Almost all engines have VVT, all engines have both cam and crank sensors, most vehicles now have multiple air flow/pressure sensors and at least two if not more coolant temp sensors, most engines have at least two knock sensors, etc. Pretty much everything is now coil-on-plug. More and more engines are turbocharged an
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So instead of 8, which have been reduced to 6, 4 or even 3 cylinders, you have thousands of electrochemical cells assembled into a traction battery pack?
To say there are no moving parts is glib because there are reversing chemical reactions (or chemical migrations -- the "intercalation" in a Lithium ion cell) taking place in each cell. And this has to hold up over hundreds if not thousands of charge-discharge cycles?
And good luck repairing or even replacing the battery back planned for the Model Y whe
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To say there are no moving parts is glib because there are reversing chemical reactions (or chemical migrations -- the "intercalation" in a Lithium ion cell) taking place in each cell. And this has to hold up over hundreds if not thousands of charge-discharge cycles?
Sure. Ok. But have you considered how much Brownian motion goes on in the gasoline in the gas tank of an ICE vehicle? Note for the sarcasm impaired, this is sarcasm.
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Just as a point of order, the Model Y structural battery pack does not structurally join the front and rear castings; it is a module that provides additional rigidity to the side frame panels which make that connection (possibly with a supplemental beam). The module is actually installed with the seats on into a semi-finished car from below.
As for replacement of the module, the labor involved should be nominal compared to the module cost itself. Not being able to troubleshoot down to a single cell is a va
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'dramatically simpler EVs'?
Yeah, even the current EVs present interesting problems, and require specialized test equipment and access to software etc to diagnose and repair.
Right-to-repair may become moot as technology surpasses even the most educated and intent individual's ability to employ these tools. Think of smartphones, and what does right-to-repair do to help you fix your Pixel 3a or Surface Pro 5? A lot of tech is damned hard to get apart, much less reassemble.
'dramatically simpler EVs'? It will be
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Guess I'm having a very hard time believing that non-issue, since the rest of your post outlines a very complex process, to do even basic maintenance and troubleshooting.
The complexity is not the problem. It's the fact that they've passworded the control modules. In general the complexity of control modules specifically makes troubleshooting easier, IF you are allowed access to the correct tools. That access needs to be mandated if we are to be able to repair our own equipment.
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Both the average age of cars on the road and the average lifespan of cars in the United States has been increasing since at least the 1970s. Cars now last longer than ever before.
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Try this: https://www.researchgate.net/f... [researchgate.net]
PROTIP: Google image search is good for finding graphs.
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There's actually a bunch of companies now doing rework of modules like that. Typically they all fail in the same way, it's the same solder joint or cold solder connection between a connector and a PCB (which has wires leading from the case-mounted connector to the board) or the same caps that fail or whatever. So it's actually become more feasible to service those vehicles. When I drive through farm country I often see BMWs and Audis parked in with the Astros and whatnot, and it's not the field workers' sup
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Again, more expensive and complex than a carburetor rebuild.
More complex? Yes. More expensive? Nope, not on average. Module rework generally costs $100-200. Shop labor rates are typically over $100/hr. The price for rebuild of a carburetor is anywhere from $100-400 depending on features and condition. You're also willfully ignoring two major facts. One, the carburetor will require more maintenance than the fuel injection system. Two, the fuel injection system offers substantially more efficiency than even the best carburetors with mixture control because of its dram
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Boomers sure love the good old days of the carburetor. Ah yes, timing lights, vacuum gauges, fouled points, bad condensors, carburetor floods, stuck floats, clogged jets, good times.
Now even your average econobox will go for 100k miles only needing oil changes.
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I own a 2022 BMW X5. After my trade I spent 40 grand on it. If a $2000 part fails after warranty I'd damn sure buy it. No way I'm throwing away that much cash value over a small cost like $2-5k. That said, I do trade my cars in at the 6-7 year mark.
I was shocked that my 2016 Audi Q5 was 4k higher in trade value than when I was thinking about trading it in 2 years ago.
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That's not really a problem. I still see plenty of beat up Hondas and Toyotas.
Yes, but that's not commonplace. The fact that they're 'beat up' points to the idea that they're too costly to repair and make look decent.
