Monkeypox Outbreak Poses 'Real Risk' To Public Health, WHO Official Says (nytimes.com) 202
The World Health Organization's top official in Europe on Wednesday called for urgent action by the authorities and civic groups to control fast-rising cases of monkeypox that he said posed a real risk to public health. From a report: Europe has emerged as the epicenter of an outbreak of monkeypox, with more than 1,500 cases identified in 25 European countries, which account for 85 percent of global cases, the official, Dr. Hans Kluge, the W.H.O.'s director of its European region, said at a news conference. The W.H.O. will convene its emergency committee in Geneva next week, Dr. Kluge added, to determine if the outbreak constitutes a public health emergency of international concern, a formal declaration that calls for a coordinated response between countries.
"The magnitude of this outbreak poses a real risk," Dr. Kluge said. "The longer the virus circulates, the more it will extend its reach, and the stronger the disease's foothold will get in nonendemic countries." Monkeypox is a viral infection endemic in West Africa, but it has now spread to 39 countries, including 32 that have no previous experience of it, the W.H.O. director, Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, told reporters on Tuesday. Countries outside Africa and Europe that have identified cases of monkeypox include Australia, Brazil, Canada, Israel and the United States.
"The magnitude of this outbreak poses a real risk," Dr. Kluge said. "The longer the virus circulates, the more it will extend its reach, and the stronger the disease's foothold will get in nonendemic countries." Monkeypox is a viral infection endemic in West Africa, but it has now spread to 39 countries, including 32 that have no previous experience of it, the W.H.O. director, Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, told reporters on Tuesday. Countries outside Africa and Europe that have identified cases of monkeypox include Australia, Brazil, Canada, Israel and the United States.
Can't wait till big pharma profit off this... (Score:2, Funny)
Can't wait till big pharma profit off this.
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Soooo, you would rather get sick, possibly maimed and maybe die than pay $15 for a vaccine? Yeah, really smart....
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yea - those words are EXACTLY what I said....
all I said, was can't wait to big phama profit off this...
you know - how they are conveniently rising costs for doses, and raking in BILLION dollar profit off covid 19...
Thats all that was said.
but no - making shit up as "fact" from a arm chair no body online - you should work for CNN - you'd be good at it.
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how they are conveniently rising costs for doses
Nothing convenient about it. They did after all give the first batches away at cost and didn't even recover R&D. You expect someone to provide a service for you without profit?
Hey I got a programming job that needs doing, you interested? I won't pay you but you seem to think everything in the world happens out of the goodness of hearts so I expect you do to the same.
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I mean, if you could write a program that saved millions of lives, wouldn't you? Even if it meant not getting rich or even paid?
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I would, but I don't have shareholders to sue me for not getting them profits.
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all I said, was can't wait to big phama profit off this...
I also can't wait for big pharma to profit off this... but I'm completely serious and not a bit sarcastic, and not because I own pharma stocks (I don't think I do... maybe in a mutual fund? Dunno.)
The profit motive is what drives the creation, production and distribution of essentially all valuable goods and services. Without that motive we'd have almost none of the stuff that makes our lives comfortable and pleasant. And might not have the stuff that makes our lives possible. If we want companies to cont
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It appears to not be a terribly easy disease to catch and that fluid transfer is a vector.
Here's a link. [cnbc.com]
We are repeating the errors of aids (Score:2)
wait, so if WHO thinks this will explode.. that means people are ... doing exactly that!!!
No, its similar to aids. Anal often involves small blood vessel ruptures and that allow for easier transmission. Currently they think it is largely being transmitted in homosexual circles. However bisexuals will transmit it to females and then heterosexual males will be exposed, even through vaginal sex. Vaginal has a lower risk of transmission but it does occur. This is where it explodes in the population at large.
Thinking that aids was just a homosexual/anal problem is one of the myths that led to its
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Let's not repeat the same misunderstanding with monkey pox. It will be coming to a two-entry girl near you.
If you find yourself a two-entry girl, you lock that in quick. Put a ring on her if need be.
Note happy voice of experience.
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Ahhh, you must be someone who works for Fox News... because nothing you wrote is remotely true... or even remotely makes sense.
