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The US Needs a Common Charger, Dems Say (theverge.com) 271

A group of Senate Democrats is calling on the US Commerce Department to follow Europe's lead in forcing all smartphone manufacturers to build devices that adhere to a universal charging standard. From a report: In a Thursday letter addressed to Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo, Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA) -- along with Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and Bernie Sanders (I-VT) -- demanded that the department develop a strategy to require a common charging port across all mobile devices. The letter comes a week after European Union lawmakers reached a deal on new legislation forcing all smartphones and tablets to be equipped with USB-C ports by fall 2024. "The EU has wisely acted in the public interest by taking on powerful technology companies over this consumer and environmental issue," the senators wrote. "The United States should do the same."
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  • by Ksevio ( 865461 ) on Friday June 17, 2022 @09:08AM (#62627740) Homepage

    The EU will drive the charger standard - device makers don't like to make multiple variants for different markets so they're likely to use something that works in the EU as it's a huge market. The US can do it, but it's a little late to the game on this one

    • by chill ( 34294 )

      This is by design. By waiting until the EU mandated this, we can make the same demand knowing full well the tech companies were already going to make the change and always want to minimize the hardware differences between markets. Radio frequencies are pretty much the only thing left, which really isn't "fixable".

      This is the the equivalent of jumping up and saying "Yeah!"

      • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

        This is by design. By waiting until the EU mandated this, we can make the same demand knowing full well the tech companies were already going to make the change and always want to minimize the hardware differences between markets. Radio frequencies are pretty much the only thing left, which really isn't "fixable".

        This is the the equivalent of jumping up and saying "Yeah!"

        By waiting several years until Apple had converted all but two or three of their devices over to a common standard, the EU could mandate this knowing full well that the tech companies were already going to make this change. I mean, they first proposed this in 2018 [cultofmac.com].

        • Except that so many people screamed bloody murder that Apple actually backtracked on USB-C charging for the current generation of MacBook Pros, and the Air is about to take the same step backwards as well. Mind you, I think that's a good thing. I liked MagSafe and thought dropping it in favor of USB-C was a bad idea, and I'm quite glad to see it come back.

          But that's the problem here. MagSafe may not be superior in all circumstances. Though I do wonder if it would have been feasible for Apple to extend o

      • . Radio frequencies are pretty much the only thing left, which really isn't "fixable".

        I do amateur radio. Radio frequencies are pretty much harmonised globally for most stuff. The services may have different names but the frequency ranges. FRS and GMRS for example operate in the same area of spectrum allocated for mobile communicatios that PMR446 does in Europe.

        • I should have been clear, I was referring to things like LTE channels and the like. Cell phones currently have two major chipsets for there radios. One is USA and canada, the other one is international to accommodate this.

          Charles
          N3DEY

      • by HiThere ( 15173 )

        Or the US may decide on a DIFFERENT standard, like they did on TV screen frequencies. (Yes, there were good reasons, but...).

        I feel that it's great that the EU decided to standardize. I'm a lot less certain that the US should also have one. If everyone builds to the EU standard, things are fine. If the EU and the US end up with different standards...not so good.

      • by Kisai ( 213879 )

        Radio frequencies can be solved as well, but not until everyone signs on to the same standard. GPS proves this is possible.

        The reason radio frequency use isn't standard everywhere has a lot to do with the un-even parallel invention of radio-using technologies.

        Same with power. In an ideal world we would have the ultimate compromise between US, EU, and Asian power standards and standardize on a smart 240V 50A connector I will call for the sake of simplicity "USB-Appliance Power Delivery or APD" which is a thr

    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

      Came here to say just what you said. The EU has effectively already created a standard for the world.

      • by Shimbo ( 100005 )

        Came here to say just what you said. The EU has effectively already created a standard for the world.

        Here in the UK we are proudly opting out of the EU standard, not realising that nobody cares.

        • Here in the UK we are proudly opting out of the EU standard, not realising that nobody cares.

          We're not at all. The government just don't see the point wasting time and money to bring in legislation for something that's already guaranteed to happen because of the EU's decision.

