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Crypto Exchange Coinbase Asks Users To Switch USDT for USDC (coindesk.com) 46

Coinbase is waiving the conversion fees for users who wish to switch to a "trusted stablecoin" in a new campaign that highlights the quality of reserves that back Circle-owned USD coin (USDC). From a report: "The events of the past few weeks have put some stablecoins to the test and we've seen a flight to safety," Coinbase said in blog post published Friday morning Asia time. "We believe that USD coin (USDC) is a trusted and reputable stablecoin." Coinbase said starting today it's waiving fees for global retail customers to convert tether (USDT) to USDC. Coinbase is a co-founder of USDC. Further reading: Rising Tether Loans Add Risk To Stablecoin, Crypto World.
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Crypto Exchange Coinbase Asks Users To Switch USDT for USDC

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  • First, note that "trusted" means "can do damage to you". What you actually want is "trustworthy". Of course no crapcoin will ever be trustworthy, no matter how much empty promises get heaped on it, including statements of "belief". And second, "stablecoin"? The whole term is a lie all by itself.

  • by Fly Swatter ( 30498 ) on Friday December 09, 2022 @03:56PM (#63117696) Homepage
    Don't trust those shells because 'our shells make for a better game'...
  • How about we settle in cash? You know, "In God we trust, everyone else pays cash?"

  • ...for Racoon Tycoon money! Hell, actual monopoly money might be worth more when this is all through.
    • ...for Racoon Tycoon money! Hell, actual monopoly money might be worth more when this is all through.

      You've been able to buy bundles of real Monopoly money for decades. Just not with crypto. Search for "buy monopoly money" or go visit you local toy store.

  • UDST has been questionable since just about forever, with Tether either refusing to have an audit, or having auditors bail, or having a company say rather curiously that they were not performing an audit, and the suspicion has long been that they were freely printing unbacked currency so they could manipulate markets.

    USDC on the other hand, hires auditors who actually do audits and is fairly transparent in how they operate. So this feels a lot like Coinbase is saying, "We know Roger Ver will be the next SB

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Or Coinbase got such an interesting effect when they tweeted about pulling money out of FTX they decided to see if the same thing would happen twice.

    • It isn't just that. There's warfare going on between exchanges. Binance already effectively nuked FTX by dumping their FTT tokens. Binance also delisted USDC in favor of their own BUSD. There are allegations that certain actors have attempted to knock USDT off its peg, too (and Coinbase's actions may be another salvo in that war, or maybe not). Draw your own conclusions, but it's clear that the crypto world is fragmenting.

  • by hdyoung ( 5182939 ) on Friday December 09, 2022 @04:53PM (#63117832)
    an old-school, old-timey, big-name, bricks-and-mortar auditing firm, it’s a crapcoin. They claim it’s 100% backed by USD and short term securities? Prove it. Shut your mouth. I don’t want to hear your sales pitch. Shut up and prove you’re backed by real dollars and real assets. Your pinky promise isn’t worth annything. And there’s only one way. You hire a real auditor and you OPEN YOUR BOOKS and pass their audit. And not some “internet auditing firm” run by your roomie from freshman year in college before you dropped out. A real, big-name professional financial auditing service. Those auditors have zero tolerance for funny money. They will find ALL your hidden accounts and financial links. They are relentless. And they give no f*&ks about whether you pass or fail. You pay them up front.

    There have been one or two well-publicized cases where the auditors were in the back pocket of the company itself. Those situations are actually VERY rare. However, given the trail of financial dumpster fires that crypto has created, I would only trust it if the mother company passed TWO separate audits.

    And I have zero tolerance for some crypto bro explaining how their monetary system is somehow unable to be traditionally audited because of “defi” or “internet 7.0” or whatever other buzzword they happen to throw out. Cant pass a genuine financial audit? You’re a crapcoin/rugpull/ponzi.
    • an old-school, old-timey, big-name, bricks-and-mortar auditing firm, it’s a crapcoin.

      Well, the USDCoin is audited by just such a firm. It's not one of the Big 4, but I believe Grant Thornton is one of the world's ten largest brick-and-mortar firms.

      There is not much advantage in it for the sponsors of USD Coin, other than some sense of beneficence, because the backing instruments in their case are not providing much return on capital.

  • So... the notion of "trusted stablecoin" is an oxymoron. NONE of these, including USDC are anywhere near properly audited and regulated in the same vein as traditional financial institutions.

