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Lindsey Graham and Elizabeth Warren: When It Comes To Big Tech, Enough Is Enough 142

Lindsey Graham and Elizabeth Warren, writing at The New York Times: Enough is enough. It's time to rein in Big Tech. And we can't do it with a law that only nibbles around the edges of the problem. Piecemeal efforts to stop abusive and dangerous practices have failed. Congress is too slow, it lacks the tech expertise, and the army of Big Tech lobbyists can pick off individual efforts easier than shooting fish in a barrel. Meaningful change -- the change worth engaging every member of Congress to fight for -- is structural.

For more than a century, Congress has established regulatory agencies to preserve innovation while minimizing harm presented by emerging industries. In 1887 the Interstate Commerce Commission took on railroads. In 1914 the Federal Trade Commission took on unfair methods of competition and later unfair and deceptive acts and practices. In 1934 the Federal Communications Commission took on radio (and then television). In 1975 the Nuclear Regulatory Commission took on nuclear power, and in 1977 the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission took on electric generation and transmission. We need a nimble, adaptable, new agency with expertise, resources and authority to do the same for Big Tech.

Our Digital Consumer Protection Commission Act would create an independent, bipartisan regulator charged with licensing and policing the nation's biggest tech companies -- like Meta, Google and Amazon -- to prevent online harm, promote free speech and competition, guard Americans' privacy and protect national security. The new watchdog would focus on the unique threats posed by tech giants while strengthening the tools available to the federal agencies and state attorneys general who have authority to regulate Big Tech.

Our legislation would guarantee common-sense safeguards for everyone who uses tech platforms. Families would have the right to protect their children from sexual exploitation, cyberbullying and deadly drugs. Certain digital platforms have promoted the sexual abuse and exploitation of children, suicidal ideation and eating disorders or done precious little to combat these evils; our bill would require Big Tech to mitigate such harms and allow families to seek redress if they do not.
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Lindsey Graham and Elizabeth Warren: When It Comes To Big Tech, Enough Is Enough

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  • Not a chance (Score:2, Flamebait)

    by hdyoung ( 5182939 )
    This will pass, and if congress lost it’s mind and passed it, the Supreme Court would knock it down after approximately 3 seconds of consideration.

    Setting aside actual free speech considerations, it’s DOA politically. Warren might actually be serious about this, but this is completely, 100% antithetical to Graham’s party. Any legislation that tries to control harmful content is going to sweep up the entire ecosystem of election denial and conspiracy theories that drives roughly half of
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      This will pass, and if congress lost itâ(TM)s mind and passed it, the Supreme Court would knock it down after approximately 3 seconds of consideration.

      Explain how, other than folks such as Thomas and Kavanaugh who got their degrees from a diploma mill not understanding the Constitution. Because if you read the Constitution and understand what it says, Congress is empowered:

      To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

      • by Junta ( 36770 )

        His claim is that it would run afoul of first amendment, which could be said of the FCC restrictions on various speech which has stood.

        Of course, even assuming that there would be first amendment issues, that doesn't preclude the existence of a regulatory agency, it would just potentially restrict attempted rules/enforcement when such problematic measures come into place. So there's nothing fundamentally unconstitutional about such an agency in and of itself.

        • Incitement to violence, racial & gender hatred, etc. (in the literal sense) is still against the law in most places. In the USA, I don't know. Surely, stopping people from starting fights, lynchings, angry mobs, etc., is a case for telling someone to STFU?
          • In the US, incitement to violence is definitely illegal, but the bar is EXTREMELY HIGH. If you’re actually holding a lit torch and a gun, and yelling at a crowd to perform an act of violence, you MIGHT get convicted of incitement. Planning and executing a direct attack on the US capital is enough to earn you a few years in prison, tops. And there’s almost no limit on racial and gender hatred. When was the last time you checked out the internet?