Just like CNN and MSNBC. People who say these things about Fox as if it isn't an epidemic on all news, aren't paying attention.
The only news I can think of that isn't like this is AP.
CNN and MSNBC are nothing like Fox... Fox is Murdochs propaganda machine and has almost no basis in fact or reality. However if you want actual news, start looking at sources outside the US.
The problem with Fox News viewers is, they've been spoonfed bullshit for so long that when they see a well written, factual article with a style guide to avoid bias, they instantly assume it's all lies because they don't know anything beyond inflammatory propaganda.
Re:Can't wait till big pharma profit off this... (Score:4, Insightful)
Soooo, you would rather get sick, possibly maimed and maybe die than pay $15 for a vaccine? Yeah, really smart....
I live in a country with a functioning health care service. If I need a vaccine, assuming one is safe and available, I don't need to worry about cost up front.
However to answer your question more directly, I've taken a few optional vaccines for travel (Hep A/B, Typhoid, Yellow Fever, stuff that doesn't really exist in the west) which aren't covered by a universal health care system and a bit more expensive than $15 and I didn't even look twice. None of the illnesses I've been vaccinated for look like fun to have.
I really hope they do (Score:5, Interesting)
Big Pharma is no different to anyone else who profits off me. I hope they profit from this.
Just like the farmer profits from growing me food.
Just like the supermarket profits from giving me such a wide selection and making feeding myself easy.
Just like Slashdot profits by providing me a daily opportunity to laugh at people making stupid posts. (Thanks by the way).
Now if you'll excuse me it's time for Reckitt Benckiser to profit. I have a sore through and their soothing lozenges work a treat.
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There has to be some balance. Here the supermarkets are making record profits, partially on the backs of farmers, who are losing money in many (most?) cases.
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Promiscuity: the gift that keeps on giving, to big pharma at least.
Said someone in the 1980s regarding aid (Score:2)
Can't wait till big pharma profit off this.
Said someone in the 1980s regarding aids.
Slashdot epidemiologists (Score:5, Insightful)
We've lived in a pandemic free world for so long that any disease that breaks through must be some conspiracy, and nothing to do with the fact that biology is complex and never 100% one way or the other.
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https://genius.com/Dead-kenned... [genius.com]
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Re:Slashdot epidemiologists (Score:5, Informative)
Indeed. This will not be the last pandemic, we had quiet on the front for too long. Also, Covid is far from over. Get vaccinated, and when the Omicron stuff comes out, get it. Vaccines are safer than ever. Not 100%, they cannot be, but a _lot_ better than getting the actual "natural" vaccination and some real health damage to go with it with pretty high probability. For example, one of the people I work for is an entusiast cyclist, she had a "mild" case before a vaccine was available and she _still_ is not back to her old performance.
These morons just have found out they can scream "conspiracy" now, when they have no arguments and no actual understanding of the subject matter.
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Reminder: before antibiotics, one skin infection out of 9 led to death.
This sounds suspiciously like bullshit to me. Not that it can't be true, but that it's still a horribly misleading statistic. I get skin infections now and again, I never use antibiotics for them, and they usually clear up on their own or after treatment with something hilariously mundane like witch hazel (and often repeated, uh, expression.) I've had a lot more than nine of them. I try to avoid antibiotics in general because of the negative repercussions for gut health, which relates to the health of the w
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It was around 11%
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/0... [nytimes.com]
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Re:Slashdot epidemiologists (Score:5, Insightful)
Sadly, the virus itself, particularly the variant called omicron, is a type of vaccine, that is, it creates both B-cell and T-cell immunity
Such a fucking stupid thing to say, and not a clever thing to quote either. The vaccine can't give you Covid. That's why Omicron is not "a type of vaccine" by any definition. It might be described as a relatively safe way to develop immunity, if you didn't have the vaccines to compare to, and you had to compare only to prior strains. But since you do, getting Omicron is a shitty way to immunize.
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Moreover, properly controlled studies that look at the virus itself, taking as many factors as possible into account, show that Omicron is just as nasty as Delta in terms of what it will do to a naive subject. The only reason we're seeing fewer deaths is that the population as a whole has shifted with regard to susceptibility due to immunization and previous infections.
