'The Orville: New Horizons' Premieres on Hulu 97
This week saw the premiere of The Orville: New Horizons on Hulu — a third season, now streaming after two seasons on broadcast TV from 2017 to 2019. Seth MacFarlane (the show's creator/star) tells the Hollywood Reporter how that will change the Orville:
"The biggest difference for me being on Hulu is that I don't have to tell a story that's exactly 43 minutes long every week because I have to make room for a certain number of commercials.
"That's not how storytelling works — different stories are different lengths, and you start to fall into this cadence where you're shaving scenes down, you're cutting things that don't need to be cut. The best part about being on Hulu is that those moments where you want to linger on an actor's face because it's meaningful and it helps to tell the story? You can do that. You have the time; you can be indulgent in that way."
MacFarlane tells TV Guide the series is now "a dramatic sci-fi show with comedic elements that come about from the character's personalities." And MacFarlane tells ABC News, "I think people can expect a lot more than they think they can." It's not just Covid that's the reason that it's taken so long. It's a pretty massive uptick in scope. We're only doing 10 episodes, as opposed to 12, they're longer episodes. The scope of these episodes is much more film-like. I think people are a little unprepared for what's to come. Disney and Hulu really gave us the resources to do this right, and we've put it all on the screen.
Long-time Slashdot reader Marxist Hacker 42 wrote a journal entry (with some spoilers) about the new season's premiere episode, noting "a very powerful morality tale" that led to a fifth act with "some prime technobabble worthy of the show's Star Trek heritage." (While long-time Slashdot reader antdude calls it "better than the newer Star Trek like Picard," long-time Slashdot reader AmiMoJo calls it "an enjoyable watch, and would have been the highlight of the week if it wasn't for Star Trek: Strange New Worlds overshadowing it."
GameRant argues that The Orville in general "is actually truer to the Star Trek spirit than any of the franchise's contemporary entries."
And the series will also stay true to its Yaphit, reports Yahoo Entertainment: Behind the scenes, The Orville team bid farewell to one longtime crew member during the production of Season 3. Comedian Norm Macdonald has voiced fan favorite character, Lt. Yaphit, since the show's freshman year and completed recording his dialogue prior to his death from leukemia last September.
MacFarlane says that he wasn't aware of Macdonald's illness during their three-season collaboration. "As I finish the episodes, the emotion that I feel more than anything is gratitude that he left us with all this great stuff," he remarks. "I was very moved by the fact that he had continued to record for us and continued to play this part. As sad as it is, I'm happy there's more Norm yet to come through The Orville."
Asked whether Macdonald's passing means that Yaphit's tenure aboard The Orville will also conclude at the end of Season 3, MacFarlane suggests that fans may not have seen the last of the gelatinous lieutenant. "We do have a plan," he teases. "We would not do Yaphit without Norm, but there is a plan for how we are going to handle it if we are lucky enough to do Season 4." (As of now, a fourth season is up in the air as the cast's contracts have expired.)
"That's not how storytelling works — different stories are different lengths, and you start to fall into this cadence where you're shaving scenes down, you're cutting things that don't need to be cut. The best part about being on Hulu is that those moments where you want to linger on an actor's face because it's meaningful and it helps to tell the story? You can do that. You have the time; you can be indulgent in that way."
MacFarlane tells TV Guide the series is now "a dramatic sci-fi show with comedic elements that come about from the character's personalities." And MacFarlane tells ABC News, "I think people can expect a lot more than they think they can." It's not just Covid that's the reason that it's taken so long. It's a pretty massive uptick in scope. We're only doing 10 episodes, as opposed to 12, they're longer episodes. The scope of these episodes is much more film-like. I think people are a little unprepared for what's to come. Disney and Hulu really gave us the resources to do this right, and we've put it all on the screen.
Long-time Slashdot reader Marxist Hacker 42 wrote a journal entry (with some spoilers) about the new season's premiere episode, noting "a very powerful morality tale" that led to a fifth act with "some prime technobabble worthy of the show's Star Trek heritage." (While long-time Slashdot reader antdude calls it "better than the newer Star Trek like Picard," long-time Slashdot reader AmiMoJo calls it "an enjoyable watch, and would have been the highlight of the week if it wasn't for Star Trek: Strange New Worlds overshadowing it."