            I fully support free speech in my country, but
            • Re:Not a chance (Score:5, Insightful)

              by iAmWaySmarterThanYou ( 10095012 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @12:57PM (#63718552)

              You want it illegal to hate a gender or race?

              Should we arrest the feminists who are publicly anti-male?
              Should we arrest black comedians who make fun of white people?

              Oh wait, no, that's not who you meant. You meant people you don't like.

              The problem with making speech a crime is it always gets used to club people "we" don't like and eventually that list of people "we" don't like will include you.

              I much prefer the racists and others are very public about who they are so we can point and laugh and isolate them from society rather than they lurk around in the dark actually doing things. Let them out themselves, rant, bark at the moon.

              • In reply, you wrote:

                You want it illegal to hate a gender or race?

                What you apparently missed in the post you are replying to (emphasis added):

                I fully support free speech in my country, but hooooo boy does it lead us down some dark paths. I wouldn’t change it, though.

                Try getting all the way to the end of his 7 sentence post next time, sport.

            • ...actually holding... a gun,

              That part alone will get you a lengthy prison sentence around here.

        • there's nothing fundamentally unconstitutional about such an agency in and of itself.

          It could be framed as a business regulating agency. For example, it might establish punishment to corporations whose business practices can be causally linked with increases in social unrest and violence by removing section 230 and substituting a regulatory agency for it that could then tweak and fine-tune how much social-media businesses are or aren't responsible for their user's speech depending on how they structure their algorithms etc.

          The free speech of all persons, including corporate persons, would b

          • Re: Not a chance (Score:4, Insightful)

            by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Thursday July 27, 2023 @10:51AM (#63718168) Homepage Journal

            "The free speech of all persons, including corporate persons, would be fully preserved."

            That's nonsense. You're talking about planning additional restrictions on speech and some people's free speech is already being interfered with. How would that not lead to more of that?

            • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

              by alexgieg ( 948359 )

              You're talking about planning additional restrictions on speech and some people's free speech is already being interfered with. How would that not lead to more of that?

              A right to free speech isn't the same as a right to be free of consequences for your speech. If you induce someone to kill another via speech, you're guilty of that inducement. If you start screaming there's a fire in a crowded theater, you're guilty of trying to cause a stampede, and if that stampede happens and someone's killed under the others running in panic, you're guilty of that death, and will be criminally prosecuted for both things. Such limits exist in US and most countries laws and aren't seen a

      • "Diploma mill" (Score:5, Insightful)

        by DeplorableCodeMonkey ( 4828467 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @08:42AM (#63717868)

        Explain how, other than folks such as Thomas and Kavanaugh who got their degrees from a diploma mill

        Thomas got his degree from Yale.

        Yale is the top law school in the United States.

        Cry harder.

        • Re:"Diploma mill" (Score:4, Informative)

          by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @09:04AM (#63717922)

          "Thomas got his degree from Yale."

          As did Kavanaugh, as a matter of fact. Both undergraduate and law degree.

        • and if we're going to have left wing trolls I wish they'd at least try a little harder, so let me chime in.

          Being good at studying doesn't make you good at your job. How many times have you had a completely idiotic doctor blow you off or just sit there reading you the same things you could've found on google and charge your $300 bucks for the privilege?

          Getting invited to Yale when you're not a legacy means the 1% think you're going to be useful to them. And Thomas & Kavanaugh have both been *very
        • Yale is the top law school in the United States.

          McDonalds is the top hamburger maker on the planet. No one would say their hamburgers are good.

          Besides, how good a school can Yale be if their people don't understand even the basics of the Constitution?
        • Thomas got his degree from Yale.

          Yale is the top law school in the United States.

          Cry harder.

          Thomas was accepted to Yale because of affirmative action. We all know the jokes about affirmative action hires.