    For an example, see the difference between audits and attestations. [imgur.com]

    So why the switch? Probably plausible deniability. USDT is more over-extended than USDC in the market right now. Coinbase figures more exchanges are going to collapse and if they insulate themselves from USDT they can claim they're "separate" until t

  • While stablecoins may seem appealing to those who are wary of the volatility of cryptocurrencies, they are actually a scam and Bitcoin is a better option.

    Stablecoins are not truly stable. While they may be pegged to a stable asset, the value of that asset can still fluctuate, which means that the value of the stablecoin can also fluctuate. This defeats the whole purpose of using a stablecoin, as it offers no real stability or protection against volatility. In fact, many stablecoins have failed to maintai
    • The two stablecoins in question - USDT and USDC - are currently pegged at $1.00. The FTX disaster temporarily knocked USDT down to $.93 (for whatever reason; FTX isn't the issuing exchange. That is Bitfinex) but it has since recovered.

      As an investment they're pretty bad except as a safehaven during bear markets. Anyone who liquidated their position in BTC 12+ months ago for USDT would be in a much better position than someone still holding BTC today.

  • by awwshit ( 6214476 ) on Friday December 09, 2022 @05:53PM (#63117974)

    What is crypto worth when the power is off?

    • About as much as your chip & pin debit card.

      • I could still physically break into the bank and take my cash, and its value would go up.

      • Actually no, because it's possible to perform an offline blockchain transaction and then just broadcast it later to the network when you're back online.

        This is similar to how you used to be able to take a card imprint when the network was down. Which you still technically can, I suppose, but then it's not actually chip and pin.

  • Is this from the same coinbase that created a "shiny new token" to avoid having to pay back people that believed them on ethereum a while ago?

    Yeah. Such nice guys.

  • It will be interesting how far all of this spreads.

  • by msauve ( 701917 ) on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:46PM (#63118432)
    Tell me if I'm wrong. Stable coins are supposedly linked to fiat currencies, in this case USD. You need to pay some transaction fee to use them, and you're trusting their claims are true.

    I can go to any local business and pay in cash. If I asked them if they'd take stablecoin X, they'd say "get the fuck out of here."

    Why would anyone hold stablecoins instead of the currency they're linked to, kept under a mattress? Is it a death wish sort of thing?
    • Tell me if I'm wrong. Stable coins are supposedly linked to fiat currencies, in this case USD. You need to pay some transaction fee to use them, and you're trusting their claims are true.

      I can go to any local business and pay in cash. If I asked them if they'd take stablecoin X, they'd say "get the fuck out of here."

      Why would anyone hold stablecoins instead of the currency they're linked to, kept under a mattress? Is it a death wish sort of thing?

      Why would an individual "invest" in a currency at all? If they were planning in spending a ton of it in the future and think the exchange rates could only get worse I guess? Don't think too hard about it. Everything with crypto is so many levels of stupid, and by asking these questions, you are not the target market.

    • Why would anyone hold stablecoins instead of the currency they're linked to, kept under a mattress? Is it a death wish sort of thing?

      A big reason for stablecoins to exist is that they help avoid the need for numerous conversions between dollars and tokens. Instead, those transactions become token-for-token, which involves lower transaction fees. It also keeps the transactions entirely within blockchain systems for easier coding, and (somewhat) more predictable outcomes.

      I say "predictable" but of course the risk of disaster, especially for Tether, seems high to me.

      This week there was a pretty good opinion piece in The Economist about th

    • How is this question on every stablecoin thread?

      Stablecoins are used exactly how a rational human without their head up in the sand would think they are used. To instantly purchase or send money digitally anywhere in the world. Most speculators use it when buying/selling crypto assets, but it easily can (and is) be used as a digital money transfer service like western union/paypal/zelle/cashapp/whatever

      • by msauve ( 701917 )
        LOL. Cryptonites talk about advantages over fiat currencies, but what do they consider stable and peg stablecoins to? USD, a fiat currency. Sounds like you've never heard of a bank check (or EFT if you're in a hurry).
    • > Why would anyone hold stablecoins instead of the currency they're linked to, kept under a mattress?

      You can't trade those on a DEX and there are fees in an out.

      It's about trading pair liquidity in an immature market really.

      An inactive trader should not hold that risk of course especially in Tether.

      Coimbase knows about upcoming carnage (hint hint).

    • Mostly it's used to workaround money transfer rules that make it onerous to send dollars.

      There's a disconnect in the utility of USD and cryptocurrencies. USD is slow and secure for the sender. Cryptocurrency is fast and secure for the recipient. If you try to trade them, you run into all sorts of issues around trusted parties and such.

      USDC and similar stablecoins are cryptocurrencies, so they don't have the drawbacks of the dollar when exchanging them for cryptocurrency. So lots of the USD on exchanges gets

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