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Documentary Explores How Big Oil Stalled Climate Action for Decades (theguardian.com) 174

Slashdot reader XXongo brings word of a new three-part documentary — streaming free now — that tries to understand America's early inaction on climate change. Looking back over the last few decades, The Power of Big Oil explores how the fuel industry "successfully set up a campaign to discredit climate science and targetting individual politicians to vote against measures to curb climate change."

The Guardian notes that the series includes an interview with a U.S. senator who they say "blames the oil industry for malignly claiming the science of climate change was not proved when companies such as Exxon and Shell already knew otherwise from their own research."

As far back as 25 years ago, the senator says, "they had evidence in their own institutions that countered what they were saying publicly. I mean — they lied." The documentary's makers have dug out a parade of former oil company scientists, lobbyists and public relations strategists who lay bare how the US's biggest petroleum firm, Exxon, and then the broader petroleum industry, moved from attempting to understand the causes of a global heating to a concerted campaign to hide the making of an environmental catastrophe. Over three episodes — called Denial, Doubt, Delay — the series charts corporate manipulation of science, public opinion and politicians that mirrors conduct by other industries, from big tobacco to the pharmaceutical companies responsible for America's opioid epidemic.

Some of those interviewed shamefacedly admit their part in the decades-long campaign to hide the evidence of climate change, discredit scientists and delay action that threatened big oil's profits.

Others almost boast about how easy it was to dupe the American public and politicians, with consequences not just for the US but every country on the planet.

In one video clip an aide to a climate-conscious senator remembers that "You had reams of material coming out of the government. They were at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, at NASA — this expanding network of people, working on this day in and day out, saying that this was a legitimate issue, and that we needed to do something about it. And on the other hand, you had two or three guys who went around to conferences and said, 'Oh, I'm not sure. Oh, maybe there's clouds....' It quickly became apparent that these were private interests who had a stake in the status quo." He refers to it as "emerging industry of nay-sayers."

There's also a discouraged assessment from climate activist looking back over a lack of progress in the early decades. "You want to make an assumption that it's a meritocracy — a good argument will prevail, and it will displace a bad argument. But, what the geniuses at the PR firms who work for these big fossil-fuel companies know is that truth has nothing to do with who wins the argument. If you say something enough times, people will begin to believe it."
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Documentary Explores How Big Oil Stalled Climate Action for Decades

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  • Reasons (Score:5, Insightful)

    by NotEmmanuelGoldstein ( 6423622 ) on Sunday May 01, 2022 @06:48AM (#62493590)

    ... Denial, Doubt, Delay ...

    Corporations can claim the cost of manipulation and dishonesty as a cost of doing business: They, indirectly, are charging the government for the cost of lying to the government.

    ... boast about how easy it was ...

    There's profit in manipulation and dishonesty, there isn't in telling the truth. Worse, idiots choose the manipulation and dishonesty over the truth.

    Let's not forget Bush jr with his 'balanced reporting' propaganda: Demanding honest people spread the dishonesty themselves.

    • Re:Reasons (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Ostracus ( 1354233 ) on Sunday May 01, 2022 @07:15AM (#62493634) Journal

      People should have learned the lesson when we all were discussing the tobacco industry.

      • People should have learned the lesson when we all were discussing the tobacco industry.

        I think it was even the same people behind them both.

        • Re:Reasons (Score:4, Insightful)

          by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Sunday May 01, 2022 @08:25AM (#62493742)

          I think it was even the same people behind them both.

          Yes, the oil and tobacco industries used many of the same lobbyists, and the strategy was the same. They knew they couldn't win a scientific debate, so instead, they attacked the credibility and objectivity of science itself.

          If your goal is inaction, you don't need to convince the public. You just need to sow doubt. Stalemate is victory.

          • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

            by MacMann ( 7518492 )

            The anti-nuclear crowd is using the same anti-science FUD to keep people from using nuclear power.

            I get the same bullshit from the anti-nuclear morons.

            What about Chernobyl? Yes, what about it? That was a dual-use (capable of being used to produce weapon grade material) reactor built by half drunk Soviet politicians then handed over to half drunk operators that were hired more for their loyalty to the Party than for their technical skill. The reactor was built with a known flaw of a "positive void coeffic

            • The anti-nuclear crowd is using the same anti-science FUD to keep people from using nuclear power.

              I get the same bullshit from the anti-nuclear morons.

              That's because the anti-nuclear morons are often the exact same groups that are pro-fossil fuel (aka pro-global warming).

      • by Pollux ( 102520 ) <speter@@@tedata...net...eg> on Sunday May 01, 2022 @08:26AM (#62493750) Journal

        People should have learned the lesson when we all were discussing the tobacco industry.