          A 1991 New York Times article about Thomas reported how Yale University officials said Thomas was admitted to its law school "under an explicit affirmative action plan with the goal of having blacks and other minority members make up about 10 percent of the entering class."

          https://www.newsweek.com/fact-... [newsweek.com]

          • Thomas was accepted to Yale because of affirmative action. We all know the jokes about affirmative action hires.

            Did he drop out? Fail his classes? Underperform?

            By all accounts I’ve seen he did just fine there and was favorably compared to other students, so how he got into Yale is immaterial to the discussion at hand, given that he proved he was as capable as his peers.

            He had a great opportunity presented to him (and he disputes the characterization that he wouldn’t have been admitted if not for affirmative action) and he made the best of it. That’s commendable, not a knock against him. But if you w

      • GAWD, you are that stupid.

        Which justices got their degrees from 'diploma mills'? None*. Harvard, Yale, Notre Dame.

        * Some consider Harvard and Yale to have devolved into 'diploma mills'. That's a different problem, eh?

    • Re:Not a chance (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Junta ( 36770 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @08:31AM (#63717842)

      They cited FCC, which does in fact get to control the speech of broadcasters. So they have precedent to cite.

      It's also not antithetical to the GOP, the GOP would love to exert more regulation over the big tech, big tech pisses them off a lot. Toward the conspiracy theories bolstering some GOP folks, those already are getting cracked down on, so that isn't at huge risk of being more cracked down on. On the flipside, they may intervene and penalize a social network for appearance of minimizing conservative views, so it's a net win for them to gain more ability to exert control over the social networks.

      So I could see how this could get going, and how each side can find reason to want this to go. They will disagree on the details to be sure, but the broad concept appeals for different reasons to both major parties.

      • by Bruce66423 ( 1678196 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @08:40AM (#63717860)

        There was a shortage of bandwidth for broadcasters, so there was a justification for licencing access to the airwaves. By contrast there is no such constraint on the internet.

        • by Junta ( 36770 )

          The licensing access to airwaves is one thing, but FCC also governs obscenity, profanity, indecency, hoaxes, and more, per https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/... [fcc.gov]

          On the page specifically about obscenity:
          "Because obscenity is not protected by the First Amendment, it is prohibited on cable, satellite and broadcast TV and radio. However, the same rules for indecency and profanity do not apply to cable, satellite TV and satellite radio because they are subscription services."

          None of this pertains to the scarcity of

        • by kd3bj ( 733314 )

          There WAS a an "apparent" shortage of bandwidth in the early days of radio because radios were relatively simple devices compared to what's possible today. Monopolies captured the regulation to enshrine their old technology into law. Today with Cellular, CDM, MIMO, etc... there's plenty of bandwidth -- if bandwidth still even means anything. So why does the FCC still auction bandwidth like it is still 1934? What's the justification for licensing an abstract thing called "frequency"? What's so special about

          • by MobyDisk ( 75490 )

            So why does the FCC still auction bandwidth...What's the justification for licensing an abstract thing called "frequency"?

            Because devices can only share a frequency if they use compatible modulations and power levels. We can't send FM and AM over the same frequencies because they will interfere with each other. 802.11 is also incompatible with AM and FM radio. Also, this isn't an FCC thing - this is done internationally by the ITU. The FCC is just the US branch of it. In the UK it is Ofcom, France it is the ANFR, Russia it's the Roskomnadzor, etc. This isn't just an "apparent" shortage, it's a real physical limitation.

    • Have you thought that both political parties may feel somewhat beholden to big tech & the influence they wield? Maybe they've decided it's time to reign that power in & take back some control for themselves. You know, so that social media companies don't make obscene profits out of promoting people who can stir up the masses & tear away at the very fabric of society & then offer to "moderate" it?
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by nevermindme ( 912672 )
      Grahams party has been hurt the most by the social media companies. Contrary to public view Senators work together on a large number of issues and only get pissy when the cameras are on for the circus performance. Your conspiracy stories of 2020 are my factual in 2023 (lab leak, biden ukraine, biden inflence peddeling, vaxs dont work, masks dont work, CDC back channel money, media lean in) the only reason it took three years to get to the truth was the social media companies and their little brothers i
    • You still think there is consistency to the ideology of the Republican party. That's precious.

