China Accuses US of 'Tens of Thousands' of Cyberattacks (hongkongfp.com) 42
Beijing this week accused the United States of launching "tens of thousands" of cyberattacks on China and pilfering troves of sensitive data, including from a public research university. From a report: Washington has accused Beijing of cyberattacks against US businesses and government agencies, one of the issues over which ties between the two powers have nosedived in recent years. China has consistently denied the claims and in turn lashed out against alleged US cyber espionage, but has rarely made public disclosures of specific attacks. But a report released Monday by its National Computer Virus Emergency Response Center (CVERC) accused the US National Security Agency (NSA) of carrying out "tens of thousands of malicious attacks on network targets in China in recent years." It specifically accused the NSA's Office of Tailored Access Operations (TAO) of infiltrating the Northwestern Polytechnical University in the city of Xi'an.
Good. (Score:4)
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It's not good, it escalates the situation and normalizes cyber attacks during peacetime.
Hacking used to be spycraft and not intended to disrupt hospitals and other critical civilian infrastructure. Often it was industrial espionage. It's now become a branch of the military, and that's not a good thing.
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It's not good, it escalates the situation and normalizes cyber attacks during peacetime.
Hacking used to be spycraft and not intended to disrupt hospitals and other critical civilian infrastructure. Often it was industrial espionage. It's now become a branch of the military, and that's not a good thing.
THEY ALREADY DO THOSE THINGS. You living under a rock? We should sit here and be abused because you think its "bad". Ok! Let's get rid of all the militaries too. You go first. #derp
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Huh (Score:4, Interesting)
The difference between counties is that China actively supports industrial espionage and has state sponsored businesses to promote the theft of IP from Western countries so they can 'catch up'.
The US probably does its fair share of hacking but it's done through secret channels for intelligence purposes.
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The US isn't much better, historically at least. Part of the game, although it can get complicated quickly.
Different, whether better or not (Score:2)
GP said:
> > China actively supports industrial espionage and has state sponsored businesses to promote the theft of IP from Western countries so they can 'catch up'.
> > The US probably does its fair share of hacking but it's done through secret channels for intelligence purposes.
This is true.
aaarrrgggh replied:
> The US isn't much better, historically at least.
"Better" is a subjective word that you can define however you want. You can call the US better or worse or whatever and I won't argue
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By historic, he is probably talking about how US stole IP to become the dominate country in the late 19th/early 20th century. E.g. In his “Report on Manufactures,” Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton recommended rewards for those who brought “improvements and secrets of extraordinary value” to America. Spies were dispatched, agents recruited, funds made available. Samuel Slater, an apprentice in England, stole textile machinery designs and took them to the US, where he be
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Military and political espionage is expected. The biggest complaint about China is state-sponsored industrial espionage for their own civilian industries. It would be like the US gov't funding spying on Baidu to give technology and operations secrets to Google.
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US has done all of that historically as well. How do you think they caught up to UK and Europe in the 19th century?
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Do you know of a recent example?
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Like this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/259... [bbc.co.uk]
It's not like the US is going to announce to everyone if they are giving secrets to companies, especially those that are important for national security, e.g. Boeing.
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The more you promote this claim the further behind you fall.
Look at 5G. It wasn't stolen, Huawei put in the R&D work. That's why they are 2-3 years ahead of everyone else, and why everyone installed their equipment.
Instead of whining that they stole your IP, you need to do the work.
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The main reason the US wanted to stop China on 5G is because we don't want our phones and internet to go dark if China decided to takeover tiawan and China actively conducts espionage and intelligence though thier companies.
In addition to that I have seen Chinese suppliers show me competitors IP, which is unethical at best and contract breaking at worst. At any company I have worked out there's always a fear of sending t
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Obligatory reference: http://bash.org/?104052 [bash.org]
Geee ... (Score:2, Insightful)
China Accuses US of 'Tens of Thousands' of Cyberattacks
Took the Yanks bloody long enough. I wonder what finally made them grow some brass balls? ... Here's hoping the PRC gets a nice big taste of its own medicine administered with a king sized plastic funnel made in Tawian.
pot==kettle (Score:2, Insightful)
China has zero ground to stand on. They've done this unashamedly for decades. Plus, they then use the information for commercial advantage against western companies. It's literal corporate warfare.
The US has (I hope) also done counter-attacks. The difference? The NSA doesn't give it's intelligence to western companies to then use against China (not that they would have any IP we care about anyway—all the good stuff came from our side anyway).
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Be careful linking yesterday's China with today. They have significantly more advanced research than a decade ago. Also the US government has transferred espionage domestic companies from enemies and allies alike where it is strategically useful. It might not be as widespread, but hard to really know.
Re:pot==kettle (Score:4, Funny)
> China has zero ground to stand on.
They actually have quite a lot of ground to stand on. A smidge under 9.6 million square km (3.7 million square miles).
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-1 Literalism
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> China has zero ground to stand on.
They actually have quite a lot of ground to stand on. A smidge under 9.6 million square km (3.7 million square miles).
Ok well they have no Southern Sea to stand on, yet.
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But they're building islands in the South China Sea, so they can pursue their claim that they own it.
Projection (Score:2)
It's projection.
It's always projection.
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We were talking about China, not about American politicians.
Oh wait..
This is standard operating procedure for the CCP. (Score:2)
They invariably accuse their enemies of what they're doing and then faux outrage.
I'm sure there have been 'cyber attacks', I'm also sure the scale of those attacks is heavily one sided towards originating in China towards literally everything western and the US in particular.
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I'm sure there have been 'cyber attacks', I'm also sure the scale of those attacks is heavily one sided towards originating in China towards literally everything western and the US in particular.
Why are you sure of that? Any evidence at all would be welcome. Otherwise, it's nothing more than your opinion.
Here is some evidence that may interest you: https://thesaker.is/ten-years-... [thesaker.is]
If only we had an agreement of some sort! (Score:2)
China and the US previously had an agreement to conduct cyber attacks on each other but China pulled out of that agreement. China's crocodile tears are pathetic.
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China's crocodile tears are pathetic.
Well, let's hope that is reflected in our official response. Part of China's arrogance emerges from deference paid.. We have no reason to show any humility towards them
Only tens of thousands? You are doing it wrong. (Score:2)
I would hope that someone in the USA is probing Chinese computer systems over the internet for intelligence. Seems like a wise thing to do in response to the threats out of China. I'd expect there to be millions of cyber attacks going on. Isn't there some kind of cyber intelligence corps in the US Space Force or US Army? Both?
Know how I know your lying? (Score:1)
TAO hasn't existed for almost a decade. Intelligence fail
How do they count attacks? (Score:2)
Port scan is one attack or multiple? or only a successful attack is counted?
Someone cue the world's smallest... (Score:2)
Someone cue the word's smallest jinghu. Perhaps drag Wang Yifeng in for accompanyment.
I believe it. (Score:1)
fits the model (Score:1)
Maybe China should stop using Chinese... (Score:3)
In related news... (Score:2)
Pot, kettle ... (Score:2)
... NEXT!
LMFAO (Score:2)