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'Dow Said it Recycled Our Shoes - But Instead They Went to an Indonesian Flea Market' (reuters.com) 152

Reuters reports that U.S. petrochemicals giant Dow and the Singapore government "said they were transforming old sneakers into playgrounds and running tracks.

"Reuters put that promise to the test by planting hidden trackers inside 11 pairs of donated shoes. Most got exported instead." At a rundown market on the Indonesian island of Batam, a small location tracker was beeping from the back of a crumbling second-hand shoe store. A Reuters reporter followed the high-pitched ping to a mound of old sneakers and began digging through the pile.

There they were: a pair of blue Nike running shoes with a tracking device hidden in one of the soles.

These familiar shoes had traveled by land, then sea and crossed an international border to end up in this heap. They weren't supposed to be here.

Five months earlier, in July 2022, Reuters had given the shoes to a recycling program spearheaded by the Singapore government and U.S. petrochemicals giant Dow Inc. In media releases and a promotional video posted online, that effort promised to harvest the rubberized soles and midsoles of donated shoes, then grind down the material for use in building new playgrounds and running tracks in Singapore....

None of the 11 pairs of footwear donated by Reuters were turned into exercise paths or kids' parks in Singapore.

Instead, nearly all the tagged shoes ended up in the hands of Yok Impex Pte Ltd, a Singaporean second-hand goods exporter, according to the trackers and that exporter's logistics manager. The manager said his firm had been hired by a waste management company involved in the recycling program to retrieve shoes from the donation bins for delivery to that company's local warehouse.

But that's not what happened to the shoes donated by Reuters. Ten pairs moved first from the donation bins to the exporter's facility, then on to neighboring Indonesia, in some cases traveling hundreds of miles to different corners of the vast archipelago, the location trackers showed....

The findings come as environmental groups say chemical companies like Dow are making exaggerated or false claims about recycling in order to burnish their green credentials, and to undermine proposed regulations to rein in the soaring production of plastics used in single-use packaging and fast fashion.

Dow says it will remove Yok Impex from its project next week, according to the article. But it also adds that Dow "did not explain why a used-clothing exporter had been involved" in its recycling program," and Dow and its partners "did not explain what procedures were in place to ensure that donated shoes weren't exported, diverted for resale or pilfered from bins."

Dharmesh Shah, a policy advisor for a nonprofit working on waste pollution, tells Reuters that when vendors ultimately receive the non-recycled shoes, "a very small percentage is actually reusable. It just gets burned in open dumps or goes into rivers or in landfills."
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'Dow Said it Recycled Our Shoes - But Instead They Went to an Indonesian Flea Market'

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  • by r1348 ( 2567295 ) on Sunday February 26, 2023 @05:49AM (#63323868)

    I'm not really shilling for an oil company here, but reuse is always a greener option than recycling, they did the right thing here.
    Why destroy a perfectly functional pair of shoes?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Lonewolf666 ( 259450 )

      I agree on the greener option, but it still makes Dow a bunch of liars. Enough of these little incidents add up to the point where distrust of corporations in general is deserved.
      Exaggerate that a bit and you get an important ingredient of most cyberpunk novels ;-)

      • by kenh ( 9056 )

        I fail to see how grinding usable shoes into playground ground cover is "greener" than extending the useful lives of the shoes? After the next owner is done with them, they can still be ground up into playground ground cover.

        If not for this donation program, what would the owners have done with their old shoes? Most likely tossed them into a landfill.

        The program co-sponsored by Dow is a bit silly, why ship used shoes across the Pacific Ocean? Don't they have used shoes in Singapore? Can't we grind up our ow

      • i donâ(TM)t think they are liars, itâ(TM)s completely reasonable for someone to take out shoes prematurely thrown out for reuse. They seem to have just taken new shoes and soaked some mud on them and put them in for recyclingâ¦.
      • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

        Enough of these little incidents add up to the point where distrust of corporations in general is deserved.

        Conservatives would say the same thing about government.

        There is exactly one workable solution, the diffusion of power. We need to both end cooperative federalism and move to more pure federalism and we need to do away with the legal liability shields that enable corporations to become large.

    • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

      2nd that. Seems silly to complain that a better form of recycling is being used.

      • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

        by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday February 26, 2023 @06:13AM (#63323892)
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        • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

          It's lying but it's like giving money to charity instead of burning it, the mitigating factor is over-looked.

          • But they give the money to charity or pocket them?

          • No that's not what's happening. Those shoes should have been landfilled here in the US which is environmentally lousy but not appalling. Instead, they send the entire lot to another country to be disposed of in an environmentally catastrophic way. That a few pairs are picked out and resold is really irrelevant and not a mitigating factor.
          • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

            There are no "mitigating factors" being overlooked. They lie to people to solicit donations, then slap a price tag on donated items and resell for profit. It's precisely the OPPOSITE of "giving money to charity instead of burning it", it is taking money from a charity and spending it, and worse, spending it without regard to environmental damage.