      Republicans will vote for this, because it allows them to stick it to Meta and Google. They aren't concerned with the constitutional arguments anymore, because those are all trumped by grievance politics. Just like with literally every other vote they have taken since 2020.

  • Just 'Big Tech'? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @08:22AM (#63717820)

    I can understand how the tech sector is taking the brunt of the blame for abusing citizens. But in reality, this abuse goes much farther back than the advent of tech-sector dominance.

    The fundamental problem is limited-liability corporations whose C-level wonks can't be put in jail for corporate misbehaviour, and whose shareholders can't be sued for a corporation's actions. In short, our implementation of Capitalism is deeply flawed. Big Tech merely represents the latest manifestation of those flaws, and the tech sector's abuses are perhaps more readily apparent because they effect the social and psychological fabric of society more obviously and directly.

    Big Oil knew about carbon-driven climate change in the 50's, and had models accurately predicting temperature rise and consequences by the 60's. They spent the subsequent decades denying, gaslighting, and lying in order to further their economic interests. Arguably, their actions are much worse for mankind's future than those of Big Tech; at a minimum, they are no less bad.

    Our biggest problems are caused by corporations having too much power, and by an economic system that in many ways rewards inefficiency, waste, and abusive practices. This applies across the board - it's unfair, counterproductive, and naive to single out the tech sector. It's the entire corporate sector that must be brought to heel.

    • One of the benefits of the present system is that it allows capital to be applied to areas needing a lot of investment has.

      Blaming C level wonks is problematic. Clearly if the company does something wrong and the C level people know about it, it is right to punish them severely; the fact that the US only got one VW executive for the emissions tampering scandal is a big disappointment. But unless there is clear evidence of their knowingly breaking of the law, then they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

      What's

      • by cowdung ( 702933 )

        Your point about clear rules is a good one.

        As for limited liability that is supposed to be for when the system becomes insolvent, not so that C-level executives get away with crimes. In fact, limited liability doesn't cover crimes like fraud. However there are still very shady things shareholders do such as giving a startup a loan and them getting preference when getting paid back over the employees and contractors. I think that law needs to be changed.

        Too many things shield shareholders. They can get away

    • The right wing wants to attack Big tech because they don't have complete control over them and that upsets them. The left wing wants to regulate them like any other monopoly that keeps buying up their competitors. The centrists would like to do something about the misinformation that keeps getting people killed (the latest one on Tik Tok are people talking about the miracle cure that is drinking Borax).

      So it's something that brings everyone together for one reason or another.
  • KISS (Score:5, Interesting)

    by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @08:24AM (#63717822) Homepage

    Keep it simple. Nearly all of the problems mentioned would be solved with one, simple law: Limit the size of companies. This needs two parts:

    1. Any company over size X cannot participate in M&A. No buying up the competition.

    2. Any company over size 10 * X must divest, i.e., must split into smaller companies.

    Capitalism is the best economic system that humans have ever developed. However, to work effectively, competition is essential. Even if big companies did not engage in anti-competitive practices, simple economy of scale makes competition against them difficult. And, of course, they *do* engage in anti-competitive practices, ranging from buying the competition to buying government officials.

    Limit the size of companies, and you have eliminated many, many problems. More: a limitation like this is simple to implement - base it on revenue - which prevents years-long court proceedings.

    • Your approach sounds good until you start to look at the complexity:

      A small company invents a new drug. Getting it through phase 3 trials is horrendously expensive. It is necessary to allow SOME purchases of new products - not least because if you don't the big boy will reinvent it a slightly different way and deprive the inventor of their due reward.