COVID-19 is not a disease you want to get, period. Even if you don't die or end up in the hospital, the chances are pretty high that you'll
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Detecting rare, delayed side effects from a vaccine is not a matter of time, it is a matter of numbers. If you have an effect that occurs at a rate of 1 per million, it is extremely unlikely to ever be detected in a trial of 50000 no matter how long you wait. Literally multiple billions of mrna covid vaccines have been delivered at this point. If anything was ever going to happen it would've happened.
The longest-delayed side effect that has ever been seen fr
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Recent research suggests that Omicron isn't safe for anyone. Even people who get very mild symptoms suffer brain damage and sometimes respiratory damage.
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Probably 10 people in my circle got covid (some before the vax, some after) and none of them have shown the merest whiff of brain damage, or respiratory damage.
How much clinical testing have you done on your pals?
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Re:Slashdot epidemiologists (Score:5, Insightful)
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Please, RaTG-13 is fake and everybody who understands sequencing knows it.
Explaining the mechanism between the nCov-19 ancestor and nCov-19 without using the fake RaTG-13 sequence is the necessary first step in finding out how it arose. And, yes, the conspiracy to prevent that is obvious and real. Look at the WHO/CCP bickering and drama last week (which is long past due).
If you can't admit that the SurgiSphere paper was a conspiracy to commit medical and ethical fraud, don't bother being part of this partic
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Well, the problem is you share a country with them and they do not understand how stupid they are.
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Well, the problem is you share a country with them and they do not understand how stupid they are.
The problem is that we all share a planet with a spectacular number of gleefully undereducated DKs. They know they don't know, they are happy not to know, and in fact they think they're not missing anything by not knowing because they know so very little.
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That is one of the problems. The other is those that have education but chose to ignore it whenever they like.
Re: Slashdot epidemiologists (Score:2)
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I'd argue the average right wing idiot doesn't live in a massive metro that directly relies on the country side that is controlled by an opposing party.
Your chances of survival in the country are probably better then in the middle of a metro if things go to shit, aka no power or riots.
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Tornadoes, wildfires, dustbowls, sandstorms, floods etc. come long before power outages and riots.
They also tend to be much harder to stop or control.
Speaking of control... neither party controls the "country side". BOTH parties in the US are subsidizing it heavily. [stlouisfed.org]
And before you go "But under Dumpeacho..." - the moron had to buy off all the crops he ruined with his trade war with China. [ewg.org]
Remember THAT shit? Ahh... The good ole days, when senile morons wasted mostly just money.
Anyway... When the shit actually
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Gas worthy? Remind me again who the real Nazi's are.
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If we pretend that they don't exist, and don't try to understand how they work, then they won't attack us.
Never mind the fact that monkeypox did not emerge in Wuhan, and it's hard to see how any disease could come out of China now, given its harsh lockdowns that dickheads like you also criticize.
So why is COVID-19 coming from Wuhan such a significant coincidence that proves China and the NIH is behind it, but monkeypox not emerging anywhere ne
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Yeah, no one would have noticed they couldn't have elective surgery in 2020 because the ICU had filled and overflowed into the rest of the hospital!
This leads to another big lie told by conspiracy theorists "B-B-B-B-But the hospitals aren't overflowing, look there's still a bed, derp". It wasn't total bed availability that was the issue, but ICU availability and the main difference between an ICU and a surgical theatre is the equipment inside it.
Also it wasn't just elective surgery that was pushed back, a lot of non-critical cases were as well. The UK's NHS is still catching up and likely will be for the rest of the year.
Over here we've jabbed ou
Curious, that (Score:2)
Is it really much of a danger if you, say, don't frequent BDSM gay raves?
https://www.nbcnews.com/health... [nbcnews.com]
Yeah, that was the primary spreading event in Europe.
Funny how that doesn't get a lot of coverage. I wonder why?
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Yeah, that was the primary spreading event in Europe. Funny how that doesn't get a lot of coverage. I wonder why?
Because it's not actually relevant to how the disease spreads?
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Funny how that doesn't get a lot of coverage. I wonder why?