GameRant argues that The Orville in general "is actually truer to the Star Trek spirit than any of the franchise's contemporary entries."
And the series will also stay true to its Yaphit, reports Yahoo Entertainment: Behind the scenes, The Orville team bid farewell to one longtime crew member during the production of Season 3. Comedian Norm Macdonald has voiced fan favorite character, Lt. Yaphit, since the show's freshman year and completed recording his dialogue prior to his death from leukemia last September.
MacFarlane says that he wasn't aware of Macdonald's illness during their three-season collaboration. "As I finish the episodes, the emotion that I feel more than anything is gratitude that he left us with all this great stuff," he remarks. "I was very moved by the fact that he had continued to record for us and continued to play this part. As sad as it is, I'm happy there's more Norm yet to come through The Orville."
Asked whether Macdonald's passing means that Yaphit's tenure aboard The Orville will also conclude at the end of Season 3, MacFarlane suggests that fans may not have seen the last of the gelatinous lieutenant. "We do have a plan," he teases. "We would not do Yaphit without Norm, but there is a plan for how we are going to handle it if we are lucky enough to do Season 4." (As of now, a fourth season is up in the air as the cast's contracts have expired.)
Amazing, intelligent, beautiful, funny show (Score:3)
If you haven't yet seen it, you owe it yourself to check it out.
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It's good no doubt, and I hope the rest of the season lives up to the standard set by the first episode.
It reminds me a lot of TNG. Far from perfect, but with occasional moments of brilliance and overall very enjoyable.
Better than Strange New Worlds though? No, it wasn't that good. Strange New Worlds is five episodes into its first season and every one is an instant classic. It's that good.
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" and every one is an instant classic."
Body swap episode, too?
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Yes. A nice light hearted episode that didn’t take itself too seriously.
Re:Amazing, intelligent, beautiful, funny show (Score:5, Interesting)
"Seth" Trek (The Orville) is the spiritual successor to ST:TNG due to a few reasons:
1. Seth is a HUGE Star Trek fan. He was even in a guest in two episode of Enterprise as Ensign Rivers in S3E20 The Forgotten [fandom.com] and S4E15 Affliction [fandom.com].
2. Brannon Braga [fandom.com] who worked on ST:TNG (writer), Voyager (producer), and Enterprise (co-creator) is a executive producer on The Orville.
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I'm glad the The Orville is doing well. For people who just want more TNG, they can stop moaning about Discovery, and for the rest of us it's a sci fi golden age.
If they announced another season of The Expense it would be perfect.
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The Expanse is done. We aren't getting any more seasons unless someone outside Amazon picks it up which is doubtful.
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They had a tiny bit of setup that (according to the internets) referenced some of the other novels in the series that take place on a colony world a few decades later.
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The books continue, although there is a significant time jump. There has been some discussion of continuing it on another network, but nothing firm.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Thanks! I was tempted to link that but couldn't remember the link for it.
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Strange New Worlds is five episodes into its first season and every one is an instant classic. It's that good.
I think ST:D and ST:Picard just set the bar so low that ST:SNW seems better than it actually is. It still suffers from some of the bad writing that plagues ST:D. They didn't even attempt to thinly veil the political references. On the episode I've most recently watched (the one with the comet), the "bad guys" hold their fire while the captain has somewhat leisurely-paced discussion on what they should do next to avoid being blown out of the stars.
I'll give them credit for at least hitting the ground runn
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Star Trek shows usually have ropey first seasons. There are exceptions, the first episode of DS9 was good and Enterprise's first season was overall quite decent.
Picard... Season 1 wasn't bad, wasn't great. Season 2 was an absolute disaster. Worryingly they shot all of season 3 at the same time (it's currently in post-production) so unless they can do something in the edit it's possible they it's already screwed.
Discovery was quite different for a Trek show. Season 3 was not all that good, but otherwise it's
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I've noticed that any female lead in sci-fi is automatically labelled a Mary Sue, even if it's obviously untrue. Rey from Star Wars is a great example. Despite demonstrating that she is a terrible pilot and getting beaten by an injured man with a lightsabre, and having force powers, she is apparently unrealistically good at those things.