      A medium sized company in a certain sector gets into terminal trouble. If it sells to a larger brother, the jobs and communities are not destroyed. But if it c

      • by MobyDisk ( 75490 )

        Yes Bradley13's proposal would indeed make some things harder - I suspect bradley13 is willing to trade that off, in exchange for making things fairer. Companies would have to work together more. Less vertical integration. Maybe one company would develop a drug, but couldn't possibly be big enough to do the clinical trial too. So another company would manage that. Then maybe they would sell IP now that the trial passed. Some companies kinda work that way anyhow today. It would be less efficient, but

    • That is just a completely silly approach. It doesn't take into account any market impact or the complexity differences between industries.

      It reminds me of a joke about primary school children. An adult can't easily answer the question, a child can:
      Q: How do you get an elephant into a refrigerator?
      A: Open the door and put the elephant in and close it.

      Yeah obvious really looking back at it but makes a lot of assumptions about both the elephant and the fridge and ignores a lot of practicalities.

      There is virtua

    • Just don't allow corporations to own other corporations, ever.

    • Re:KISS (Score:4, Insightful)

      by sinij ( 911942 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:07PM (#63718628)
      You are oversimplifying. To point obvious flaws in your plan - what going to happen when US-bound size-limited companies compete internationally where not only companies not limited by size, but where they are not limited from being part of the government? For example, Apple can compete with entire China in its market space solely because of its size. Similar, but smaller company, Texas Instruments are getting pummeled by China in similar circumstances.
    • Capitalism is the best economic system that humans have ever developed. However, to work effectively, competition is essential.

      The tendency of organizations and companies to accrue power is a natural part of human societies, and capitalism. The ability of companies to amass and pay politicians and capture regulatory agencies ("regulatory capture") is a natural manifestation of that tendency. What's missing is there has been little pushback against that tactic.

      My concern is that people do not give up power

  • No one has called it the Pocahontas-Lady Lindsey bill yet.
  • by brunes69 ( 86786 ) <[slashdot] [at] [keirstead.org]> on Thursday July 27, 2023 @09:00AM (#63717912)

    The problem I have with these kinds of rules is no one wants to come up with an objective definition for what "big tech" means.

    Is it based on revenue? Earnings? Subscribers?

    Does a startup with 10 employees that has 100M downloads on its app but $0 in revenue count? If not, why not?

    Does a tech company that has hundreds of millions in revenue, but is purely B2B and has no direct-to-consumer services count? If not, why not?

    Is Reddit big tech? It is a small company but has a huge outsize impact on online discourse. Should it be regulated in the same way as Meta? If so, what is the threshold that has been reached to allow it to be regulated?

    It is really easy to say "we need to regulate big tech!" but I have yet to see anyone actually define what they are even talking about. Outside of FAANG, no one seems to be able to define it (and I will point out the fact that FAANG does not even include giants like Microsoft or Twitter shows how ridiculous the acronym is). What is worse is that tech moves so fast that a company could fit the criteria one week, then fail to fit it the next, then fit it again one week later.

    • by MobyDisk ( 75490 )

      Isn't it just political shorthand for "monopoly that happens to be in the tech sector." It's not the tech part that is important, it is the monopoly part.

      Related: Is making a web site "tech" at this point? I suppose at some point in history, being able to make a wheel was "technology" but we would no longer consider it as such. Web sites are hardly "tech" any more either. Is making a social media system? Back in Y2K, there were hundreds of them, why is a bulletin board now "tech" ?

      • None of the FAANGMT companies are close to monopolies, at least not in the traditional sense of the word. They all have reams of competition, most notably from each other.

  • Google and to a lesser extent Amazon keep the competition for Apple somewhat alive, crippling them because they are unpopular while leaving popular Apple alone will just speed up the destruction of competition in consumer electronics, services and supply chain.