      • Exactly. The EU's "suggestion" to standardize on one format about a decade ago managed to change everything worldwide. We finally got rid of the chargers with barrel connectors, 30 pin connectors, card edge connectors, and many other funky formats, where even if the physical shape of the connector is the same, the voltages and polarities may be different. No more walking up to a store display where one physically tries out a bunch of cables to find what works. Even now, you have Lightning, MicroUSB, and

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by clovis ( 4684 )

      The EU will drive the charger standard - device makers don't like to make multiple variants for different markets so they're likely to use something that works in the EU as it's a huge market. The US can do it, but it's a little late to the game on this one

      That's why Europe and the USA use the same sockets/plugs for their AC wall outlets.

      • electrical systems developed at different times, different politics, and different egos
      • by Hodr ( 219920 )

        The point is that the manufacturer already has to make significant deviations in design to accomodate the different plugs, so they already have to make multiple variants. At that point they might as well make the varients whatever they choose.

    • by dbu ( 256902 )

      The EU will drive the charger standard - device makers don't like to make multiple variants for different markets so they're likely to use something that works in the EU as it's a huge market. The US can do it, but it's a little late to the game on this one

      Perhaps we should suggest that the US join the EU. :)

      • by HiThere ( 15173 )

        Probably not a good idea. The EU has different warts than the US does. And large organizations are only responsive to other large organizations. (There are good reasons for that, as well as the more obvious bad results. But that's why I'm an anti-centralist who supports standards.)

    • The US Needs a Common Charger for EVs
      Europe settled already.

  • No shit, buckwheat

  • Please America, make it a different charger from EU, you need to be coherent in being... incoherent!

    DISCLAIMER: this post contains elements of sarcasm

  • Different charging cables are minor inconvenience and our lawmakers should be focused on more important issues.
    • by Klaxton ( 609696 )

      I think they can walk and chew gum at the same time.

      • by deKernel ( 65640 )

        Have you not heard the people D.C. talk? I beg to differ that they can do more than one thing at a time.

      • Our lawmakers? Most of them can't do one thing at a time.

      • A fine argument when at least one of those tasks is critical and being handled with competence.

    • Coercion (Score:2, Informative)

      by JBMcB ( 73720 )

      USB Implementers Forum licensing fee: $3,500 for two years.
      Apple MFi licensing fee: $100 per year.

      What a great way to force people into paying your licensing fees!

      • by satsuke ( 263225 ) on Friday June 17, 2022 @09:48AM (#62627914)

        Apple charges a fee for every cable with a lightning connector on it.

        USB-C is a multivendor endeavor with no per-unit licensing fee.

        From a consumer (read, citizen) perspective, there's no comparison USB-C is superior, and the numbers you cite are a rounding error

        • If USB-C is truly superior, then why is it necessary to force companies to use it?

          If it really is about reducing waste, then why not focus action on the bigger waste producers? For example, every car now has over 5,000 feet of wiring in them. I will own many cars in my lifetime but I doubt I will ever purchase 5,000 digital devices (each with one foot of various wiring).
          • by Ksevio ( 865461 )

            Because standards are good for consumers, not necessarily for companies. Before they were standardized there were lots of connectors and even voltages making them incompatible so if your charger broke or you wanted another, you had to buy the $30 special adapter from the phone manufacturer, you couldn't just use one of the existing USB cables you have or buy a new one for $5.

            It does reduce waste as well as people can keep the cables between devices and don't have to throw out the cable+transformer or cable

          • If USB-C is truly superior, then why is it necessary to force companies to use it?

            It's only apparently necessary to force Apple, and only because of their deliberately incompatible and protectionist cable racket where they get a cut of every credible cable (which has their chip in it)

      • by jrumney ( 197329 )
        You're missing the fact that USB-C connectors can be bought on the open market, and certification is optional (though you can't use any USB trademarks without it), while Apple requires certification. The lab fees for certification dwarf the membership fees in both cases if you are making more than one product.
      • Re:Coercion (Score:5, Informative)

        by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:20AM (#62628058) Homepage Journal

        USB Implementers Forum licensing fee: $3,500 for two years.

        Which grants you the right to use their logo. The specification is public, the connector design is public, the name "USB" is considered generic (as stated in the licensing terms) by the USB-IF themselves. Want to make USB-C cables? No license required as long as you don't stamp the USB logo on the side. That's why so many USB cables don't.

        Apple MFi licensing fee: $100 per year.