        • A better form of recycling *isn't* being used. Because for each pair of shoes that gets resold, there are a hundred that get disposed of in ways that wouldn't be legal here in the US. And the entire population of another country gets poisoned.
        • It is likely not Dow that was lying but the recycler they hired.

          There are plenty of stories about people buying a used computer that was supposed to have the data drives destroyed by the recycler, instead it ends up on eBay still controlled by some company MDM, either completely unusable but in some cases people have been able to access and recover data.

          • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

            "It is likely not Dow that was lying but the recycler they hired."

            Sure, because large corporations know how to commit fraud and avoid consequences.

        • Except that reusing something is considered a subset of recycling.

          If you were told that a bottle is being recycled and found out that it is being cleaned and reused as-is, wouldn't you consider that a perfect form of recycling it? After all, you are using 100% of the components of the bottle with minimal energy added to the system to clean it, versus the much higher energy to melt the bottle and reform it.

          • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

            Recycling in general is a very advertised word, but very bad for the environment compared to alternatives. It's only better than land filling (and in some cases burning). In general, the chain of "environmentally friendly applications" goes like this:

            First reuse. If you can't reuse, repair then reuse. If you can't reuse and can't repair, then recycle or burn (depending on product set). If you can't reuse, repair or recycle/burn, landfill.

            Recycling is just one small subset of environmentally friendly product

      • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

        It's not, and it still deprives the advertised charity. It's the George Santos charity for kid's playgrounds. Seems silly to complain that the puppies got a better home, right?

      • by N1AK ( 864906 )
        We don't know a better form of recycling is being used. The shoes end up in piles at flea markets which isn't the same thing as actually get re-used. A decent proportion of clothing at flea markets never sells and when an Indonesian flea market doesn't sell some shoes they aren't being recycled they're getting dumped or burned.
    • Capone was nailed for tax evasion. We can't put trackers in everything Dow does. They said they'll recycle the shoes into running tracks and playgrounds. If they lie about this, an issue where the truth is relatively easily found out and there isn't really a reason not to tell the truth, they are not trustworthy at all.

    • by dohzer ( 867770 )

      I hope Reuters used at least a few shoes that weren't reusable (e.g. huge holes in the sole, etc), to check whether they are recycling correctly.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by noodler ( 724788 )

      The whole recycling idea was bullshit from the start. It takes much more energy to sort the donated sneakers and then to separate and grind up the usable parts of the shoes than just starting with fresh rubber that hasn't been turned into a product before.
      In other words, it was greenwashing from the get go.
      It's outright nefarious on the dow side of the equation and pure stupidity and personal greenwashing on the side of the donors.
      And this is pretty much the sorry state of humanity right now.

    • I'm not really shilling for an oil company here, but reuse is always a greener option than recycling, they did the right thing here.
      Why destroy a perfectly functional pair of shoes?

      From the summary: when vendors ultimately receive the non-recycled shoes, "a very small percentage is actually reusable. It just gets burned in open dumps or goes into rivers or in landfills."

      PS: If the shoes are "perfectly functional" then maybe the first world consumer should still be wearing them.

    • I'm not really shilling for an oil company here, but reuse is always a greener option than recycling, they did the right thing here.
      Why destroy a perfectly functional pair of shoes?

      You're right and also not seeing the full picture. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle in that order. However these weren't reused yet, so you cannot call this a success. A large portion of second hand cloths gets donated, sits on a shelf for months before ultimately being discarded. The 3rd world is absolutely awash, drowning in our left over crap and the overwhelming majority of it ends unworn on a scrap heap.

      Recycling programs are abysmal, and few companies and countries do it well (sometimes companies only do it wel

      • by pz ( 113803 )

        You're right and also not seeing the full picture. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle in that order.

        This is the Nth time I've posted this idea: the order is not correct. It should be Reuse, Reduce, Recycle, in that order. Reusing something just once reduces your consumption of that resource by 50%. That simple act has a far, far greater result-for-effort-expended than the other two parts of the mantra. It is, as we have seen historically with the 1974 oil crisis, not possible to reduce consumption very far even with massive, government-level effort. Recycling, is not very effective, with rare excepti

        • by flink ( 18449 )

          Not consuming something in the the first place saves 100%. If you can find an alternative to using a plastic cup for an application you reduce that potential plastic use by 100%. If you use the plastic cup and then reuse it, you save 50% as you say. If you recycle it, it's maybe 0-20%, depending on where you are, they type of plastic, and the recycling facilities available.

          That's why reduce is first. It is the most reliable way to cut down pollution and consumption of non-renewables. There are many pla

        • Reusing something just once reduces your consumption of that resource by 50%.