  • The US is actually the last of the major global players to push back on Big Tech. Europe has aggressively deployed a wide range of consumer protections to try and reign in excesses. China has gone a step further, breaking one of its largest tech firms and publicly stripping down its CEO. Tech has peaked, and the US hammer is the last one to drop - when and how will determine whether Big Tech gets a soft landing or will fundamentally have to restructure for a new environment.
  • "Congress is too slow, it lacks the tech expertise" ... well said, and nice of them to admit it. Maybe if they addressed that first, then tried legislating from a position of actual expertise they'd get productive results, rather than frantic hand-waving, hyperbole, and assumptions about how it all works or ought to work.

  • by sinij ( 911942 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @09:22AM (#63717978)
    While I fully agree that the Big Tech needs to be prevented from continuing the anti-competitive and anti-consumer practices, this bill is all but guaranteed to be another attempt to implement the censorship regime.

    You can directly see dog-whistles to the base in there, "to prevent online harm" is euphemism for censorship, it is the next round of Disinformation Governance Board/Nina Jankowicz. Only very recently, online harm was considered discussing Hunter Biden laptop [theguardian.com] containing evidence of criminal activity, skepticism of Steele dossier [cnn.com], over-counting of COVID deaths [nytimes.com], Wuhan and EcoHealth Alliance [nypost.com], etc.
  • We just learned about the s.230 threats they used to coerce fascist censorship so now they have to come out of the shadows and attempt it in public.

    Which is definitely better.

    Not having these Boomers in Congress would be better still.

  • The 2024 Election Cycle is coming soon. Please consider an increase to your company's "campaign contributions."

    For your consideration; a sufficiently large increase will allow you to have a seat at our Overview and Regulatory table.

  • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @09:39AM (#63718044) Journal

    I'm fundamentally libertarian, and ascribe to the notion that government can't bear to leave anything unregulated...but even I see that this is a major enough element of our civilization now that it well requires SOME sort of 'commons-management' oversight informed by democratically elected representatives tasked specifically with that purpose, or their assigns.

    Theoretically, anyway..

    In reality, I'm pretty confident that this will end up
    - deeply politicized, not bipartisan at all
    - populated by a gerontocracy of enfeebled lawmakers who have their aides print out their emails every morning and are only now starting to get comfortable not saying "please" when they ask a question of The Google.
    - will act with the speed of the Federal Government, that is, by the time (any issue) gets through the laborious process of hearings and speechifying and regulation making, commenting, passage, and law creation...it will be a decade or more past the point where a cure would have mattered, and likely well past the point that whatever tech they're regulating has probably obsolesced into irrelevance ANYWAY
    - the main benefit will be allowing these Big Tech firms a clear picture of whom they have to bribe

  • and break up market capture of newspapers and televisions. It's killed far too many local newspapers and degraded quality of journalism through directed viewpoints from management.
  • lovely (Score:3, Interesting)

    by roman_mir ( 125474 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @09:52AM (#63718084) Homepage Journal

    Government is never big enough, must make it bigger. Of-course to make a government bigger, you have to take away from the private sector, be it in form of higher taxes, more taxes, reduced competition in the private sector due to new licensing / regulatory environment, more people displaced from real jobs into government make shift work that has to be paid for by people who actually build real things in real life. That's OK, that train has left long ago, what is left for those of us to do, who see it as abomination (all government involvement into private lives, business, taxing income, regulating, licensing)? We have to adapt to the changing environment and learn how to take advantage of such systems, building businesses to help people to navigate around the rules, making money on the stupidity of the masses who basically vote for politicians who enact such ideas into reality. I mean it is always possible to learn to live in the changing environment, the outcomes are worse, the quality of life will be worse, the government will cause higher inflation, the money will be worth less, so this much is obvious. So people who understand this have to act accordingly, because this provides with valuable future information that can be used to make a buck where it couldn't be made previously.