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Less pollution is great and all, but cars are so complex now that they are difficult and expensive to repair. Because of this, they are more likely to be considered "not worth repairing" and junked.
You must be a millennial, right? Too young to remember how quickly cars used to be junked back in those "good old days".
Used to be a hundred thousand miles on the odometer was something people would gawk at.
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Ask an engineer. The cars are NOT seriously made for repair. The old cars were not; that was just coincidence of being big and simple.
If there was an economic pressure for automakers then they'd be incredibly easy but until they have self-driving car services where they own their own car fleets they make...
CA isn't the world standard. You've got to evolve to meet the global demand unless you want to be a small scale player. Tesla isn't super; they simply took the 1st serious step while all the rest resiste
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History is important here; California was granted the authority because their air quality was miserable due to density of vehicles, geography, and average miles driven per capita. It specifically did not align with the rest of the country and needed more rigorous standards.
Sure, because of population these become effective nationwide standards to a degree, but no manufacturer is forced to sell there.
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I swear... if conservative talk show personalities (because they're putting on a performance) spent even half as much time trying to focus their audiences on sensible solutions to actual problems as they do making boogeymen out of successful liberal states like California, the United States would be a much better place. However, fear and anger keeps people listening which means more advertising revenue, so it'll never happen, so they'll keep moving to be Nazi fuckboys like Tucker Carlson.
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But Cali's population is still #1. People WANT to move there. They been the largest, most successful state in the US for DECADES. And every year people keep bringing up how companies and people are leaving the most populated state. At the rate, its going to take another couple _decades_ before it becomes #2.
YES, Cali has problems... but people, overall, prefer it over all the other states in the US. So if Cali is a failure, what does it say about the others? The question is how are the other states so
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That's capitalism. Demand drives prices. It sounds like you want social spending to create affordable housing projects, maybe even taking away land by eminent domain to improve the number of people that can be housed per square mile. Property developers are ruthless and stupid. They don't care if the Chipotle down the road can't hire any workers because it's a 60-mile commute from affordable housing. They'll make more out of a McMansion so that's what they'll build. Put the property taxes to good use
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Thank you for that excellent demonstration of my point.
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Life yes, but not as we know it (Score:2, Interesting)
People keep saying "CO2 pollution" but it is not pollution as we know it.
The pollution on which CA has always had stricter regs is stuff that concentrates locally and gives everyone in LA a chronic sinus condition and some people life-threatening lung problems. This pollution is mainly "NOX" along with tailpipe hydrocarbons, which react with sunlight to produce low-level ozone concentrations doing all the upper respiratory irritation and lung damage. CO2 is a colorless, odorless non-reactive-in-sunligh
Re:Life yes, but not as we know it (Score:4, Interesting)
But Republican are in favor of states' rights, right? So they should be happy. This is an example of the federal government giving control back to the states. So Republicans should be happy here.
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As someone who believes in state's rights. I am happy. The federal government should give the states as much runway as possible to legislate themselves. Bring power closer to people's lives.
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As a Teddy Roosevelt type of Republican (meaning I vote Ind or Dem due to lack of finding a proper representative), I too am happy with this local empowerment.
When it comes to breaking the state rights, Dems usually have a problem along the lines of interstate commerce, but DMV is a state level topic anyway. Reps have a problem along common defense of the nation, but that doesn't apply here either. It was a shame that a Republican administration took this state right away under the lie that Cali was regul
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People keep saying "CO2 pollution" but it is not pollution as we know it.
That, sir, is completely, totally, wholly, functionally, practically, and in all other ways incorrect. Pollution as we know it is defined as an overabundance of any substance which causes negative effects. (e.g. the definition that pops up when you ask google to define pollution is "the presence in or introduction into the environment of a substance or thing that has harmful or poisonous effects.")
CO2 has harmful effects on our environment when levels are too high OR too low, one for reasons which are obvio
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Weird as fuck how Republicans like "states' rights" only when it's a state they disagree with.
Almost as if "States' Rights" was just a codeword for those KKK-affiliated trash. [thenation.com]
"You start out in 1954 by saying, “N--ger, n--ger, n--ger.” By 1968 you can’t say “n--ger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites." - Lee Atwater, explaining how republicans from Nixon onwards court the white-supremacist vote with the Southern Strategy.