          Not using something reduces your consumption by 100%. So the order is correct as I posted it.

    • There's no reason to destroy a perfectly functional pair of shoes and I haven't seen anything arguing in favor of that.

      The status quo for bins of used shoes is that the few that are still functional are resold in poor places. The rest are disposed of in an environmentally catastrophic way.

      If the good ones were selected and donated and the rest disposed of properly, there wouldn't be any problem here. Instead, the entire lot is exported to a poor place, the few useful things are resold, and the rest ar

    • Reuters won't even stick up for their reporters who got gunned down by a US Army helicopter.

      That they are shaming a recycling company for prioritizing reuse is totally fine if they get "a scoop". GOTCHA, DOW!

      Buncha low-brow morons who are happy to destroy a recycling company to feel smug.

      What assholes.

    • I'm not really shilling for an oil company here, but reuse is always a greener option than recycling, they did the right thing here. Why destroy a perfectly functional pair of shoes?

      Tell me what Dow is claiming in business deductions and tax writeoffs by engaging in Green "recycling" programs first. Then I'll try and grasp your weak-ass logic here.

    • I'm not really shilling for an oil company here, but reuse is always a greener option than recycling, they did the right thing here. Why destroy a perfectly functional pair of shoes?

      Publicity.

      Yes, re-use is good. But it isn't as media ready and happy happy as "We're thinking of the children!" and showing happy happy little ones cheeks aglow and dressed like proper children should be and livin' their best life, in the playground.

      Whereas showing some poor impoverished kid getting a pair of used sneakers? People might get that confused with a Save the Children foundation commercial. Nowhere near as happy happy.

    • by I75BJC ( 4590021 )
      I thought the same thing.
      It is amazing that it's cheaper to repurpose used shoes in another country than to recycle these shoes but I have (literally) seen a similar thing happen with USA clothing being donated to charities that end up being sold at a market town in Africa.
      Business as usual.
    • by v1 ( 525388 )

      That was my first reaction as well. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. You're SUPPOSED to try to reuse before you recycle.

      Companies being companies, i'd imagine a bean-counter somewhere decided this was a slightly more profitable way to go, but still, whether or not they had the right reason, they did the right thing.

      Also, if they would have publicly said "Hey, when you turn in your shoes to us to take care of, you can either select to grind them up to make a bike path, OR you can select to ship them overseas to get

    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      It's not just greener, it's far greener.

      Remember, the order is: Reuse, Repair, Recycle. Depending on product, it can be from several times worse going down a single step to easily ten times.

      They did something much better than they promised, then faux green clueless reporters decided that they're going to shame them for it. They should do much worse for the planet. Because fuck the planet, we have rage clicks from ignorant morons to farm.

    • From the SUMMARY: "Dharmesh Shah, a policy advisor for a nonprofit working on waste pollution, tells Reuters that when vendors ultimately receive the non-recycled shoes, "a very small percentage is actually reusable. It just gets burned in open dumps or goes into rivers or in landfills.""

      A few pairs making it to be reused instead of burned or dumped in a river is pretty bad, and it's insane greenwashing either way.

      The problem, as other people point out, is the fraud. The government fails to make laws that p

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      I suspect that re-use is being demonized.

      In a different market (surplus mechanical/electrical equipment) most of the "Pick-n-pull" shops selling used gear have been shut down by manufacturers. They walk in, offer the store owner a check for everything (no holding back the valuable stuff). They close the store and send everything to the metal grinder.

      We can't have people building up control panels with used IP66 indicator lamps they picked up for $5 each when McMaster-Carr sells them for $150 a piece.

    • by dbialac ( 320955 )
      And not only that, this is recycling, just not in the way that some thought it would be recycled.
  • That IS recycled. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by zenlessyank ( 748553 ) on Sunday February 26, 2023 @05:56AM (#63323874)

    What the fuck.

    • No, it's "reused" technically. But more specifically it is "unused" currently in a state only marginally better than being on a landfill. A large portion of cloths end up in a recycling wearhouse, get transferred to some second hand store shelf, and then a very significant portion of it ends up on a refuse pile after 6 months.

    • The shoes go to "resellers" but that doesn't mean they get resold. Only a portion of donated shoes are suitable for resale, and only a portion of those actually sell. The majority of these shoes end up incinerated or in landfills.

      DW did a documentary on it recently, but YouTube's search is so shitty I can't readily find it. In the clothes they tracked, most of them ended up dumped in illegal landfills in eastern Europe by organized crime.