  • That's the real news here. That so many on this board think it's quite grand that the Government should have free rein to define what "harm" on the whims of the mob. They all want anti-vaxers silenced but have no problem letting the misinformation of anti-GMO nonsense prevail. Jail the Climate Deniers because they are going to flood NYC because of their Denialism. Government can not be allowed to prevent speech because someone else thinks it's harmful. Right Christians and Left Feminists all think children

    • by sinij ( 911942 )
      I disagree that /. is in favor, just certain individuals with unlimited mod points that under normal circumstances would have gotten disqualified by metamod system.
      • by sfcat ( 872532 )
        You are right about /. There are about 10 heavy posters left and you can see them on pretty much any article. Most people only post about topics they have some knowledge of or expertise in. That's kinda hard to do when you post on just about every article. There also seems to be a pretty heavy inverse correlation between amount of posts and the quality of the posts. Basically, the more you post, the worse on average your posts are. We all know who I am talking about, /. would be far better without the
  • by CrappySnackPlane ( 7852536 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @10:11AM (#63718118)

    Certain digital platforms have promoted the sexual abuse and exploitation of children, suicidal ideation and eating disorders or done precious little to combat these evils

    ...until I got to this part.

    Look, I think the doomers and whatever the "pro-ana" starvation dipshits have rebranded to are dumb as hell and deserve plenty of scorn, but this is not a problem that's solved by big tech telling us what communities are and aren't appropriate. Pro-ana today, COVID lab leak theories next week, questioning the "Russia single-handedly elected Trump" narrative or providing support to transgender teens next month, depending on which party happens to be in power at the time. No thanks.

  • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @10:45AM (#63718158)

    Elizabeth Warren was always against big Tech.
    Lindsey Graham is only against big Tech because it's a current popular talking point to be against and he'll change his position in a heartbeat if he thinks it'll net him even a single vote as he believes "integrity" is something to do with calculus.

  • "Families would have the right to protect their children from sexual exploitation, cyberbullying and deadly drugs. Certain digital platforms have promoted the sexual abuse and exploitation of children, suicidal ideation and eating disorders or done precious little to combat these evils; our bill would require Big Tech to mitigate such harms and allow families to seek redress if they do not."

    LEA should have the role of enforcing the law not corporations. The legal system should decide what is legally permis

  • by aldousd666 ( 640240 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @12:22PM (#63718420) Journal
    They literally claim they need to take Big Tech to task on Free Speech? Ask Warren and Graham separately what each thinks that means, and I bet neither of them agrees with my definition of it.
    • Ask Graham today and again tomorrow. I don't think he will agree with himself on his own definition of it.

  • by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve ( 949321 ) on Thursday July 27, 2023 @12:52PM (#63718534)
    I'm not even going to read what it's about. If those 2 nitwit Senators are both for it, it can't possibly be a good idea. I'm against it, whatever it is.

    For foreigners who don't know ...
    Graham has spent a significant amount of time both kissing Trump's butt and being angry at him because Trump is stupid and dangerous. But most recently he's been kissing Trump's butt.
    Warren is so hard left she's insane. She also thinks that because she is like 1/32 or 1/64 Native American that this makes her a full blooded Native American. She's a fan of big giveaways with no way to pay for them and strict regulation on businesses, the kind of regulation that might keep them from actually doing business.
    • I'm not even going to read what it's about.

      Ladies and gentlemen I present to you modern American politics.

  • When a bi-partisan clown act like Warren-Grahm proposes something like this, the proper bi-partisan response from middle class America should be suspicion and then obvious questions.

    The FIRST question that must be asked is "Cui bono?" (Who benefits?) If these two supposedly oppositional characters are for it, then we all need to look to see what "campaign contributors" are in common between them.

    The second question to be asked is "Why a NEW government entity, what are all the others doing?" There are curren

  • Common Sense and Government are not compatible! What is the aim of this new body that going to protect everything, everyone, digital liberty, security, privacy, but give total and absolute fascist reach to the government?