        Which grants you the right to buy their official chips to interface to standard bus architectures like USB, plus $4 per Lightning connector. (And it used to be considerably higher than that.) The only other option is to build your hardware using knock-offs and hope that they work. The spec isn't public, so you have no guarantees about anything.

        See the difference between open standards and proprietary standards now?

  • by nucrash ( 549705 ) on Friday June 17, 2022 @09:19AM (#62627782)

    Please do Monitor cabling standards next!

    15+ different monitor cabling styles is becoming frustrating to keep up with.
    DSUB DVI
    DSUB Display Port
    DSUB HDMI
    DSUB USB-C
    DSUB Mini-DVI
    DSUB Mini-Display Port
    DSUB Mini-HDMI
    DSUB MicroHDMI
    DSUB USB-C
    DVI Display Port
    DVI HDMI
    DVI USB-C
    DVI Mini-DVI
    DVI Mini-Display Port
    DVI Mini-HDMI
    DVI Micro-HDMI
    DVI USB-C
    And the list goes on and on.

  • What happens when a better technology (interface design) comes along? I'm betting that the legislation will have no mechanism for changing and will never sunset. Never never never allow a politician dictate technology standards.

    • They will settle on whichever company gives the most kickbacks.

      I personally welcome our new DB-9 charge cable overlords

    • by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) on Friday June 17, 2022 @09:53AM (#62627946)

      That's why we have things like NIST, ISO, ANSI, IEEE, SAE, etc. The government also said every car has to operate on OBD-2 and that has been a net benefit for the consumer.

      Even in this case if companies have enough innovation to demand a new port it can be brought to the USB-IF and since just about every company affected is part of it they can sort it out.

      If we said "no good things now because it might change in the future" what are we even doing at all?

      • by HiThere ( 15173 )

        Perhaps a reasonable argument in this case. Perhaps. But I'd be a lot happier if laws came with built-in sunset clauses. (With, be it admitted, a few exceptions.)

        • To be fair also this isn't actually even proposed legislation yet, just a letter. And if it's something that can be done with just the Commerce Department and not passing a real bill then a sunset clause doesn't actually apply, it can be adapted as needed. I think the act of saying "there should be a standard for these things" is most important, not that the standard is fixed in stone.

      • The government also said every car has to operate on OBD-2 and that has been a net benefit for the consumer.

        True... up to the point that you need an ultra-expensive proprietary-to-each-make computer program in order to get details on what is actually wrong... instead of, you know, making this kind of thing available to car owners and leasers so they can download the information and upload it into the service request for those whose dealers and non-dealer repair shops use online service request appointment systems. Do that and it could really benefit the consumers by speeding up the entire repair process by allow

        • I totally understand that, I think that's more of a case that we are in need of an OBD-3 or other next gen standard, cars have way more computers and tech in them now than in 1996, the protocol was good but could not account for everything in the last 25 years.

          However the alternative history without any OBD standards was and would be every manufacturer having a totally proprietary diagnosis protocol. One that is 100% locked behind manufacturer controlled hardware and probably also encrypted to prevent 3rd p

  • Remember kids, scientists are only allowed to research into one subject at a time, and lawmakers are only allowed to focus on one problem at a time.
  • Back in the days where literally every manufacturer used a different charging cable, and some used different charging cables for different devices, this might have made sense. But as usual, the politicians only get around to dealing with a problem long after it's already more-or-less solved itself. When was the last time anyone here bought a phone that wasn't either USB-C or Lightning? Do we really need a law to turn two cable types into one?

    It's a stupid idea anyway: By insisting on one standard for chargi

  • by swillden ( 191260 ) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Friday June 17, 2022 @09:36AM (#62627858) Journal

    I rarely favor government intervention into markets. Free markets are the most powerful engine we've yet found for producing goods and services that lift all of humanity, and nearly all government interference amounts to harmful market distortion. But establishing common standards is something that markets don't always do on their own, and yet benefit greatly from, much as they benefit from government-standardized weights and measures

    Europe did the right thing in the 90s when they mandated GSM as the single cellular telephone communication standard, they did the right thing when they mandated CCS for electric vehicle charging (even though I think Tesla's connector is better in many ways), and they're doing the right thing now by mandating USB-C for mobile devices. The US should follow suit and mandate both USB-C and CCS. Both consumers and technology companies will be better off.