Human right to a safe neighborhood (Score:2)
And Secretary of State Antony Blinken talks about a "human right to a safe neighborhood for your children" in the context of conflicts oversees. Some of the smartest, most morally just, right-thinking white people in the US talk that way without reflecting on what they mean by it.
Explain to me how that remark is not a "dog whistle" regarding US race relations and is stupidly out of context to apply in a general sense outside our borders?
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Let's check Blinken's actual comment.
"So my message to the people of Russia – if they’re even able to hear it, as the Kremlin cracks down even harder on media outlets reporting the truth – my message is that we know many of you want no part of this war. You, like Ukrainians, like Americans, like people everywhere, want the same basic things – good jobs, clean air and water, the chance to raise your kids in safe neighborhoods, to send them to good schools, to give them better lives [state.gov]
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Republicans only support states' rights when they want to abuse people. The original "states' rights" issues were immigration and slavery [encyclopediavirginia.org].
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Gee. Courting a "white vote" with klan talking points is still courting a "white vote" with klan talking points.
Also, the overrepresentation of black men in the prison system is part of a longstanding project by conservatives to disenfranchise black voters [themarshallproject.org].
In 1901, delegates drafting a new constitution for Alabama knew their mission. “Within the limits imposed by the Federal Constitution,” convention president John B. Knox explained, the delegates aimed “to establish white supremacy i
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Multiple republican (repugnant klan really) party members attended a Klan rally recently headlined by white supremacist Nick Fuentes. And the repugnantklan party's leadership won't do anything about them.
So, there's that. In case anyone was wondering how well the "Southern Strategy" makeover worked when the GOP decided to turn themselves into the RepugnantKlan Cross Burners Party.
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If Biden wants better clean air standards for everyone he should legislate for it at the federal level
Oh my sweet, summer child. This is actually beneficial to the entire nation. California, the state with the most at stake because it has the most vehicle-miles traveled, the most population, and the largest region (by population) in the country tries out new emissions regulations before the rest of the country and is able to measure their impact before they are more widely adopted.
not allow a single state to dictate to all the others.
Oh, you fucking ignorant noob. No other states have to take on California's emissions standards. Several have chosen to do so, because the federal standards are inadequate on multiple levels, but none of them were forced to do so. In fact, if we want to have a future we should all be adopting standards more restrictive than California's, so what you're actually asking for (though you have no idea what that is, since you have no idea what you're talking about in general) is for ALL states to be forced to conform to an even more rigid set of requirements.
Letting California and any other states whose residents give one fuck about the ecosystem we all depend upon for survival set more stringent standards than required by the federal government isn't just positive, it's necessary — because there are so many corporate whores in the federal government who will block any necessary improvements. And these improvements are indeed necessary.
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Oh shut the fuck up. Here is the reality. Vehicle emissions are a problem in CA because there are to damn many vehicles. There are to many vehicles because there are to many people. There are to many people because CA politics broadly support open boarders and unsustainable population growth by importing people.
People who vote for democratic party leadership based on supporting a 'green agenda' are duped rubes. If they actually gave a fuck about the environment they'd oppose the one common factor in ha
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Oh shut the fuck up.
Eat two Klingon dicks.
Here is the reality.
Well, this ought to be good for a laugh. I'm not sure I want insight into what you consider to be reality.
Vehicle emissions are a problem in CA because there are to damn many vehicles.
That's almost what I said, clown. Only that's frankly wrong. There are too many ICEVs.
There are to many vehicles because there are to many people.
To[o] many people for what?
There are to many people because CA politics broadly support open boarders and unsustainable population growth by importing people.
There are more people in California than any other state because more people want to live in California than any other state. The reasons for this are many and various and do not bear enumerating here, but they notably include less cuckservative anti-woman, anti-brown, a
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California doesn't have more vehicles than a lot of other places.
Vehicle emissions are a problem everywhere, but in places like Los Angeles, geography and weather tends to trap the pollution in the city, making it worse for their citizens.
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California doesn't have more vehicles than a lot of other places.
If those other places you're talking about are US states, then we have more vehicles than literally any of them. We also have the second-most miles of road in the state, and the most vehicle-miles traveled. It's a big state with the biggest population, including the single most populous region in the country and one of the more populous regions in the world — there are approximately 18 million people in and around Los Angeles.