It has been covered and indeed gay sex doesn't increase risk more than hetero sex according to science.
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Lots of people in this thread itching for a re-run of early-AIDS-era vilification of gay men it seems...personally I hope all such people get monkeypox by brushing against another player in a church volleyball game.
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Vilifying the first group identified in an outbreak is ridiculous and never done if a political motive is lacking. Hardly anyone tried to vilify Chinese wet market vendors early in the COVID19 pandemic for example. Lots of people tried to vilify China and Chinese people in general though, funny how that works...
Notice that homosexuality is an immutable biological trait while anti-mask/anti-vax actions are just a behavior or at most, a provably wrong belief. The "irresponsible, incautious sexual relations" y
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"homosexuality is an immutable biological trait" You know that being gay doesn't automatically give you AIDS, right?
""irresponsible, incautious sexual relations" you decry are similar to what any straight person might've called Tuesday" So to you Tuesday is the heterosexual day for sex without protection with multiple serial, often anonymous partners? Do heteros engage in incautious sex practices? Absolutely. Do they do it in the context of a disease that if transmitted will kill them? Yes, but not at
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So you think the average gay man lives in a masked orgy dungeon and the average straight person only has rubbered-up sex with their long-term partner? Stereotypes much? There's not nearly as much difference in the behavior averages as you'd like to think.
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Nope, it is not an air borne disease. It's transferred between skin to skin contact. Touching poxes is what gets you infected. You rapidly increase your chances of skin to skin contact when you attend sex parties. Apparently a lot of gay men enjoy going to sex parties, more so then any other demographic.
So really, just stop touching everyone you meet and you drastically reduce your chances of catching this.
Much different then covid which you can catch just by sitting across the room from someone that is sic
sure it does (Score:2)
is the ukraine conflict becoming boring?
Relatively easy to avoid (Score:2)
This one, unlike COVID, is relatively easy to avoid. Since transmission requires direct contact with bodily fluids, sores and things of that nature - just don't touch other people, at least for now. It may not be very fun, but it's not difficult.
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CDC Says (Score:3, Informative)
> Monkeypox virus can spread when a person comes into contact with the virus from an infected animal, infected person, or materials contaminated with the virus. The virus can also cross the placenta from the mother to her fetus. Monkeypox virus may spread from animals to people through the bite or scratch of an infected animal, by handling wild game, or through the use of products made from infected animals. The virus may also spread through direct contact with body fluids or sores on an infected person or with materials that have touched body fluids or sores, such as clothing or linens.
Monkeypox spreads between people primarily through direct contact with infectious sores, scabs, or body fluids. It also can be spread by respiratory secretions during prolonged, face-to-face contact. Monkeypox can spread during intimate contact between people, including during sex, as well as activities like kissing, cuddling, or touching parts of the body with monkeypox sores. At this time, it is not known if monkeypox can spread through semen or vaginal fluids.
Therefore:
The number of times I am in contact with people who have ANY of the above is 0.00000000000001 times annually.
And my level of give a shit is as close to zero as can be.
Oooooooook! (Score:2)
Only great apes are in danger, not monkeys.
Re: Oooooooook! (Score:2)
and gerbils, hamsters, mice and rats.
Re: Fuck the WHO (Score:5, Informative)
Re: Fuck the WHO (Score:5, Funny)
The primary way monkey pox is spreading is through sex
Then why is this story on Slashdot? How is it "News for Nerds?"
Re: Fuck the WHO (Score:5, Funny)
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Speak for yourself! I had sex once!
allegedly
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That time with your mom doesn't count.
As long as it wasn't the pet monkey
Re: Fuck the WHO (Score:5, Funny)
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The primary way monkey pox is spreading is through sex
So I can get monkey pox by watching streamer doing yoga in a swimming pool on twitch?
Re: Fuck the WHO (Score:5, Funny)
I think not fucking monkeys is a good advice in general, regardless of possible STDs you could catch.
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Just be careful about who you're raw dogging. The primary way monkey pox is spreading is through sex
Dogging? No this one comes from Apes and is primarily spread by Stonks.
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Ayup - instead of calling it Monkeypox which is an insult to monkeys, the WHO should rename it to Gaypox.
