India To Become World's Most Populous Country In 2023, UN Says 62
India is on track to overtake China as the planet's most populous country next year, according to a U.N. report published on Monday. CNBC reports: The report, from the population division of the U.N.'s Department of Economic and Social Affairs, said China and India were each home to over 1.4 billion people in 2022. "India is projected to surpass China as the world's most populous country during 2023," the U.N. said. The Indian government's census for 2011 put the country's population at more than 1.2 billion. "The global human population will reach 8.0 billion in mid-November 2022 from an estimated 2.5 billion people in 1950," according to the U.N.'s report.
Looking further ahead, the U.N. said its latest projections showed the global population could reach roughly 8.5 billion in 2030 and 10.4 billion in 2100. Last year, the U.N. said that the "average fertility" of the planet's population amounted to 2.3 births per woman across a lifetime. This compares to approximately 5 births per woman in 1950, according to Monday's report. "Global fertility is projected to decline further to 2.1 births per woman by 2050," it said.
Looking further ahead, the U.N. said its latest projections showed the global population could reach roughly 8.5 billion in 2030 and 10.4 billion in 2100. Last year, the U.N. said that the "average fertility" of the planet's population amounted to 2.3 births per woman across a lifetime. This compares to approximately 5 births per woman in 1950, according to Monday's report. "Global fertility is projected to decline further to 2.1 births per woman by 2050," it said.
Problem waiting to happen (Score:5, Insightful)
Given that 58% of their population earns their income through agriculture https://www.ibef.org/industry/... [ibef.org]. meanwhile water scarcity in the country gets worse and worse every year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] this is just a disaster waiting to happen.
(and yes when over a billion people start having major disruptions in their lives it will effect us here in the US)
Re:Problem waiting to happen (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Problem waiting to happen (Score:5, Interesting)
India's water problems are exacerbated by idiotic government policies. Farmers in many regions receive free electricity, so they run their pumps 24/7, depleting aquifers and encouraging wasteful irrigation practices.
Once a subsidy is in place, it comes to be seen as an entitlement and is politically impossible to reform.
There's an easy fix (Score:2)
It's like how Bethesda games' character creation don't have any Nerfs, everything is an enhancement. But they're balanced around that. I.e. they set your character's base stats lower and let you spend points enhancing them. It's the same thing mechanically but it feels better.
If the gov't isn't doing this it's l
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India consistently produces a surplus of food. In fact it has so much surplus it doesn't know what to do with it https://thewire.in/agriculture... [thewire.in] One of the problems is that India is producing so much food that farmers are going broke because it has to be sold for such a low price: https://knowledge.wharton.upen... [upenn.edu]
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Good for them, meanwhile their groundwater is running out and the glaciers they depend on for a major portion of their fresh water are shrinking every year.
I mean, just go through that wiki link I posted about their water situation. That country is going to have major problems in a few decades and with it's billion plus people it's going to cause problems for everyone on earth.
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Way to go and mock a still developing country for lacking services. This is a problem in all poor countries without infrastructure. It is not specific to India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
India is at 1.4%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
India built about 90 million toilets in 5 years to reduce the numbers.
Re:but is there enough beach? (Score:4, Interesting)
Way to go and mock a still developing country for lacking services. This is a problem in all poor countries without infrastructure.
Bot many have a space programme, however.
I know it's not as simple as having one or the other, but India really does seem to have left a huge number of people literally in the dust.
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India has funding to care for homeless, and for their polluted rivers... and is just sitting on both, unless it's been embezzled. Modi apparently doesn't want to fix these problems.
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Perhaps because he's thinking of these factors as a natural way of keeping population numbers under control.
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If he is then he's a dumbfuck, because it's not working.
Everybody knows that education and quality of life reduce birth rates.
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Perhaps because he's thinking of these factors as a natural way of keeping population numbers under control.
It's not working. And, seriously, poverty is the worst way to control population because people have kids in order to send them out to work. Wealthy people generally have fewer kids.
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Possibly cos upper caste hindus caste is a complicated system in India) are supporting him, he does not want the lower caste to better themselves / does not think he needs to put resources for them. Not to mention he is busy trying to put down muslims, christians, etc there as well (it finally exploded when they crossed the don't talk bad about Muhammad line in the sand recently).
The normal caste system that most people are aware of classify his caste as "lower caste" since a law changed about 20 years ago.
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It has a space program because it is a large country, not because it is not a poor country.
It is also the reason why it makes the news while smaller countries with way worse statistics don't.
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Re: but is there enough beach? (Score:1)
The British stole $45 trillion. Thatâ(TM)s what happened.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opin... [aljazeera.com]
And thatâ(TM)s after the âoemughalsâ played merry hell for a few hundred years.
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To be fair: The Rajas helped a lot, too.
All that building of palaces out of rubies, owning dozens of Rolls Royces, etc., using taxes to pay for it all and leaving most people in poverty.
And the caste system, that's largely what allowed the Rajas to get away with it.
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Why is India "developing"? (Score:2)
Idiotic language aside, India had prosperous, civilized societies a long, long time before the U.S. was a twinkle in the eyes of the colonists.
What you're wondering about is related to industrialization, and there's no short of information available to you on what happened there.
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Re:but is there enough beach? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is what happens when a nation loses pride in itself. India has not been ruled by Indians with deep rooted affinity to the land for 1000 years. It is invasion after invasion, huge divide between ruling class and ruled people, nearly impossible to cross the divide. So they don't the government and re-organized themselves into thousands of self governing castes, with their own hierarchy, alliances, dominance and subjugation. The caste system was not maintained purely by violence and subjugation. For most people caste was what provided for self defense and dispute resolution, they never trusted the courts nor police.