Burnham starts her story in Discovery by starting a war with the Klingons and getting her captain killed. Not exactly the standard Mary Sue plotline.
TOS was badly written ev
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Surely beating trained Klingons proves it's real Trek. The "Worf had flu" was named for the trained Klingon who regularly got his arse handed to him by the baddie of the week, usually to prove what a threat they are to the crew.
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>"It reminds me a lot of TNG. Far from perfect, but with occasional moments of brilliance and overall very enjoyable."
That is a lot how I would describe it, too. I really loved the first two "seasons." Kind of a STTNG but with more levity and comedy. However, I use the term "seasons" weakly, since they weren't. 12 and 14 episodes.... and now just 10, are not "seasons" and that is my complaint about most modern shows like this...
STTNG had 7 years of 26 episodes. And most all of them were very good.
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Season 1 of The Orville was mostly decent, a few bottle episodes. Season 2 started really badly, with three poor episodes in a row, but really picked up towards the end. Hopefully the new direction is more of that and less of the bad jokes.
Re:Amazing, intelligent, beautiful, funny show (Score:5, Insightful)
AmiMoJo burbled:
Strange New Worlds is five episodes into its first season and every one is an instant classic. It's that good.
You're kidding me, right?
The writing on SNW is execrably bad. Not the plotting, not the characterization, the writing itself is incompetent on a fundamental, grammatical level. At one point the writers even put the non-word "phenomenons" in Spock's mouth.
Spock - the embodiment of precise, grammatically-correct, logical speech - utters "phenomenons" with his bare face hanging out. That's writerly incompetence of epic proportions.
I'm not even going to get into the writers' laziness with plot devices, such as the transporter magically requiring the away team members physically reach an exposed "rally point" before they can be whisked off-planet in Memento Mori, because that, at least, is in keeping with ST:TOS's penchant for fluctuating transporter capabilities as the plot demands. But the clown who put "phenomenons" in Spock's mouth truly deserves summary execution ...
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thomst:
You're kidding me, right?
Probably not, and I agree with that poster.
At one point the writers even put the non-word "phenomenons" in Spock's mouth.
Which is perfectly fine, and very much a word, with a specific meaning at that.
See the third definition on https://www.merriam-webster.co... [merriam-webster.com] and learn something. I do hope you are capable of learning, since you sorely need it.
Spock - the embodiment of precise, grammatically-correct, logical speech - utters "phenomenons" with his bare face hanging out. That's writerly incompetence of epic proportions.
No, that is you doubling down on being completely wrong and an utter twit. Since effectively the entire post of yours goes on and on about this detail, based on your entirely faulty presumption, there is really nothing more that needs t
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If one word is enough for you to consider the whole show "badly written", then The Orville is total crap too. They did an entire episode based on a toilet joke. I enjoyed it, but it wasn't well written or even particularly funny.
Sorry but you are talking bollocks. Strange New Worlds is exceptionally well written. They have mastered the craft of storytelling with an episodic show that integrates longer arcs, in a way that no other Trek show (and certainly not The Orville) has managed to do.
The characters hav
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I was thinking about this today and remembered that I found Spock to say some very odd things in TOS as well. It was partly because our understanding of science wasn't as advanced back then, and partly because what we did understand hadn't really filtered through to non-academics yet. Some of it goes against what we now understand about the universe, but mostly it's just odd choices of words and outdated analogies.
You could say that TOS was badly written, and you wouldn't be wrong in a lot of cases. But you
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"your plan requires flying the Enterprise into one of the most turbulent phenomenons in space"
"Phenomenons" is the correct form when talking about an exceptional occurrence, which is implied by Spock's usage of the superlative.
His usage is perfectly cromulent.
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The CGI porn was pretty unnecessary. I love the look of Strange New Worlds, but they don't spend large chunks of the episode showcasing it.
The whole subplot with the new ship was pointless. I guess it was too establish a new character but there are much better ways than a bad video game.
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It isn't even a sentient being.
Do you even watch the show, bro? Isaac is absolutely, unquestionably sentient.