        No, they didn't. Whether we're talking about tobacco, or oil, or sugar [youtube.com], or PFAS [youtube.com], or tetraethyl-lead [youtube.com], or war [youtube.com], or pick any other poison at your leisure, big industry wants money, no matter the expense, not even human lives, and the sheeple have not stopped them.

      • Re:Reasons (Score:5, Informative)

        by GameboyRMH ( 1153867 ) <gameboyrmh.gmail@com> on Sunday May 01, 2022 @09:08AM (#62493842) Journal

        Before oil and tobacco and opioids, the leaded gas industry used the same playbook:

        https://www.mentalfloss.com/ar... [mentalfloss.com]

      • Or the lead industry.

      • Oil, Tobacco, Lead, Guns, Alcohol... Vs. CFC.
        They had learned their lessons. However it was was the wrong lesson.
        CFC back in the 1980's causing a hole on the Ozone layer, in general created a rather quick ban and a heave restriction on the use of CFC. Because they didn't bother with a counter information campaign. So the Left and the Right had no issues banning it.

        Sure lying and being deceitful will have a big issue in the future, however in the mean time they can profit like crazy off it, vs like CFC ge

    • Unless you wake up in a cave and walk around naked scrounging for food in the woods you are supporting corporations. I bet you own at least one Apple product, big Computer. You use electricity, big Utility. Buy your food at a grocery store, big Food and big Ag.

      Unless you form a Big Government and use Big Police to force people to not use these things life as we now live it will continue.

  • by The Real Dr John ( 716876 ) on Sunday May 01, 2022 @06:48AM (#62493594) Homepage

    It's just another part of marketing, and keeping the public onboard with harmful and destructive practices. Sow doubt in the public's mind and then you can keep on making money without interference from the masses.

  • So, they committed fraud and deliberately damaged other people's interests for their own profit. It's not enough that the companies pay up but their investors too. How much? Where from? How to find these people?

    • It's not hard to picture a dystopian future where these people and their offspring are doxxed and hunted down for sport.

      • by gtall ( 79522 )

        Yeah right. Your comment reminds me of a cartoon during the time Reagan was elected and the time he took office. He's riding a horse in a corral filled with cattle, Jimmy Carter is on another horse. Reagan asks Carter, "how can you tell which ones are sacred cows?". Carter answers, "Well Ron, you just have to ask them."

        It also reminds me of that yokel in a West Coast rally for the Big Lie, "when do we get to use the guns?".

        Gunning down people for sport, eh? Now we know what kind of people a decent America i

        • Gunning down people for sport, eh? Now we know what kind of people a decent America is up against.

          GP said "It's not hard to picture a dystopian future" (emphasis mine).

          There have been lots of fictional depictions of such dystopias; so pray tell, what part of that sentence suggested to you that GP is in favour of hunting people for sport?

        • I'm guessing you didn't score very well on reading comprehension tests, did you.

      • by Misagon ( 1135 )

        Now you're being silly.

        The perpetrators should be identified, trialled in a legal and just manner, and given punishments relative to the crimes committed.
        Doxing and hunting them for sport would be letting them off too easy.

    • Shareholders are shielded from claims in most countries. And rightly so: individual shareholders have very limited influence on company policy or who sits on the board. In some places, a major shareholder with a significant influence on the company beyond simply voting at the shareholders' meetings may be deemed a "director" and be held liable.

      Also consider: these investors might have been duped by the same misinformation. How can you morally hold them responsible? The real question is: were these co
      • Shareholders are shielded from claims in most countries.

        That's true. The point of corporatism is to separate the people making the profit from their responsibility for the harm done in the process. That's why they should not exist.

        [...]investors might have been duped by [...] misinformation. How can you morally hold them responsible?

        Easily. Very, very easily. If you don't know enough about a corporation to know if it's doing evil, you cannot morally invest in it. Failing to find out is being willing to aid evil so long as you don't know it's occurring.

        • ... If you don't know enough about a corporation to know if it's doing evil, you cannot morally invest in it. Failing to find out is being willing to aid evil so long as you don't know it's occurring.

          I agree with everything you said before this - especially that corporations as they are currently configured and held non-accountable need to be dismantled and outlawed. But given all the pension fund investments and other third- and fourth-party investments there are, it's unreasonable to expect all of the smaller investors to know what's going on with corporations. And they shouldn't have to - that's why we have governments. They are the ones failing - mostly because government "by the people" has devolve

          • If there were consequences for shareholders, such as fines or penalties, then corporations deemed to be risky because of their fraudulent actions would have an exodus of investors. Pensions and mutual funds would be incentivized to conduct due diligence on business practices. In an ideal world my 401k money wouldn’t be going to prop up an industry that’s pushing opiates or burning the planet to the ground.
            • Consequences for shareholders is easy-ish. If the corporation is held accountable in a real way... via fines that are more than what can be dismissed as the cost of doing business, for example, then the shareholders will feel it. I mean at this point, just stopping the insanity of any taxpayer subsidy for the petroleum industry would be a major step forward. These guys get hauled in front of congress just about every year to justify getting gov't funding while posting (yet again) record profits.
        • If you don't know enough about a corporation to know if it's doing evil, you cannot morally invest in it. Failing to find out is being willing to aid evil so long as you don't know it's occurring.