    • by EvilSS ( 557649 )
      Couldn't even make it to the last sentence of the summary eh? I know there is an adderall shortage and all but damn, it's like a 1 minute read.
  • by srussia ( 884021 ) on Sunday February 26, 2023 @06:39AM (#63323912)
    They just meet their maker!
  • Recycling is a fine idea but it has a curious side effect amongst many middle class folk -the act is used as a justification for doing lots of bad environmental stuff, like taking business or pleasure flights, or driving gas guzzlers. There is no amount of household recycling that balances out their flying habits and I don't even bother mentioning it to friends that use this logic
    • Recycling is a fine idea but it has a curious side effect amongst many middle class folk -the act is used as a justification for doing lots of bad environmental stuff, like taking business or pleasure flights, or driving gas guzzlers.

      Sorta like when the well-to-do buy carbon offsets from people living in poor countries so they can continue to jet around everywhere while pretending that they're being environmentally responsible.

  • Im pretty sure it would have been more enviormentally friendly to puor gazoline on them and light them on fire. The carbon footprint from that would prob have been less.
  • by redback ( 15527 ) on Sunday February 26, 2023 @08:38AM (#63324072)

    Y'all are mad that they recycled them into shoes.

  • OK show us the shoes you donated for recycling. My guess is you donated 10 pair of barely used shoes instead of really worn out shoes. Who in their right mind would turn a great pair of shoes into a ground up rubber mat? Repair, reuse, repurpose is far better than recycle. Recycling costs the most energy and gets the least benefit. They should be applauding Dow and Singapore resellers for doing the right thing. Maybe Dow emphasised the wrong part of the process for un-reuseable shoes grinding and using in r
    • OK show us the shoes you donated for recycling. My guess is you donated 10 pair of barely used shoes instead of really worn out shoes. Who in their right mind would turn a great pair of shoes into a ground up rubber mat? Repair, reuse, repurpose is far better than recycle. Recycling costs the most energy and gets the least benefit. They should be applauding Dow and Singapore resellers for doing the right thing. Maybe Dow emphasised the wrong part of the process for un-reuseable shoes grinding and using in rubber mats. Instead of boasting about repair, reuse and repurpose which they should boast about.

      Totally agree. These shoes were good enough to be resold and reused by someone who needed them. They can always be ground up when they really reach the end of their useful life.

  • But ... but ... it feels so good to pretend that we are recycling!
  • "Dow says it will remove Yok Impex from its project next week, according to the article. But it also adds that Dow "did not explain why a used-clothing exporter had been involved" in its recycling program," and Dow and its partners "did not explain what procedures were in place to ensure that donated shoes weren't exported, diverted for resale or pilfered from bins."

    If Dow doesn't want to give an honest answer, then perhaps start asking Common F. Sense.

    Catch a company red handed and THAT is the best you can do? Ask the fucking criminal if they've committed a crime instead of using the evidence? Seriously?

    Make then donate (from Executive bonus coffers) ten times what they (allegedly) committed to with "recycling" programs and the benefits they claim in business deductions and tax write offs. Until Greed starts paying for the corruption, it will grow bigger and bigger

    • "Dow says it will remove Yok Impex from its project next week, according to the article. But it also adds that Dow "did not explain why a used-clothing exporter had been involved" in its recycling program," and Dow and its partners "did not explain what procedures were in place to ensure that donated shoes weren't exported, diverted for resale or pilfered from bins."

      If Dow doesn't want to give an honest answer, then perhaps start asking Common F. Sense.

      Catch a company red handed and THAT is the best you can do? Ask the fucking criminal if they've committed a crime instead of using the evidence? Seriously?

      Make then donate (from Executive bonus coffers) ten times what they (allegedly) committed to with "recycling" programs and the benefits they claim in business deductions and tax write offs. Until Greed starts paying for the corruption, it will grow bigger and bigger. I'm not sure how people don't see that when you reward this behavior by ignoring it. Writing articles about it isn't the "eye-opener". Doing something about it, is. Recycling is turning into a bigger scam than climate change ever could.

      So the shoes in good shape were made available for sale to people who need them. What's the problem?
      Re-use is much more environmental than recycling.

  • Low developed countries getting access to more decent incineration plants would do more for their plastic problems than all the recycling plans put together.

    It doesn't have to be worth much for it to be worth their time to sort it for electricity generation, why burn it in an open pit if you can get some money for it?

  • I'm not seeing what the problem is here. Maybe all the sneakers they put trackers in were in good enough condition to resell. What's wrong with that? Isn't it better to utilize the rest of their useful life than to grind them down?

    Just because better-off people no longer want the, doesn't mean their useful life is over. Resell them cheap to someone who needs them. To me this is the program working BETTER than advertised, not worse.

  • A large, multinational corporation LYING to the public so that they can continue to deliver increased value to their shareholders? I'M SHOCKED, I tell ya

  • by renegade600 ( 204461 ) on Sunday February 26, 2023 @04:44PM (#63324918)

    Maybe the shoes were not going where they said they would, but they were being recycled. I see nothing wrong with reusing them if they are still in good shape.

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