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The Almighty Buck

Troubled Crypto Lender Celsius Seeks Time To Stabilize Liquidity (bloomberg.com) 66

Celsius Network will need more time to stabilize its liquidity and operations, the embattled crypto lending platform said in a blog post after it froze deposits last week. From a report: Celsius, one of the biggest crypto lenders, has been struggling to raise funds in a fragile digital-assets market hit by tightening interest rates, liquidity and the collapse of the Terra blockchain last month. "We want our community to know that our objective continues to be stabilizing our liquidity and operations," Celsius said in its blog on Monday. "This process will take time." The firm has also paused Twitter Spaces and Ask Me Anything, also known as AMAs, in crypto jargon "to focus on navigating these unprecedented challenges," Celsius said in the post.
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Troubled Crypto Lender Celsius Seeks Time To Stabilize Liquidity

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  • by thomn8r ( 635504 ) on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:34PM (#62636472)
    It takes time to get a visa to a non-extradition country.
    • by Shaeun ( 1867894 )

      It takes time to get a visa to a non-extradition country.

      In this case it might be easier to just get a fake identity and move to Madagascar. It is probably quicker... Speed counts!

    • Well, it might cost a lot of the embezzled money, but at least you'll be in freedom... kinda.

    • extradition for what? They haven't actually done anything illegal. The time is to ensure the founders and initial investors can get their money out first before the suckers are left with a steaming pile of nothing.
      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        extradition for what? They haven't actually done anything illegal. The time is to ensure the founders and initial investors can get their money out first before the suckers are left with a steaming pile of nothing.

        Well, not criminally illegal - maybe. There may be fraud charges that can stick.

        But also to move to a place where you can't be legally reached from the civil lawsuits is required if you don't want to be mired in (expensive) lawsuits.

        You may not need to run from criminal lawsuits, you probably have

  • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:43PM (#62636492)

    The firm has also paused Twitter Spaces and Ask Me Anything, also known as AMAs, in crypto jargon "to focus on navigating these unprecedented challenges,"

    And by navigating they mean not answering the hordes of questions from users asking where their money is and why they can't get access to it.

    • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

      Real question is will time help them?

      Last I looked (when I was reading the summary about 10min ago) BitCorn was still locked in its epic struggle to hold the $20k line and was currently under it again.

      Celsius and others failing to redeem deposits on demand or implementing capital controls and withdraw limits certainly does not inspire investor confidence. Every hour people who want to sell but can't and are made to wait is a giant flashing sign screaming the rest of the population "don't invest in this garb

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:49PM (#62636512)

    Who cares about scammers and their victims. The question every geek in the world asks is: How long 'til GPUs get affordable?

  • As someone who has thousands of my hard-earned dollars sitting in Celsius (as do millions of others), I sure hope this gets worked out. Now I know why the FDIC exists.
    • As someone who has thousands of my hard-earned dollars sitting in Celsius

      I hope you get some (or all) back, I like to think the best of people and Celsius freezing everything hopefully means they are figuring out how to get people back as much as possible.

      Now I know why the FDIC exists.

      Probably within a year or so you'll see that people protected by the FDIC are not faring any better than you. The FDIC does not have enough funds to cover everyone if a number of banks fail.

      There are lots of people making fu

      • by clovis ( 4684 )

        Probably within a year or so you'll see that people protected by the FDIC are not faring any better than you. The FDIC does not have enough funds to cover everyone if a number of banks fail.

        If it's liquidity problems, the Federal Reserve will help member banks ride it out as they have done in the past. Sometimes they even help foreign banks.
        The difference between FDIC banks and Celsius is that it will be a cold day in Honolulu before the Federal Reserve will step in to help Celsius.

      • by HiThere ( 15173 )

        I haven't heard anyone serious who thought that crypto was a decent stable investment vehicle. Many considered it a reasonable high risk gamble, but that's a very different kind of thing.

        There's almost always a tradeoff between investment stability and investment return. Crypto threw stability out the window to get maximal return. And it did, but the fluctuations involved are so extreme that a lot of the values end up being below zero. (Like gambling on shorts in the stock market.)

    • Hope that money didn't make up a significant portion of your savings. BTW you have already lost money in USD terms because you lost the opportunity to cash out at bitcoin's relative highs (which, let's be honest, was the reason so many people cashed out of Celsius, so they can sell at the peak), and then maybe re-buy at the dip. This is the problem with those platforms: Not only are they completely unregulated and uninsured, but cryptocurrencies' instability essentially encourages bank runs as everyone trie
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      And does Celsius have paid their insurance fees to the FDIC? No? Well, then the FDIC will not help.