          Even if the world were to stop burning fossils fuels (which is unlikely anytime soon because they are still quite necessary), they will still be needed to make plastics, fertilizers, lubricants, chemical feedstocks, and many other things that it is in no way immoral to invest in.

          If you personally don't like the business, by all means don't invest in it. But don't pretend to be some arbiter of morality based on your own personal fears. It is not at all immoral for people to not share those.

  • From the Guardian:
    "...In 1997, Hagel joined with the Democratic senator Robert Byrd to promote a resolution opposing the international agreement to limit greenhouse gases, on the grounds that it was unfair to Americans. The measure passed the US Senate without a single dissenting vote, after a vigorous campaign by big oil to mischaracterise the Kyoto protocol as a threat to jobs and the economy while falsely claiming that China and India could go on polluting to their heartâ(TM)s content...."

    Mischaract

    • I kind of want to watch the movie, but I'm afraid it will be filled with that kind of nonsense. And it's three hours long and doesn't have a transcript.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Sunday May 01, 2022 @09:26AM (#62493900) Homepage Journal

      You don't seem to have parsed the sentence correctly.

      Part 1: "mischaracterise the Kyoto protocol as a threat to jobs and the economy"

      Part 2: "falsely claiming that China and India could go on polluting to their heartÃ(TM)s content...."

      Both of those are true.

      The oil companies were portraying any action to reduce emissions as bad for the US, and as a scheme by other countries to weaken the US while they used emissions to get ahead. That was nonsense.

      • The oil companies were portraying any action to reduce emissions as bad for the US, and as a scheme by other countries to weaken the US while they used emissions to get ahead. That was nonsense.

        Lots of impoverished countries still wanting and trying to use emissions to get ahead, and many are trying to crush those aspirations. Nothing at all moral about that.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          I suppose you think it has nothing to do with those same countries

          A) being likely to be worst hit my climate change, and least able to deal with it

          and

          B) realizing that if they proceed on the same basis that developed nations did, emitting vast amounts of CO2 as they industrialize, the whole world is screwed.

          • being likely to be worst hit my climate change, and least able to deal with it

            Because they don't have the modern amenities needed to adapt, like a reliable electrical grid.

            realizing that if they proceed on the same basis that developed nations did, emitting vast amounts of CO2 as they industrialize, the whole world is screwed.

            History is littered with predictions of the end of the world. It is traditionally used to justify some mighty immoral things.

            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              Interesting that you have not tried to defend your position that it's an attack on developed nations, trying to induce them to stifle themselves.

              Never play defence, right?

              • People in developed nations are not going to give up their standard of living easily, regardless of if the attack is from without or within.

                I'd prefer to work to bring others up to our standards than to drag us down to theirs. This goes for pretty much any subject actually.
                • Most of the country has already given up its standard of living. They seem pretty excited about it, they have rallies and stuff.

                • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                  That's just more misinformation. We can have a better standard of living.

                  • We can have a better standard of living.

                    Of course our kids will have a better standard of living than us, and their kids even more so. Even the ones inculcated with fear. That goes without saying. Can't be stopped even if you want to.

                    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                      Young people today have a lower standard of living than their parents in some countries, like the UK.

                    • Really? It pretty much depends on your yardstick, mate.

                      Last time I checked, even in the UK
                      - high quality smartphone are ubiquitous. Not so in their previous generation.
                      - computers, gaming systems, giant flatscreens - all ubiquitous, not so the previous generation.
                      - in 2018-19, only 12% of non pensioners lived in a completely unemployed home, down from 18% in the mid 1990s.

                      From: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplep... [ons.gov.uk]
                      - Overall, personal well-being levels have improved in the UK, as have mental well-being

    • The Kyoto protocol was first started in 2005 from an extension of a proposal in 1992.

      In those past 17 or so years has a shift to renewable energy hurt the US economy? The sector for the US is up to over $600 billion last year, is one of the largest job growth sectors and that is without any major climate legislation in the US for probably decades. Imagine if we had actually made a real effort.