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No, they raise it as a question frequently, but it's never answered
You are actually 100% completely and totally wrong there. Are you confusing Isaac with Data from Star Trek?
The question of Isaac's sentience is never once raised, ever. In fact, the word only occurs in the dialoge of the show 3 times: Once in S1E2, in the context of the Calivon (not Isaac), once in S2E8, where Claire says, "He's a sentient being. And he's my patient." and once in S2E9 when Kaylon Primary is talking to Isaac about biologicals.
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You can't. Because it is never raised.
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You clearly haven’t watched the latest episode. I was expecting something to laugh at but it was a real downer. Felt more like an after school special. That and totally forgetting that Norm MacDonald played the green blob guy. Wonder how they’ll write him out of the show?
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You clearly haven’t watched the latest episode.
Actually, I did. And I loved every minute of it.
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i was also disappointed.
When it first came out i made it through maybe 3 or 4 episodes of the Orville and then dropped it.
The whole tone of it was obnoxious. I don't remember if they were military or just a para-military corporation, but there was hardly a nod to any discipline or hierarchy that exists in those places. Heck, a freakin Starbucks is more organized and professional.
That all male race (gay marriage! how on-trend! (back then). oh look, male pregnancy! edgy! , but wait actually that's because
Re: Amazing, intelligent, beautiful, funny show (Score:2)
The season 1 finale (Mad Idolatry) is one of the most clever sci-fi plots I've seen. It would stack up well against the best season 3 or 4 TNG episodes. Looking forward to season 3.
First mention- ever (Score:2, Offtopic)
I've been reading and journaling at Slashdot off and on since 1998. So long that my alias no longer fits my politics (I've become a Catholic Monarchist Distributist since then- read my journal back far enough and you'll see my slow evolution).
I posted my review, linked above, because the first episode of the third season is about racism and suicide- two things I have a good deal of things to say on, and two items that I have ended up in "facebook jail" (banned on facebook) for a time for discussing, repeat
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My reply looked too much like ascii art. Now retyping the whole thing.
The journal post is linked to in the ORIGINAL STORY here on slashdot, so I fail to see why it is offtopic.
Hmm (Score:4, Interesting)
It seems the only way to get this in Europe is to pirate it. I would not mind paying, but there simply is no option. Oh, well.
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Nope. Just checked again in case I missed it the first time. I can get season 1 and 2, but not 3. Well, I tried. Back to the pirated copy I found faster (!) than it took to search Amazon.
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Same for Canada.
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From what I've heard, Disney+ has worldwide distribution rights for season 3. You know, Fox and all. Many in the US have mistakenly thought it included the US because they have Disney+, but not Hulu, but could not find it on Disney+.
I'm sad because it probably means it won't be coming to DVD, so I can't complete my disc collation of Orville.
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Ok, I will have a look. Maybe Disney+ is available here by now. Thanks for the hint.
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Which is a good thing because you're not supposed to eat polycarbonate plastic.
Freedom is not always best (Score:2)
They had the freedom to spend what felt like 20 minutes rebuilding that starfighter in The Book of Boba Fett, making me wish some money hungry network exec had cut it down by about two thirds.
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Orville really is modern Star Trek (Score:3)
From the summary:
GameRant argues that The Orville in general "is actually truer to the Star Trek spirit than any of the franchise's contemporary entries."
Now I've not seen Discovery yet, but I have seen a number of other modern Star Trek shows and also The Orville, and I really feel this statement to be true - the Orville is just way more fun to watch because it's coming from a much more positive headspace.
I have never subscribed to Hulu before but this show is what will probably convince me to do so.
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It's more like a Galaxy Quest [imdb.com] TV series, starring discount Tim Allen. The Orville is significantly campier than any of the 90s era ST series. The Orville is entertaining, but when they try to be serious it's like watching South Park do a serious episode. It's just a little awkward.
Not any more (Score:1)
It's more like a Galaxy Quest TV series, starring discount Tim Allen.
I would agree it started out like that but even by the end of the first season you could tell it wasn't all humor and really more serious than it first appeared. I actually am not even that keen on some of the jokes in the show but I still like it quite a bit.