    • As someone who has thousands of my hard-earned dollars sitting in Celsius (as do millions of others), I sure hope this gets worked out. Now I know why the FDIC exists.

      Did you learn your lesson? Or will you still fall for the next crypto scam?

      Only one way to tell I suppose.

      You interested in this new crypto? It's called Fahrenheit.
      Get in early enough and it comes with a free bridge.

  • by julian67 ( 1022593 ) on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:59PM (#62636534)

    Never try to Stabilize Liquidity when you just Liquidized Stability.

  • I am sure they are hoping to receive a govâ(TM)t funded bailout and be considered âoetoo big to failâ like they did with all the other scam operations in 2008. Deny them - remove their license to do financial business, and seize all tangible assets that can be liquidated.

  • by thunderfsck ( 6418260 ) on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:09PM (#62636558)
    Could someone please convert this to Fahrenheit so it makes sense?
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Could someone please convert this to Fahrenheit so it makes sense?

      If you had money deposited with these people then it's now worth '32'. F.

    • by splutty ( 43475 )

      It's something with an F for sure. But not sure if it's Funkyheit.

  • CryptoSpeak: "We want our community to know that our objective continues to be stabilizing our liquidity and operations"
    English: "We're broke".
  • So stable! (Score:5, Informative)

    by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:24PM (#62636616)

    Anyone want to pipe up again about how "paper fiat money" is inherently unstable and crypto will free us from the elites?

    Meanwhile a literal joke token, not even taken seriously by the person who created it, jumps in "value" by 20% because one man said he was buying it and we're supposed to believe what these absolute shitheels have to say about finance or the economy when they cheer that type of thing on?

    • Anyone want to pipe up again about how "paper fiat money" is inherently unstable

      The US dollar has consistently lost value over time since becoming a fiat currency. According to this search result inflation calculator [usinflatio...ulator.com], the inflation since 1970 has been about 653%. I make 71% more than my dad did in 1996, and my buying power is **less** than his final pre-retirement paychecks.

      The boom and bust cycles caused by fiat + fractional reserve banking since the 1970s have been worse than what we had before the loss o

      • The idea that boom/bust is a result of fiat is not really founded, seems to be a result of capitalism in general, a simplification of the basic for Keynesian economics is accepting these states of recession and growth and to base monetary and tax policies around it. I am not syaing what we have now is perfect or doesnt cause problems but there certainly were plenty of banking, monetary and economic problems when we were on the gold standard but they tended to hit harder and last longer with relatively littl

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:37PM (#62636662)
    can you say "Dead Cat Bounce"?
  • The endgame of "computers can create money from nothing" crypto was always going to be that bagholders were bagholders. The thing that made crypto less than desirable for thinking people is the religious zeal of hardcore *pumping". If it was that great, people wouldn't need to pump it so hard. Also, is it an asset, a digital coin, or "an investment"? I do feel bad for the unsophisticated people who were conned - especially the ones borrowing vast sums to "invest" in crypto.
  • Worth of bitcoin out of coinbase. I guess there's a service called whale alert that detects it when a large move happens. My guess would be the big guys are preparing for the exchanges to collapse
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      My guess would be the big guys are preparing for the exchanges to collapse

      They pretty much have already. They are just in the space between jumping out the window and hitting the pavement at the moment.

  • First they took crypto from cryptography, then they took AMA from the rest of us. No way is AMA a crypto term!!!
  • There was a run on the financial institutions. Many did not have sufficient capital to meet the withdrawal demand. Many failed taking the life savings of depositors with them.
    Sound familiar?
    As a result control were legislated (hated by the money people) ant the financial institutions stabilized. They whined and moaned for years until they conned Clinton and the congress into repealing most of them and yanking the teeth from the rest of the financial regulations and anti-trust laws.

    Leading us to the love

  • If not, it would be very cold indeed.

  • Bloomberg reported that the Sequoia Capital China-backed Babel Finance - the distressed crypto lender which we previously reported had frozen withdrawals on Friday amid the relentless cascade in selling - said it won a reprieve on debt repayments.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/cryp... [zerohedge.com]

  • A few years ago all the crypto companies were all saying that crypto was safe from down-turns in the "old" economy...

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