    The one potentially-legitimate concern of mandating these kinds of standards is that it may block innovation. What if someone wants to build a new charging interface that can provide 200W, rather than USB-C's 100W limit? I think the GSM experience shows that's not really a problem. The GSM we use today (including in the US, because it won) has almost nothing in common with the original standard mandated decades ago. Cellular modem companies still innovated, and got their innovations into succeeding generations of the standard, relying on patent licensing to profit from their R&D rather than consumer lock-in. So I'm not concerned that any limitations of our current USB charging interfaces will be problematic; USB charging will continue to evolve, and this can and will be done in a way that is consistent with standardization.

  • This sounds like a wonderful solution to something that I don't believe was ever actually a problem for anyone.

    Sure, it's a fantastically fun thing to complain about twice a year -- like a lot of things. But as a set of easily-complained, zero consequence "problems", none of them is worth solving.

    It's a great way to distract people from all sorts of other things. "Your problems in life are your phone chargers! We'll fix it for you, and then your life will be amazing -- you'll be rich!"

    And honestly, is th

  • by crow ( 16139 ) on Friday June 17, 2022 @09:40AM (#62627874) Homepage Journal

    How about a common standard for all cars to charge from the same ports? That might actually be useful.

  • Gawd. Of all the things for legislators to focus on. Next year, maybe our hallowed national lawmaking bodies will pass equally impactful laws on the "notch" and the allowable cell phone thickness. While they're at it, maybe they could mandate that every manufacturer must offer at least 5 color options.

    It's not like they have anything more important to do, eh? And, I guess that it's simply too much to expect our population to manage 3 different lengths of wire.
  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Friday June 17, 2022 @09:53AM (#62627950)

    Europe already will make it happen. The US can ride along.

  • Regulation will stifle innovation and increase costs. Let the manufactures decide.

  • ...liberals have this weird fixation with trying to make the US be Europe.

    You know our ancestors left them for a reason?*

    *(I mean, those who came voluntarily, not those who were sold into slavery by African native tribes.)

  • by MrKevvy ( 85565 ) on Friday June 17, 2022 @11:16AM (#62628300)

    I do IT support, and have seen an excess of hardware failures on USB-C laptop charging ports due to stress on the connector; this was very rare with the proprietary connectors as they were larger and sturdier. It's more noticeable on a small device ie a smartphone if there's tension at right angles to the USB-C charging cable, but on a larger and heavier device such as a laptop this can be easily overlooked.

    It's very similar to HDMI-Mini which I consider a failure as I don't see it on modern cards anymore; the weight of thicker HDMI cables could bend the connector. Never saw this with regular HDMI.

    Smartphones and actual tablets (no folding or keyboard) only please.

    • by Junta ( 36770 )

      This is more a side effect of cheaping out on the design than the connector itself.

      The usual failure mode I've seen in USB-C laptop is the USB-C receptacle delaminating from the board, because they went cheap and surface mounted the port to a board without any other reinforcement. They could have the port physically reinforced by the chassis or at *least* do through-hole mounting.

      I suppose you could say a 2 pin power port is easier to repair than a 24 pin connector however, if one were inclined to actually

  • I'm so tired of many Americans deciding our solutions lie in just copying what the EU or other nations have done. (Honestly, if you like their government so much, why don't you consider moving there and giving up your U.S. citizenship? It seems like that would make you happier than constantly fighting to change the way things are done in the USA.)

    Mandating one standard for phone chargers is obviously a really small issue, and not in itself worthy of relocating to a new country! But it's an idea that's not

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

      Honestly, if you like their government so much, why don't you consider moving there and giving up your U.S. citizenship?

      Because the USA is a slave nation. Not only have we officially not abolished slavery (it is explicitly still legal to enslave felons) but the USA makes it very difficult to give up your citizenship, and the process is expensive.

      The USA considers every one of us to be its property. It's like if the law let you sue your kids for the money you spent raising them.

  • While the economy is falling apart, lets find someone in particular to complain about. Like big tech. If we make them look like badish guys and profiteers maybe people will just ascribe the blame for inflation and supply issues to corporate greed and leave us politicians alone!

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