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Galaxy Quest was a sci-fi parody and attempted primarly to be funny, with little drama. The Orville, in contrast, isn't even remotely a parody; it's a serious homage to ST:TNG, with bits of comedy as a garnish.
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Firefly/Serenity is a better example of a modern space opera. The ex wife giving up her career to help her jilted husband is so 1950s. The misogynist blob, so out of place. The idea that one man is needed to fix
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The Orville is like TNG and Voyager.
Strange New Worlds is like TOS and Enterprise, but also it's own unique thing.
Discovery is like season 3 of Enterprise, or some of DS9. Season long story arcs and a feeling of desperation with big stakes.
The main issues with The Orville are the filler episodes and the bad jokes that just aren't funny. It seems like they might have fixed both of those, with a bigger budget and more serious stories. To be fair towards the end of season 2 they were getting there. Like TNG an
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Great summaries, I think you are spot on.
Fair point about the cringe jokes but like you say it seems like they may have by and large moved past those as they realize what they have...
On a side note, while I liked DS9 a lot and even Enterprise, Discovery really lost me after they went to that alternate universe. None of the choices characters made seemed in character to me and I stopped watching then. In fact Discovery annoyed me so much I didn't watch any new Star Trek after... but I will try and watch St
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I loved the mirror universe stuff, it was such good fun. Or do you mean the jump to the future? Season 3, the first future one, was a bit of a dud. 4 was great though.
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Pretty sure it was season 2 somewhere that lost me, so I think mirror universe... maybe I'll try and at least watch season four though, thanks for the tip.
Bait and switch (Score:4, Insightful)
Everyone expected MacFarlane's show to be nothing but a sophomoric, childish, lowbrow comedy centered entirely around gags. The ironic part is his show has turned out to be truer to the original incarnations of Star Trek than any of the official "Star Trek" series in the last decade. It is basically the episodic Star Trek of old, and never demeans or makes jokes at the expense of what Star Trek really is. You can tell MacFarlane really does love Star Trek.
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The Orville is much more like TNG and Voyager than it is like The Original Series (TOS).
The Orville is careful not to ruffle too many feathers. It does cover some contemporary issues, but always resolves them in the least controversial way possible. The episode "About a Girl" is a great example of that, being a thinly veiled debate over gender issues, but they end up just conforming to the social norm anyway. TNG did exactly the same thing in The Outcast.
Discovery and Strange New Worlds are much more like T
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The episode was about a sexual reassignment surgery that happened at birth, so I thought it was more akin to genital mutilation that happens to babies today. I thought this episode was more about the clash of cultures and how the humans viewed the moclan's as barbaric while the reverse thought outside cultural norms were being unfairly forced upon them. I thought the ending was maybe even a little controversial: The humans basically decide that although they detest this whole concept and find it morally evi
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Why The Orville is good and STD is shit (Score:3, Interesting)
"Seth" Trek, aka The Orville, is written by people who actually understand what makes great Sci-Fi: Exploring the social and moral implications of Technology.
The critics magically went from 30% [rottentomatoes.com] in Season 1 to 100% [rottentomatoes.com] in Season 2. Notice how the audience score was at 94% in Season 1, and 91% in Season 2. More proof that critics often times don't know what they fuck they are talking about.
The Orville provides a social commentary in a futuristic setting. It doesn't beat you over the head with preachiness. You'll notice the same thing in ST:TNG -- it was quite progressive and didn't make a big deal about liberal ideas -- it respected your time and mind. It would try to present both sides to an issue and let you make up your own mind. i.e. "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
The main reason why that dumpster garbage fire STD is complete shit is because it is dumb action schlock about a wannabe Vulcan having tantrums and whispering with fake, forced emotions.
Star Trek fans don't hate STD because it is Star Trek. We hate it because it isn't Star Trek.