Tried that in the 1980s, it kind of backfired
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I don't think a mask will help you against monkey pox, but you may want to wear a condom. Vote Republican if you want less accurate information about public health I guess
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FINALLY!!!
Someone gets it.
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The amusing thing is that kids regularly took guns to schools as part of rifle clubs up until the early 80's without significant incident. The fact of the matter is that outside of gang-related violence, which is economic and territorial in nature, mass killings including school shootings were extremely rare prior to the mid 80's. The actual culprit are the modern set of psychotropic drugs that big pharma started pumping out in the 80's and pushed psychiatrists to hand out like candy. Modern anti-depressant
To support your point, Deadly Psychiatry... (Score:2)
... and Organised Denial by Peter C. Gotzsche
https://www.amazon.com/Deadly-... [amazon.com]
"DEADLY PSYCHIATRY AND ORGANISED DENIAL explains in evidence-based detail why the way we currently use psychiatric drugs does far more harm than good. Professor, Doctor of Medical Science, Peter C. GÃtzsche documents that psychiatric drugs kill more than half a million people every year among those aged 65 and above in the United States and Europe. This makes psychiatric drugs the third leading cause of death, after heart dis
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There's a few things that have changed. A long gun is different then a pistol. Those kids were likely rural and taught from a young age how to handle a weapon. My big problem with too many arms easily available is the stupid and ignorant that buy them, often just for an ego trip or similar.
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Lots of parents will disagree, especially Mothers.
Of course if your child is the most important person, it becomes important to stay alive for them.
Re: Montreal offers monkeypox vaccination to all m (Score:2, Troll)
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Re:Montreal offers monkeypox vaccination to all me (Score:5, Insightful)
Since the transmission is clearly by men who have sex with men, it's clear it's by definition an STD spread in the gay community
No. It's literally spread like any other pox disease, via contact with someone infected with the virus. [cdc.gov] Literally any person having sex would pass it as that's literally coming into contact with body fluid. But it can also be with just the pox itself on the skin.
The homosexual part come from the fact that there is a spread event going on in a group of homosexuals that comprise the majority of the number in Europe and America [cnbc.com] (because for Slashdot, those are the only people on the planet to exist). It is the majority of cases in those areas because this disease IS NOT FUCKING SPREADING LIKE A WILD FIRE. IT COULD BE. BUT WE ARE NOT AT THAT LEVEL.
While the virus itself is not a sexually transmitted infection, which are generally spread through semen and vaginal fluids, the most recent surge in cases appears to have been spread among men who have sex with other men, WHO officials said, emphasizing that anyone can contract monkeypox.
So there are just a handful of cases in most first world nations and this one group who have been fucking around, are the majority of those people. And yes, they all fucked each other which means that they have come into contact with each other's body fluids.
But it is not a STD "by definition" because THAT'S NOT WHAT THOSE FUCKING WORDS MEAN! And I am done with people coming up with their fucking definition of already understood words.
Good grief, I thought we were done with idiots on Slashdot spouting non-sense. Clearly we are not.
Focus the attention there instead of trying to misdirect the severity for political and budget reasons
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE FUCKING DOING!! Why are you letting main stream media scare you?! Go find out what the WHO is actually doing. They are telling people that "this could get out of hand" because ... well we just had an example of shit not being contained and everyone treating it like a nothing burger. But right now, the majority effort in first world nations is exactly what you just said. But that said, that does not make it a fucking STD. And it may feel like I'm splitting hairs, because after the last bullshit we went through, YEAH, we're going to have to fucking split hairs apparently.
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It's too bad we didn't tell them to stop having gay sex for two weeks decades ago to stop the spread of AIDS which leaves their immune systems weak and the population more able to support rapid spread of diseases like this.
ok mr. pendantic (Score:3, Insightful)
As explained by men to many a woman (Score:3)
STDs are not even spread exclusively through sex.
As explained by men to many a woman :-)
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Good grief, I thought we were done with idiots on Slashdot spouting non-sense. Clearly we are not.
Are you kidding? They have gotten far worse the past 3 years.
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There are few key points here -
1) Even if its not technically an STD; promiscuous sex is major transmission vector.