      People are quick to say climate denial and misinformation is oil company propaganda because otherwise it makes a me

    • Firstly, per capita the biggest polluter is still the US - last I checked. Using anything other than per capita is intentionally misleading : and this has been used over and over by climate change opponent as an argument to refuse to do action. Imagine there are 2 countries : one (A) with 10 people and one with 100 (B), both producing pollution but (A) produce 1000 unit of pollution and (B) produce 1200. Which one should do the most effort ? If you answer B you are an imbecile or a useful idiot for Exxon. A
  • Even if the news was published fully, do you think people would have reacted?

    How many people who read this have actually taken any steps to reduce their footprint? Have you bought a smaller more efficient car? Increased the temp in your home in the summer and cooler in the winter?

    It's out there now. Have you changed?
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Joce640k ( 829181 )

      Even if the news was published fully, do you think people would have reacted?

      Trump gave them a name for their dissonance: "Fake news"

    • by Smidge204 ( 605297 ) on Sunday May 01, 2022 @09:18AM (#62493872) Journal

      > Even if the news was published fully, do you think people would have reacted?

      Yes. Specifically, the politicians who opposed meaningful changes because special interest groups had their ears (and their purses) would likely not have been as easily swayed... or at least have had a constituency that was genuinely motivated to pressure them into doing the right thing.

      Don't try to push responsibility of all this onto the public individuals - put it on the shoulders of the corporations who fought so hard to resist change, where it belongs.
      =Smidge=

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      Have you bought a smaller more efficient car?

      Have you? If most people believe in AGW and buy a smaller, more efficient car, then the few of us who don't and continue to drive old inefficient shit-boxes will have a smaller impact on the climate. You don't have to wait for me to trade in my bro-truck. You can squeeze into that Prius today.

    • Increased the temp in your home in the summer and cooler in the winter?

      WTF would I do that? Being comfortable all the time is a wonderful perk of living in the first world. I'll not be giving that up thanks. If you plan to solve climate change by dragging down people's standards of living, you are doomed to fail.

      • by btroy ( 4122663 )
        That is my point. Even if the news was published you wouldn't have adapted.
        • That is my point. Even if the news was published you wouldn't have adapted.

          I am constantly adapting. That is what HVAC is for.

  • by laughingskeptic ( 1004414 ) on Sunday May 01, 2022 @10:31AM (#62494112)
    Congressmen are allowed to take money and outright lie during "debate" on any bill. The solution is simple, make the oath of office also an oath to tell the truth for the duration of their service under penalty of perjury, immediate loss of office and cancellation of all votes between the time of a proven falsehood and loss of office. Any constituent should be allowed to file in any local court that intersects the district for the determination of falsehood. This will also effectively give us term limits since telling the truth in the US is effectively career ending at this dysfunctional point we have reached.
    • The only people who can change it are the ones who would be negatively affected by it. So yeah, not going to happen.

    • Congresscritters are already held to the requirement to be honest by the voters and other Congresscritters. Anyone that gets too far out of line can be removed from office by an election or a vote of no confidence by other Congresscritters. Since it is quite a process to remove someone from Congress, and it should be a process that is taken with care, this rarely happens.

      I believe we need term limits as people that serve in Congress for life get so far removed from reality that they are no longer represen

      • I believe we need term limits as people that serve in Congress for life get so far removed from reality that they are no longer representatives of the people.

        If they're no longer representative, ideally the people should vote them out as you say. The problem with term limits is that you encourage a revolving door since everyone in congress needs to immediately start preparing for their career after congress.

    • Come on man like they won’t even enjoy their jobs after that!

  • Virtually all industries oppose costly laws and regulations. There is absolutely nothing unique about Big Oil in this regard. It's the responsibility of the legislative bodies to do the right thing and it's the responsibility of the voters to replace them if they don't.

  • They used the same tactics with lead in gasoline, and if they hadn't been forced, we'd still have lead in gasoline and we'd be even more fucked right now than we already are.
  • Action (Score:2, Insightful)

    by zkiwi34 ( 974563 )
    Meaning ignoring Africa, India, Asia and taxing the rest? Or does that mean strip mining the earth for lithium and rare earth metals? Or does that mean the stopping of expanding electricity generation? Because those actions seem to be about it. Well, other than the folk who want to exterminate maybe a third of the human population.
  • This is being driven by lawyers who want to sue for 30% of a trillion dollars. They need lots of "common knowledge" out there to get a critical mass going.

    I'm ready for my downmod, Mr. DeMille.

  • "You want to make an assumption that it's a meritocracy". Very Naive. I have in my half a century life never seen any evidence that as a whole, our countries , the western world of which the US belong, ever were meritocracy. Just looking at the top of society, politician, CEO (C*O) , and similar, it is quite clear there is no meritocracy whatsoever, just an aristo-plutocracy.

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