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Cool, so your solution is to dictate to people where they can live, what they're allowed to buy, and how they are allowed to move about?
Sounds like centrally-planned communism to me. Myself, I'm more in favor of the 10th Amendment that enables the states to pass their own laws and regulations as long as they are still compliant with the federal regs duly passed under authority granted to the Congress by the Constitution. If California wants cleaner air, they are allowed to exceed the federal regulations f
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Either solve for the Disease of Greed, or understand we will likely extinct ourselves right here on this dying rock, forever addicted to it.
If you bothered to ask what I thought was going to happen, then you'd know that this is it. We need to embrace collectivism and helping one another survive what's coming, and most people are embracing selfishness and greed and fuck you as long as I've got what I need, and fuck you some more if you have what I need because here I come to take it.
The fact that we are even still arguing about whether California should be able to set stricter emissions standards seems to be ample evidence that we are not going
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Here's another "unpopular opinion" of roughly the same validity:
2+2=5
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California has A LOT of people, it's a great "testing ground" for responses to population density. Pollution is a great example of where we need someone trying new things. It's a lot cheaper in the long run to let a few states "do their thing", spend on the R&D and find what works, AND THEN go ahead and pass some legislation on the federal level. This has the effect of giving the states a few "proven ideas" to choose from to respond to the legislation, rather than dozens of states wasting time and mo
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The Trump administration in 2019 revoked California's authority to regulate its own air quality, arguing that it wouldn't allow "political agendas in a single state" to set national policy. That decision was part of a broader rollback of Obama-era vehicle emissions standards and climate change regulations. Trump was right. This is the tail wagging the dog. If Biden wants better clean air standards for everyone he should legislate for it at the federal level, not allow a single state to dictate to all the others.
What happened to States' Rights!!! and why does that only ever apply when red states want to dictate legislation and what rights the peasantry should have (such as no access to birth control in any form) to all the other states? If California doesn't want primitive and polluting fossil fuel powered cars from other states stinking up and polluting their environment then surely that's California's right ... States' Rights!!!. Nobody forces you to export primitive and polluting fossil fuel powered motor vehicl
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"...when red states want to dictate legislation and what rights the peasantry should have (such as no access to birth control in any form..."
I've missed this initiative, care to offer me an example?
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I support states rights. All states should have the right to put in place more stringent requirements than federal law as long as they remain in side the constitution. No one forces companies to do business there and no one forces people to live in the state.
If the requirements hurt the state, that's what elections are for. In fact, I even support a state vetoing federal law (that is outside of the constitution) when it suits them. See legalization of cannabis.
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Unfortunately true. I really don't like the platinum that catalytic converters require. It's one reason I really prefer the idea of electric cars. Now if there were just some decent way to charge them for people who don't have their own garage.
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Well, CA might lead the nation in catalytic converter theft. Gen 2 Prius owners are getting hit with this, their cats sell used for well over $1000, and cost >$3500 to replace, so they can offer the thieves a fresh one to take. And the shields/anti-theft plates are marginally effective.
That's both economics and human nature, and only a multi-state initiative to complicate used cat sales/salvage might reduce it. But cat theft is a nationwide problem, just pronounced in CA for a variety of reasons, and eff
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Oh, an aside, a Gen 2 Prius that needs a new cat, in CA, must have an OEM unit by law. If you can't find a used one, you're faced with a part that costs more than the car is worth, often. Better off to sell it out of state where they can use aftermarket cats, and then you have to replace it at double the cost anyways.. They catch these thieves occasionally, but punishment as a deterrence isn't employed much in CA unless you've offended their delicate sensibilities, and cat theft isn't such an offense.
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Oh, an aside, a Gen 2 Prius that needs a new cat, in CA, must have an OEM unit by law. If you can't find a used one,
...and install it yourself, because it's illegal for a yard to sell you a used cat, and it's illegal for a muffler shop to install it. I think it's still legal for you to install it yourself, but I could be wrong about that. [ca.gov]
They catch these thieves occasionally, but punishment as a deterrence isn't employed much in CA unless you've offended their delicate sensibilities, and cat theft isn't such an offense.
We can't afford to incarcerate everyone who does it, and EVs don't have cats, so the cat theft will stop once we move to EVs.