GOOD Sci-Fi shows worth watching include:
* The Expanse
* The Orville
* The Mandalorian
* Black Mirror
* Battlestar Galactica
* Continuum (2012) with Rachel Nichols
* Dark Matter
Shit shows to avoid:
* Star Trash Disaster
* Star 'Tard Picard
* Stranger Things -- garbage after season 1
* Westworld -- jumped the shark after Season 1
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haha, the first half of season two STP isn't too bad but, admittedly, the second half is pretty bad
Otherwise, I totally agree with your good sci-fi recs though I'd maybe classify Loki as sci-fi almost despite being Marvel and it was pretty solid
Season 2 of Orville's best of both worlds arc was pretty solid
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Star Trek fans don't hate STD because it is Star Trek. We hate it because it isn't Star Trek.
The problem with ST:D is that it takes an entire season to tell a story that would've fit in a two-parter, back in the day. Instead of filling the time with interesting sub-plots (Halo got pretty close to getting this right), we're instead treated to hours of interpersonal drama from characters who are constantly behaving like they just lost their emotional support animal.
Ironically, in the latest series (ST:SNW), Spock essentially tells Uhura to get your shit together and do the job you signed up for, or
Re: Why The Orville is good and STD is shit (Score:2)
My issue with STD is that they took a really cool concept - jump 900 years in the future - and have flubbed it so badly I just get mad every time I watch it. They're 900 years in the future and their big advances are personal transporters (why does anyone ever walk?) and floating heads up displays? 900 years, and they made their warp nacelles wireless. Good job folks. To make matters worse, a pre-Kirk era starfleet scientist came up with a jump drive, and then over the next 900 years nobody happened to com
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Now that she is back in the time line I fully expect her and her 900 year out of date schooling to teach all the future scientists a couple new tricks. Just like she did in Season 1 with cutting edge experts of her day. After all the continuing adventures of Mary Sue Space Jesus are all about her being the best at everything. For all time.
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I mostly agree. But "The Mandalorian"? That show was so abysmally stupid I had to stop watching.
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The critics went after it because The Orville was determined to be the show of the enemy. From that era there's a lot of disconnect between critics and audience scores (e.g Alita, Lady Ghostbusters, Dark Fate). The Orville was viewed by the 'journalist' classes as a rally point for the people who supposedly rejected STD because it was 'diverse'. Literally the worst people ever.
As time wore on, the critics became aware they were looking clownish, only making themselves increasingly irrelevant. I forget what
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Re: Why The Orville is good and STD is shit (Score:2)
30% critic approval rating on season 1 according to a 97% audience rating. While I'd agree it's not as great as 97%, doesn't 30% seem oddly low?
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30% critic approval rating on season 1 according to a 97% audience rating. While I'd agree it's not as great as 97%, doesn't 30% seem oddly low?
Critics are publishing reviews before the whole series has aired and often off of only watching the pilot. The audience usually posts their review after they have watched the whole series. My review of the series would be completely different if you asked me to review it after watching just the first episode as compared to watching the series as a whole.
Re: Why The Orville is good and STD is shit (Score:2)
Wouldn't the same logic also to apply to series that saw high praise from critics with a more subdued audience score? STD comes to mind.
While that's certainly a factor, alone a good reason to ignore critics, there was clearly a culture wars aspect to reviews back then.
Enjoyed Season 3, Episode 1 (Score:1)
I thought the episode started off strong, was a bit weak in the middle, and then finished strong.
I was worried I would be irritated by a cliched ending but they "paid" for it with enough good writing that I wasn't.
It dealt with a sensitive topic in a way that *many* people who have dealt with that issue spoke well of.
I hope we see more of the spiky girl.
I hope they stop having 1 alien of each race except humans. I'd prefer we start seeing more crew from the same race and hope they put some thought into th
Good return, but they have a lot to live up to. (Score:2)
They weren't exactly having to compete with Trek itself when they did the first couple of seasons.
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They weren't exactly having to compete with Trek itself when they did the first couple of seasons.
You can say that again. Star Dreck Disastery was an abomination and a crime against humanity.
Dead to me (Score:2)
Part of what made the show great was that you could just watch it for free on Fox. Unfortunately, they couldn't work out a deal that was mutually beneficial to both parties. Fox is also great for being the network that preempts everything for sports so it was always going to be rough but they could have found a time slot (Tuesday, Wednesday) where that doesn't happen very often.
Instead they shunted it off to streaming. I'm not paying for that, no matter how compelling the content is. Star Trek became pa