    Before we worry about breaking up "big tech", let's focus on building up privacy first tech. Not privacy first share with the big daddy tech, I mean policies, standards, and laws which give total, and complete security to users on all platforms. If anyone can read messages, post, or ac
  • The want to blame big tech, when it's really big "news" media that is spreading all this harm. Big tech merely shares the garbage that the increasingly sold out and partisan news media is vomiting out.

    But yeah.. let's blame "algorithms".

  • Just read that first paragraph carefully and also note that the Consumer Product Safety Commission answers to nobody (except Warren) especially the people and certainly not Congress.
    See, hard core leftists like Warren see the world in simple terms. They assume that they are A) always correct, B) smarter and generally better than everyone else, and C) everything that stands in their way needs to be ignored, cancelled, or destroyed because of A and B. How the CPSC hasn't been determined to be unconstitution

    • Warren types:
      A) ARE usually correct and when in error, they correct themselves promptly. This is why conservatives are more gullible (in studies too.) This is ALSO why life-long Republican Warren became a democrat after becoming enlightened.

      B) Are actually smarter and better than most everybody else; have you seen what average is? Reference: George Carlin.

      C) Not at all, they can dismiss idiocy but often will voluntarily dismantle counter arguments and make a real effort to debate - they don't NEED to reso

      • by sfcat ( 872532 )
        There are no Warren types and Warren was never a Republican. There are two E. Warrens. The one before she became a Senator that rational people liked and there is the one now who is a typical politician with only a passing relationship with the truth. Now, if by Warren type you mean people that act like she did before she ran for office, sure. The problem is as soon as a "Warren type" gets any sort of power (most people really), they become like E. Warren is now which is someone who is coasting on past
  • Families would have the right to protect their children from sexual exploitation, cyberbullying and deadly drugs.

    Parent's already have those rights although many choose not to exercise them. Parents can use the word "no". Parents can monitor their children's usage of the internet. Parents can ground their children when they fail to follow the rules. We already have laws about "deadly drugs" and responsible parents place their own restrictions on their children's use of "deadly drugs".

  • I'm sure we could stand some European-style privacy protection laws. That doesn't seem to be the plan for this bill, which takes a sharp turn off into wild "save the children" nonsense.

    Families would have the right to protect their children from sexual exploitation, cyberbullying and deadly drugs.

    I'm pretty sure that families already have those rights and, I'm not sure what "deadly drugs" have to do with this. Do the alleged lawmakers believe that children are snorting fentanyl off TikTok?

    • by sfcat ( 872532 )
      Right, because popups about cookies totally protects us online. The GDPR is just more proof that politicians just don't know enough to regulate this stuff. Why you think those popups do anything is beyond me. Also, how you don't know that you could already control the cookies in your browser doesn't say much for your geek cred. Perhaps this isn't he place for you.
  • I'm super-ultra-extreme MAGA. I wear my MAGA hat backwards while I do deadlifts at the gym, I have 14 children, I watch NASCAR, I think guns are fun to own, and I don't drink Bud Light.

    But holy crap are the republicans wrong on this whole "allow the mergers to happen; it's a good thing" mentality.

    Big Tech needs to be broken up into a billion small companies all competing and open-sourcing their stuff and making it interoperable. Big Pharma shouldn't exist. Big Food shouldn't exist. Farmers should be able to

  • I'm old enough to remember the days of the Bell Telephone monopoly on communications. Unregulated communications providers can become a nightmare in multiple ways. Additionally, government use of them to force propaganda on the public is intolerable. We need a non-partisan, and publically open (to prevent corruption and crime), entity to be the sheriff. Some providers are big enough to be considered a monopoly, and mere capitalist consumers alone are not enough to bring them to heel. It will take a highe
  • How big tech thinks?
    https://twitter.com/QCompoundi... [twitter.com]

    "If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it" -Ronald Reagan (b. 1911)
    https://twitter.com/0x101/stat... [twitter.com]

Crazee Edeee, his prices are INSANE!!!

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