It would take decades, if not centuries, to create civic pride, voluntary compliance for basic things like hygiene and cleanliness.
The very same desi who craps all over the public lands and beaches would keep her own home clean (not as clean as the West though) and take bath daily. They consider wiping with paper unclean and wash their butts in water.
It takes nuanced understanding of the issue, the solution and the timeline.
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That's quite a bit of whitewashing of Indian history. India has been ruled by Indians throughout most of its existence, and one of its fundamental cultural elements is its inherent slowness of progress due to its relatively secure geography. When you're not threatened from outside to any significant degree because push out to mostly mountains and deserts, and you're sitting on very fertile lands, you don't need to progress fast until outsiders outpace you in technology so much that they can reach you.
That's
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East India Company and later the British Crown ruled India since 1750s basically.
You might call the Moghuls Indians. But they never saw t
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Yes, this sort of incredibly extreme racism is exactly what I'm talking about. When it's not even about measuring skulls, it's measuring how many percentage points of the evil outsider blood from thousand years ago other natives have.
It demonstrates fundamental ignorance on how human populations even work. Hint: we're the same species. Our bloodlines interbreed when in close physical proximity for a long period of time.
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USA had laws against inter-racial marriages well into 20th century and to this day there are people who bemoan the loss of those laws, in the USA. South Africa practiced apartheid well into the end of 20th century. Australia had White Australia policy
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Your "but these other people do it too" is utterly unimpressive. Both because few outside anglosphere care about "other people" red herrings when talking about a specific topic, and because dislike of aristocracy is not specifically Indian in any way. In fact, you may find that the most common modern ideology that goes in that direction is Germano-Jewish in origin. And you'll find descriptions and movements in the same vein throughout human history, regardless of location, culture or religion.
This is as uni
It's got nothing to do with losing pride (Score:2)
What India needs is not civic pride, they need to do away with their Caste system and start treating everyone like human beings. Stop punching down and falling al
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There are lots of things that perpetuate the caste system. The people in power use caste system to continue to cling to power while oppressing the people who are not in power. Yes, that is one of the important aspect of caste system. Is it the only thing keeping it going?
Before colonization there were four things that kept the caste system going. One was trade secrets, like the guilds of Europe. Secret recipes to make steel or to ident
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Still...better than living in India.
Hell, it can't be all that bad here in the US, we have metric fuck-tons of people trying to get into our country, many risking their lives to do it illegally.
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America's excuse is what it always is. America needs no excuse. When many Americans do any navel gazing there' s usually a blind spot centered in the middle of the country, and extending... well, to the borders. You don't have to explain/excuse what you do not acknowledge.
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standard issue to each newborn indian is an entrenching tool
Evidently you are watching different videos than I have seen. Because I haven't observed any attempt to dig a hole and bury the results.
Think downtown San Francisco.
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Unfortunately with the number of people on the planet, the question is not so much massaman vs yum cha, but rather if you prefer to eat Indians, Chinese, or your own poor.
Keeping this up eventually the only option will be Soylent green in different flavours.
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Where are your women? (Score:2)
You laugh now, but we now have the 2 largest countries in the world with huge imbalances in the male/female ratio due to selective terminations of pregnancies. Are they both going to continue importing women to continue the juggernaut or will they just have generations of frustrated poor men?
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10.4 billion by 2050? (Score:2)
If 2.1 is the replacement fertility rate at which population growth stops, and will be reached by 2050, and the population in 2100 will be 10.4B, then won't it be 10.4B in 2050?
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Then again, it's Slashdot, so poor editing of TFS is definitely an option too.
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Wrong on both counts. It is simply due to the fact that pre-replacement level cohorts necessarily grow to maturity and reproduce over a few decades.
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If 2.1 is the replacement fertility rate at which population growth stops, and will be reached by 2050, and the population in 2100 will be 10.4B, then won't it be 10.4B in 2050?
No, it is demographics 101 that there is a lag between when you reach replacement level, and the time it takes the population born before replacement level to grow to maturity and finish reproduction. This lag is ~30 years.(slightly less, really) India fertility has just dropped to replacement level and its population will stability by 2050 (at about 1.6 billion).
China has a problem (Score:2)
China is already seeing the ramifications of the long term 1 child policy; labor costs in China are already higher than most of its neighbors.
China will always have throw-weight simply due to its size, but it has a serious economic problem for the next 20-40 years when demographics are decreasing and their economic advantage evaporates.
Re:China has a problem India wishes it had (Score:3)
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I mean sure if you want to examine that policy in a vaccum yeah. We also invented personal computers, laptops, cell phones, tablets, the price of these items all dropped by about 90%+. When the one child policy was adopted, the average household did not own a TV. The quality of life for the entire planet improved dramatically, and about 30% of the population globally moved from the country into the city.
Other less developed countries like vietnam (and as they develop, now cambodia) have moved into t
Europeans are of Indian origin too. (Score:1)
It's not long ago we were at 7B, now 8B this year? (Score:4, Informative)
Only 11 years ago we hit 7 billion, now 8 billion this year? I don't care what model you use, it's unsustainable. Choose your favorite sci-fi theme but famine, plague, or war will be the eventuality.
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Europe has peaked, Japan and China have peaked.
Global population peaks in about 30 years then declines for the foreseeable future.
Climate change (Score:1)
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Depending on what you mean by limit population growth. Increasing wealth and education (as well as sex education and contraception availability) reduce population growth. So if you mean that, then yes absolutely. If you mean forcibly preventing people from having children, that is probably not going to work too well.
25% in India are Poor (Score:2)
25% in India are Poor as of today
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