2) While its not conclusively proven - certain sex acts, traditionally considered "sodomy" seem riskier in terms of transmission. That could occur in hero-coupling events as well, no sense denying that.
3) The fewer people infected the less likely others are to become infected when engaging in lower transmission rate activities.
The inescapable conclusion here is the sodomy (especially) and forni
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If you can justify denying someone the right to breath without restrictive face ware in public, require social distancing, limit the ability to assemble, or mandate they take a vaccine on the basis doing otherwise increases risks to others of infectious and 'deadly' disease
I don't have any idea whom you are talking to about "you". I'm not a government entity. I'm not making you do anything.
If any of you Karens really cared about public health than you'd reimpose traditional mores around sexual contact
Again, I'm not here to tell what people should do, I'm saying that a "STD" has a very specific meaning and the person is using some made up definition of what STD means. Clearly you've got some sort of moral slant you want to get off your chest so cool, I guess.
its 100% clear it would have done a great deal to limit the impact that HIV
Actual published paper required or admit you're just pulling shit out your ass. Now that said, I don't know about anyone else b
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Re:Montreal offers monkeypox vaccination to all me (Score:4, Insightful)
Since the transmission is clearly by men who have sex with men, it's clear it's by definition an STD spread in the gay community.
That's what HIV was like at first, isn't it? Don't delude yourself into thinking it will confine itself to one community.
Legionnaire's Disease (Score:4, Insightful)
That would make as much sense as only focusing Legionnaires' disease control efforts on Legionnaires. Although the disease was named after them due to the pathogen being discovered at a meeting, a previous outbreak occurred at a hospital and was only identified later from preserved specimens. Since then many outbreaks have occured [wikipedia.org], the largest being at a hospital in Spain.
Since there's not only no stigma but in fact honor associated with being a Legionnaire, the name has stuck without controversy despite it having nothing to do with being one. They were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Same deal here.
Re:Montreal offers monkeypox vaccination to all me (Score:5, Insightful)
it's clear it's by definition an STD
You should *really* look up the definition of an STD. Hint: catching flu from your sexual partner during sex doesn't make flu an STD.
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Since the transmission is clearly by men who have sex with men, it's clear it's by definition an STD spread in the gay community. Focus the attention there instead of trying to misdirect the severity for political and budget reasons.
Some gay men are bisexual. We learned your logic is flawed in the 1980s with aids.
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It's not. Monkeypox, which comes from rodents, is a pox virus like small-, chicken- or cow-pox. It spreads mostly through skin to skin contact, especially contact with the pustules that develop, but in some circumstances it can also spread through respiratory droplets.
Why is it that people think their half-assed "reasoning" on a subject is definitive? Monkeypox was identified in the 50s and it's endemic to several central African countries.
Re:Strange... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah it's weird how they focus on actual diseases even though that's their job.
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Meanwhile it's still OK to advocate against screwing around a lot, or helping teenagers in a suicidal murderous crisis.
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I wish we could somehow know the stats on how often these mass shooters were bullied. I was constantly bullied up until about 9th grade. My solution was to go to my counselor and get myself on a 3 years track to get the fuck out of high school, but the real bullying was 5-8 grade.
The fact that you can get expelled for getting into a physical altercation (which is really the best way to deal with a bully) is likely a real big part of our problems.
You get these kids who are forced to go to an environment wher
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Mental health is their job, too. [cdc.gov]
This thread is about the World Health Organization, not the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Talk of gun reform isn't on topic for this article anyways.
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The World Health Organization's top official in Europe on Wednesday called for urgent action by the authorities and civic groups to control fast-rising cases of monkeypox that he said posed a real risk to public health.
I find it odd how the WHO is concerned about this, but seems totally unconcerned about the deaths caused by the gun epidemic in the U.S.A.
Monkeypox is a disease caused by a pathogen; gun fatalities in the USA (and elsewhere) are not caused by a pathogen. The World Health Organization is an international organization without political power to alter laws within the USA.
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Bullshit. You seem to have zero understanding of the matter at hand. This thing is not airborne.
Re:cant wait for this trucker protest (Score:4, Funny)